Which is better?

>>33372321
glock 19

One is still in military service around the world and was used by most military's at one point. It is also still fairly competitive even in the modern world.


And the other is the 1911

>>33372321
Between these two?
Point for point the Hi Power. Don't get me wrong both are pretty good, the Hi Power is just better.

>>33372364
Aren't the muhreens still using some 1911s?

>>33372381
The only downside with the Hi-Power is the magazine safety and shitty trigger.

>>33372389

Yes, some but not in widespread use

>>33372321
M1911. It shoots .45 ACP, is accurate, and reliable.

>>33372389
No! We're still using M9s. 1911s only exist in the paper armory.

>>33372408
>tfw the M1911s we were supossed to get through the CMP are going to get destroyed because of John McCain

>>33372321
The one with more stopping power.

Hi-power has a horrible trigger and mag disconnect safety and there are much better options now. The 1911s only problem is its capacity and it is at least relevant when compared to newer guns.

>>33372440
And the M1911 is somehow not oudated and impractical compared to the HI-Power?

>>33372406
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

the delusion of 1911 fags is astounding. just like /pol/ they plug their ears and refuse to listen to reason when presented with the compelling evidence that their beloved thing actually isn't 100% perfect.

Pro-tip, if the 1911 was good, it'd still be in service. Instead, modern militaries have gone with hi-capacity sidearms in 9mm because they're much more cost effective, useful, and practical for all situations.

I know your "pee-paw" told you the 1911 was the best pistol ever made, but he also didn't have a HS diploma and had fewer teeth than fingers, so his opinion isn't really worth dick.

>>33372336
Irrelevant and gay

>>33372453
If you use 10 round magazines it's pretty comparable to most other .45acp guns. It's one of the most accurate and comfortable guns on the market and everyone tries to replicate it's trigger. The hi-power is worse than a Glock in almost everyway.

>>33372416
They are still fine afaik,no melting in their future.

>>33372516
Modern militaries adopt whatever is the cheapest or most political. We started using 9mm luger as a standard round because NATO forced us to.

>>33372533
Wow, the magazine disconnect is easily removable and vastly improves the trigger pull. Ur acting like these are not fixable things.

>>33372321

>Yes.

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>>33372406

Kek, this anti-fudd shit makes me laugh for some reason. But it's also completely true, fuck .45 users

>>33372321
1911 you heretic

>>33372336
Fagot

>>33372569
It's by no means a bad gun, but compared to most popular 9mms it's just not as good. Lower capacity, heavier, less aftermarket support, etc. You can say the same about the 1911, but most of those things apply less when you compare it to other .45s and it has some advantages.

The Hi-Power

>>33372408
What is the MEU SOC and M45A1?

>>33372640
>lower capacity
Seeing how the universal standard for 9mm handguns is usually 15 rounds, it's only 2 rounds less than most 9mm handguns like the P226, Beretta 92, etc. (Mec-Gar even makes 15 round mags that are flush fit.)

>heavier
Subjective, I find it easy to carry and it's all steal construction helps soak up recoil.

>aftermarket
It has a very healthy aftermarket, you can change the sights, grips, safety, hammer, springs, etc. to your liking or preference with a bunch of components made by various manufacturers.

>>33372640
Never had issues finding BHP bits. Not as easy as 1911 or Glock, but not impossible.

>>33372758
Standard is more towards 17 rounds now, and those same aftermarket magazines give the 92fs and sig 18 rounds, so it's lower. I agree with you on weight, but it seems like we are a minority now. Compare the aftermarket to a Glock or Beretta. It's an amazing gun, but it just didn't age as well as the 1911 and no one compares modern guns to it as a benchmark anymore. That doesn't prove that the 1911 is better, but it says something about the two designs.

>>33372640
>less aftermarket support, etc. You can say the same about the 1911

NOPE

>>33372793
That was my point. You can do pretty much anything to a 1911, Glock, or Beretta which is an advantage over the hi-power.>>33372856

M1911A1 vs Hi-Power? Hi-Power. 1911s in general win though, since you can now get double stack 1911s in fucking 10mm with better capacity than the Hi-Power in 9mm.

>>33373172
>double stack 1911 in 10mm
Gee you might as well weld two 1911s together and call it twice as good!

Fucking retard.

>>33372321
BHP. There's a reason half the western world used it.

>>33372321
/thread

>>33372321
Food for thought:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Hi%20Power%20or%201911.htm

As it relates to defense i could see making an argument being made for either.

1911:

Dat trigger

fuddy five

with 8 rounder in her and a 10 round spare thats 18 rounds

typically more accurate for range use

most intuitive manual safety of any handygat imho

hipower:

some would argue tends to be slight more reliable but idk senpai

13rnds per mag standard

9mm masterrace

honestly drawing a blank after those two...

personally id go with the 1911 if i could only own one.

>>33373206
Thank you for you contribution. 10mm with a metal frame is easily manageable and a double stack 1911 isn't larger than any other double stack like... oh I don't know... the fucking Hi-Power?
I used this rather silly example to show how comically outdated the Hi-Power's once lauded capacity is.

>>33373302
But thats just because i feel that there are half a dozen(or more) modern handguns that do everything a hipower does over a 1911 but better. OTOH I can't think of a single modern handgun that does everything a 1911 does but better when you throw the trigger, aftermarket, caliber, singlestackness, ergos, and weight into the mix.

>>33372389
>>33372364
SWAT units and Navy seals all still use 1911s. Most seals carry their own personal 1911s.

>>33372516
what are you talking about /pol/ for? I wish I could see what destroyed you so completely you felt the need to vent on another board in a completely unrelated thread

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There can be only one.

The correct answer to this is the Colt Python

>>33372516
Because the m9 was so much better right? Also, just because you jackasses replace a weapon, doesn't mean its better, you guys would probably adopt the ak style rifles if russia said it would repair all diplomatic ties with the US of A, but please, try and tell me that im wrong. Also, lol, you think we give a shit about /pol/?

>>33372585
Devgru is ruskie right? Why the hell are they using the same pistol caliber as basically every NATO country?

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>>33374052
This man preaches the truth.
The revolver, pistol, and the holy nutrient.
Praise be the wood'n blue
Amen

>>33372392
Magazine disco removal is known as a 15 minute trigger job in the HP community.

Take that fucking thing out it shoots a lot better.

>>33374376
I'd siuck your dick for either of those.

>>33372321
Owning both

>>33372336
You are a gaynigger from outer space.

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>>33372321
the ultimate evolution of Browning's designs.

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>>33374352
Devgru is ST6. You literally could have just googled that.

Better question
Nighthawk, WC, or Dan W?

>>33372640
So an extended mag that sits well below the Frame of an already large pistol is acceptable compared to modern 45s, but a flush 15 and extended 20 isn't OK compared to the average 17-18 in modern fullsize pistols.thats before we even get into how wildly common trigger mods have become, most of which come down to weight while still feeling shitty. Gtfo of here

>>33372856
The advantage of the 1911 design is being used by service members for 85years and comp shooters who were often the same people.

In the US there was plenty of motivation to put a fuck of a lot of work into figuring out what makes a good 1911. If the HP or any other gun for that matter had been placed in its stead, you would have very similar outcomes

>>33375652
Dan Wesson isn't a "custom" shop and NOBODY should ever bother with nighthawks bullshit. There are literally a dozen better custom shops/builders that are better than nighthawk

>>33375470
Sorry mate, was think of the plain old GRU

>>33373771
that's because the fuddy five is naturally subsonic.

>>33376748
and naturally louder with a suppressor than naturally subsonic 147gr 9mm.

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>>33375180
>repros cost $2.5k
>legit ones are impossible to find and even more expensive

>>33376452
>If the HP or any other gun for that matter had been placed in its stead, you would have very similar outcomes
look at cz75 and its clones. its basically the HP 2.0
those guns are probably some of the most winning 9mm in competition shooting

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>>33373206
>he doesn't own two 1911s welded together

>>33375652
Cabot

>>33372564
>NATO forced the US military
Nigger, what you been smokin?
It's allways been the other way around. The US has the biggest clout in NATO. Other countries follow it's lead, not the other way around.
If the US military didn't want 9 mm, it would not have gotten it.