NFA THREAD

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Nobody owns any NFA stuff?

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waiting on 2 sbr stamps that were filed pre 41p, guess those are lost by now.

>>33381904
is that a .45 sbr? I was looking into buying/building one for a suppressor host. Build specs/comments?

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>>33382136
Yikes! Did you form 1 efile? Those are ahead of Form 4s. I would call the ATF and ask about it

>>33382144
Neat. Just curious, if you're already going through the NFA process for that, why did you choose to go with the super shorty instead of like an SBRd 870 or double barrel?

>>33382209
9mm. PSA colt pattern lower, LWRC UCIW stock, 5.5" barrel, Ergo Z-float rail, Troy BUIS, Aero upper with no FA.

With the can on it, there is just under a half inch of space between the can and rail. I would like to get my barrel chopped down to 5.1" and rethreaded. 5" would be just barely too short and wouldnt allow the can to thread fully on.

Why do short barrels require tax stamps and paperwork? What makes them special?

>>33382285
"Gangster" weapons, thank the "common-sense" gun control of the 20s and 30s.

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>>33382224
Yup, e file. one is for a 45 acp mauser conversion that the ATF actually emailed me about requesting more info several months back. the other is just another stripped lower so meh.

>>33382265
This was a few items in and it was an impulse buy. The shop had it for 750$ so I bought it. They also had a spas 12 with a hook for 1K at the time so I fucked up.

>>33382285
They can be concealed easily, because Jamal can't get a hacksaw and chop his barrel down

>>33382285
The feds couldn't pin anything on the mafia in the 20s and 30s so they came up with the NFA so they could arrest them on bullshit.

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>>33382285
The NFA was originally going to regulate ALL handguns. But Congress is gonna do what congress is gonna do and the bill somehow wound up sparing pistols but regulating short barrel rifles and shotguns. I have no idea how that compromise came about.

>>33382297
>>33382316
>>33382328
>>33382332
I see, thanks.

>>33382304
Neat. What did they ask about? Just clarifying that it is in fact a short barreled mauser in .45?
>i forgot to register a stripped lower as an SBR before 41f

Damn, yeah that SPAS would have been cool just to have. The shop I went into to pick up my can was super cool, had enfields, arsenals, chinese AKs, a 1919 and M2 sitting on the floor, 4 different Lugers, tons of shit.

I would have bought something right then and there because that shop was selling what I was into, plus the transfer was free because it was a silencershop Powered dealer.
>$9999 for luger (yes, 4 digits)
>$900 for draco
>$2000 for BSA enfield No1 in good condition
>$1400 for some french MAS, unsure of variant
>$2500 for SVT-40
>$650ish SKS'
>$3000+ M1 Garands


I stopped looking at prices after that because I knew nothing interesting was affordable.
I wish my LGS sold cool guns at real prices

>>33382136
whats your obsession with suppressed ppq's anon

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>>33382383
They just wanted pics of the gun and the serial. stripped PSA lower comes through, no problem. But when you pick 'other' as manufacture, and 45 acp bolt action people start to wonder....they just wanted photos of the serial and the gun. But since it hasnt come back yet I guess they wanted something else lol

>>33382418
I'm still trying to figure that out.

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can't decide if I want a cz scorpion evo or the czechpoint vz61

scorpion
>9mm
>modern
>accessories and aftermarket
>good all around gun

vz61
>aesthetics
>much more compact

help me decide /nfa/

>>33382136
>>33382418
I can imagine Werner Herzog narrating his life, talking about the man who keeps descending deeper and deeper into an existential crisis, for no matter how many suppressed PPQ's he buys, he'll never be at peace.

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>>33382491
OP here.
Go for the Evo.

The folding stock on the VZ-61 wriggles like crazy due to the small dovetail adapter plate that has to be installed to allow the stock to mount. The original military VZ-61s had the dovetail cut directly out of the rear of the receiver, which lets the stock rest in the little nook on the bottom of the receiver. The adapter plate pushes the stock out about 1/4" too far and it has nothing to rest on so it wriggles. It's a neat uncommon little gun but honestly not worth the stamp. If you really want one for that A E S T H E T I C, I'd say save the $200 and just weld the stock closed. They're awesome little pistols, super accurate and easy to shoot, but as a semi auto PCC, they're trash.

>>33382332
It wasn't really a compromise
>we're regulating pistols
>well we may as well add short barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns since they're basically pistols and we don't want any loopholes for pistol ownership
>wait we need to take pistols off the bill or it won't pass?
>ok, keep SBRs and SBSs on it though fuck those guns

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>>33382491
Get them in this order:
AR 9mm
CZ Scorpion Evo
Sig Sauer MPX
Czechpoint VZ 61

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>>33382498
Hey now, I've branched out to other German companies.

>>33382491
Out of curiosity, what aftermarket does the new scorpion have besides OEM replacement parts, a right-side-delete for the safety, and an AR buffer tube adaptor?

AFAIK the factory SMG stock is still unavailable outside the Czech Republic, there are no replacement handguards/trigger groups/pistol grips/barrels available for it other than OEM, and they're the sole provider of mags?

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>>33382678
bunch of stamps for other stuff too i just cant be fucked to either cut off barrels or put on stocks atm

>>33382613
Well I just thought of something that should've occurred to me a while ago.

Instead of buying the Evo "pistol" and paying to put a (potentially quite expensive) stock setup on it, buy the carbine and simply install the $190 OEM "pistol" barrel once your stamp comes back. That way you get the good stock and mlok handguard out the gate.

Especially since you should be able to get at least $50 out of your (assumedly) used carbine barrel.

>>33382038
You stole this from gunnit.

>>33382933
Not him but he's posted lots of time stamps with Taylor swift shit (IDK why) plenty of times.

Believe it or not, some people actually own things.

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>>33382136
Hello again PPQ anon, assuming you aren't some faget who stole that pic. PPK anon here.

https://boards.4tan.org/k/thread/33024961/#33028056

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Gemtech Mist integral 10/22 and a Huntertown Guardian on a Savage .22.

Have others, still waiting on some from last summer.

Waiting for my first post-41f to Form 3 itself to my dealer so I can start that, too.

(Fun fact: the store I got the Guardian from closed while I was waiting. Fortunately I still got it.)

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>>33381904
Every time I see that AR I get rock hard.

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>>33382933
If this was posted on gunnit then it was stolen from me

>>33383271
You ever thought about putting a folding skeleton stock on that?

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>>33382995
Whats up PPK anon! I am in dire need of a metal walther. P5 or P88? both around 1k bucks but I cant do both ATM.

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>>33383288
but why

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Current two so far with a SiCo Sparrow SS in jail

>>33383271
I asked you where you got that fuckin ice cream cone sticker and you didnt fuckin answer me.


Where'd you get that fuckin kawaii ass ice cream cone fgt?

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>>33383409
If you asked on gunnit you weren't asking me.

My girlfriend had a sheet of these stickers. I took an ice cream and a Popsicle. If I had to take a guess, I'd say they probably came from the $1 bin at Target

>>33383321
P5 in 7.65

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>buying a 1,500 dollar 1911.

Thats the republican version of gold teeth. Your basically a white nigger.

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>>33381904

Most of /k/ doesn't even have guns, let alone NFA

>>33383677
Top kek

>>33383064
Those look like good fun!

>>33383404
These look even more fun. Thats a 20ga right?

>>33383677
>i cant afford nice things so you're white trash
I traded a Glock 21 I got for a super good deal, a flashlight, and $200 for it. About $800 out of pocket for me. Then several years down the line I ordered the threaded barrel, another $200, the grips and black trigger.

>>33383731
That is unfortunately rather true. Is your lower waiting on a stamp as well?

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>>33382038
cuckfornia here. fuck off, we're full

>>33383453
Ever thought about putting a folding stock on that meme machine?

while building a SBR AR would it be better to build a pistol then get the stamp for a rifle or build a rifle then the stamp for a shorter barrel

>>33383909
If you have the tools to replace a barrel and dont mind doing it, do it that way.

It would be cheaper to buy a pistol buffer tube though. If you buy a standard PSA lower parts kit, add a pistol buffer tube to your order as well. Its like $20 extra. That way you'll have your buttstock ready for when your stamp comes in

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Do you guys think these grips looks better than the one in the OP?

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>>33381904
I have a couple.

This poodle shooter
1/?

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>>33384460
The russian piece of shit

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>>33384474
3/3

Paki made bullet hose

Im waiting on an Octane 45 and an Omega .30 that I filed for in June but apparently they are just never coming back. My FFL says he is seeing stuff from late april atm so god only knows what the fuck he did to make the paperwork go that slow.

Im also considering an integrally suppressed mark2/3 and an omega 9k

>>33382038
waiting on my first can to be released from jail, it's been like 280 days

9mm ar or cz scorpion? scorpion is like $1200 total (699 pistol, 250 stock, 200 stamp). would an AR be cheaper or significantly better?

>>33384503
Thats sexi as hell how do you like those paki HK clones? Bummed vector went out of business.

>>33384604
Scorpion is a giant piece of shit so theres that.
Dedicated 9mm lower is cool but a 5.56 lower can be converted to 9 so you have effectively 2x sbrs you can make

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>>33384627
It runs fine with everything but aluminum case (blame the guy who brought that to a /k/ meetup and tried to shoot it). Finish is kind of shit and extremely glossy.

>>33384604
MPX.

>>33384558
285 days from check cashed to stamp in hand

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>>33384644
I wouldn't worry about it, my C93 is picky about thin brass and steel cases too, I think it has something to do with relying on barrel fluting in the mechanism but the higher velocities are worth it.

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also have a 22 can, waiting on stamps for 2 form 1 cans and form 1 on the vepr 12

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>>33384702
Ejection is just violent but it seems that the extractor rips the shit out of aluminum rims

>>33384644

I have a Zenith clone. It wrecks aluminium case ammo. I won't do that again. So many failed to eject and crushed or ripped apart.

100% with all the brass cased ammo I can find though.

>>33384631
why is it shit?

>>33384677
thanks for suggesting something $1000 more

>>33383816
No,

If I sbr it will be with a standard lower for more versatility

>>33384690
jesus chriost

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>>33381904
Filed for them on my 20th birthday and a now 3 months from my 21st I finally get them back
Atf cashed the check June 28th for those looking for estimates stamps approved a week ago.

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Lots of custom work done to her

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>>33384745
>all that roller delayed blowback

That is some truly patrician taste, my friend.

>>33385439
>paying $200 and surrendering your rights to add a couple inches to a mare's leg
lol just shoulder the short stock

>>33385559
well, I am canadian (its a rifle with the short stock). it would be NFA innastates. and shouldering it with really hot bear loads is uncomfortable AF
Also question, because im said canadian, and this in the states is an SBR, would i need any blessings from your government to bring it to the states?

>>33385596
Oh, carry on then.
They will urethra rape you if you attempt to bring it across that magical line.

>>33385626
really? so im not allowed to bring it across the border, just because its an SBR down south?

>>33385640
Correct, though I don't think you're allowed to bring any guns over, period.

>>33385651
well, when i went down south some fellow from MT was driving up to AK, and he had about 15 firearms, some prohib and he was good to go. fuck thats stupid.

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>>33382527
I actually think a lot of the play comes from the design of the locking mechanism itself. If you look a it, it is really grossly machined. If you were to refine how the stock locks into place and make that "tooth" actually fit in the stock most of the play would be eliminated.

Sorry for shitty pic. Only picture I have of the stock offhand.

>>33385785
No, I thought that at first as well. However, my friend bought a parts kit that included the cut receiver and I tried two different folding stocks on the end stub of his receiver, and they both were rock solid. I put both the stocks onto mine and both wriggled. That was where I noticed the stock doesn't rest on the receiver with a semi auto using a dovetail adapter.


If I get brave enough, im going to mill out a small section of the back and weld the adapter plate into it so it sits at the same level as a real one.

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>>33385836
IMO you wouldn't have to weld it. The receivers are threaded really deep. You can run some long screws deep in that bitch.

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>>33385785
See in this photo, the stock sits there. On mine, there are kind of two positions that the stock is at. There is all the way down and open, but it will push up a bit to a slightly less open position. That 2nd slightly less open position is where it is supposed to sit in the receiver. The stock is locked from wriggling up because it's already in the highest position it can be in while open; it can't wriggle down because it is resting in the receiver

>>33385874
That's good to know. Then I wouldn't have to refinish it.

Also, what exactly am I looking at? An adapter plate for a different type of buttstock?

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>>33385912
Its a proof of concept that I made by hand so I could put a Burris on my vz.

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>>33385963
>>33385912
I actually reached out to Czechpoint about making these. They are working on something similar but it is not a priority.

HOWEVER

We are getting railed Vz.61's ala the CZ868 next year

>>33385963
Now that is cool. I was wondering how you mounted it up on there.
Btw how do you like your Burris? I've got one coming for my 9mm SBr

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Getting the form 1 can cerakoted tomorrow. It's an all titanium direct thread sd tactical body (tube, endcaps, muzzle device, with zmachineworx titanium cone cups. Took about 235 days for approval pre 41f

>>33386008
It's not a true 1x, and I find that little bit of extra magnification distracting. Otherwise, it's alright. It's no aimpoint or rmr but for the price its decent.

>>33383843
I refuse to believe this is real. is it really that bad over there

what the fuck, europe? I ain't even white, but get your shit together before something sparks the second crusades.

>>33383843
>with here boyfriend
wtf, just stand there and watch while your gf gets beaten?

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>>33386030
obviously has an sbr stamp as well

>>33386030
Nice, I regret not buying one of their titanium tubes. Now they're shut down.

What color are you coating it? I kinda like the raw titanium look

>>33381904
What buffer tube/stock on the ar?

>>33386140
i'm just going black. The can kinda looks cool like that, but it looks pretty gooft with just the muzzle brake. I'm a fan of the more low key look of just having it black.

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A neat thing about the semiauto vz.61's is that they have no rate reducer. Which means they don't need a hollow, vertical grip screw. Which means you can do this. But I don't recommend it. But you could.

>>33385415
wait you can file before 21?

>>33386159
LWRC UCIW

>>33386163
But. Why?

>>33382038
what is that pistol grip?

>>33386244
Form 1s nigga
You can do form 1s and form 4s sub 21.

The form 4s have to be private party. I.e. I can buy an sbr from a dude in this thread or make a suppressor but I cannot but any nfa items from a dealer.

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>>33385553
>tfw getting more roller delayed this weekend
>>33386163
Now thats what I call halal

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>>33384586
I NEED TO SEE A VIDEO OF YOU SHOOTING THAT DOUBLE BARREL. FOR SCIENCE

>>33384474

I am gelatinous

>>33386417
I haven't done any research on NFA items so I'm not familiar with the application process. I turn 21 in two weeks so I guess I'll just wait it out.

>>33386542
Well a form 4 is a transfer form. Which is to buy from dealers or from individuals. Sub 21 you are g2g to buy from individuals but dealers are no go.
Form 1 is to make nfa items which you can do after you turn 18.

>>33386581
whew, butthurt avoided
doesn't seem to apply to me since I'd be buying from a dealer

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>>33386542
Can confirm, I filed for and approved form1 for >>33384460 at age 18 without a drivers license
>>33386484
It was a bitch

>>33383147
Who is this?

A2G, did you do the same dealer as me? Jbt? My cash was czeched on late June for the octane 45 so I'm hoping in 20 days or so...

>>33386643
https://www.empornium.me/torrents.php?id=378713

Aoi Shirosaki

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>>33386661
Goddmanit, I should probably stop posting the SN online.

>>33386614
If your looking for some suppressors diversified machine makes stuff that will compete with commercial cans. I used him for tube and internals and zmachineworx for engraving. They have some good stuff.

>>33384586
my great-great grandfather and his son were car thieves and bootleggers in the 1920's and 30's. they had A5's done up like that. I'm going to have to ask my grandfather if he can find the pictures of it.

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>>33386661
>>33386691
Yes, same guy

Quite the bitch to get a hold of

how do NFA items work exactly? say I want to sbr an evo

>buy pistol
>take possession of pistol from ffl
>submit forms for sbr
>receive approval 9001 months later
>buy stock
>ship straight to house

do I have it right?

>>33386688
>Aoi Shirosaki
Hvala ti.

>>33386815
Form 1 process would be
>buy pistol
>take possession and shoot it
>submit forms
>wait a long time
>get approval
>get it engraved
>attach stock
You must have your trust name and city, state engraved on your form1'd item

>>33386793
Yeah, he kind of is. I spoke to a girl there last week and somewhat calmed my nerves to hear them seeming legit. As long as I get my can (legally), I'll be happy. The prices were pretty nice.

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>>33386832
>call them asking for status update
>get a call 2 days later at like 8pm
>no voicemail
>send email about the call
>get email saying they are getting late aprils back and they will call me to setup an appointment when the forms are back

Tbh I wish I just did it through my local range. Friend of mine did a 762SDN at the same time and got it back on last Saturday. Jelly as fuck.

>>33386820
no problem, it's a god tier video

>>33386830
ok I need to look into the engraving part, I wasn't aware of that. what if I'm not using a trust though? Just my name and city? what if I move?

>>33382038
>pistolgrip SBR

Anon, I have some bad news for you and your dog.

>>33386851
Well shit fuck. Guess lesson learned. I'm still salty about how much I paid for my omega at the LGS. MHSS seems to be the best place for prices and service. I was bent over and they didn't even use lube ($1100 before any type of tax)

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>>33386852
You must engrave the trust name + city, state of manufacture onto the receiver. Ex:
"XYZ Revocable Living Trust
Hicksville, MD"
>what if I move?
I am not a lawyer but I have filed the change of address forms before and they never asked me to update the engraving. Id assume updating the engraving isnt a thing but ymmv.

NFA engraving is easy, search your local area and gun forms. Expect to pay $20-$50 locally and have it done in about an hour or leave it there for a day. My AR has it near the trigger pins, my mp5 has it near the pack on it and my krink has it under the trigger guard. As long as its to legal dept, "readily visible" and size you are good to go.
>>33386877
My LGS/Range has an omega 9k for $800 which is about the same as JBT once you factor in his extra $65 he charges ontop of the stamp. Also they let me play with it while I wait

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>>33386891
>to legal dept
to legal depth*

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>>33386911
>I'll never be able to shoot that gun again
But goddamn was it fun.

>>33383677


... What?

That's like the minimum you should spend on a 1911

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>>33386956
But you got to shoot it, that is more than 99.99% of people on this site. People keep promising binary trigger MP5 packs so my 9mm one will be bullet hose as fuck. I just texted you a photo of what I get to pickup on friday, dont let the goyim in this thread know

>>33386984
dude 1.5k on a 1911 is pretty expensive. RIA makes them super affordable and really top notch quality for a fraction of the price.

obvi the 1.5k one is going to feel better over all, but it should by no means be the bottom of the shelf version.

>>33386992
True, definitely worth it. That guy was awesome and eh daughter wasn't half bad. I'll check it out in a morning. Past muh bed time

>>33386830
You can engrave preapproval if you want
Also
>>33386852
If you move you tell the atf but other than that no you do not update the engraving.

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>>33383321
Where are you seeing a P88 for $1,000?

I saw one that was so beat up and corroded the owner parkerized the slide and still sold it for $800.

Also P5 is more pleasant to shoot.

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>>33386911
The first gun I ever shot was a full fun Mp5 SD at an NH range.
I'll never forget the sound or the feeling.
Everything I own is trying to get back to that experience.
I will give in someday when I have the money

>>33387484
BURT
How much was the p5
I am willing to do horrible things for one

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>>33387587
I think I paid about what the one on Gunbroker is going for now

>>33387866
why is the front buis so far back?

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>>33387892

>>33381904

We're no longer able to e-file, correct? I mailed off my form 1 with fingerprints for an 300 BLK SBR not too long ago. I already have a can for it.

Just wondering if there's some way to e-file and mail off prints separately. I'll probably be filing a form 4 in the not-too-distant future for pistol suppressor.

>>33386830
>trust
Literally no reason to go through the trust bs after 41f

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>>33381904
looking good op

>>33387904
gotcha. That thing looks great. I'm not a huge fan of the front grip but it's surely functional.

>>33387942
Bowtie?

>>33387936
if you want other people to be able to posess items outside your immediate supervision it's still good. It's also good for inheritence. It's also good if you want to add people to the trust post filing.

>>33387942
Man I always end up surprised by how normal everyone on here is IRL. I expected everyone to be a huge autist.

>>33386869
Are you retarded?

>>33386891
Moving is irrelevant to the engraving. On a Form 1, you (or your trust) are the 'manufacturer' so you must engrave where it was 'manufactured.' I don't need to update the engraving on the suppressor I purchased, because that is where it was made. Same concept

>>33386984
>>33387028
There is a pretty significant difference between a RIA and a Sig 1911. My sig isnt a $1500 pistol, but it's definitely built better than an RIA. Yes,s RIAs are functional, but you're comparing a wasr to an Arsenal; a PSA to a BCM. The lower price option works, but there are nicer and better firearms

>>33387936
If you have siblings or a wife, its a good idea. I have a trust with my brother on it and I will continue to file my NFA items under it because if I deploy or die or whatever, I want him to be able to take possession of them. Plus, I know how to do the NFA process so if he wants a can I can just get it for him since we're both on the trust.

>>33387971
>taylor swift phone case
>bathroom selfie with silenced 1911
>normal