Milsurp

>>33373656
I apologize for potato tier pictures

1940. Mostly non matching serials

>>33373656
>>33373673
That's about the going rate for a Soviet capture. Kinda sad that they go for so much though.

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>>33373656
Flat butt and open front sight is the best look for the Kar.98k.

>>33373708
the guy had a couple of them at the gun show this was like 60 bucks more than the russian captures. figured it was worth it

>>33373746
But yours is an RC, or at least the stock is.

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>>33373656
You got a fair price. Not a deal but you didn't get fucked either.

Ultimately though all that matters is you enjoy it.

>>33373832
I think im missing something here. What makes you say that? It would be kind of odd to only have a stock that was. Because I dont see any of the x's on the gun anywhere. Something on the stock?

>>33373860
Just because it doesn't have an X on the receiver doesn't mean it's not an RC.
The stock has the left side sanded down and the receiver's serial number stamped. The Russians did that.

The original stock serial number would be in the barrel channel or on the bottom side of the butt on early ones.

>>33373887

>tfw anon makes you second guess how legitimate your k98 is.

>>33373887
Yeah I see the bit of the stock that got sanded.I dont see another mark on the gun anywhere though and the numbers on the stock where the bit got sanded are different than the receiver serial. Thats kind of weird im gonna have to look into that

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I picked up a bunch of Danish M1 Garand parts today for 50 bucks. Full stock set and a VAR barrel. Did I do good

>>33373971
Then the stock is from an RC, but the gun isn't.

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>>33374003
barrel looked worse then this before I cleaned it. Best pick I could get of the bore

>>33374010
You had me sweating friend. Im buying a new stock and pretending I never read your posts.

My LGS has a restored Lee Enfield no5 mk1 for $500. All of the metal parts are a silver finish but the wood looks original. I'm not well versed in Lee Enfields but is that a good deal?

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>>33374022
>>33374010
>>33373936
>>33373971
>>33373887

I've owned this for a few years and swore it wasn't a RC, thanks for making me second guess that anon. Send help

>no sight hood

ripip

>>33374003
Fuck, yeah

>>33374044
>500 bucks for a glorified bubba
Fuck no thats not a good deal

>>33374065
Thanks.

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>>33373742
Your Gewehr 98 always gets me going. Probably the rifle I want the most, I'd love to have one.

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>>33374093
It is the most autistically-numbered rifle ever.

>>33374116
>tfw your Gew 98 is all matching minus the bolt because the Turks ruined it.

>>33374116
Kek

>>33374129
I wouldn't even mind a Turk one honestly.

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>>33374129
>tfw your Gew 98 is all matching minus the cleaning rod because Hans ruined it.

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>have zsatava 98
>no idea when or where these parts were made

all I know is that the fucking thing was made pre-1950

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>>33374166
>TFW you don't have a Gew98 yet
Maybe next month. Found a 1906 Mauser brand one for $600.

>>33374166
>tfw yours doesnt have a cleaning rod
But hey at least the only turk mark is a 3 mm crescent moon on the under side of the bolt

>>33374170
Its a Yugo referb of Gew-98s

>>33374189
>Its a Yugo referb of Gew-98s

are they original German parts? are they all reserialed parts?

What's the usual price for an AG-42B Ljungman?

Saw a Bubba'd k98k with a cut stock and barrel and a rubber buttpad glued on.

It physically hurt to look at the poor thing. Didn't even check the price.

>>33374226
$1000-1200

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>>33374170
I love that even after trying to make all their Gew.98s and Austrian M1914s into M24B short rifles the Yugos still had enough long Mausers after WW2 for somebody to go: "hey, we should make some barrels to fit these stocks".

>>33374187
>Found a 1906 Mauser brand one for $600.
You must throw it in a trench with your Winchester so they can fight.

>>33374189
>Its a Yugo referb of Gew-98s
>>33374216
>are they original German parts?
Sometimes they're built on Kar.98k receivers. I have seen ones with original German barrels like >>33374170 appears to be, and others with new Yugo-made 29.1" barrels. Have yet to see one with a Yugo-made stock though; so far all original German Gew.98 stocks.

>>33373832
>>33373887
>>33374010
Anything else that would give it away if it was a RC? I dont see any electrostenciling anywhere and ive been looking into what else may give it away

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LGS, the one with the Krags, has an 1891 Argentine in ok shape. Surface rust around the rear of the receiver and barrel bands. Greasy and dirty, possibly rusted inside the receiver. Splotchy looking but smooth bolt. No crest but visible cartouches and sound wood with a good bore. He wants $480 for it, I'm just hesitant to drop money on it(tag said $559)

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These are the first of my collection. A Romanian M44 for $250 and a Schmidt Rubin Model 96/11 for $300

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>>33374402
For $480 in that condition it should have a crest.

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>>33374452
He had mentioned bringing in his personal Enfield to let me look at purchasing it, but when I showed up he said he decided to hang on to it for a little longer. He brought 2 1942 Mosins for me to look at instead. One was obviously sanded and refinished to the point of loose barrel bands and the other one looks like the bolt was stored in stagnant water for 10 years. It was rust orange and damn near inoperable, I hesitate to think what he'd ask for them

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>>33374291
>You must throw it in a trench with your Winchester so they can fight.
Winchester, no question.

which is more well regarded for a manufacturer of an M95:

Budapest or Steyr? I plan on buying an M95 one day because I find straight pull designs to be pretty cool.

I got my Russian Capture k98k for $300. gun store thought it was a yugo.

>FFL03 came in the mail today

What should I buy first, /k/?

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>>33374714
Both are fine really, I guess Steyr might be slightly more sought after because it's a bigger name.

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>>33374714
>which is more well regarded for a manufacturer of an M95:
CZ-Brno.
http://www.victory-arms.com/Mannlicher-M95-Carbine-Czech-Made-16-S1-127

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>>33373656
>all matching (even stock) S/42 from '37 I paid 220€ for

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>>33374746
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/630896925

>>33374402

In rougher condition, with no crest, $480 is way too much. $300 is pushing it for a crusty one like that.

If you must have his, give him some time to stew and then make a much lower offer. Or buy one from somewhere else.

>>33374714

They're both equivalent. Steyr is better if you like curb-appeal but that's about it. Odds are the small parts are a mix of Budapest and Steyr anyhow (the little 'k' and 'r' markings on them tell you where they were made)

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>>33374050
pre-1939 mausers were not even slotted for a front sight hood.

it all comes down to markings.

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>>33374836

>4 grand

jesus that's 1/3 of my savings gone

>>33374836
Jesus Christ, that's beautiful. Now if only it wasn't $4k

>>33374896
call it an investment

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>>33374887

whelp

>>33374836
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/630896925
>$4k
>missing the RC receiver mark on the right side of the receiver

pleb

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>>33374887
>>33374933

>>33374933
I take it that isnt good is it?

>>33374887
>pre-1939 mausers were not even slotted for a front sight hood.
They sometimes were added if the rifle came in for repair.

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>>33374912

>tfw in 40 years the world war 2 milsurp will be insanely expensive

we are all rich men in the making.

>>33374933
>>33374949

>no reblue
>swastikas still there
>no X

not sure if you were 2nd guess anon or not, but im pretty sure that is NOT a russian capture.

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>>33374971
If you put the same amount in some low risk investments you'll make a hell of a lot more money in those 40 years.

>>33374979

I was second guess anon. And just the mention of the stock/sight post hood made me take a better look at it for some reason.

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>>33375007
yea. you're good then bro. i dont think ivan ever touched your rifle

>>33375006

yeah but I can't shoot my investments

unless they are prostitutes or something.

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>>33375006
thats not garunteed, and honestly, with milsurp doubling in price every 10 years, youll make more on the milsurp.

and you can shoot it.>>33375022

>>33374971

>Implying I'll ever sell any of this shit.

I'd call them heirlooms but they'll probably be illegal as shit up here in Canada by the time I die.

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>>33374906
Yeah that's a lot to ask. There's another on gunbroker for 5500 though.
>>33374934
Find a cheaper one chief.
>>33374971
>I'll be rich 20 years into my retirement
>But I'd have to sell the only thing I love
Thank God I have other investments.

>>33375059
You're thinking of $100 and $200 guns becoming $200 and $400, but when guns get expensive they plateau. Lugers went DOWN in price because they got so expensive no one was buying them.

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>>33374379
anyone?

I have a 1916 spanish mauser that I want to take apart and clean, but the screw on the front barrel band is stuck even after soaking it with Hoppes and wd40. How do I get it out without fucking the screw(anymore than I already have)? I've heard of using a soldering iron to heat the screw, but I don't know if that's safe. I may try it tomorrow, but any suggestions for now?

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>>33375200
Use better penetrating oil; apply some Kroil and let it work for a day or two.

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Droopy bird is best bird

>>33375059

G43s will reach a plateu and depreciate i bet. theyre shit rifles with limited parts availability.

>take apart Yugo mauser too look at barrel for numbers
>23 marked on the chamber visible above the stock
>see a 4 marked on the side chamber area that is hidden by the stock

the fuck does this mean? is this the serial number or some shit?

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>>33375288
Pay it no mind; it's only for triggering autism.

>>33375234
well I guess i'll have to buy kroil then
any thoughts on heating the screw though?

Anything I should know before feeding my Kar98k? Are there certain brands of ammo to stay away from?

Can anyone tell me where I can get good aviators

>>33375288

Milsurp stuff is full of numbers and letters and stamps. Pay it no mind if you lack reference material, it'll drive you crazy trying to imagine what it all means without it.

>>33375583
reddit.com

>>33375674
Don't be a dick

>>33375404
PPU and Sellier & Bellot are both reputable makers of unusual caliber ammo.

>>33375583

You're barking up the wrong tree

>>33375404

PPU is the best I know of for the uncommon ammo. you can easily order them from a cabelas to be shipped to you.

or if god has graced you to live near Serbia then you can buy from them directly.

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>just did my taxes
>muh refund

Surp fer 500 funbux please

Picked up a turkroach long as fuck mauser from my lgs. Normally would buy an 8mm, but the rifle is sexy as fuck imo and was only 200$. Doesn't help that 8mm round is boner inducing. If only it wasn't so fucking expensive.

>>33375886
J&G still has some Spanish Mausers in 7mm for $180. They're a little rough cosmetically, but with some TLC they make great shooters. They also have Polish-made Radom P64s in 9mm for $230, and Italian police trade-in Beretta 92Ses for $320.

>>33375886
5 nuggets 10 years ago

>>33375285
They pretty much have already.

>>33375886
Mas 36.

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>>33376064
um, where are these depreciated G43s? The only one Ive ever seen that was cheaper than my two was a barreled action.

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>>33376002
>asked my dad for a nugget for my birthday about 10 years ago
>bought me a Marlin 60 instead

>>33376367
Tbqh+ I love my model 60

>>33375886
Overpriced Russian capture Mauser or a an ok Type-99

>>33376226
They've plateaued and have sat around $2500-3000 in the last 10 years that I've looked.

I passed up an M44.
What would have been a reasonable price for one of them?

>>33375085
Use enough fucking shellac on that thing? Might as well chrome out some parts and pretend it's some weird sort of honor guard rifle.

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>>33376689
Nice. Pre-1915?

>>33376876
>I passed up an M44.
>What would have been a reasonable price for one of them?
When? In 2007? $75 bucks. Now? You'd be lucky to find one under $300.

>>33377190
It was during the weekend, and it went for about 475.

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>>33376876
these days, $200-400.

good rifles.

Alright you /k/unts. I've got cash burning a hole in my pocket.

I want some milsurp but I want it in 7.62/.308.

Poo Enfield/Spic Mauser ?

>>33377336
Spanish mausers arnt 7.62

>>33377960
The Guardia Civil and FR-8 Mausers are.

>>33377284
Lol was it an all matching polish or something? What the fuck.

>>33375072
>heirlooms
>children or other relatives get them
>they give them to the guy making the gun coffin and he destroys them for the sake of his "art"
>you get to spend the afterlife spinning in your grave

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>>33378271
>not leaving your entire estate to your guns

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>>33377013
It's a parts gun. My dad bought it for me when I graduated bootcamp. Also not shellac.
>>33377180
1st year of production.
>>33378271
That's why mine are going to a museum.

>>33377336
>Poo Enfield
How about looking for a Bong, Leaf or Burger made No4 that's been converted to 7.62?

>>33378877
Because the Ishapore 2A1 aren't conversions; they are purpose-built for 7.62NATO from higher-carbon steel and heat-treated properly for the higher-pressure cartridge. No.4 .308 conversions, aside from official ones like the L42, are not.

OP here. Pretty certain I bought a rc, it just doesn't have any commie or import marks aside the sanding on the stock which doesn't match the receiver serial. Where should I ask to confirm this? Because I guess it could have just wound up with a rc stock? (me being delusional probably)

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>>33378900
>Where should I ask to confirm this?
Kar.98k section of Gunboards, or the K98k forum.

If gun A and B were exactly the same aside the fact that gun A had no import marks. How much more would you pay?

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>>33379026
Import mark on the barrel? No premium.

Import mark on the receiver (especially the huge dot-matrix billboards Century uses now)? $50.

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>>33379026
$25-50.

>>33378885
I don't know if the steel used in the No4 changed from the SMLE but the action itself was stiffer, stronger and the locking surfaces had a larger contact area. The meme that Lee Enfields were only just strong enough to handle the .303 and not the 7.62 is just that, a meme. M59 and M80 ball are about 50,000psi. Now consider that .303 Lee Enfields in Europe are proofed at pressures in excess of 66,000psi by CIP standard, and those in 7.62 would be proofed at more than this.

There were loads of No4s converted to 7.62, unless it was done by a bubba retard, and I don't think many were, they're perfectly safe. L42A1 rifles were themselves No4Mk1 rifles converted first to No4Ts and then to L42s. These were wartime rifles, no less, not higher quality post war Mk2s.

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>>33379785
>I don't know if the steel used in the No4 changed from the SML
Anyone with a donor action of each can send them to me, I have a spectrometer.

>>33379834
I think it would be kinda neat to see what types of steel were actually used for rifles. Of course, the steels changed over time even for the same rifles.
I really want to see what a "burnt" M1903 receiver looks like.

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>>33379894
So would I. If I ever find a donor rifle I'll make up a nice little metallurgical report on them.

>>33379834
You know milsurp metallurgy is a really interesting field of research and it's a shame there isn't more easily accessible content on the internet about it. Most of what you find from basic searches is fuddlore and improperly quoted snippets of information on a forum that someone's pulled from memory of an old book.

>>33380086
Metallurgy in general is subject to a lot of fuddlore. I'd love to write on the subject as it pertains to things like milsurp, but finding samples is the difficult part. It's all destructive testing and analysis.

>>33379924
You could probably find a bubba'd low number for dirt cheap, but finding one that was overheated during forging would be a pain.

Hatcher gives the content of the steel. He called it Armory Class C AKA W.D. 1325 which was a low carbon steel.
.20%-.30% carbon.
1.10%-1.30% manganese.
.15%-.35% silicon.
and .05% of both sulfur and phosphorus. The head of Springfield did not like anything but carbon steel, which is why they never tried nickel steel or another alloy until 1927 when he retired.
>>33380086
>Most of what you find from basic searches is fuddlore and improperly quoted snippets of information on a forum that someone's pulled from memory of an old book.
The gun community is full of that shit.
The worst is actually on the "low numbered" M1903s. Hatcher said the problem was with improper heat treating, even while saying they found the problem with the FORGE shop workers overheating the metal before forging. If there was a problem with the heat treatment they would have just done the million rifles again and no one would care about it.
I think the problem was that 100 years ago Springfield didn't know the problem was right away and started changing everything. They did change the heat treatment from case hardening to a more modern and precise method though.

And then you have shit like 7.62 CETME which people wrongly assume is lower pressure (it's not) and that the Spanish Mausers were made to shoot that "lower pressure" cartridge.

>>33374954
I have one like this

>>33379075
Untrue
Some collectors like myself will not purchase a gun if it has an import mark on it

>>33380271
>You could probably find a bubba'd low number for dirt cheap
Maybe for like $300, but I'm not dropping that much on something I'm going to break apart into a bunch of different pieces and mounts.

For the record though, if anyone wants to know the metallurgical workings of something, you can send me a sample and I'll work something up. The sample will be destroyed though.

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>>33380334
>Untrue
>Some collectors like myself
He didn't ask me about you, he asked me about me. Import marks matter somewhat to me, but their presence won't stop me from buying a gun I want.

>>33380334
Depends on the gun desu. I absolutely detest the billboards on the receivers. I don't buy guns like that.
>>33380347
You can probably find one for half as much. Some guys just want to get rid of them quickly and most guys don't want a bubba'd gun especially a low numbered Springfield. Of course, the chances of it being burnt is slim as in my opinion the really bad ones already blown up or were scrapped long ago.

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>>33375745
Not the guy you are replying to but Mausers are also great for hunting (didn't put front sight hood back on in picture).

>>33375629
If random numbers and unknown markings trigger and annoy you then never pull the furniture off of an SMLE or really any British rifle with some mileage on it.
I had a No.1 MkI that had so goddamn many markings on it's knox form and barrel that it looked like it was run through a stamping press run by a dyslexic man. Even my Ishapore 2A1 has a forest of unexplained markings hiding in dumbass locations.

So I used Jasco Mineral spirits to remove cosmo from my M56, but now theres a white leftover residue on the metal and wood, what can I use to remove it?

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>>33380509
They're actually pretty straight forward. You have the inspection, acceptance and proof marks from the military and then you may have the commercial proof marks from when they left service.

The 18.5 Tons shit is what the Birmingham proof House put on the rifles when they were prooved to be sold on the open market.

>>33380537
A shop towel? When you decosmoline a weapon it's best to break everything down first. Wipe everything. I use wd40 on metal and plastic bag heat trick for the wood. It also helps if you drink a lot from whatever country your rifle is from. (For me it's stolichnya when cleaning a nugget. Straight out of the bottle)

I just got a k98k form 1938 without import marks. Sadly it doesnt even have a cleaning rod. Where can i get good accessories?

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>>33380640
Liberty Tree collectors

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>>33378788
Last year.

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>>33380708
G. 24(t)

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Have never posted my milsurp before....be gentle...i-its my 1st time.

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>>33380727
Persian Carbine

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>>33380687
Looks a little nicer than mine. Know where I can find a stacking hook?

>>33375968
Are the damaged stocks easily repairable?

>>33380744
That's pretty respectable m8

>>33380820
>Are the damaged stocks easily repairable?
They're generally not even really damaged so much as they're very, very worn. Anyhow, this guy did a refinish on one, and I think it looks pretty great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA-1uf4SB6Y

>>33380898
I see, that is a good job. I'm interested in one but if I don't get as lucky as him and get one with a crack in the stock that would cause problems, how would I go about fixing that? Noguns btw.

>>33380898
>refinish
>restoration
One thing is not like the other.

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>>33380744
Good start. What kinda Mauser?
>>33380795
I can only seem to find the Polish stacking hooks, apparently they'll fit. 98az parts don't seem to be available. I gave up on trying to find a handguard and ended up making one.
https://www.ssporters.com/product-p/1104-50.htm

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>>33380744
>M91/30 Mosin
>Brazilian 08/34 Mauser
Good start.
Is that a Czech-made one or German-made?

>>33381068
>What kind of mauser?

1954 Brazillian K98. Its chambered in 30-06

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Which one of you is it?

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>>33381068
Yeah that's probably what I'll have to do too.

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>>33381266

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>>33373656

A well made mosin nagant is a sexy and accurate beast, don't let jealous mauserfags tell you otherwise.

P.S. I like my kar98k too, though it doesn't stand a chance against this beast

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>>33381301
I owe you a case of beer.
>>33381648
You really want to poke that beehive?

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>>33381648
>jealous

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>>33381911
I'll take a case of Weihenstephan. ;)

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>>33382091
You have good taste.

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>>33381912
Respectable collection, but-
>no sniper nugget

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>>33373656
>one of these days I'll take a better pic...

Though I'm willing to bet this is the only all-matching M95M on /k/, if not the only one. It's been sporterized (stock cut down, handguard removed) and the bore shows minor wear, but still not bad for $345 at a pawn shop.

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>>33382221
Is that an original PU sniper?

>>33382249
NC has one too, but he's not on as often anymore.

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>>33382504
Love these foreign crest.

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>>33382548
I need a Brazilian.

>>33374044
Is it a real number 5 or a number 2 mocked up to look like a number 5. They used to sell kits to "make" number 5 s

>>33374270
Is that in burgerbucks?

>>33374426
Nice start!

>>33374187
Are you fucking kidding me?? Where do you find it online?

>Is it in 7.62x54R??

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>>33382548
>>33382628
agreed

>>33377336
ex israel K-98

>>33383351
Of course it is. Has the stripper clip guides.

And I bought it on gunbroker. There are 2 on there right now.

>>33375022
Hahahahah

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Are bayonets milsurp? I got one of these for my K11 from a local antique shop, and it was in really poor condition, so I got two more from CAI that were less shitty. Took them out of the safe today to clean and oil them.

Why are these things so damned dirty. There's miles of black crud in every scabbard. And the top two were Good and Very Good condition. For a country that never went to war the, Swiss sure treated their tools like they did.

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>>33383887
Yes, they are and likely from oil.

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>>33383887
>Are bayonets milsurp?
Of course.
>Why are these things so damned dirty.
>There's miles of black crud in every scabbard
They were probably dunked in warm waffenfett before being put in storage. It's all dried-out now.

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>>33383958
>waffenfett
That would explain it. Didn't occur to me.

>>33380981
>I see, that is a good job. I'm interested in one but if I don't get as lucky as him and get one with a crack in the stock that would cause problems, how would I go about fixing that? Noguns btw.
I'm not much of a woodworker, so I wouldn't exactly know. I do know that if your FFL gets it (I'm assuming you're not a C&R yourself) and there are real problems with it, you can have them send it back and get another one, just as you would with any product.

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>>33383938
I didn't know you had a 1-T. Very nice sir.

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>>33384587
Yeah, it's a shame the guy I bought I off of broke the scope. But at least the current one looks period. I'll get a proper one one there one day.

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>>33384077
Your K31 sling is on right, your K11's is not.

>>33384696
I know, The K11 barrel band was also on upside down when I got it. I blame Classic Firearms.

>>33384748
What Jew of a price does Classic have them at? Do they ship them with muzzle covers and slings?

>>33384798
It was months ago Sept/2016. I'd have to go back to look at what they charged me for the K11... Looks like it was 329 with hand select. Yeah it came with the muzzle cap and sling.

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>>33384841
That's not too bad then.

>>>>33380744
Sexy

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>>33384987
Nah, I can live with it. Just makes me want more though, and the prices are getting higher as stock has diminished.

>>33381115
That's probably called the m954. I've got one as well. How's it shoot?

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>>33385032
Yup, milsurp is an eternal curse.

Kinda miss my M39 now. Was a gift to myself when I got back from Iraq. Oh well.

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>>33382290
yes sir

>>33386747
$429 a good price for a mas 36 in ok shape?

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>>33387351
If it hasn't been sporterized or converted yeah that's a fair price. Unless it's pre-armistice, then it's a great fucking price.

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Sino Soviet 56

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Here's something that might interest you, this is the end result of bubba thinking he's a gunsmith.

Q: How do you close up the headspace on a rifle?
A: Take a hammer to those locking surfaces.

So I had this No4 in with a gunsmith to repair a cracked stock, he sends me back an email with these photos explaining that when he inspected it (which I asked him to do along with mending the stock) he noticed this shit.

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>>33387920
So what happened was bubba probably though he was being super-smart with his new ebay headspace guages and figured that whatever spec gauges these were were telling him his 1941 No4 was out of spec.

But being a retard he didn't try to change the bolt head out for a one a few thou longer, he poorfagged it up and though he'd fucknig push the locking surface forward. Yes, surface, not plural. Of course he could only reach one with his hammer so the bolt would just have to suck it up and lock on what it had.

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>>33387964
Here is the result of all his work.

I fired this rifle on several occasions and it never failed on me, thankfully. The gunsmith warned me that it might not work, but I told him to file the burr down or do whatever to get the lugs making good contact again. Thankfully, whether it was the heat treatment of the whole receiver, or whether the locking surfaces were independently hardened, it was sufficient to be returned back to normal. Headspace was corrected with a new bolt head and it passed CIP proofing.

That kind of impressed me since the rifle is very well worn. It's the first year of No4 production and the only thing left on it that's original is the receiver itself, many Enfields went through a Factory Thorough Repair but this one went through two between 1941 and 1945, and there's another marking which might possibly indicate a third; but I doubt it. Still, it's obviously seen some shit. Still shoots well despite the bore, its second at least, being very worn.

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>>33387920
>>33387964
>>33388043
That's a shame. At least it still shoots. Where was yours made? Mine was made at the Maltby factory in 41 and didn't go through FTR until 56.

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>>33389136
Maltby as well. And I fucked up, it was a '48 FTR. But it has the neat Maltby in house FTR stamp which would have been before that. I think bubba applied BBQ paint to it at some point too since the finish is mixed and weird.

It's pretty cool that yours is a 1/2, it went all the way from first year of production, earlier than mine if I'm reading that right, through the war and out the other side to an upgrade.

>>33377190
LGS has a nice looking m44 for $295+ tax

Should I get it? I already have a 91/30

>>33380744 this one to be exact. Would expand my small milsurp.

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>>33389618
>a nice looking m44 for $295+ tax
Factory of origin? Matching numbers? Refurb or not?

Thinking about buying a fal. Is this the right thread for questions?

>>33373656
I tried asking a few other places, got nowhere.

I just recently got my hands on a decent 1903A3, and now I need some stripper clips for it. Anyone know where I should look?

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>>33389618
That's an ok price these days. Not a screaming deal or anything but you're not likely to find one significantly cheaper.

>>33390020
Amazon

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>>33390020
Numrich, Liberty tree, eBay, amazon.

>>33374979
>>33374979
Russians left the reich markings intact.

Yugos machined away everything for their own markings.

>>33387920
>>33387964
>>33388043
Unfortunately, headspace is the number one fuddlore around. SAAMI ain't helping that fact by making up their own headspace gauges, for calibers like .303, instead of what the people who made the rifles used.
>>33389284
Pretty neat. It was FTR's by Maltby during the war, then by Fazakerley after the war.

>>33390212
Ever hear of a Russian rifle capture getting no commie markings? I'm fairly certain that's what I've ended up with

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>>33390291
Another on my list of acquisitions to made this year.

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>>33390327
I really want to know what the date of the Maltby FTR is. Maltby wasn't around after the war so it couldn't have been after '45, which is when the barrel dates from. But then the barrel doesn't necessarily indicate and FTR, which could have been earlier.

Apparently there isn't much know about the Maltby FTR programme.


pic unrelated, my other No4

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>>33390291
>>33390364

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>>33390427
You're making me miss having a No.4 now :(
Meh, the one I had had an ugly billboard on the receiver and wasn't matching.

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>>33390529
Very nice. I want the 1912 short rifle model though.

>>33390605
>tfw nogunz
I don't know what it's like importing old rifles like these to the US, but in Norway there's plenty of old Norwegian Krags of all kinds on the market. Long-Krag's, Carbines, Cavalry Rifles etc, all in 6.5x55

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>>33390656
They're less common here, but I of a couple reliable sources. At least for what I am looking for. Trying to directly import one would be too much of a hassle for me.

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>>33389618
So I went ahead and got the m44. Cost me $312 total. All numbers match, doesnt appear to be a refurb. Bore in excellent shape.

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>>33391086
One more pic.

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Is the finish on this legit?

The receiver is blued and polished, and it's a 1944

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>>33391180
>Is the finish on this legit?
Need better pictures; find some natural light.

To me, the stock finish looks too clean, and the rounded edges and metal sitting proud above the woodline makes me think it's been sanded and refinished.

>>33391180
I bet no.

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>>33391224
I've had people say it might have been a drill rifle.

>>33391269
>it might have been a drill rifle.
For who?

>>33375072
>I'd call them heirlooms but they'll probably be illegal as shit up here in Canada by the time I die.

How much of your money goes to Canadian gun rights groups? How much of your time?

>>33375358
Heat will not help.

You can, however, take a screwdriver bit that fits well and hold it in visegrips, then tap (not bash) many times with a small hammer to shock the threads repeatedly. That can help free the corrosion, moreson when you have Kroil or other solvents. I used a lot of Kroil until the price got stupid. I now use ATF thinned with MEK or acetone.

http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm

>>33380687
I have a Danzig 1918. Sadly no pics tho

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>>33389284
Here's a better pic of the SN. It has matching numbers, even though it got a new bolt and barrel when it went through FTR.

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Here's hoping I didn't fugg up

>>33392259
Looks decent. Might be a bring back because it looks to worn to be refurbed. If that's the case you might see what we mean about how smooth the Mas is.

>>33392277
Bring back from Vietnam maybe. That rifle was either built or refurbished post-WW2.

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>>33392293
Yeah, that's what I should have clarified.

>>33391180
Get a close up with some markings and hold a flashlight beam directly on them and post a picture

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>>33392329

>>33392200
Looks nice and clean, /k/omrade. And very early; I'm trying to remember if Maltby started production at A10000 or if they reset their serials as they changed prefix, but I don't think they did. Mine is C18466, a higher serial but an alphabetically lower prefix. This is why I need Skennerton's book, but I don't want to pay out the ass for it.

>>33392492
Looks like there is a new finish on top of the old bluing imo. But it's kind of hard to tell on a phone

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>>33392329

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>>33392824
I think that's been refinished. Look at how soft the edges of the Reichsadler have become.

>Just happen to look at armslist
>nice looking t53 for $185
I don't need it
I dooon't need it
nonononono

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>>33391490

I tithe to them regularly. Time is another matter; I run a business and they have little presence here (I live in the middle of nowhere), but I help out when I'm able to.

You're better off supporting a conservative Candidate or something most of the time anyhow. Our gun rights groups have very little presence outside of community and legal areas. Shit, the government advisory panels and legislators actively exclude any of our community or rights groups from representation. The gun lobby is basically not a thing in Canada compared to the states.

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Finn M39 Mosin I picked up from the FFL a few days ago
I think I did alright, just under $370 total

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>>33392925
Yes you do. Everyone needs more surp.

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The current family. Going to be adding a Type 99 and a Steyr M95 for $600 soonish

Post Lebels

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>>33393403
Ok.

Missed out on a M14 Gras this afternoon. Don't ever buy a Nissan.

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What do you guys take to the shitter?

>>33390212
almost all of the RCs ive seen (around 12) have had the swastikas penned off, eagles were still there though.

guess it depends which armorer worked the guns over. one of them probably had a brother killed at the front or something.

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>>33393465
i missed out an a Martz .45 luger yesterday because the timing sucked (2 months earlier or later and I could have got it)

sad_day.jpg

>>33394607
I was about to say "I'll take it" when I got called into a meeting because Nissan wanted to bitch not having enough decarb on their fucking bolts. Fuck you, you shouldn't have decarb on a fastener anyways you God damn retarded fucks.

Yes, I am still mad.

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>>33394660
damn. well throw the $$$ in a jar and wait for the next treasure i guess.

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>>33394670
Guess I'll have to. Oh well.

Mauser questions. I'm not too knowledgeable about mausers but was looking to see if I could find a cheap one on GB and saw the turkish ones going for roughtly 200-300. Anyone able to school me on turkish mausers? I was looking at the ones similar to the gew 98 They worth a buy and what should I look out for when pick one beside bore/barrel condition? I have/had a few milsurps but never got around to buying a mauser.

>>33394660
Nissan is nothing compared to Audi autism

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>>33395014
>Anyone able to school me on turkish mausers?
http://candrsenal.com/a-quick-and-dirty-guide-ottomanturkish-rifles/
http://www.turkmauser.com/models.aspx
>what should I look out for when pick one beside bore/barrel condition?
A serial-matching bolt. Hard to find in Turkish rifles, for reasons that have never been adequately explained.

Does anyone here appreciate or like mauser 71/84's

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>>33395071
>Does anyone here appreciate or like mauser 71/84's
Yes. Haven't got one yet though.

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>>33395031
If Audi is anything like VW then I'll take them every day of the week over Nissan.

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>>33395137
here is mine. All matching numbers.

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Didn't someone post on /k/ a few days ago asking for a straight-pull bolt action that wasn't a K31? How about pic related (seen at an LGS near me)?

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Seen at the same place, a bubba'd-to-fuck Mosin, only $400 bucks.

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>>33392500
This is from a book I got off Amazon. According to it Maltby didn't have a C prefix. But there was a AC prefix in late 1942. The only C prefix was a 1944 produced BSA Shirley, but your SN isn't in the right range. Do you have a picture of the SN on the stock socket?

>>33395179
Audi and VW are essentially the same thing. Autistic overly complicated shit. God I hated working on them.

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>>33395527
And here is the SN range table.

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>>33395643
On my end they're great to work with, their only big sticking points are weight. Everything has to be as light and small as fucking possible. The Japanese though.... I just don't get their thought process sometimes.

>>33395759
Honda and Toyota weren't too bad, but we called Nissan the Dodge of Japan. They did some weird stuff.

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>>33395863
Yeah, that's a pretty accurate comparison.

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>>33395071
Ive got 2.

>>33395137
im selling one for $350

just picked up a hungarian m95 all numbers match and i got a box of 1938 nazi ammo with it. $225. did i do alright? i've only ever owned nuggets as far as milsurp goes..

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>>33396315
>im selling one for $350
Pics?

>>33396443
>did i do alright?
Alright.

>>33393465
Post more lebels

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>>33396550
I really only have the one boss. I don't generally collect multiples.

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>>33396550

>>33395326
>>33395352
K R A U S E W E R K S
YO WHO TF IS THIS

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My Eddystone 1917 I finished restoring this week. One handguard needs some BLO on it since it lacks finish, but I'll get some eventually. All in all, I'm into this rifle for about $330. Really helped when the stock cost $25.

Now I need a Springfield 1903 to restore. I bought a complete stock and hardware set for $25 but needs to be sanded and re-finished because it looks like it sat in a garage for 20 years and there's no finish left.

>>33397525
Good job my man!

>>33395326

That's not a bad price. Not so sure about that wood, looks possibly refinished or cleaned.

That's a bit more interesting if the tag is actually correct, and it is in fact still in 8x50R, not 8x56R.

>>33397525

Well done Anon, looks like you struck a good balance between restored and it's original patina.

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>>33397545
>>33397577
Thanks. I actually didn't do anything with the stock. And the one handguard matches pretty well. Bubba evidently decided to sand the little grip off of the stock, but for $25 i don't care.

Here's what it looked like before. Front sight ears were cut off, but after soaking it in penetrating oil for half a day and smacking it with a brass hammer 10 times, i lucked out and the assembly came right off.

germans never stamped numbers on the outside of the stock, german serial markings are only on the inside of the wood stocks in the barrel channel area and under handguard

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>>33397791

That's not true. This WWI German rebuilt Gew.98 has serial markings on the outside of the stock. I'm sure there are lots of others marked on the outside of the stock.

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>>33397791
>>33398032

>>33397791
>>33398032
I've seen plenty of ones like that. They just didn't stamp them on the left side of the stock like the Russians did.

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How much would a Berthier M1907-15/34 Go for, I have a serious need. I know they're rare as hens teeth

Also, Reposting my Schmexy Pre-Armastice MAS 36

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why are arisaka's so attractive

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>>33398372
Grorious Nippon Steel

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>>33398372
>>33398395
Folded one gorririon time

>>33373656
Are carcanos decent rifles? Lgs has a couple around 200-220, a spanish mauser for 230 or an argentinian 1891 for 220.

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>>33398414
I have a Carcano M41. Privi Ammo is pretty cheap when you can find it. The Clips Suck, The Trigger is the Worst I have ever used on any gun, It's less accurate than my Mosin (probably due to the diameter of the bullets privi uses), The Bolt is not only Stiff, it's the only one I refuse to take apart cause of what a nightmare it is.

But Its really Purdy, so I guess there's that

>>33398332
Around $1000, sometimes more or less. Get in line though, any M34s are mine.
>>33398414
Yes, if a little...rough around the edges.

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>>33398414
I enjoy mine, but I'd get an argentinian / spanish mauser over a carcano if you're looking for a good shooter.

>>33398487
Fite me irl, you got a LeverNugget, I claim the M34

>saw a guy with a nice K31 at the range
>complemented him on it
>he goes into this spiel about how he's saving up for a $1k tacticool stock for it
>it's all I can do to stop myself from telling him what an idiot he is

>>33395527
>>33395733
Interesting, I don't have a picture but the socket is just stamped with C18466 just like the receiver is, along with ROF M

The book says "observed", so it might simply be that the author hasn't found any C prefix rifles. But I'm fairly sure I've seen evidence of some at other places on the internet. What book is it? Might be quite dated or have always been written on flawed research.

>>33395352
im more mad about that shotgun.

>>33380347
why not just use demilled guns for metalurgi tests

>>33399448
This the book I have.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0949749680/ref=pd_aw_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=XN034GGXM2G9BCVXHZGC

You might be right about the author not having seen a C prefix. I'll keep looking for more info. It's possible your No.4 is older than mine by a few months.

>>33397525
Nice work killing the value Bubba

>>33395326
Refinished stock. Wouldn't pay more than $150 for that.

>>33400244
This is where I wish I had his most up to date book, "The Lee Enfield"; it's massive and expensive as fuck but it's considered authoritative and supersedes his earlier books. Actually I emailed him some years ago and got a response, I was asking about the FTR Maltby mark. He mentioned that it certainly was a Maltby and was, as I recall, made in the last quarter of '41. I can't get onto that email account anymore since hotmail got buttfucked by Google and I don't want anything to do with the google accounts now needed to log-on.

Anyway I found a thread on a forum I used to mostly lurk where people were doing a Maltby serial number databse, right now there's one other '41 Maltby with a C prefix listed. http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=145757

It would have been cool if more of the official records and documents from the factories survived until present day, there's some shit that's just been lost to history in the space of less than 80 years.

>>33400480
Yeah a lot of stuff could happen in 80 years. Either way our rifles are pretty close.

My uncle just offered me my grandfathers IBM M1 Carbine that he used in the war for $500. Should I take it? I would probably just sporterize it, if I got it. Should I just get an Enfield instead?

>>33400265
See >>33397638
I de-sporterized it. Learn to read.

>>33400856
Why would you sporterize it? Buy a new production one if you're gonna ruin it.

>>33400856
Are you fucking trolling?

>>33399928
Usually demilled guns have welding done at some point on the receiver. This will change the microstructure (if done properly) and would ruin the meaning of any results I might get. Plus, it still wouldn't be free.
>>33398593
May the best man win then.

>>33374003
Where the hell did you get all those for 50 bucks?!?

>>33400869
Reading is hard

>>33374003
The stock set alone is worth 100-150$

Might as well hit the bump limit.

>>33395227
Wait, did you win that on Gunbroker?