How does Best Korea even have military R&D? I get that China

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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Tractor Corps, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on worst Korea, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.

>>33388482
pls no bully

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>>33388482
>not 300 confirmed tills

genuinely curious as well, I think they're government just press like everything into military i guess

>every documentary I've seen about Best Korea has the populace basically living in abject poverty and a state of education akin to dark age peasants
Maybe you shouldn't believe western propaganda quite so readily. They've recovered from the famine in the 90s that came along with the end of Soviet oil gibs and are now fairly stable.

>So how do they have anything that works besides Chinese AKs?
The Nips industrialized the fuck out of them during the early 20th century which gave them engineers, skilled labor, management expertise etc. The industrial base was obliterated during the Korean War but they rebuilt it during the apex of commie achievement worldwide (60s-70s). They are determined to be self-reliant so they have maintained and expanded their technical skills. Best Korea is impressive in that regard, even with their allies gone, constant bickering and posturing from the ruling clans in the south and obsessive memeing by the West, they've managed to hold everyone off. Even Mattis isn't gonna step on that snake.

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>>33388463
>So how do they have anything that works besides Chinese AKs?

https://youtu.be/0Ix-JEu07MY
Their ballistic missile and nuclear programs seem to be coming on pretty well.

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The latest Arms Control Wonk podcast also highlighted some interesting shifts in how the DPRK is displaying their missiles; instead of simple flight tests, the recent launches have all been simulated attacks on military targets by the units that will actually be using them for real should war break out.

http://armscontrolwonk.libsyn.com/north-korean-missile-operations

>>33388463
they're a proxy funded by the american military industrial complex to be used as a way to justify ever increasing budgets

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Tfw Americans get outplayed by some brainwashed norks

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>>33389022
>they've managed to hold everyone off

Please be fucking reasonable, the country and it's economy and industry are absolute shit, sanctioned by the rest of the world to hell and back. Sure we don't get the whole picture but the country is shit and they haven't managed to hold anyone off.

The political ambition and will is not there to actually overthrow the system in place, there is a combined understanding of what the Chinks reaction would be and how the casualties in worst korea would be like (especially seoul). Aside from those two simple facts there is the atrocious state the country is in, it would take an absurd amount of money and time to rebuild the country to an acceptable standard, this not even including the gigantic cultural differences that have arisen over time.

>>33388463
They have an upper class of scientist and engineers obviously, even though there are sanctions in place these could make some significant advances with regards to some military technologies, But with regards to what the Chinks, Russians and Americans have done it’s a technological power gap of several decennia. What we are seeing is the result of a massive effort to create ballistic missiles to, aside from this the North Korean military effort is ancient as shit.

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>>33388463
They're poor, but they spend shitloads on the military.

Let's compare them to another small country with a lot of Domestic R&D, like Sweden.

Sweden spend 1% of their GDP on the military with a GDP of 500 Billion.

North Korea have a GDP of 25 billion, but spend 25%+ of it on the military.

A lot of the R&D isn't as hard as you think, the Soviet Union and America figured out nukes and ICBMs in the 40s and 50s.

>>33388463
We can laugh all we want about their small arms but their country is basically a huge underground bunker with enough food from china to sustain prolonged war.
having nuclear capacities and ICBMs is more firepower than most countries in the world.

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>>33389320
>ICBMs
They haven't shown that they have a functioning ICBM yet (unless you count ones that need to sit on a launch pad) but otherwise yes.

You don't need ICBMs when your Scuds and Nodongs can hit anything in South Korea or Japan with a nuclear warhead.

>>33389320
They prolly starve their people so they can stockpile food better

>>33389337
You do realize that all those satellite launches are excuse for long range rocket attacks right?
They are basically using the same strategies America used to advance their nuclear program.

>>33389346
The new leader grew up is Switzerland and is aware of the state of his people.
He doesn't want that and the country is already equipping hard for modern food manufacturing machines from China.
My parents always laugh at the world for having the perception toward evil communist country of NK since they lived through Yugoslavia and from the videos they have watched say its basically the same.
Just different way of life not necessarily bad.

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>>33389347
Yes, but until they can field a road mobile ICBM they don't have the capacity.

If they have to put their missile on a launch pad and fuel it the ROKAF/USAF will be able to destroy it long before it gets launched. It has zero survivability when compared to something like a scud.

>>33389369
>not necessarily bad

>>33389397
Like in any other country some people live better than others.
Ideology has little to do with it.

>>33389371
If only the people who tried to destroy that thing knew how close to death they were

>>33389371

Which is why odds are they'll do a first strike.

>>33389406
But most other countries don't build enormous cities filled with nothing and no people and markets that don't actually sell what they have on display

>>33389422
We really dont know that.
Our propaganda here is as strong as the one in NK.

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>>33389397
The starvation part probably isn't a plus.

When you hear stories about how 'when I was a kid growing up in (insert eastern bloc state here) my mother used to send me and my baby sister across the city to queue for food' your first impression is 'wow, they had to queue for food, how awful'. But when you look a little deeper you also have to appreciate how it was safe for little kids to travel across a city by themselves, which you can't do in the west anymore.

When old people signal nostalgia for the communist days, they aren't necessarily endorsing socialist economics, or breadlines or censorship and so on. When you look at things like Soviet music, you realise that despite all the efforts by the commies to destroy the organic culture of their nations, they were never quite as successful at it as global capitalism has been.

Nostalgia for communist times is just nostalgia for tradition, and it's worth taking seriously even if this post is just anecdotal.

>>33389416
Kim has to destroy a US buildup before it has a chance to attack. He either uses his nukes straight away or he loses them very fast. If I were a US soldier I'd want to get out of my staging ares in Japan and the ROK as fast as possible, as I'd feel more vulnerable there than on the road to Pyongyang.

>>33389449

I'm still not sure if I am going to pursue this TEFL certificate I was thinking about but I am damn sure if I do I won't be going to Korea because this shit is starting to seem increasingly likely. If there was a way to bet "Norks will use a nuke in 2017" I'd put down 100 on it.

It'll really be a question of if Kim thinks there will be an attack or not because if he thinks so the nukes will definitely fly. I'm thinking Seoul is more likely to get blasted than Tokyo or really Japan at all myself.

>>33389475

If I was NK and I had 5 nukes, I wouldn't waste one on Seoul. I'd nuke Incheon, Mokpo, Busan(3 major harbors), Daegu(Daegu AB), and Sejong (ROKA Central Logistics Complex)

Harbors are going to be the major targets because the US reinforcements will come through them. Seoul would be like 15th on my list because I'd nuke the airbases second, logistics complexes 3rd.

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>>33389579
The last missile test (not counting the one yesterday) was 4 Scud-ERs all aimed at MCAS Iwakuni - not that they'll be using 4 nukes for one airbase, maybe they'll launch a barrage of missiles with only one nuke, or maybe they only envisage a conventional strike on that target.

IIRC they had about 20 warheads in 2011.

FUCK THE NORKS

>>33389591

So lets say they have 30. Assume (reasonably + historical) that the warhead reliability is 0.6. That's around 2 per target, more if they count the PAC-3 / PAC-2 batteries on some of those targets. So the 12 targets on my list would be:

Harbors(5) - Mokpo, Busan, Gwangyang, Incheon, Kunsan

Airbases(10) - Daegu, Gwangju, Wonju, Seosan, Suwon.... maybe a few Japan-based US installations. Depends on what aircraft is based on said installations, and how well the Norks know them.

Others would include stuff like the Central Air Defense Coordination Center, the Alternate Air Defense Coordination Center (those two coordinate ROK anti-missile efforts), maybe Army HQ at Daejeon, possibly the HQs for each Field Army HQs, stuff like that.

>>33389449
> But when you look a little deeper you also have to appreciate how it was safe for little kids to travel across a city by themselves
Yeah, it's pretty hard for a pedophile to focus on raping kids when he's fucking starving to death.

>>33389022
That's odd considering that defectors still report that the country still hasn't recovered from the massive hit it took in the 90's.
>still fairly stable
If Un has to constantly whack motherfuckers to keep his gov't in line, then I wouldn't call that stability.
>Self Reliance
Also a meme for the most part, even at their best the Norks relied heavily on imports from the USSR/Chicoms to keep themselves in the good place. Without them it's been a nightmare trying to use what little arable land they have (North Korea is much more mountainous than the South) to try and feed themselves. They've only managed to come back to a shadow of what they used to be able to produce in terms of industrial capacity.
>>33388463
When you divert almost everything you have to your military and let your civilian population starve, you can still cobble together enough money to do some R&D/weapons procurement. A lot of their work revolves around rudimentary upgrades to old shit they have.

>>33389022
>muh Western propeghanda
Look dude, just because North Korea is a commie/natsoc holdout doesnt make it any less of a shithole.

>>33389817
Kek

>>33389369
>not necessarily bad
According to most defectors it is that fucking bad.

>>33389846
sure if they say so.

>>33389858
>>33389846
Trying to pass of the DPRK as not a shithole is disingenuous, they even managed to fuck up the environment with nothing to show for it. Life there is better than it was in the 1990s but it's far from ideal.

The point of >>33389449's post was to show that there is more to life than economic growth, not necessarily to defend the DPRK.

>>33388482
.... wait, the go to education centers to learn how to operate farm equipment?


Most farms just "buy and go" with their stuff, it's not exactly rocket science, they come with manuals that you can check if you are stumped on something.

>>33389858
Given that there has been a fuckload of them with a rather consistent message of "this place really fucking sucks" I'm rather inclined to believe them.

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>>33388463
I mean... I could do a ton of military R&D with my friends with enough money and resources.

North Korea's shitty but they likely have at least a few smart people who like to tinker and see what works.

Give my friends and myself enough facilities and money and we'll eventually crank out something cool.

A bunch of Danish amateurs managed to build a suborbital rocket. Same goes for a team of amateurs building a large, functional submarine. A guy has built a GPS-guided cruise missile in his garage.

Granted, the GPS guidance won't work for Norks but it's still interesting to note.

Never underestimate the abilities of small, motivated groups.

>>33389242
Poor Norks.. the south side caved in on them.

At least the north entrance to that hanger bunker is still open.

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>>33389908
The defectors arent just running for the bennies either.

Getting v& for sneezing the wrong way is another good reason to flee south.

>>33389022
Look at a satellite picture at nighttime and tell me how industrialized best Korea is.

>>33389954
>Not knowing that Kim-il Sung decreed that all lights are to be turned off between 9pm and 4am so that the population could see the Milky Way
>Best Korea views the Universe every night, while Americans just see the screens of their Galaxy Note 5.

>>33389954
Electricity is degenerate, anon.
Its a globlist trick.

>>33389983
>While traveling to Saturn and back in one day.

It truly is best Korea.

>>33389915

Yeah this is true. You don't even have to give me hundred-million dollar budgets. Just give me a few million and a team, plus some girls and I'll crank out new AFVs.

>>33389996
>Nobody can see them do it because the unicorn space shuttles are covered in those glow in the dark stars for the prefect camouflage.

>>33389983
>not realizing this is a scheme to save power and make sure everyone can see the super brightly lit centerpiece, forgot what it's called.

>>33390074
juche tower?

>>33389817

If the pedophile was police, that was a problem. IF he wasn't police, he HAD a problem. Communist states were rather peculiar.

I mean, half of the so-called "developed world" would kill for a guaranteed job, guaranteed retirement funds, cheap education and med services. Pity it's not a sustainable model. Lemme be honest, how many of us would exchange internet porn for a job and social security?

>>33390249
>Pity it's not a sustainable model.
Not that I'm a socialist or anything but I'm not sure what we have going on in the west right now is all that sustainable, environmentally or demographically.

>>33389022
Next thing you'll tell is how was your country's potato yield, and how you managed to feed your people even under Western blockade.

>>33390249
>how many of us would exchange internet porn for a job and social security?

Do you know where we are?

>>33390348
>sustainable

You mean fucking environment in the ass and aging population right?

>>33390348
Read your post wrong, sorry

>>33390699
I'll forgive you just this once.

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>>33388463
It's like you fuckers have never heard of AQ Khan

>>33389409
I'm surprised they seem to have managed to get a Maz stuck, or they just bailed out and left it there.
But yeah, a few thousand gallons of UDMH and IRFNA going up is quite impressive- plus it'll give everyone cancer.

>>33390812
A nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan can't come soon enough.

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>>33388463

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>>33391207
That comic made me want to defect to NK.

>>33391894
I kinda want the Nork OS, but I don't want my data beamed back to Pyongyang.

>>33392377
Is that any worse than having it beamed to the NSA / CIA / FBI??

Just don't do any online banking with it.

>>33392377
>he doesn't want the NorK intelligence services to be aware of the kind of porn white american piggu watches

>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39349726
kek

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>>33391207

>>33388463
> chinese R+D: look through US patents and make semi-functional copies
> NORK R+D: one chinaman comes over and tells a team of gook bureaucrats something
> NORK science people to be shot if it blows up
it does
> find new NORK scientists since the old ones were "so bad"

ad infinitum and ad nauseam

although, i've read that NORKS so craft the highest tier meth, so it's not all bad

>>33390692
I think he means all the niggers

>>33392597
A lot of Russian missile experts (all from the same design bureau) tried to fly to the DPRK in the '90s but were detained at the airport.

>>33389251
Robby Roode's theme song began playing in my head when I saw that.

>>33388585
>not realizing kim executes those who fail via tractor.

>>33389242
It's like a level from Ace Combat.

>>33389239
Would not be surprised

>>33390042
>plus some girls.

Yes. Post Nork hotties please.

>>33389369
Unfortunately this is not the first time I've heard someone who didn't have to grow up in a communist shit hole but has some kind of family tie to it defend that barbaric way of living.

>muh complete government control of every aspect of your life, what you're allowed to think, whether you're allowed to eat, whether you're sent to a gulag from a secret trial, whether your family will be executed as dissidents in the next wave of purges, brainwashes your children to rat on you and causes mass famines
>NOT THAT BAD, JUST DIFFERENT

kill yourself you intellectually bankrupt mental midget.

>>33399169
>implying anyone gave a shit what were the government regulations
>implying you now shit
>implying that treason,backstabbing and sending to labor camps wast all high political games to get rid of competitors
Lmao

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>>33388463
They got kickass mags.

>>33389409
>If only the people who tried to destroy that thing knew how close to death they were
Looks like they just sprayed the driving compartments with gunfire rather than trying to destroy it. The shooters must have had tight pants too. Probably why it stopped in the middle of a park.

The only other damage on the thing is the bumpers which probably went through a fence into the park or something.

>>33399402
do they work though?

>>33389449
> 'when I was a kid growing up in (insert eastern bloc state here) my mother used to send me and my baby sister across the city to queue for food'
Complete economic and political collapse of the early 90's is somehow supposed to be descriptive of the history of eastern block countries in general?
It's about as retarded as comparing the western and American situation to the Great Depression, because people then too had to queue up for food.

>>33399701
The soviets had a program for their development in the 1970s and later decided it wasn't worth it
Dunno if the nork ones improved since then.

>>33399169
Funny how people with no other experience than the propaganda and fearmongering of earlier generations thinks he has a balanced perspective on the eastern block.

>whether you're allowed to eat
What is this even supposed to imply? You can't be this dumb in the head.

>whether you're sent to a gulag from a secret trial, whether your family will be executed as dissidents in the next wave of purges,
Stalin, 1930's to 1953, these things literally didn't exist the way you describe them in post-stalin USSR.
Did you film or write a very anti-government piece? It'll be censored, or in the worst case you'll be exiled (to a western country).

>brainwashes your children to rat on you and causes mass famines
These things never actually happened, you'll be lucky if you find more than two examples.
Mass famines were a political tool in a period following a very bloody civil war, this again never happened post-ww2 unless you count in mao, which wasn't part of the eastern block.

>what you're allowed to think
You can think whatever you want, being vocal about it not so much. This is still a thing in western countries, try saying something good about Hitler or something bad about immigration, society and state will pounce on you. A hairdresser said she didn't like people coming in with hijabs, lost her license and thrown in jail for hate speech. Teacher made a remark about Islam on his personal time, media whiffed it up and blew it up, lost his job and faces charges.

>>33399859
+15

fucking olkas.

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>>33399859
>You can think whatever you want, being vocal about it not so much.
I read or listened to someone about this recently but I can't remember who or where. Mental gymnastic routine but it was interesting. They said societies with a "party line" were easier to live in and less stressful because you knew exactly what you were expected to do and say in public. Everyone agreed with each other and all real discussion was reserved for "11PM in the kitchen" or whatever. Societies without a party line or with multiple strains of thought are distressing because you have to navigate politics constantly and publicly. Wish I could remember who it was as they were more articulate even if the "totalitarian states are actually more free so we should start restricting speech" idea is kinda silly.