What is the best all-purpose rifle and why is it the M1A Scout Squad?

That's not an AR15

It's not because .308 is dildos.

>>33376714
You can't gray man with an AR desu

>>33376741
>gray man
>any long gun
Are you retarded or merely pretending to be retarded?

>>33376770
In an end of the world scenario people will have long guns. Black guns scare people. Hunting rifles don't. This is a compromise.

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>>33376786
>black guns scare people
>>33376711
>gun is black

>>33376786
>end of the world scenario
Anyone with a gun is kill on sight.

>>33376711
>almost 9lbs
Nah

>>33376823
With what, strongly worded hashtags? I'm guessing the powers that be will be more concerned with the millions of pissed off people in the inner cities than they'll be with bubba out in the sticks.

>>33376838
Oh, you think the evil Jews/government/lizardmen will be killing people? That's adorable. I'm talking about the other people in the sticks who were smart enough to bring an AR and a magnum bolt gun who will kill you before .308 can reach them. Don't waste your time with an "all purpose" gun. You'll just be setting yourself up for failure.

>>33376833
>imb4 obligatory "lift faggot" replies from people who have never even carried a carbine more than 2 miles

>>33376893
An AR will reach farther than a .308? Are you literally retarded?

>>33376915
>an AR and a magnum bolt gun
Reading Comprehension: Below Average
>Don't waste your time with an "all purpose" gun. You'll just be setting yourself up for failure.

>>33376711
>rendered obsolete 40 years ago
>"best"

pull the other one

>>33376931
>implying you can make a shot greater than 800m

Anon, please

>>33376995
800m with 308? pretty rad. 800m with 6.5creed? doable.

Every battle rifle should be a DPMS AR-10.
Every AR-10 should be in 6.5Creedmoor.

>>33377017
Wrong. AR fanboys are fucking pathetic

>>33376903
Carried the 240/249 the first three years of my career. Rather have an m4 and I don't care if it's only a pound difference. That pound matters to me.

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>>33376770

are you retarded?

what are foldings stocks for 300?

>>33377198
Do you need to take the mag off to extend the stock?
Looks sexy

>>33377365
Looks like that's just the magwell. I'm not seeing any stock at all

>>33376711
>>33376711
>>33376711

SKS

PROVE ME WRONG.

>>33377472
I have one and yes it fills all purposes

shooting man
shooting animal
poking things

honestly anything else is just masurbation.

>>33377440

he is correct.

>>33377198
In what universe is that discreet?

>>33378449
Idiot, he obviously wears a sick trench coat over top

>>33378468
In what universe is that discreet?

>>33378556
I'm pretty sure that was satire, autism-kun.

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Preppers are the worst thing to happen to gun culture since the AWB

>>33377472

I love my SKS but i'd like something with better capacity. Those tapco mags are trash.

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>>33377017
>every battle rifle should be in an intermediate cartridge

Anon, I...

>>33376903
Lift bitch boy

I know all of /k/ is poor as fuck but seriously, if you're gonna spend fucking $2000+ full stop on an M1A why not just save your shekels for a 17S?

>>33376741
>>33376786

Grey man guns are either concealable handguns, single-action shotguns and boltguns. Fudds don't use autoloaders and people that do will stick out.

>>33378596
This.

>>33378783
6.5 creedmoor isn't intermediate though. That's 6.5 grendel.

>>33376741
You're mother must have a hard time taking care of you.

>>33376786
>ARs draw too much attention
>better use this fuckhuge battle rifle instead

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>>33376915
AR has effective range of 600 yards
.308 has an effective range of 1000 yards

>are you retarded?
Idk anon, you tell us because obviously you know a thing or two about being a fucking retard

>>33376741
If someone can see your gun at all it defeats the purpose of your grey man faggotry.

>>33379166
No, .308 does not have an effective range of 1000 yards. In fact most loads through any rifle aren't even supersonic to 1000 yards, and many of the high BC match loads aren't when fired from a sub-24" barrel.

.308 through most battle rifles has an effective range of around 700 yards.

>>33379201
Although it is common to shoot .308 accurately up to 800 yards, it can still ring steel at 1000 yards. After the 800 mark, power and velocity drop but it will still kill none the less and its not uncommon to hit targets out to 1000 yards with it.
5.56 on the otherhand, its not common at all (especially from anything under a 20 inch barrel) to hit targets at 1000. Its not unheard of, but its no where near as easy as .308

>>33379110
Fuck outta here with your snowflake bullshit

>>33379548
They're both memes. Just correcting a dumb nigger.

>>33379166
>A weapon platform has an effective range

>compared to a cartridge

Just throw it farther anon

>>33379695
I meant to specify 5.56 under the category of "AR" since thats what most standard ARs come in. I forgot that everyone here takes things literally word for word

>>33378809
My only justification is I live in the communist hellscape known as California, where they don't even sell the SCAR nor would I bother allowing them to install all kinds of retarded shit to it since they passed new laws. M1As and other fudd rifles get a pass since all the liberal lawmakers might have had a grandpa that had one.

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>>33376786
>In an end of the world scenario
Let me stop you right there... That's not going to happen.

>>33377039
m249 - 17lbs
m4 -7lbs

you mean 10 pounds difference?

>>33379888
With all the shit they have to put on the M4, it's more like ~10lbs loaded.

>>33379260
>it can still ring steel at 1000 yards
Only out of a long barreled precision rifle. You're simply not going to do it with anything resembling a battle rifle, and you're not going to do it consistently with factory ammo loaded to mag length.

>>33379915
He was obviously comparing the unloaded weight since the same shit that goes in an M4 (optic, PEQ, maybe a foregrip) goes on an M249

>>33379950
It can be done with a scoped battlerifle. Its not easy nor is it recommended, but i can be done.
If by "precision rifle" you mean like a kimber scout rifle then yes. I have personally shot steel at 1000 yards with a kimber model 84 and that is by no means a precision rifle. I wasnt using tulammo or wolf, but i also wasnt using high dollar ammunition or specific reloads

>>33380053
>it can be done with a scoped battle rifle
Not consistently enough for anything other than "holy shit I hit it" moments unless your idea of ringing steel is shooting a junked car. This is simply a factor of the best battle rifles being 1.5 MOA at best, which is a 15" potential deviation from point of aim even when the shooter does everything perfectly.

Coupled with the fact that literally no bullet and powder combination will keep a .308 above 1150fps from a 20" barrel and hitting any standard sized steel target at 1000 yards is as much dumb luck as it is shooter ability or rifle accuracy.

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>>33376740
>hah this wound channel in my torso is irrelevant, there are better cartridges out there
>>33376986
>i am only hiding behind cover from deliberately aimed semiautomatic fire because the design of your rifle is too offensive to contemporary tastes to acknowledge that this is a gunfight
>>33376823
>b-but you were kill on sight! try that again in this doorway instead of 150 yards away tucked behind bushes!
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. does anyone even know what all-purpose means anymore?

>>33379950

>What is Special Ball

Shot too much 1000 yards with an M1A and government ammo to not call bullshit on you. Sorry Anon. And yes, it's still supersonic. And yes you can make a variety of Mexican Match by pulling the 173 and seating a 175 on top of it, but it's a little hot. Wouldn't shoot that in July or August unless it's out of a bolt gun.

>>33380137
>All these made up scenarios where you're the hero
I hear shit like this too much outside of /k/ that it's impossible to not hate American gun owners.

>>33380108
It can be done more than a holy shit moment, what im saying is it cannot be done 100% of the time and I understand that... Its a bullet, not a laser beam.

Even at a 1.5 moa, that 15 deviation can be cut down if the shooter has any knowledge in long range marksmanship. If the wind is blowing west, the bullet isnt going to skew east. Keeping in mind the drop of a bullet and its velocity, a person can more than 50% of the time hit his mark.
Why does the bullet have to maintain 1150fps. A bullet traveling at half of that speed can devastate the human body. To say no powder or bullet can keep a round in the air long enough or accurately enough to hit its destination is showinh that you both vastly underestimate the capabilities of a long range shooter and how much of an effect reloading to ones specs has.

>>33380761
Because 1150fps is the upper bound of the transonic range at sea level. Because a bullet dropping out of supersonic flight destabilizes and accuracy goes to shit.

>>33380174
>hurr an m1a can do it
Notice all the comments about barrel length? A standard m1a has a 24" barrel. And the 1000yd paper target is 9 square feet.

>>33380137
>does anyone even know what all-purpose means anymore?
It means shit at everything because the user is too stupid to specialize.
That wood stock will make a rudimentary grave marker after some fudd with a 300 win mag durr rifle puts a hole in your chest from 1200 yards.

>>33380137
>Garand
>poor man
I hate hoarding fudds so god damn much