It's hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>33381806
I threw together a pseudo type 91 lower clone. with for this build. hopefully they'll make the real furniture available for sale.

heres the stock I went with, it's the CAR one, the first option. https://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=466

so they know their ammo is so shitty that they have to offer a upper just to shoot it.

>>33381833
shows how little you know

>>33381806
>piston driven
When will this shit stop.

does it have carrier tilt?

>>33381806
theyre a bit late to the party, ar15 market is going to be shit the next 4 years

>>33381893
Probably,I will wait Chris Bartocci to make a proper review.

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>>33381833
TALK SHIT GET BIT

can someone explain why you would pick this chink shit over a regular AR15 with direct impingement? what are the advantages here?

Totally not a shill thread guys. Totally no need to report.

>>33381926
gas piston autism

>>33381926
>piston AR
>Wolf, because Wolf is the best brand ammo in the world, fuck off richfags

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>>33381893
Apparently not. The Taiwanese have been using this upper design for almost 40 years without that issue. plus if you notice in the review they rear of the bcg has a rounded back edge when compared to the standard ar15 bolt.

>>33381926
For average range and plinking use it's not gonna give any big difference. I'm just excited for an inexpensive piston upper that has some neat history behind it compared to an aftermarket conversion kit.

>>33381938
Its not, pardon my autism but i'm just pumped to make having my own T91 chan a reality

>>33381974
thanks, i guess i didnt realize how expensive piston uppers were since ive never shopped for one

>>33381974
>>33381985
i like the look of it btw, and the piston factor is neat. will it mean cleaning is easier on the bolt group since there isnt soot and carbon being blasted in there?

>>33381806
>We MGSV now

>>33382003
Yeah pretty mush you only have to focus on cleaning the bolt face, chamber, and piston head instead of scrubbing out the entire upper. obviously you should still clean the whole gun but there will be significantly less carbon in a piston gun vs a DI version. There is nothing wrong with preferring DI AR15s mind you, but I've always built DIs and am looking forward to trying the new meme on a military tested design vs a retrofitted kit.

>>33381974
Any idea what it'll cost?

>>33382067
If I recall they advertised 500$ but in this current market I wouldn't be surprised if it was more like 400-450.

>>33381974
>without that issue
That's because "carrier tilt" isn't the problem people make it out to be. All it's ever been was marketing scare-tactics one piston AR company used to try to set their product apart. DI fanboys jumped on this like it causes catastrophic failures. If you can cycle the action with the charging handle, the rifle is fine. Your average garage gunsmith is more likely to have a problem cycling with a gas tube misalignment on a DI AR than a carrier tilt issue on a piston AR.

>>33382090
>>33382067
The official msrp back during its reveal in October was 599 so probably 400-500 retail.

>>33382090
Are sights included? Hmm, I may have found the upper to finish my second ar.

>>33382097
Interesting, either way the Taiwanese have been doing piston ar15 derivatives since 1965 so if anyone has worked out the kinks by now its them.

>>33381806
Rebarrel to .277 Wolverine and I'd consider it.

>>33382138
not sure if it includes the rear buis or not, but the front sight post actually sits in a dovetail with a rollpin and can be removed if you want.

>>33381806
I just want an ar with a wolf on it
Would like a wolf pelican case too

>>33381806
is it just me or this pic is really unflattering when they announced it last year i was like im going to jump on that but it just looks off

>>33381806
Fuck yeah it looks tits I would buy one

>>33381893
There has yet to be a piston AR conversion that doesn't have carrier tilt. They just use annoying memes that were disproved in the late 60's as a selling point

as popular as these upper kits seem to be (going by internet interest), im surprised no company has stepped up to make taiwanese marking/style ar lowers.

>>33382215
This isn't a conversion kit. It's essentially the type 91 piston upper with a different gas block (bayonet lug and grenade launcher mount removed) and American made barrel to get through the import laws. Quite a few nations use these rifles and the Taiwanese figured out making a piston ar work decades ago, if it gave them carrier tilt or other reliability issues, they would have just gone back to cheaper military aid m16s like Israel did.

>>33382278
>bayonet lug and grenade launcher mount removed
Yeah get back to me when they put that back

>>33382145

> worked out the chinks by now

>>33382337
kek

>>33382320
ah thats whats throwing me off in the looks department

>>33381806
Whats the price point on these going to be?

Why do I want this so bad? Who is going to get my money?

>>33381926
literally nothing
>muh fowling
>direct impingement is dirty
it looks pretty cool though, so that's a plus

>>33381863
Every time I tried to shoot wolf ammo it jammed every third round.

Is it bad I like that handguard?

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>>33381974
>that carry handle

>>33382654
>Every time I tried to shoot wolf ammo it jammed every third round.

Why is it that most don't have problems with Wolf/Tula/etc., but there's a few that do?

Some people have gas systems that weaker 223 isn't enough to cycle?

Don't even get started about polymer/lacquer coating melting off in the chamber, etc., that does not happen.

>>33382654
Then you have a shitty weapon because most people seem to do fine with it.

>>33382710
for semis, it has to do with how much (or little) gas a particular rifle is letting in. some are under gassed, using underpowered ammo will casue short stroking.
another issue is people that alternate between shooting brass and steel cased ammo without cleaning, which can cause FTE's from stuck cases

>>33382710
Some weapons are "calibrated" for lack of a better term for higher power ammo to cycle properly.

They are either high end target shooting guns, or more likely shitty guns.

>>33382710
>Don't even get started about polymer/lacquer coating melting off in the chamber, etc., that does not happen.

What does happen is that steel doesn't expand as much as brass and carbon gets stuck in the chamber and when you switch over to brass the brass will form around the excess carbon leading to a stuck case.

Just remember. Brass to steel, okay. Steel to brass, not okay.

>>33382712
I don't pretend to be the ultra expert but wolf is just about the only ammo that has ever given problems. And it's given me nothing but problems. I've never fired off anywhere near to a full mag worth and it not jammed.

>>33382798
I'm just being abrasive. Some weapons don't like some ammo. Have you tried a box in anything else? My lightweight 14.5 inch mid AR hates it, but my carbine AR and my pistols cycle it just fine. Along with all my ruskie milsurp of course.

>>33381806
What is this, 2011? I don't want a 16" piston upper.

Actually, I really don't want a 223 shorter than 16", either.

>>33381830
So the first option still needs a buffer, a buffer spring, and a castle nut right? I want to do the same thing but I have a feeling I have zero chance of running across one of these uppers.

>>33383039
nope it has all of those.

Atlantic has them on their site now. $599.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-accessories/wolf-a1-upper-detail.html?Itemid=0

>>33381806
Shiiieettt, that's pretty goddamn sexy.
I want one in a special snowflake cartridge.

>>33382179
fuckin furries
me too

the press release promised a carry handle rear sight. the Atlantic listing shows no sight. do i just slap an M16 carry handle on it? i want to get close to taiwan spec but i'm not going full autism over parts that may never be available here. going to engrave a lower and use the CAR-15 stock.

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>piston AR
>cant use a bitchin folding stock

meh

>>33383275
saved, that tube makes the ar look like a piece of workout equipment

So would this be retarded to chop down the barrel and put it on a pistol build?

>>33383158
Fuck yes.

>>33383275
seriously what's the point in imitating this unobtainium style of m4 if it's not the lr300

you're basically buying an AR where half the otherwise infinitely customizable parts are now proprietary parts that do not interface with any established AR options

>>33383158
sold out

>>33384449
fug i was sitting around waiting to hear what they were giving us for sight/handle. shoulda just ordered

>>33384449
Everything on that shit website is always sold out. Fuck atlantic.

>>33384510
They sold out in 2 hours

>>33381830
Thanks for the link anon.
>just need a custom engraved Moonrune lower and a fat pistol grip

>>33382663
No that's why I like it too. It has an FAL vibe to it especially with that gasblock sight tower combo.

unengraved aero receiver, tony's CAR stock, LPK, and carry handle ordered. now hopefully it'll pop up in stock somewhere else tomorrow and i can grab it

does anyone besides taiwan use a similar mag with holes and/or the insertion stop in it? i kinda want a couple

>>33384510
What I don't understand is how they had it first when Wolf is in Cali and they're in MD.

>>33381806

I've got a distributor that gets Wolf stuff so I'm going to send them out an email after while.

I'm not an FFL but I can get ammunition and non-frame parts. But I'm guessing Wolf is going to want a good chunk of change for these.

If i buy this upper can i use a folding AR stock w/o having to spend 400 bucks on an adaptor? Will there be 20" barrels?

>>33385131
negative, theres still no cheap options for folding stock on an AR lower. its only a 16" barrel from the factory so a long barrel isnt likely.

>>33385162

There are actually. Chinese adapters are out on the market now.

They ain't worth a fuck but they're out there.

>>33385179
you're just talking about a hinged buffer that folds to break down right, not something functional without a buffer?

>>33385162
Fugg, but if I use this upper I'll no longer need a buffer tube correct? Could I buy a folding stock then?
>if I buy this bitch for 400 I don't want to have to buy a dead arms folding adaptor for 400

>>33385277
AFAIK the bolt carrier still cycles the same way, necessitating a buffer. theres a reason they kept the buffer tube on the T91

>>33385131
These still require a buffer. Did nobody watch the videos i posted?

>>33385315
That would involve reading the OP. I just look at the pictures.

>>33385426
good thing I'm still bopping around the thread answering questions then.

>>33385426
Same. I'm legit sad I can't throw on a folding skeleton stock and go full mgsv.

I want a 198blyat AR build w/o breaking the bank.

>>33381806
>No forward assist

DROPPED
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>>33383275
Where does the bolt go? What does the fucking bolt/spring system look like? Is it some sort of double buffer/guide?

>>33383275
I never understood why they always cucked the ironsight radius in the lr300s photos.

>>33385583
Because S.T.A.L.K.E.R. does it, so the manufacturer copied.

>>33385588
you dumb nigger

>>33385583
faster acquisition and it sorta makes sense assuming you were trying to fire it with the stock folded

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>>33385539
Alan zitta took the M16 bolt and chopped it in half. He then extended the gas key all the way to the gas block and put a recoil spring on it.

He never got the system reliable enough to get military or private contracts for his design.

why bother to make a proprietary AR short stroke piston upper? if you aren't making it able to be fed from the top by stripper clip.

>>33385712
So it's a long stroke upper like the arak21?

>>33381806
>wolf
>the finest

this should be illegal for companies to make bullshit claims like this

WHERE DO I ORDER IT FUCK

>>33385751
Yep I would name it "long stroke expanding gas"

>>33382620
This really. It looks cool.

Give me a basic gestalt, why should I care?

>>33385765
its just a rebarreled T91 upper, and it can rightfully claim to be the best piston AR in the world. it has the best track record and widest adoption

So, it's basically an AK?

>>33385922
no

>>33385922
It effectively the predecessor to the 416, as it was the first military short stroke piston ar15 if not the first short stroke ar15 period.

>>33386044
colt beat them to it, but it was never really used or tested much

>>33386095
Interesting, do you have any links to info on the colt upper?

>>33385922
Not at all.

>>33386141
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/02/08/original-piston-ar-15-1969s-colt-703/

>>33386095
>>33386171
That looks like a long stroke system to me, as the op rod is attached to the bcg via a takedown pin looking part. So the T65/86/91 family of rifles still holds the honor of first short stroke piston ar15 and first piston ar15 to actually be adopted and fielded by a military.

>>33386238
Although the use of a 4 position fire selector was something that the t65 shares with the colt, so there could be chance of it inspiring the concept that become the t65 rifle.