How many ships and submarines does the US Navy actually need?

>>33395494
like a lot, you know lol

>need
SHALL

>>33395494
ALL OF THEM

>>33395494
Need for what? Four nuclear subs are enough for deterrence. But for force projection you need quite a bit more.

>>33395494
The correct answer is: More than everybody else in the world

>>33395565
bong detected. lol fuck off faggot.

>>33395579
put together, twice.

>>33395616
>>33395600
>>33395579
>>33395548
>>33395541
FOR SPACIOUS SKIES

zero

>>33395494
Enough.
And once you think you have enough, build more.

>>33395494
If you can't walk from California to China across the backs of surfaced subs, we don't have enough.

>>33395494
1
The Enterprise.

>>33395827

t. military industrial complex

>>33395494
As many as the Russian and Chinese navies combined, the second and third largest, whilst having a technological edge in every field. So that's something like 400 combat vessels and ~1,000 aircraft.

Hunters Point should be reopened, but as a drone deployment facility. I want to see liberals cry crocodile tears as silly cone valley lines up to get fat government contracts.

>>33395494
none, in the coming wars we will exclusively use drones with bombs and missels, and exploding robotic dogs will parachute down into enemy lands. Future wars last a week tops.

>>33395494

more

>>33395494
500

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
>tfw all the best ships in the world cant stop littles warms of random boats
>tfw to win the "good guys" had to make the bad guys play by their rules

"Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel."

>>33395616
>twice
Try 10 times.

And ocean colonies so we can expand American clay to everyone else's shore.

>>33396670
>by their rules
the laws of physics are everybody's rules anon.

>>33395494

Same as civilians assault weapons with high capacity clips

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>>33396778
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

the war game had turned from an honest, open, free playtest of U.S. war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming U.S. victory,[3] alleging that "$250 million was wasted"

>>33396880
Didn't both sides turn it into a joke?

>>33396044
>military industrial university complex
ftfy.

>need
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>33396670

Fancy ass missiles. What weapon system was the based off? One that deploys ECM and ECCM as while as doing autonomous terminal guidance.

>>33396133
sounds like a venture bros. episode

>>33395494
more than all the other countries.

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>>33396031
Only if it's Kirk or Picard's Enterprise.

>>33395494
Enough that an enemy submarine fleet can't impede travel and deployment of carrier groups.

Anyone that doesn't have the US navy opposes it with subs because they're easier to build than carriers+5gen fighters and they work.

So the US navy's main selection pressure is to be able to survive or defeat sub fleets.

>>33396670
>>33396880

If you think this says anything about the defensive capabilities of the USN you are fucking stupid.

I know you don't actually want to think critically, especially when your biases are being filled, but you should. If you did you might find the following:

The USN was not allowed to use their defensive systems. This was due to the JSAF software used to resolve simulated combat being unable to model neutral targets. JSAF was having the USNs defensive systems fire on the neutral targets, thinking they were threats.

The USN was not allowed to deploy their ships in a manner consistent with how they would have in reality. Due to the JSAF system and the limits on where the ships could deploy in the real world, the Navy found itself deployed in a manner that was not realistic.

Moreover, the entire exercise was designed to test different command and control concepts. It was not designed to test combat system effectiveness, or tactics. As part of the test, you want to see how the system reacts under specific parts of a typical operation. If you had no scripted events, then the situations might not even arise, then you will be unable to test the C2 concepts in that circumstance.

Likewise, if you sink everything on day one, and don't refloat it, then you lose all the data you could gather on subsequent days.


People who think MC2002 shows some great weakness in the US military are fucking retarded children.

>>33396089
>russia and china can field about 60 total naval aircraft
>over half their navies either are rusted over relics of the pre-cold war or would better be classified as coast guard cutters

>>33396670
If you can launch cruise missiles from motorcycles and skiffs.

>>33398203
Picard is only slightly more compromised by being enmeshed with the borg than trump is with the russians, so fair comparison.