why the fuck does 22 short exist

>>33385354
Marketing.

>>33385354
for when you need a round that doesn't make your dick look small

>>33385354
It's better for Squirrel Hunting, and if you have a gun with a tube mag, it allows greater capacity for target shooting

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>>33385354
are you a target for assassins or a varmint?

then STFU

>>33385354

Manlets. It's because of their lil manlets hands.

>>33385354
22 short is completely silent out of my single shot. Just the click of the firing pin. I love that thing.

Buy a box. Shoot the shorts out of a longer barreled .22. pfft. More powerful than most air rifles, and quieter. Also try .22 CB Longs- I think the larger case makes them quieter.

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>>33385354
It's pretty fun. I love how silent it is. However, I've never compared it to "quiet" .22lr loads though.

I bought my Little Badger partially to have the option to shoot s, l, and lr.

>>33385396
This. I have a remington 550, and it's like 20 rounds of shorts.

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>>33385354
So you can shoot in your parlor because you are a classy gentleman...

>>33385354
Used to be used in bars. Instead of dart boards they'd have guns in .22 short.

>>33385354
.22 short was actually first in 1857. Long was 1871. Lr wasn't until 1887.

>>33385354
why not, fuck you

>>33385364
.22 short pre-dates .22 long rifle by ~30 years

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>>33385464
I can fit 16+1 in my Remington Model 12C. It's Fantastic

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>>33385620
To be honest I've never actually counted. I just drop 'em in until it's full.

Top is my 550.

>>33385396
Why not just use subsonic 22 LR?

>>33385354
Because of old guns that still use it.

>>33385703
>and if you have a gun with a tube mag, it allows greater capacity for target shooting

>>33385597

This. .22 Long / Long Rifle didn't come until post-WONA

What is the best, most accurate .22 pump that has been made?

I don't care how old the design is or how expensive an example would be.

>>33385354
it was invented first.

A wood box with 6" of duct seal in it will stop them very quietly as well. You can shoot in your back yard.

I was at a friends house a year ago and we sat out in his backyard in suburbia for hours shooting his Gamo air rifle. Say what you like about them, but that's a decent air rifle for a reasonable price.But loud compared to .22 shorts or CL longs out of a rifle.

>>33385354
I've rather enjoyed casual plinking and the SR is perfect for that. That said...don't use low velocity SRs in a pistol...they have a way of ricocheting and hitting you in return (experience).

I believe the .22 short was created first, actually. It was just called .22 until long came along and it had to be differentiated

>>33385554

Carnival games too, I shit you not, look it up.

Olympic 25m Rapid Fire Pistol. It's an Olympic sport, so it's totes bonifide.

>>33386833
It wasn't all that long ago. I can remember shooting .22s at carnivals and the county fair. They were chained to the counter, the sights were visibly tweaked, and they loaded through the butt. Some kind of weird tube mag arrangement. You got something like 10 shots for 25 cents.

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>22CB

J U S T

>>33385354
CB Shorts are awesome.

Also, op is a faggot.

>>33387134
hehe I've used rounds like that.

>>33387134
Can that shit even pierce skin?

There's no way that could kill a human.

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>>33387134
https://youtu.be/aTDocW5sIFg

>>33387675
In most cases, it's just primer. The bullet goes about 300fps. It could definitely kill, even BB guns kill people

>>33387727
Pretty sure the bb guns that can kill shoot a lot faster than 300fps.

>>33387753
go shoot yourself in the temple with 22cb and find out then

>>33387782
That would be extremely irresponsible. The back-pressure in the barrel could cause a squib.

Was .22 short designed to be shot at targets and mice or did they expect people to use it as a legitimate self defense cartridge? I guess it did offer better capacity and easier reloading in 1857 compared to most other guns

>>33385427
.22 CB Longs are great. Shot thousands of them as a kid on grandpa's farm. Only minus is they won't cycle a semi auto. Very quiet out of a long barrel rifle.

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>>33388040
It was made for the Smith and Wesson Model 1. Self defense.

>>33387727
.22 CB Short:
Velocity - 710 FPS
Source: Their fucking website

If you're going to be stupid, keep it to yourself.

>>33385354
when you're running a suppressed subsonic .22 set up. You're getting pretty much the same energy from a short compared to a long rifle with a lot of the powder taken out to make it subsonic.

>>33388299
>You're getting pretty much the same energy from a short compared to a long rifle with a lot of the powder taken out to make it subsonic.
Makes sense when you think about it...

For little revolvers

>>33387712
Why he has hearing protection? I have bb guns louder than that

>>33385401

That doesn't even make sense.

>>33385498
What the fuck is this rifle? Is it for complete fucking faggots?

>>33385703
Because that requires a longer heavier bullet and doesn't have a lower powder charge and shorter oal

>>33387675
It was never supposed to so why does it matter

>>33389115
iirc it's for those carnival games from 100 years ago where you shoot wooden ducks and shit

>>33389183

Essentially the reason why .22 short exists

/thread

>>33389115
t. tacticool kid

test

>>33387675
IIRC, that was the original shooting gallery round.

>>33385354
Because why not?

Extra quiet pupper removal

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>>33389115

>>33385578
just this, same reason magnum rounds were after specials and longs

MAKE PARLOUR GAMES GREAT AGAIN


For reals, a /k/ themed tavern/gunstore combination is missing in the world. Numales have starbucks internet cafes, women have malls. Wheres our pound of real estate

>>33388278
Where the fuck is the trigger

>>33385354
it was made and loaded with a pressed lead powder round for shooting galleries. the type in carnivals and indoors.

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>>33390882

>>33387134
Widely used in funfairs until 1970 in france. Replaces air guns with less maintenance.

>>33389279
See
>>33388278

>>33385354
Shooting booths at carnivals before airguns were cheap.

>>33387134
> stands for "cute bullet"

>>33385354
To shoot small things

>>33393132
for fucks sake: >>33388278

Does .22 long, not Long Rifle even exist anymore?

>>33389115
>Is it for complete fucking faggots?
If it was, you'd own two of them already.

>>33385354
seems like a great less than lethal round

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>>33387675
It was designed by the police to be a less than lethal round since .22LR is the nasty bounce around the inside you round.
If you are starting out with resistance to gunfire. You start with the less powerful rounds and work your way to .22LR then .22WMR. Only the shoguns could handle 9mm , but only if it bounces off their folded steel swords first.
Are you butch enough to make folded paper armor and practice with your friends with CB instead of BB guns?

>>33390081
Seriously, though. Why not get a bolt gun over a lever action and why not get a 10/22 over some pump action .22? Both the lever and the pump guns are pretty much objectively worse and cost more.

>>33394471
Because it's OK to like things, they work and nobody is forcing you to pick only one. Same reason there are more than Corollas on the street

>>33394793
Corollas and Civics are actually good buys, that's why they are called econoboxes even if they lack any style they are highly utilitarian.

The thing with all the Henry, Marlins, and those pump .22s is that they do not even have any kind of better performance metric over something like a 10/22, AR-15, or modern bolt action rifle. They also cost more, too. There's literally no objective reason to buy one. It would be like buying a S&W Sigma for 800 dollars over a Glock/M&P. It makes sense that you want another gun other than vanilla ones but lever actions are pretty gay especially when there's all kinds of cool old milsurp to collect if you want something different. Even subjectively it doesn't seem like a good buy.

>>33395022
>lever actions are pretty gay
kys

>>33386360
Winchester 1890. By a relatively large margin.

>>33387753
Full-grown adults have been killed with Red Ryders, which have a MV of (depending on age and condition) between 200fps and 450fps.

>>33395124
They are though. Why the fuck would you waste the extra money on one when there are a multitude of semi-auto and bolt guns that do everything better and cost less. And if I wanted something different I'd buy an enfield or some other gun that's actually cool like an FR-8.

>>33385715
But he also said it's better for squirrel hunting. Why is it better for squirrel hunting?

>>33388040
It was intended to be a small-game round. Which it does pretty well at, at least with the 20gr supersonic loads.
>fun fact
When the .22lr came about the first loads were (quite) subsonic, and many people thought they had inferior killing power to the .22 short because the short actually had enough velocity to mushroom the soft-lead 20gr bullet and the .22lr didn't have enough to do the same to its antimony-lead 40gr bullet. It wasn't until future loadings brought the velocity of .22lr up that it achieved parity.

>>33394065
Several companies still do limited runs of it. Same with .22WRF.

But as far as I know nobody's actually made a firearm in it in a long damn time.

>>33395022
They're generally somewhat more accurate, with the Marlins enjoying a very good accuracy reputation.

They function with even the weakest subsonics, and will generally function with shorts. Box mag rifles generally don't unless you either spend a lot of money for a conversion mag (Volquartsen) or a lot of time and effort to convert the mag yourself.

Because they're neat.

Because they suppress better.

Because you can get them in factory configuration with longer barrels (up to 28") in case you need it to be REALLY quiet or want the extra sight radius for precision shooting.

Because we can.

Because fuck you.

>>33395216
Because not everybody likes the same things as you do?
>muh utility, nothing else matters
Autism. Kys.

>>33394207
Please.
Stop.
Please.

>>33395277
See, you're doing it again. Marlin bolt action .22's are just as accurate if not more and they cost half the price while having long barrels too. I'm telling you, there is no objective reason. An extra magazine is only 20 dollars, too.

>>33395372
I'm fine with you buying a gun I don't like. Just don't try and pretend it's justifiably better in anything other than your shittier taste.

>>33395448
Suppression isn't an objective reason?

Reliably cycling shorts and longs (and wrf if you're stupid enough to spend the money on it when it's available) isn't an objective reason?

Being available in a long-barreled model isn't an objective reason?

Fuck outta here tactitard.

>>33395500
Bolt action models fit all of these criteria for less money, though.

>>33395022
>>33394471
fuck off you stupid tacticool kid

>>33395570
Bolt action models don't hold 16-22 rounds of ammo though.

>>33394094
kek

>>33390843
Have fun trying to get the permitting for that sorted out.

>>33387086
>loaded through the butt

At a carnival where I paid a Schilling to put a load in the butt then play childish games.

>>33395625
In the super duper high speed (but not too tactical because fuck assault shit) where you need a 20 something inch barrel, the ability to suppress, and the ability to use .22 short, while being able to hold 16-22 rounds... an AR-15 converted for .22lr can do all of the above while being much more readily available new, too while holding more rounds in the magazine all for a similar price.

Because faggots. Thats why

>>33395219
Because you can load like 1.5x as many bullets, anon. Please try to keep up.

>>33390882
how old are you, do you meet the requirements?

>>33385354
manlets decided to be rebellious

>>33395894
>for a similar price
Try $300 more expensive, if you want it to actually work at all ever and not have $70 spare mags. While not cycling shorts.

And a semi-automatic action will ALWAYS be significantly louder than a manual action, if utmost quiet is your thing.

>>33385450
Its a stupid gun. Why doesn't it fold completely? And that stock... look at how much space it takes up. Why doesn't it collapse? This gun is not very compact at all.

>>33397282
>manlets decided to be rebellious
kek

>>33397431
it packs into a triangle so when you put it in your pack it adds both structure and doesnt stack in profile. think outside the box dude. i ended up going for the AR7. though i wish they had better barrels.

>>33385354

Kwanging squirrels in your backyard with Colibri so they'll stop fucking trying to chew their way into your attic

>>33385354
So I can shoot animals in the suburbs

>>33385354
For mice that are too tough for .22CBs

>>33397320
Really? Where are all these new long barrel marlin pump actions that are cheaper than converted AR-15's? I just see a bunch of old used ones and more expensive better grade used ones going for 700+ dollars. If you get a dedicated upper you can get new and better chambers/barrels for even better accuracy. You can also very easily just drill and pin the charging handle to the .22 bolt and make it single shot and take out the pin to return it to semi auto. Spare magazines can be bought for as low as 13 dollars and can be modified for .22 short with a small feed ramp piece fairly easily. I'm still not seeing a case for someone to go out and buy an old used .22 pump over any of the modern alternatives in any use case.

>>33385354
For sneeki breeki rabbit hunting in the city.

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>>33385498
Fuck you man, I like the idea.

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>>33387086
Remington 24?

>>33402392
Oh so we've now narrowed it down to just pumps instead of anything-not-semi?

Fine. Winchester 1890 in meh shape routinely available for $250. Henry steel-framed levergats with 20 or 22 inch barrels are $290 new.

>>33394065
Yes, and I bought a box by accident and my Walther G22 wouldn't cycle it

>>33402462
>Oh so we've now narrowed it down to just pumps instead of anything-not-semi?
My first post advocated for a modern bolt action rifle. see
>>33395022

I literally advocated for modern marlin bolt actions being able to do everything a pump can (sans 16+ in a single magazine, which isn't even a huge deal for a gun with a detachable magazine) for half the price of the most beat up 100 year old used ones while being new. The marlin bolt action when new are still cheaper than beat up used 100 year old pump action guns as well as new henry rifles. A new marlin bolt action is 180 dollars.

All these pump action and lever action guns are objectively not good buys compared to modern offerings. The only thing they do is sate some asinine preference for vintage actions. You should buy the old pumps/lever actions because you're hung up over bolt actions and semi autos being somehow subjectively less fun to shoot, rather than trying to convince yourself and others that it's an objectively worthwhile gun to buy.

Oh actually I just found out marlin makes bolt action .22 tube fed guns that holds 17 LR rounds for $220. So there is literally no objective reason to buy any of those pump/lever guns.

>>33402576
The problem you're going to have proving your point is that you're attempting to apply objectivity to something that is inherently subjective. People's personal biases aesthetic tastes and in firearms, regardless of function, will always be subjective and irrational to a point.

>>33385664
My gf has that .22 shot it today actually. Not bad.

>>33402685
My point is that lever/pump guns cost more and do nothing better than modern bolt action or semi auto guns. It's an objective fact that I just demonstrated where any measurable metric of those lever/pump guns is bested by the semi/bolt guns for less money, too.

The only thing left to influence a buy would be a subjective preference for lever/pump actions and/or old rifles regardless of the rifles' objective performance/cost metrics. Often people will say "all that tactishit new guns don't do anything better than my old trusty granpapy's pump/lever."

My question brought up the point of why buy these guns [if the new guns were better]. Queue the guy seriously advocating that there is some specific use case where a 100 year old pump .22 is a good purchase because it is objectively better for certain use cases, which I demonstrated there are brand new guns that can do the same thing or better for less money. That is an objective statement.

I can't say he's wrong to buy it if he likes old marlin pump guns. I can objectively say he could have bought a new, cheaper gun, that could have done a better job of what he wanted to use it for.

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>>33385354
HIDE SQUIRREL THREADS
IGNORE SQUIRREL POSTS
DO NOT REPLY TO SQUIRREL POSTERS

>>33395022
Who fucking cares? Some people like them, so they buy them. I enjoy my Henry pump action, I'm not saying it's any bit more practical than my AR15

READ A BOOK YOU FUCK TARD NORMIES... *clears throat* the 22 short was mainly used in carnival gallery games in the late 1800s and early 1900s. It was a carriage that was light enough to knock down cans without penetrating the back board.

>>33385354
For people who want pellet-gun-like performance and noise but without all the agony of pumping it every shot.

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This thing holds 26 rounds of short and can fire all 22s/l/lr

Lever 22 is best 22

>>33395251
I remember it as a kid going shooting with Dad, but I haven't seen it in years now.

>>33385354
fun

>>33404122
can it fire CB?

>>33387675
12 ft/lb air rifles- you know, the weak, UK spec type, are used in suicides every year.

>>33395202


No fucking way. They don't even shoot pellets.

>>33404122
Marlin Model 39's are amazingly accurate, AND a takedown. I wish I had bought one when nobody wanted them.

>>33395022
I love my Henry .22 lever action. It feeds any kind of .22 I throw in it. Has jammed only a few times in 20k rounds, is more than accurate enough at the range I use it at.kills ground hogs and tin cans dead. It's damn quiet with .22 and the action is louder than firing it if I use the Agilla ammo thats a .22lr with only a primer. Yeah it cost more than a 10/22 but guess what, I just like lever guns. It's fun to work the action and see the hammer cock and be able to do dumb western movie shit like like one handed cooking.

Of course I'd never do anything but dick around the farm and shoot varmits/cans with it but so what? I have an AR if the world ends and I need to get serious.