>mfw someone says .45 doesn't do more damage than 9mm

What aabout expansion?
>9mm Average Diameter: ~.5
>.40 Average Diameter ~ .59
>.45 Average Diameter ~ .58
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
.45 cucks btfo. Etc, etc.

>>33379377
Thats measured after the petals are all of the way back, that doesn't count.

>being shot with bullets hurts
Duhhhhhhhhh

>>33379349
Bullet size isn't necessarily indicative of tissue damage done Sherlock. Cartridge geometry and velocity are equally as important.

f=m*a

>>33379377
Are you kidding? That's 20% wider expansion.
20% is a fucking lot.

>>33379377
Now do frontal area

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>>33379349
Looks like it works just fine.

>>33379349
The only thing that fuddy-five has going for it is a little bit more expansion.

However, the increased recoil, increased gun size, lower capacity, and higher round costs make it inefficient in a world of high-cap 9mms.

Pistols suck at killing people, they just make tiny holes that people leak to death from unless you're lucky enough to hit the heart, brain, or CNS.

The most effective pistol is one that gives you the highest chance of making as many tiny holes in someone as quick as you can. Three 9mm hits is more effective than one .45 hit.

If you can hit a moving target's heart or brain in under 3 seconds while under stress with only a few .45's...then it will work for you.

For the rest of us, we'll just spray them with 17+ 9mms.

>>33379349
I prefer .45. That said, when comparing apples to apples (FMJ vs FMJ, JHP vs JHP (same kind/brand), etc.), .45 will cause a slightly larger wound channel than 9mm... SLIGHTLY. Really, it's negligible when considering that shot placement reigns supreme. When you also consider the lower recoil impulse for 9mm, the higher capacity since the rounds are physically thinner than .45 ACP, the fact they're so much lighter (115gr 9x19 weighs around 35-38 rounds per pound as I recall while 230gr .45 weighs around 20-21 rounds per pound (almost as much as M80 Ball 7.62 Nato)), as well as the fact that it's cheaper to manufacture 9mm due to using fewer materials... I can see why Militaries around the world go for 9mm instead of .45.

Like I said, I prefer .45 ACP, I like the 'oomph', I like 'muh almost half-inch bore', I LOVE the classic M1911 design... but... 9mm is overall the better round. Higher capacity, can carry more, less recoil, etc. Penetration is really a non-issue between the rounds, and trajectory/bullet drop is a laughable thing to complain about for pistol rounds, so those aspects I think 9mm fanboys are stupid to even bring up, but the other aspects of 9mm superiority are valid. If I had to go hunting with a pistol though (stupid, I know), then I'd use .45 ACP because even if my aim is off just a little, there's a better chance that the round will hit the heart/lungs area, and if it does, it can cause a LITTLE bit more destruction in there.

About the only REAL way that .45 ACP is better than 9mm in, is in silenced/suppressed firearms. 230gr or 185gr (as long as it's still subsonic) .45 projectile is better than a 147gr 9mm (.35 or .38) projectile in my opinion. If you're limited in velocity (subsonic) then you may as well go for the bigger/heavier bullet. I'd also say that .45 is better than 10mm and .40 in terms of silenced/suppressed firearms.

>>33379713
>3:1 ratio
No you fucking don't you tremendous faggot.
>implying an XDs in .45 carries two shots
These 9mm shits are fucking retarded, and I'm a .40 short & weak guy

Hah, 9mm btfo by .40/.45 collaboration

>>33379405
Hows Physics 1 going so far?

Non-Burger here. Why does this ammo have a dent in the probectile?

>>33379791
Hollow point

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>mfw someone says 10mm isn't better than 9mm, .40, and .45

>>33379737
Oh yeah, and before anyone spazzes out, if I HAD to hunt with a handgun obviously I'd choose a magnum cartridge instead if it's for something like deer. At least .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum would be preferred. This is talking about if I ONLY had the choice between 9mm and .45 ACP. We should also keep in mind that the Military can only use FMJ, and obviously a .45 FMJ is going to create a larger wound channel than a 9mm FMJ. Still, lower recoil for better follow-up shots with 15-20 9mm would be preferable to higher recoil for worse follow-up shots with perhaps 12-15 .45 ACP. Remember, we're talking apples to apples, so none of thise "M9 vs FNP45" bullshit where both pistols carry 15 rounds; one in 9mm and one in .45. If the FNP45 can carry 15 rounds of 9mm, then if it were rechambered to 9mm then it would surely be able to carry a solid 19-20 instead of 'just' 15.

Now I'm a pretty solid guy, I can handle recoil well, so maybe for me 15 rounds of .45 could be put to better use than 20 rounds of 9mm, but not everyone in the Military is as big as me, especially with women being allowed in, so ultimately 9mm is the better option to go for. Like I said before though; I personally prefer .45, but I can also accept that 9mm is overall a better round.

>>33379713
Pretty much this. There's not enough of a difference in terminal ballistics to really matter. You're still just poking little holes in your target, whether they're 9mm or 11-ish mm (okay, what, 12-15mm counting expansion?) is sort of irrelevant. 9mm is nice because it optimizes for more little holes, and more holes always make things deader than less holes.

9mm, fuddy 5

lol
>anything less than red misting nig nogs

10mm ftw

>>33379791
The "dents" cause it to open up more consistently.

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>>33379349
K E K

I can't imagine being a cuck shooting a WW2 era round.

10mm or go home

>>33379794
Thanks.

But i always thought hollow point ammo was a regular projectile, but with the tip being hollow.

>>33379349
.45 is an american thing,nobody elese in the world give a shit about muh grappuu round.

>>33379405

> cartridge geometry

So you're saying the shape of the brass that gets ejected affects wounding?

Damb

>>33379791
You mean the giant crevasse in the bullets? They're hollow points. Welcome to /k/ enjoy your stay

>>33379377

If I ever get attacked by a rabid gelatin pile, I'll keep this in mind.

FACT: Hollowpoints fail
FACT: Hollowpoints don't always work as advertised
FACT: 45 and 40 aren't complete shit under expansion fail
Fact: 45 is a viable defensive round in FMJ

>>33379799
But more bigger holes makes things even more deader gooder. Just carry 2 fnx 45s for maximum deadificationization

>>33379713
>However, the increased recoil, increased gun size, lower capacity, and higher round costs make it inefficient in a world of high-cap 9mms.


You sound like a Honda Civic driver saying his car is just as badass than any American V8 muscle.

Nobody will ever believe you

>pistol rounds
They all work equally poorly.
Anything else is semantics.
If you are forced to carry a pistol, nothing above .32 is any different when loaded with the most modern defensive bullets.

None of this would matter if you hadn't put your rifle down like a moron.

>>33380023
And you sound like a retard from /o/ who thinks ancient 220hp 5.0L V8s are worth anything more than scrap value.

>>33379791
The dents mean that they've been shot at something that deformed the tip. That guy probably just picked up some rounds he found laying around and loaded them into his mag. It's kinda like grabbing the enemy's darts in a Nerf war.

>>33379737

At the end of the day, you're only arguements are

>cheaper for military
>muh women soldiers

Saying your a 45 guy after your wall of text either means your an idiot, or some new breed of 9mm shill.

>>33380023
Guns are not supposed to be badass. They are supposed to work.

If your point is that .45s are better range queens, fine I guess.

>>33379999
>my feelings are more important than scientific testing

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Checking in with the king of pistol cartridges.

>>33379349
>do more damage

Do you think people have a health bar in real life? Even if they did you typically have nearly 2x the rounds with a 9, so there's a greater chance of putting a shot on their vitals or better yet two shots for the hell of it.

>>33380023
Are you that fag in the M14 thread?
"Badass"doesn't win fights. Effectiveness does.

>>33379349

compared to a 12 Gauge slug which is going about the same speed they're both rather... umm... tiny. And thats about what it takes to get into the certified one shot stop territory for projectiles going that velocity.

You can add more velocity and get more results, like with the .223 or a .308. The bullet size doesnt matter much with those because they can deposit that energy via velocity.

.357 magnum has more stopping power than a .45 for that reason, it weighs as much as the 9 mil but its going like 1600fps.

.357 magnum with a wadcutter or supercavitating tip actually does more damage than a .223 because it displaces more volume. You can blow a man's leg off at the knee with a 357 out of a proper length revolver. Most ive heard of a .223 causing is a chunk of flesh to be blown off of a little girl's arm in iraq.

Hollowpoints dont matter for shit. That just means its not going out the back side. Makes it a little LESS lethal actually because you're not creating a 2nd bleeding hole.

It means being civilian safe to make sure an FMJ doesnt fly through someone's window down the street at 400fps.

7.62mm tokarev is deadlier than either of those pistol calibers for that reason, it'll go right through someone. And their thick leather jacket doesnt mean a thing either. And as a lightweight smallish caliber bullet its more likely to pinball inside if it hits a thick bone.

But really because of the Smallish Size compared to say, a 12 Gauge Slug... all these bullets are equally deadly and its more about how much MEAT they can dig through.

You need to be able to blow through the arteries right under the spine - shoot someone in the back and you've got easy access, but pretty much the Police are the only people who'll shoot you in the back (even criminals shoot you from the front most of the time). So you've got to blow through a person's entire body to really be able to hit the candy spot.

>>33379377
all pathetic in comparison to .75 to .80 caliber

>>33380076

>Even if they did you typically have nearly 2x the rounds with a 9

>Glock 17: 18 rounds
>Glock 21: 14 rounds

?????????

>>33380076
This.
Critical hits kill enimies.

>>33380091
>.357 magnum with a wadcutter or supercavitating tip actually does more damage than a .223 because it displaces more volume. You can blow a man's leg off at the knee with a 357 out of a proper length revolver.
Source: your ass.

You make .45 fanboys look good by comparison.

>>33380064

>human being
>Jelly Block

Gelatin is an absurd test medium.

Strasbourg shot goats, and that's where the real answers are.

You mad jellyfag?

http://guninstructor.net/Strasborg_Tests.pdf

>>33380099
Even gamez will tell you that and they're not halfway realistic either.

> shoot Super Mutants with full auto assault rifle, cause like 30 or 40 damage

> shoot Super Mutant in the head with .223 Pistol and cause like 80 damage

> kill Deathclaw with 225 hit points by shooting it in the eyes 3 times with a sniper rifle.

>>33380114
source: texas state trooper fired from under his car at someone who was shooting at him, took his leg off at the knee.

>>33380028

LMAO NERD

>200gr doing 1300fps

They make a 10mm load that's 135gr doing 2400 fps

>>33380028
this

>>33380142
>source: texas state trooper fired from under his car at someone who was shooting at him, took his leg off at the knee.
In other words, your ass.

I don't think you understand how providing a source works. Protip: saying that something happened is not a source.

>>33380091

You need to look at some actual .357 loads.

You're wrong, noguns

>>33379896
Your mom's asshole looks like that barrel after I'm done dogging her out, pleb.

>>33380083

And you think fixating on the pokemon tier stats of calibers matters.

Hate to break it to you buddy, but the choice of gun and ammo is almost inconsequential.

Who would win?

>Marine Recon with a 1911 shooting fmj
>you with a Glock 34?

Don't worry, we all know.

Stop hiding behind your stats, and learn that YOU fight, not whichever corporate brand you think represents your operator tier.

Detach from thinking a Glock 17 versus a Glock 22 makes any difference in the world.

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>>33379349
Every time.
Every time they do a study
They always come to the same conclusion

>>33380218
But you can't buy awarness, proper mindset, marksmanship and discernment of when to use your firearm, nor can you post pics of it.

Ergo gearfags are no interested in any of those.

>>33380064

Not a single refutation

>>33380210

LMAO.
> invoking Muh Speshul Forces Use It

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>>33380175
I dont think you understand how 4chan works.

>>33380244
>reading comprehension

Does .45 Super have performance close to 10mm Auto?

>>33380255
Last time I checked there was nothing on 4chan that would stop your from providing a source to your claims.

>"damage"

kiddo detected

Even if you're like 40 years old, that's kiddo logic.

>>33380044
I see no errors in my assessment. I am a fan of .45 ACP, but I'm not a fanboy. A proper fan can still see advantages and disadvantages, but a fanboy will only see the advantages of what they like while seeing only the disadvantages of what they dislike. I am not that ignorant.

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>>33380091
>hollow points don't matter

>>33380044
>lower recoil impulse for 9mm, the higher capacity since the rounds are physically thinner than .45 ACP, the fact they're so much lighter
>REAL way that .45 ACP is better than 9mm in, is in silenced/suppressed firearms.
at the end of they day, you can fanboy all you want.

>>33379349
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/21/usda-must-rethink-cyanide-bombs-that-injured-boy-killed-pets-lawmaker-says.html

>>33379902
standard ammo to fire at the range is fmj, solid projectile. or target ammo, which has a flat tip. hollow points are more for protection and self defense since they dont penetrate as much as fmj but also spread when hitting a target to cause more damage.

this is basic my dude

>>33380394
> neither did bernie in the end

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>>33379791
It's so they do this when they hit

>>33380028
>Being this objectively wrong

Clearly this is bait.

>>33380485
.40 cal confirmed master race

>inb4 10memeameter
I'm not in bear country and I don't want to pay 50 cents a round to shoot a full size handgun

>>33380097
That's still 4 more rounds, not to mention how many more rounds a country can make using the same materials if it's 9mm instead of 45.

>>33380037
Those engines made 300 foot pounds of torque at as little as 3Krpm (in stock condition). If you dont understand why that is fun its okay....keep enjoying your civic.

>>33380417
That bomb was actually planted by the ATF to kill that dog.

>>33380244

Sigh, kids today.

The point is that the Recon Marine is faster, more accurate, and better trained, and that is what makes him vastly better than you at shooting.

Skills matter more than the actual gun in the hand.

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>45...No...9mm...No...45...No...9mm

Personally you all sound like limp wristed faggots!

I prefer to kill what I'm shooting at!

.45 ACP is an obsolete cartridge that was poorly conceived to begin with, adopted against the better judgement of John Moses Browning (who preferred hi-cap 9mms as evidenced by the Hi-Power and the original .38 chambering of the Colt Automatic), and has absolutely no advantage over other cartridges in the modern day. 9mm is more compact, softer shooting, cheaper, lighter, can be fired out of a lighter and more compact gun, and offers more capacity. .40 Smith & Wesson is more powerful than .45 ACP, while also having all those other advantages. .45 is a testament to the idiocy, hubris and romanticism of US Ordnance, nothing more.

If you want power, there's no reason to choose .45 over .40 when .40 is more powerful, offers more capacity and can be used in a smaller gun.

If you're not an idiot, you'll realize that most rounds fired in combat or self defense miss anyway, and that all the power in the world doesn't mean jack shit if you can't land hits with it under stress. Just because you can bang out 8 shots of .45 in the 10 ring on a nice static range doesn't mean you'll perform that way when the bullets are flying both ways. More capacity and easier followup shots matter more than power in real life, especially when all pistol cartridges except revolver magnums are piss-weak to begin with.

Life is not a video game. You're not trying to deplete your opponent's health bar, you're trying to make him stop attacking you, whether that means critically wounding him or getting him to retreat in the face of superior firepower. The .40 S&W and 9mm Parabellum cartridges are objectively better suited to this task than .45 ACP, since they offer you more and easier to control firepower in a more convenient package.
>>33380942
You do know that MARSOC has switched to the Glock in 9mm, right? They bought all those expensive paperweights, and then the actual operators didn't want them, so they let them use Glocks, before completely dumping the 45 in 2016. Fuddy-five fags btfo

>>33381103

For the record, the fact that marsoc uses 1911's wasn't actually relevant. I just thought of an old gun and a special forces group.

I could have said SEAL with a 38 revolver, and my point is still just as valid.

>>33381203
Obviously operator skill matters more than the weapon. But what this does prove is that the actual operators with those skills prefer a hi-cap 9mm over a single-stack overweight .45.

I imagine MARSOC adopting the 1911 was a decision made by some desk jockey who thought they were super duper neato, rather than one born of actual military requirements.

>>33379713
I feel like my sub carrying 10+1 plus an extra mag is plenty of .45 for any situation I'm going to find myself in.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/10/us/beyond-the-call-of-duty-murphy-wisconsin/index.html

Take a guess what caliber it was.

>>33380140
The results of the test are pretty clear. Speed and pre-fragmentation are the two largest factors. .45 acp is literally fucking subsonic. Throw away your 1911 and get a real gun, faggot

>>33379447
Sure 20% is a lot if you are talking about 20% of a trillion dollars, not so much when you are talking about 20% of a dollar. You are attempting to say .09 of an inch is massive. That's either some hardcore autism you got going, or some weak trolling.

>>33381381
>>33381103
Don't individual MARSOC operators have extreme leniency in choosing their side arms?

>>33381663
That's generally true of any special forces unit. However the 1911s were collecting so much dust and so many were using Glock 19s that the military decided to change the standard issue anyway.

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Some things never change. Fuddy-five cucks still haven't wrapped their heads around the simple concept of SHOOTING A MOTHERFUCKER MORE THAN ONCE. Its a semi-automatic handgun lol.

>>33379377
It's 60% bigger.
9mm users confirmed for ultimate cucks.

>>33379920
Cartridge also includes the bullet. Just sayin.

>>33380539
why not just shoot .40 out of a 10mm and then use big boy bullets when youre done at the range?

>>33382471
That math.... wew lad

>>33381617
but 5 people were killed during that shooting..... its like you just disproved your own point while trying to prove it.....

>>33381794
Oh shit is that candleja

>>33380209

KEK. stay frothy and moist after seeing my muzzle, upset noguns.

I bet your little dong got so juicy at the sight of that GAPED 10mm muzzle

>>33382537

Cartridge includes THIS DICK

>>33381011
>1.30 burger bucks a shot
>Compares 9mm and Fuddy-five to a bear gun
youve contributed nothing

>>33382858
Well, at least you know what saying his does, but you did it wrong. You have to say "Candlejack", the whole name, before he sna

>>33382984
Candlejack is an unpredictable guy. He may have been waiting for >>33382858 to just try and say his name and gotten impa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MasCCdJ6YI8

>>33383069
>>33383011
>>33382984
Wow I haven't seen candlejack posts in yea-

>>33382559
this

>>33381011
http://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-sw500-hi-viz-fiber-optic

>Not conceal carrying the biggest handgun cartridge in the world

>>33383069
>>33383112
>>33382984
>>33382858
>>33381794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQIgMNryakw

>>33379377
you're comparing averages. should compare best in caliber with adequate penetration.

9mm is .7" with 115gr DPX

.45 is .89 or .9 iirc with 230gr HST.

>>33383201
why would you compare anything but averages?

Looking at the highest numbers is a really terrible way of assessing performance for anything.

5.7 master race here

>>33383227
Unless you're, idk, talking about which does the best at being bigger. those are averages of those individual rounds too, not just some outliers. Including poorly performing/old designs is not going to do anything but muddy up the waters in general and possibly give a slight edge to 9mm and .40 as most bullet designs in the last 15yrs focus on their performance due to their commonality.

Hydrostatic shock, myth or must?

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0803/0803.3051.pdf

>>33379670
Thank you based LGS santa

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>>33379797
>>33379825
>>33379896

10memeater defense force shills are out today

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>>33379349
I carry a 9mm because I find it easier to make follow up shots with. But, I recognize that a hit with a .45 would do more damage in the same spot across compared to any 9mm hit. I also think the additional capacity of 9mm mags is beneficial when facing multiple attackers. If I was more confident in my shot placement with .45 under stress, I would consider carrying it. Since I believe I have a higher chance of stopping an attack with more rounds and better follow up shots awarded by 9mm, I choose 9mm over .45. There is no wrong choice, people should carry what they feel most capable with... But in the spirit of this thread:
>RRREEEEE!!!! FUCK FUDDY FIVE!!!1!!

>>33383568
Lol. No.

>>33379349
Can we agree .40 besides recoil is better then 9mm .or .45 because it has more velocity.

With this said .40 will penetrate chest bone better then 9mm and way more then .45 unless it's fmj??

>>33379377
>>33381662
did you measure the weights you faggot?

>>33383884
It does really well for the first inch or so

http://concealedcarryholsters.org/wp-content/files/FBI-Analysis-on-PA-Police-Shootout.pdf

>>33382471
I bet you like bigger cocks too faggot

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Leaving this here

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>>33383655

>>33379670

did the first guy they encountered do the right thing by putting his hands up? I feel like he distracted them a bit to let Santa do his thing

>>33386924
If he didn't think he could draw on and shoot them, yes.

>>33379713
>>33380028
people say things like these but when you confront them on it they say "but don't shoot anything smaller than 9mm Luger!"

>>33386887
>>33386772
>>33386837

So it's obvious that the .44 magnum is the only bullet a true man will use. If you're a lady, or think you're a lady and wear ladies' clothes, the other rounds were designed for you.

10mm, BTFO
.40, BTFO
.357 SIG, BTFO
.45 BTFO
9mm, BTFO

>>33386772
This just makes me think why the fuck won't they make factory 10mm loadings at the original specs.

>>33387174

Waiting for full auto carbine chambered in a rimless .44 mag equivalent.

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>>33379349
I've come to realize most 9mm proponents are pretty much like liberals. They will tell you how their bullet works better because of science, how capacity and having more is what is important, and how their feelings are more important than your feelings. You can show them the Ellifritz study that shows .40s and .45s typically require less shots on target to incapacitate someone and they'll tell you it doesn't matter. You can show them the Marshall and Sanow study and they will autistically screech about how flawed the one stop shooting study is. You can show them expanded diameter bullets and wound tracks and show them how much more damage the larger bullets do while penetrating to the same depth and they will again state it doesn't matter. You can look at real world shootings and they'll always bring up the one cop that had to shoot someone 15 times with a .45 to stop them, and they will ignore the numerous shootings that took 20-30 9mms on target to stop someone. Most gun writers and bloggers won't even mention the bigger bullets do work better because they know their comments section and emails will be full of 9mm autistic fanboys screaming how awesome their Glock 19 is and how good the 9mm is. So instead of dealing will the headaches, most gun writers will just say "they are all the same, they are just as good, everyone gets a trophy." They don't even pass on important info like it is only the very best 9mms that come close to competing with the low end .45 hollowpoints. So now you have every uninformed gun owner thinking his shit tier 115gr 9mm standard pressure hollowpoint is just as good as a 230+P .45 HST round.
I find it best to stay conservative on this subject. The .45 has always worked, it has always had a reputation for working, modern technology has only made they bullets better, so why bother changing?

What does /k/'s autistic screeches sound like in caliber threads?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmNpjCFSkZw

>>33387495
If two guys are in a gunfight against each other, one armed with .45 and the other armed with 9mm, and they both shoot each other twice in the chest, they both die.

It is kind of retarded to argue over caliber, not because one is far superior, but because all of the major calibers are effective. You can watch videos. You can talk to doctors.

Lots of people die to 9mm. Lots of people die to .45

You're in the wrong to be dismissive of 9mm and others are wrong to be dismissive of .45.

Is one better than the other at killing? No. Is one faster? Yes. Is one heavier? Yes. Does one expand more? Yes. Does one have less recoil? Yes.

Deciding what makes one round the best is not objective. Is it expansion? Is it force? Is it penetration?

Also you will never find an example of it "taking" 20-30 9mm rounds to drop someone. You might find examples of someone who was shot 20-30 times, but that's only because a 9mm handgun holds more and cops shoot a lot. Two cops dumping their service pistols? 34 rounds of 9mm. Guarantee you that guy didn't need all of them to die.

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>>33386924
If the thugs are smart (which is obviously not the case, dual wielding lol), they'd make a point of consciously watching anyone who DIDN'T have their hands up... meaning guy #1 would actually be directing MORE attention to Santa. But dumb/sloppy as they were they may have unconsciously been distracted/fixated on the guy with his hands up.

In any case, I doubt Santa TOLD the other dude he was planning to fight back, and if you're not going to fight back and you're not going to run, complying is the third best thing to do.

>>33379713
>Three 9mm hits is more effective than one .45 hit.


I think you mean, 1 - 9mm hit is better than 0 - .45 hits

>>33388698
.45 is plenty accurate, and 1911s and modern high-cap .45s are very easy to shoot accurately.

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>>33387096
>not 600 nitro express
afraid of hurting your delicate wrists?

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>>33387495
>Ellifritz study
You mean this completely statistically insignificant study (small sample size, limited variation etc) in which .380 and .38 were just as deadly as .45 and .22 outperformed .45? Great evidence m8.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

>>33388723
If you're not shooting 4 bore, why even bother?

>>33379713
Sounds like I should carry a vz.61 and just magdump 20 .32ACP's

>>33388749
I didn't know they made a 4 bore pistol.

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>>33388763
>4 bore pistol

>>33386772
>>33386837
>>33386887
do you have data on recil/follow-up shoot for each cartridge?

>>33388986
Weight of a firearm affects felt recoil, which is why the M1911 design has less felt recoil than a Glock 21. Unless of course you're Hickok45 in which case no pistols have recoil and all pistols are 100-200m sniping weapons.

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>>33386887

>bottom four look like dragon dildos

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>>33379754
>I'm a .40S&W guy
>Doesn't even have the balls to go 10mm

>>33379713
This is why I rock a Judge filled with birdshot

>>33380281
Pretty close, and 460 Rowland even moreso.

.45 auto is a very low pressure round compared to 10mm and 9mm. So there's a lot to be gained.

>>33389382
This is why I judge The Rock when he shoots filled birds.

>>33380091
>Not using .600 nitro as your carry gun

>>33389499
>Not having a scooter that you take literally everywhere with an M2 Browning mounted on it
It's like you're ASKING to get mugged

>>33389548
Sup
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6hbC73VT2w

>>33379670
there's another vid where you see the old dude actually tucks himself behind a cabinet to conceal his draw.

After witnessing first hand what a 300lbs person on PCP is like I've reconsidered my caliber choices. The 9mm is great but keep something bigger nearby.

>>33381658
I'm willing to bet that you would not want to get shot by this "fake" gun you pussy ass, faggot ass, bitch ass nigga.

>>33380210
I like you

>He doesn't keep a shorty 12 gauge with 3" bear buck high brass for 4+1 murder fun times

This thread is full of faggots.

>>33389786

Upgrade to 10mm or those high speed 8 round .357 revolvers then desu.

>>33381662
so if you have the choice to get stabbed through with 2 objects (even ignoring cavitation effect) , and are told one is 20% thicker than the other and both will penetrate the same distance, your reaction is
>meh, doesn't matter
okay then
>>33386772
looks like the screen shots were selected poorly
watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7JxF4TYJps
the .45 hollow point shows a lot more of an effect than those screen shots portray

>>33380233
This

go to p-f

90% of the population never leaves the hardware section, can't be assed to think or talk about training because it's not as shiny

>>33379713

>Reporter is shot multiple times with 9mm
>Lol that tickles, runs off giggling

>Robber enters gunstore with weapon drawn
>Based shop owner introduces him to God's chosen round .45 ACP.
>Robber hits ground like a sack of rocks, instantly fucked the fuck up.

Yeah, video evidence would state that .45 ACP is a manstopper and 9mm is a faggot round. Just get a Glock in .45 if you want capacity, or get a 1911 if your cock is longer than three inches.

>>33380044
Are you like, a legit retard or something?

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>>33390269
Exactly.

Also le pelvis

>>33391134
story time? pcp is a hell of a drug

>>33379713

This post is fucking underrated...

I live in britcuckistan. I am forced to felate the futa-queen daily if even HANDLE a firearm in order to cuck me up good so that I never think of it again but even I can watch fucking watch MORE THAN ONE WEBM. In almost every single fucking pistol engagement of almost any type you will note that someone must be shot multiple times to drop them and "drop" is the word. If they get hit in the head of the top of the spine or something they drop like a puppet with their strings cut...BUT if you just bloop them in non wital areas then they keep fighting or moving for 10-15 seconds or more until blood loss starts to cause them to stagger (they've usually now absorbed 20 odd pistol shots...most pistol killings are from multiple shooters).

It's super fucking simple. Small bullet, low power, small holes, little damage.

The idea that .45 is some sort of "man stopper" when it has already been scientifically demonstrated that it is, perhaps, 20% better at expansion just demonstrates how many of the people on this board are unironic fudds; yet probably go round using it like a fucking meme on people who question their conventional wisdom.

It goes:

If you're hit in the head with a .22 you die. If you're hit in a slow bleeding spot with a fucking .50 cal you live.

If your hit by 10 9mm or 10 .45s it is almost ALL determined by shot placement until you bleed out, and whether you bleed out is again, DETERMINED BY SHOT PLACEMENT, unless one of you're .45.s lands literally 3 centimeteres closer to the femoral artery than a 9mm.

Fucking hell, it's like half of you don't even read.

>>33391174
Not related to my encounter. Just reading up on shots to the pelvis as a immobilization tactic.