Why don't modern wars end?

>>33396913
Ancient wars never seemed to end either. They also didn't have digital cameras or the accesses to globally viewable uploads.

>>33396913
Because total war is """""inhumane""""" and killing civilians/women/children is wrong

Because of unclear objectives.

>>33396946

WWI and WWII seemed to have pretty definite ends

>>33396947
>We should kill all humans to end all war

>>33396974
>We should kill all muslims to end all war
ftfy

>>33396974
it would work tho

>>33396947
War sucks and I can't wait to see all these stupid laws of war go out the gutter once a real war starts.

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>>33396974

Yes

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Can't be a war if you don't call it one.

>>33397123
It's only war if we win..anything else it's a conflict

>>33397123

If you buy the farm, you're paying mortgage whether you bought it in a "War" or a "Policing Action"

Just because we don't call it a war doesn't mean it isn't one

>>33396913
Define "modern"

>>33397145

Wars currently ongoing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

>>33396974
Why stop at humans?

>>33396913
Any war post-1945 that doesn't involve nukes is basically just extreme LARPing.

The goal isn't to end the war. The goal is to have an ongoing war.

>>33396973
>ancient wars
>ww1 and ww2

Kill yourself

>>33397229

Everything before 1996 is ancient history, fag

>>33396974
Ultron plz go.

because low-risk conflicts are the best way to test military technology and keep the defense industry running.

>>33396913
its not a war

its a police action

only congress can declare war and they havent done that since the 1940s

Most ancient wars ended in genocide, demographic change, and general rape and pillage. That's how you end real wars. If you make that "illegal" then wars won't end.

>>33396913
>Why don't modern wars end?

Conditions for victory changing during the war.

Afghanistan for example: We need to destroy AQ
Change: we need to keep A-stan safe from all terrorists

>>33397162
They're pretty much all insurgencies and civil wars. Those tend to be much more complicated and fluid than bigger set-piece wars. Insurgencies are far from modern however. They've been around forever, and they've always been just as messy. It's much easier to defeat an army than an idea.

>>33396913

They're fought by subhumans incapable of achieving decisive victories because they lack the discipline, skill and fighting prowess.

>>33397236
Ok.

>>33397256
>>33397263
I would also argue that it is an inability, or unwillingness to use the amount of force required for one side of a conflict to completely subdue the other (or in many cases, all of the others.)

>>33397134

and if we lose its forgotten history

if the bad guys win it will literally be hell on earth for infidels

fuck that shit to hell those gdamn religious nutters are the worst offenders

>>33397236
>t. Guy born in 1996

>>33396913
>Why don't modern wars end?

Because the mainstream media conspires to sap the will of the public.

To win a war, you must DEFEAT the enemy. Destroy utterly and completely their will to oppose you, until they are either all dead, or the survivors are completely prostrate.

The enemy today is not the indigenous fighters. Those guys are just useful, angry idiots, who think a Kalashnikov will let them win against the industrial might of the West.

The enemy is the left-wing propaganda machine that will churn out endless hysterical bullshit about 'grim milestones' and 'dead civilians' and 'wounded warriors'. Mostly for internal political gain.

Until we gut the media, we will never know victory again.

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>>33397236

>>33396913
There's too much money to be made by contractors and suppliers.

Because Mission Creep.

And Jews.

>>33397291
guns is just as good as butter

>>33396913
Because savages like in the Middle East continue to fight each other.

Because the US government would become irrelevant without war. Furthermore, they crave it.

>>33397229
He never said those were ancient wars fag.

>>33396974
Cobalt bomb confirmed for world peace.

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>>33396913
They already did in the west.

>>33396913

Because neither side is powerful enough to totally wipe the other. And, for now, the west is dormant and dealing with internal problems.

>>33397084
I pray for the bombs every night.

>>33396973
>WWI and WWII seemed to have pretty definite ends
WWII was the continuation of WWI because WWI ended badly. You could argue that the Marshall Plan was a fairly successful attempt to avoid the problem of WWI's 'end'.

Anyway, wars don't rarely end.

OP talks about modern wars as if they're the only ones that keep bubbling up in insurgencies and shit but look at Rome, they fought Carthage repeatedly for centuries until they exterminated 80% of them by siding with the other 20%.

>>33397162
>Wars currently ongoing
>Why don't wars currently ongoing end?
Because if they did, they wouldn't be ongoing and you wouldn't count them.

>>33397253
>because low-risk conflicts are the best way to test military technology and keep the defense industry running
A little bit of this.

>>33397280
>They're fought by subhumans incapable of achieving decisive victories because they lack the discipline, skill and fighting prowess.
Yeah but what about the enemy?

Wars between major powers have ended, the wars that exist are all between a major power and a minor power trying to fight guerilla style because it's their only chance or between two or more minor powers.

Ending war between the brits and USA meant that Canada and USA grew markedly. The EU is the outgrowth of ending war in Europe and that's done wonders for Europe. Making sure that your wars are only with poor undeveloped nations is clearly terribly good for your economy and quality of living but you have to be big and rich first.

You can't "win" a war where the only victory condition is "wait for the other guy to stop fighting, first."

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>>33396913
Because no-one is willing to do what it takes to actually end them. That or they hinder those who are actually willing to to the point of it not even being worth it. Seriously, you want to know fast all these middle eastern fucks would have a sudden change of attitude if we glassed a city or two ISIS, civilian, and all?

>>33396913
because we try to hard to be "the nice guy" and don't take care of the problem

>>33396913
because modern wars will last as long as there are countries willing to pour food, ammo & bodies into it, which means they can last pretty much for ever.

>>33396913
This >>33396971. With earlier wars of the gunpower era, the goals were simple, conquest of other's land, people, or resources, or defense of your own. WWI was an international pissing contest, and WWII was the beginning of the ideological war; however the ideologies fought over there were so clear-cut good and evil that any means were deemed necessary to win. Then came Korea, and Vietnam, where the line between soldier and civilian became blurry, and America was really just sticking its nose in other people's business. Nowadays, wars are mostly about quashing harmful ideologies that spread like weeds, unseen until they're already a problem.

>>33396913
Because they are not open wars in traditional sense,they are either proxy wars or called insurgent conflicts.
When things calm down in those regions you will see a lot of new organized crime on another scale.

>>33396913
Modern ethics. Only an edge lord will claim that they're a bad thing, but only a delusional man won't admit their additional negative consequences.

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>>33396974
Now you're getting it.

Geneva convention makes it hard to win, enemy knows we won't do anything too bad to them to risk pissing everyone off, basically PC shitbags ruin everything as usual.
What we need to do is build walls out of their fucking corpses at borders to let them know we aren't fucking about.
But we can't do that, because we are fucking about, and they are not.
I hate Geneva convention, even if the enemy breaks it, we still aren't allowed to, it's bullshit, let me trebuchet raghead corpses into raghead village we see how many kids want to join their rapist father/uncles shitty cult army.

>>33399777
NICE fucking get anon

Also, letting women have the right to participate in general society was an objective mistake

Men should never have let learn to read let alone influence the rules of combat.

I for one pray that the Islamic blowback cripples the West and turns humanity back to a state of normality.

Where the weak fear the strong.

If any of the global superpowers decided they wanted to end these wars they could, but doing so would imperil the entire human race.

Strong actors have to "play down" to their opposition.

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>>33399782
I believe in a strict "fuck you and everything you stand for" stance when it comes to fighting an enemy like the Muslims who want to subvert your entire society. Excessive violence works. It always works. My parents broke up when I was early teens, father was not around to slap little brothers like he did me, my little brothers have grown up lazy and spoiled. One of them threw a tantrum while I was watching him so my mother could do something. I belted that little shit upside the head, grabbed his arm and threw him in his room, he cried that I heard him, I tell him "tough shit, you tried to hit me, you get violent you get hit, you're lucky I am your brother and not some crackhead with a knife you stupid brat"
Mother was not happy but little brother doesn't act up in my presence anymore, violence always work.

>>33399797
>he cried that I hurt him*
fuck I typed too fast and didn't check

>>33399777
>I hate Geneva convention, even if the enemy breaks it, we still aren't allowed to, it's bullshit, let me trebuchet raghead corpses into raghead village we see how many kids want to join their rapist father/uncles shitty cult army.
Probably a bunch more. "Lets fight the guy who keeps launching heads at us with a catapult" is a pretty good recruiting slogan, shit I'd join.

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>>33399799
Shit you have a point.
Fuck it salt the earth, nothing of value in the Middle East but oil anyway.

>>33399777
Nice GET. My thing with Geneva is that it and Hague should only apply in wars between civilized nations, who have BOTH signed the appropriate treaties or at least are obeying the spirit of the damned things, and should stop applying when you are dealing with someone who very clearly doesn't care for them. I still don't think it's okay for soldiers to go running around killing civilians or stealing their shit, and bio/chem weapons should be off the table because they'll kill people who seriously dindu nuffin. Civilians should spend as little time sucked into the bullshit of war as possible. But as for things like the ban on flamethrowers, the ban on executing prisoners of war, I'd like to point out that these assholes are using flamethrowers to kill prisoners of war and drowning people in steel cages. They're subhuman trash and we should not be obligated to wage war with them as if they were civilized men, because they are a dangerous pest that requires extermination.

>>33399782
>>33399797
Jesus christ the edge in here

>>33399806
Exactly, I'm not saying go around killing civilians, has no point, and they might be okay. Plus they don't really deserve it.
But stop forcing us to play nice, it's a war.
If we need to know where the rest of them are let us torture the religious nut jobs so we know. Maybe it not work but fuck sake just try.
>>33399810
>muh violence is edge
>we can't hurt them they're humans too
idi nahui sobaka

>>33399822
Violence for the sake of violence is edge you NEET.

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>>33399810

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>>33399833
It's not for the sake of violence, where did I say it was violence for the sake of violence?
Point it out to me you literal sobaka

>>33399838
Your talking about throwing heads with trebuchets and stacking walls of corpses. This is violence for the sake of violence when modern weapons are available you slavabo NEET.

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>>33399860
I didn't say heads I said the whole body.
Both of these have purpose, very valid purpose that is not just for sake of violence.
It's intimidation. You think Amir wants to clime over the corpses of his dead friends to get to you? You break the enemies spirit and willingness to fight, you make them lose their faith in their false god, you defeat them.
Simple shit cyka

>>33396913
Because no one finishes wars anymore.

They start them, then set the cruise control for ±10 years to give their industrial base time to make money.

>>33399865
Do you think this is a workable strategy? Would this corpse wall include a seawall? How deep? I think you are going to run out of corpses.
>I don't care what any of the slavic things you have said to me mean

>>33399885
You make a good point, perhaps only most of the wall is corpses.
You don't need to know what it means, just that it's an insulting swear, which given that it's slavic is basically implied.

>>33399907
Why not just glass the who region? It seems like a lot less work.

>>33396913
modern war no longer exists because nukes are in the hands of people powerful enough to prevent real war on a global level

whatever we've been doing since the 50s has been proxy wars with Russia, Cleaning up the militant 3rd worlders with no wars to fight that resulted from these proxy wars, or attempting to wage war on Ideologies and beliefs

Killing radical islam today is infinitely harder than killing communism
-it's politically incorrect and theres too many very loud opinionated people who will tell you about it
-nobody has the balls or power to straight up say "we need to remove this ethnic group from the face of the planet and ruin their home land past the point of ever being host to this ethnic group again"

we can't just wage a massive propagand war against an ethnic group or religion like we could have gotten away with after ww2. we're all pussies now. "war" as done by any major country today is just some kind of patronizing attempt at liberating and fixing ruined 3rd world countries, but mainly securing financial interests threatened by said conflict

>>33399915
That was the next thing I said >>33399803 when someone pointed out the same thing.

>>33396913
They have. When was the last time a country officially declared war on another?
Now we have conflicts and interventions.

>>33396913
No one wants to win them.

one side doesn't want collateral damage
the other doesn't have the resources to beat the first.

>>33396913
>Why don't modern wars end?

Because modern wars have tons of actors and factions, and everyone is trying to play puppet master. The complexity of modern conflicts is astounding and difficult to grasp.

When you have a dozen decision-makers, each one with different victory conditions, it becomes very difficult to build up enough military and politital power and support and sweep the opposition.

>>33396974
Stalin pls/

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>>33399822
I too am a disciple

>>33398561
T. Leaf.

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>>33396913
>Modern

The Roman temple dedicated to the god of beginnings and endings, Janus, would be opened during times of war and closed when Romans where at peace. When Livy wrote Ad Urbe Condita Libri sometime just before the birth of Christ, the doors to the temple of Janus had been closed only twice since it's construction by King Numa during his reign seven hundred years prior.

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>>33396913
There will always be a wrong to your right and there will always be a war somewhere to fight.

>>33396913
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

>>33396913
Why don't you end?

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>>33396913
Because Americans forgot about Constitution and gave power to start wars to single person instead of people. With no oversight they start more and more wars they can't win but can profit from.

>>33396913
They're not meant to be won. They're meant to make money. As long as there is money to be made from fighting a war, it won't end. There's more to it than that, but many other posts combined have the gist of it.
>>33399683
>however the ideologies fought over there were so clear-cut good and evil that any means were deemed necessary to win
And that's why America and Britain fought alongside communists, right? Because communism was the clear-cut good.
I hate how /k/ looks at the politics of war when it's convenient and ignores it when it's not. War is a direct result of politics, there is no such thing as an apolitical war, yet /k/ always sticks its head in the ground about it and calls anybody with their head above the ground a faggot.
>>33400883
You feel it too, don't you?

>>33397007
It would end A war.
ask /pol/ who to exterminate to end ALL war

>>33396913
Because we thrive off the business war brings.

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reminder that he was literally 100% correct

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>>33396946
This. Shia v suni has almost completely wiped out the arab races. superior jew tribe a vs superior jew tribe b is still happening today (american socialist ww1 era immigrant jew) v russian Bolshevik jew and Israeli jew

>>33396913
War never ends. War never changes, it's a constant struggle between factions, no good guys or bad guys. There is always something going on some part of the tiny planet.

>>33396947
If it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how?

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This will tell you why.

Because back in the old days they would slaughter people then colonize the land

Whites nowadays are disappearing, so we can't do any colonization. Also politicians design the wars to be impossible to win.

>>33403415
The desire to kill is natural. The skill to kill effectively takes some learning.

>>33399683
>however the ideologies fought over there were so clear-cut good and evil that any means were deemed necessary to win.

My fucking God how can someone be this ignorant and stupid

>>33398535
The purpose of the EU is to destroy europe, to destroy european ethnicities, to destroy european sovereignty, and to form a United States of Europe
As well as to promote a mixed race brown majority underclass.

>>33403415
im positive youre retarded for typing this.