Middle Eastern Wars thread v.XX1

is the middle east pretty much just our permanent chess board?

>>33370210
Hopefully they genocide the jihadis and their supporters in Ghouta tomorrow.

>>33370439
Yep. Am i an asshole for enjoying war like a game i get to observe?

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>>33370474

>tomorrow.

came early

Rockefeller dead!

jeez, allegedly 70+ dead on gov't sides so far in Damascus. That's coming from a pro-regime twitter dude.

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>>33371460
also worth noting is the obvious composition of the SRG, literally every obituary the guy is from Latakia or Tartus.

>>33371460
>>33371482
all the children of wealthy families were stationed down there so no surprise a lot of the silver spooned alawites were killed

I'm not familiar with them, so give me a quick run down of the YPG and YPJ. All I know is they're Kurds that love to fight, and the YPJ is women volunteers so they probably don't fight.

>>33371859
use wikipedia faggot

>>33371976
No, I want a quick rundown.

>>33372016

This is going to be real quick.
- both are militias
- both are predominantly Syrian kurds
- both are affiliated with the main Syrian kurd political party, PYD
- both accept foreigners into their ranks, who do not have to be kurd or even muslim. But those are barely being paid.
- YPG: men only
- YPJ: women only
although I bet there are exception
- Both have been involved in battles. Kobane is just one example
- both have so far avoided serious breaches of human rights and laws of war
- both have had some of their fighters issued with suicide belts. Being captured by IS is bad, bad bad.
- as kurds, they are probably mostly sunnis or shias.
- both have leftist policies. But there is a difference between having political ambitions and government experience.

>>33372159
>>33372016

>Continued rundown
>TURKS absolutely hate the YPG
>Sees them as terrorists
>Have bombed a few Turkish cities
>

>>33372159
>Syrian Kurds
>Shia
What cave did you come out of Ali Haidar?

>>33372244

I am willing to be enlightened. If you have an updated estimate handy for the religious percentages of Syrian Kurds, post it.

>>33372204
cont rundown

many western govs give worse treatment(even jail time) to YPG/YPJ returning from abroad than ISIS members who are usually "reformed"

foreigners usually are kept in the rear echelon due to possiblity of capture by isis

>>33372318

On the other hand there are western govts that don't punish returning YPG/YPJ fighters at all. Like Norway, and iirc USA. It's the returning ISIS guys whose returns are greeted with torches and pitchforks.

>>33372305
Kurds may as well be 98% Sunni. Often more laid back Sunni. They are accused of being "atheists" cause their approach to religion isn't uber pious. Then there's a handful that are Yazidi, not Muslim.

>>33372346
Why do norwegians have to mention where they are from every other post? I don't understand this mentality, and neither do I understand why you're using a trip.
5 star contributes with a ton of info, but from you I've not seen much other than the occasional reuters article or a reference to some norwegian paid news journal that no one can read or check sources on. I would recommend ditching the trip since it does not help contribute to the thread or serve any actual purpose other than attention seeking.

>>33372388

I know 'sunni' is about as precise as 'christian'. But I am surprised they are that predominantly sunni even so. While I realize all data I get hold of gets outdated faster than milk, I was of the impression that Iraqi kurds were something like 55% sunni and mostly shi otherwise. And that therefore the situation would be somewhat similiar in Syrian. But I accept having assumed wrong.

>>33372459

Aren't you a happy camper. I live in a small country very far away from the Middle East but I still try to contribute since the ME events affects my country directly.

Incidentally, I don't know what a 'trip' is. Honestly. Is it something important to you?

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>>33372499
You post about your opinions, speculation and so on, discussing current events. There's nothing wrong with that, but it does mean that there is no reason for you to be using a trip, it's bad board etiquette. Pic related.

>>33372586
well for one it isn't a tripcode but just name

>>33372463
I may be retarded but i am pretty certain Shia Kurds are insignificant, if they even exist in numbers worth speaking about. Maybe in Iran?

>>33372586

I could think of a few other things worth fixing on this forum that should be more worthy of attention, but I have noted your opinion. Maybe I will change it in time. In the meanwhile I delight in the way it helps me do a page search and find my previous posts. Particularly in huge threads like the ME ones.

Also Arctic it's cute you wanna learn but usually it's people who matter who namefag not nobodies. I've been making these threads and reading about this shit for like 5 years straight but i don't namefag.

>>33372764
More or less this, they make sense for someone who is actively contributing something to the board, when someone's sharing information or answering questions in a thread where the identity of the poster is important. Here on /k/ Oppenheimer is probably the best example, and 5 star sort of falls into that category too.
But if you're just a normal poster then it's usually just pointless attention whoring.

>>33372764

That is an interesting point. That a nick on a forum should matter to anybody but the poster is a slightly alien concept to me.

>>33372463
>I know 'sunni' is about as precise as 'christian'.
No, 'sunni' would be as precise as 'Protestant'.

>>33370210
Sooooo, any opportunities for Westerners to go there and get some or will it all be dried up this year for that?

>>33372905

You are right, that's a more precise comparison.

>>33372204
>>33372159
So the YPG and YPJ are the good guys, and the Turks are roaches?

>>33372859
You must be new here. or maybe just too much of an ignoramus to understand that that was quite literally one of the original points of 4chan. namefagging was only created to allow the occasional quality contributor to maintain a sense of identity for the duration of a thread or in reference to a specific subject matter that they had an above layman's understanding of.

>>33372974
they've both murdered enough civvies, or in the case of ypg are strongly affiliated with groups that have done so that it would be silly to apply such terms to them. but the turks are notably more roachish than they are imo.

>>33372974

The Turks aren't evil. For one thing Turkey is run by one group of asshats but there are several people groups and a political opposition as well. Erdogan and his party have a particular dislike for kurds because they are a substantial minority in Turkey who have fought for independence since what, the 1950s? And their party, and their militia the PKK have fought a long and hard campaign - and the rulers have kicked hard back, eradicating kurd villages and putting kurds in prison. And worse. But it explains why Erdogan don't want to give the kurds in Iraq or Syria or in Turkey as much as a bag of sand. If they all croak his reign will just grow stronger.

>>33373049
The same old song and dance of what happens when some british faggot decides to draw all the ME's national borders based upon how to best divide up the regions divisive ethnicities to prevent any powerful nations with a coherent sense of identity.

>>33370210
>the civil war Obama started to change the regime resulted in Assad becoming a full-on Russian vassal and the total death of political Islam as an accepted ideology
>and will be finished mere months into President Trump's term

my fucking sides, how mad is Barack right now?

>>33373148

Same shit different wrapping, agreed. Although if the Brits hadn't done it the French would have. Or the Germans, or the Italians. Nowadays other nations are picking up the pencil but it remains the same story.

>>33373187

Say what? How long do you think Assad and Russia have been a love story?

>>33372459
it's just one turbo autist who started following the war yesterday and keeps spewing misinformation about basic things

>>33373211
some decades but Obama wanted to steal Syria from the Russian sphere but instead turned it into a Russian occupation zone

>>33373187
>Finished in mere months
Lol Spicer are you posting on 4chan?

>>33373327

I don't remember events that way, but if so then that would be the stupidest thing since radioactive toy sets for kids. Russia's interests in Syria has always been clear - their naval base. Assad has always been just a tool to achieve it with. Since the Russians lost interest in communism, anyway.

>>33373427
I don't even think the naval base was/is that massive of a deal. It was a Russian political power play. Putin's "make Russia great again" kind of move. Sweep in as the hero where America failed again and again and bring peace to the middle East. Of course that isn't gonna happen but he hopes you'll view him in that light. Russia wants to be a global power again. Well they are, but more so I mean.

ISIS and Islamists gave Putin the perfect infallible (to the media) trump card to back Assad. Etc etc. I could go in better depth but I'm on my phone in class.

>>33373466
This coupled with the theatre of war to sharpen their skills. As a general it is always fun and productive to have a live fire playground to play in. I feel like Russia's involvement in Syria is a lot of posturing and less tangible things. They're puffing out their sphere of influence trying to saying America aint the only big boy in the ME now.

>>33373501
And of course these less tangible things (influence, prestige, etc) later on translate into tangible things in the future, hence laying the foundation that Russia is currently doing.

>>33373466

As far as I can tell, it's the only Russian naval base in the Mediterrean. They have at least one in the Black Sea, but that's on the other side of the Straits. Considering how bad shape the Russian fleet is in, I think they'll be severely inconvenienced if they lose that base. Not to mention that fleet manuevres in the Med will be a bit more difficult to justify politically.

>>33373624
Erdogan knelt down and kissed the ring, the bosphorous isn't an issue, they have Sevastopol. But i understand it would be nice to have another port.

>>33373651
>the bosphorous isn't an issue
What is the Battle of Galipoli?

>>33373651

What Erdogan said half a year ago, and what he says next week - never mind what the guy eventually following him says - is not necessarily the same thing. I would not be happy to be a major power and rely on his goodwill. Besides, distances matter. When Putin sent off his two biggest ships a few months ago, one had a broken turbo engine and they were practically moving along with oars. And Sevastopol itself is technically within Ukrainian borders. Not important right now but the Ukraine issue is not resolved.

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>>33370573
oh yea

>>33373427
>nonono Russia only cares about glorious Syrian nation, not its ruler for the last 55 years
???

it's time to stop posting, famalam. you don't look smart

>>33373396
>stop funding jihadis
>stop playing fuck-fuck games with Putin
>start getting serious about helping the SDF
>ISIS immediately collapses and the "moderate" jihadis are left standing with their dicks in their hands
and that's just the last two months.

not even a trump fag here, just fucking hate what Obama did to the middle east

>>33374035

Sure Russia has the best interests of Syria in mind. That's like saying France was in Algerie because they cared.

>>33373466
There is also the issue of the pipeline from SA through Syria and to europe

>>33374102
>being so autistic it interferes with your reading comprehension
I can't even tell what you're trying to argue here

>>33374106
>2011+6
>still using pro-jihadist still maps from liveleak
sage

>>33374115
>everything I don't understand is a secret oil pipeline!!
fuck off Pepe Escobar

This must be the least informative MEG in weeks.

maybe the MODS (who are tremendous fags btw) could do a favor and just cull this terrible thread and we can start a fresh one.

next time, If you cant be arsed to google the basics, and dont have any idea what you're talking about you could just STFU and lurk until you know enough to participate.

>>33374190
Have a (You) and an upvote

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>>33371859
YPG/J are the armed wing of the PYD (Kurdish socialist party). YPJ, which is the females, absolutely do fight and are not just for propaganda. PYD's ideology stresses multiculturalism so the YPG made enough friends with nearby non Jihadi Arabs and Assyrians that they created the SDF, the syrian democratic forces. This a secular, federalist anti ISIS coalition of YPG and friends.

PYD's type of socialism is not the USSR kind, it's called democratic confederalism and is more like anarchism in how it places huge emphasis on direct democracy.

YPG accepts western volunteers, but prefers leftists. There's a subsection within the YPG called the international freedom battalion which consists of communist and anarchist revolutionaries from around the world.

>>33374146
liveleak? fuck you autist

>>33374204
So I take it they wouldn't like having a National Socialist in their ranks...

>>33374190
>not caring about the middle eastern nation of Norway
fuck outta here cuck

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>>33374190

>>33374331
about as much as they'd want someone with downs-syndrome, Seeing as how they're along the same operational level.

So any cool new videos of sand niggers losing body parts?

Bonus points for ISIS.

>>33374604
Typical lefty response

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>>33374788
WOOO! SIEG HEIL!

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>>33370254

>>33371859
YPJ fight. You can see one of them here in a mixed unit shooting at a suicide bomber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3HSKV98po

HTS trying to look operator as fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQduzl5JgCU

>>33375199
Noguns fag here, what's the pistol they're training with?

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>>33375199
just wtf am I looking at here?

>>33375222
probably a glock knockoff, one looks like a hi-power though

>>33375290
Is this a drone dropping a bomb?

>>33375199
>some of them have legit gear now, might even have rifle plates in it

Looks like it's time to swithc back to the M16 for that 20" goodness

>>33375329
Yeah, PMU have started jamming them. What I want to know is what ordinance are they using? Is that some little 37mm mortar?

>>33375371
40mm grenade, DIY housing/fins

>>33375329
Mortar round, but yeah basically.

>>33375380
Thanks, this place is a goldmine of info.

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>>33375290
isis drone, lower yield mortar

>>33375430
>33375430 ▶
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>>33375290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgGNFoDKk1E&index=79&list=FLgUwKwi-AybH_HyHVIQStgw
cool music

>>33375397
defo not mortar round, thatd be too heavy.

>>33375397
some of them look like 40mm rounds with badminton wings attached

>>33375222
>>33375275
beat to shit glock 17

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note the caliber difference

>>33370210
Is that an East German AKM (specifically MPi-KmS, the side-folding variant) that guy on the left is holding? It looks like one to me based on the stock and the handguard, but I'm not good at IDing specific AK variants. If it had the fixed polymer stock with the pebbling on it or that weird grip with a smooth line running through the texturing visible, then it would be easier. It's definitely not a Type 56 is all I can really say for sure.

>>33370573
According to someone who asked me about my hobbies, yes. They were seriously freaked out that I follow Syria play-by-play, blow-by-blow like a sports fan. They did think it was funny that my hobbies are guns/knives/weapon stuff, following foreign wars, watching and collecting messed up documentaries and horror/crime/exploitation/generally-edgy movies, true crime and history books, yuri manga, and gardening/floral arrangement (both western and ikebana style).

>>33375199
That's Malhama Tactical, right?

Wonder what's gonna happen to John Cantlie. I'm like 95% sure he'll just be found in years time as a corpse in a ditch, and that will be depressing. A part of me really wants it to come down to it and some ISIS fighter is just like whatever, go, get out of here. Then he writes a hell of a book.

>>33376251
I know East German AKs do exist in Syria. If that's one, i couldn't tell you.

>>33376364
They are saving him for a big PR video, i'd imagine he's either dead already or will be very shortly as Mosul continues to fall.

>>33376355
The most operator fellows are Malhama yes, they are being employed to train the HTS recruits.

>>33376378
I wonder if he's in Mosul. Suspenseful, but i have a feeling he isn't.

>>33376390
He has been in Mosul the past few videos, including very recently surveying airstrike damage throughout Mosul (they were making it look like they were only killing civilians) and then going through an assault on ISF and combing through the still burning wreckage and dead bodies

He looked very, very weak in that video, like he had been starving for a while already

>>33376404
That was mid December though, when was Mosul officially pocketed? When was the Nineveh pocket created? He could be in Tel Afar, it'll be interesting if he is in the pocket. But i have a feeling he's in Raqqa.

>>33376251
Looks to me like it is. The mechanism on the stock looks right as does the handguard (although he's got his hand covering the telltale grooves.
The only other side-folder you commonly see there are Romanian and those usually have the dong grip on the handguard.

>>33376429
Personally I think its more likely he was killed before he was moved judging by his condition but you could be right about Raqqa

>>33376355
I don't know, but where the fuck do Malhama get money for their gear, and who are they? They're obviously not your typical jihadi mooks. Are they ex military from some nearby country that decided to flip and go jihadi like those Mexican special forces guys who started Los Zetas, or are they just wealthier foreign-sourced jihadis from Qatar or wherever that watch Travis Haley videos and left home with a bunch of tacticool gear? I've read that they're a PMC, but affiliated with Tahrir Al-Sham. Are they like the jihadi answer to western PMCs that won't contract with terrorist/rebel groups, or do they just call themselves that because it sounds cool? Are they mercenaries with jihadi sympathies, or are they jihadis who contract out to other jihadis to train their cannon fodder?
>>33376364
He'll probably end up killed on camera or just disappear without a trace like every other hostage in the region that hasn't been paid for by a wealthy foreign interest or been traded for prisoners or a political goal (like withdrawal of troops or civilian contractors from the region). Do we even know for sure that he's being forced to produce propaganda videos hasn't gone all Stockholm Syndrome and started doing them willingly?

>>33376486
Their gear isn't particularly noteworthy, they just have optics and platecarriers which 90% of the the half serious jihadis have.

They are led by former Russian nationals who had experience fighting in the 2nd chechen war iirc and the insurgencies that followed in Dagestan.

Seriously though, their gear isn't anything special and theres less than 10 of them, the blackmarket is FILLED with this shit and they are getting money to provide training to other groups

>>33376504
The founder is an Uzbek national, I thought? Or is he just an ethnic Uzbek?

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>>33374331
Probably not legit nazis, but they do accept right wingers as well. The main critera seems to be wanting to fight isis.

>>33376486
I don't think they actually fight or are a military force, they are purely trainers for hire. Interesting niche market to fill, mujaheed training. I feel like they probably aren't just in it for the money and are Muslim sympathisers themselves. If they are really just there for the money thatd make for quite the interesting business venture.

>>33376557
I believe a good chunk of them are Uzbek. Former Uzbek some-kind-of-special forces, the Twitter theories tell me.

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>>33374331
well, actually...
lol

>>33376557
>>33376587
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/10/the-world-first-jihadi-private-military-contractor-syria-russia-malhama-tactical/

Great article on them.

> It consists of 10 well-trained fighters from Uzbekistan and the restive Muslim-majority republics of the Russian Caucasus. But size isn’t everything in military consulting, especially in the era of social media.

Mixture of Uzbeks and Russian nationals.

>>33376575
They do actually fight from time to time (they were pretty active in Aleppo a year or so ago, from what I've read), but most of what they do is training and gun running. I've got to give them a hand for realizing there's a untapped market for this kind of stuff if they're in it just for the money, even though HTS are absolute scum. I mean, hell, if I were an unemployed vet from Egypt or Jordan or wherever and wanted to make some decent cash quickly, I'd probably do the same thing. If they're just tacticool HTS sympathizers pretending to be PMCs, then they can get fucked, though. They're shitstains, but at least they're interesting shitstains, I guess.

>>33376599
>tfw you will never own a legit Type 56 with the fold-out bayonet and the round-hooded sight
I don't even care about the giggle switch; just give me a Chinese AK with the original SKS-style bayonet and Chicom blonde handguard so I can ruin its value by slapping a Russian triangular sidefolder, a Yugo M70 grenade-launching sight, and a comfy polymer grip on there.

>>33375267
Jews and Arabs is close related people actually

>>33374146
>TFSA driving wedge between SDF/Kurds in Afrin and Manbij and butting heads with the SAA
>Nusrafags punching out of the confines of Idlib's borders
>Palmyra back in SAA/RA control
>Rebels in Daraa spilling out
>Raqqa cornered by the SDF

Nigger, this is as current and accurate as you can get from a third-party source outside the Livemaps.

>>33375242
wait, 2 SPGs together? I haven't seen that

>>33376599
The Roman salute is still a big deal in the Levant, you know.

>>33374204
>YPJ, which is the females, absolutely do fight and are not just for propaganda.

I wonder why people are so desperate for this to be true

>>33375248
are those mi-28 havocs?
is there official footage of those in syria?
was wondering already, when they randomly showed one in a guardian report about mosul.

Looks like the rebels are trying to link their pockets, but it's questionable.

They've lost hundreds of men already. The airplanes are bringing hell to them.

Syrian ground forces are looking like shit in that area though. But they've head the line after losing some initial ground.

Reminds me of the Aleppo breakthrough. Rebels are doing this out of desperation.

>>33377774
have feeling rebels offensive will fail they will lose men and it will result with fall of those areas

>>33377774
>>33377803
has there been any good footage from there, say from anna news or others?

>>33372659
The only Kurds who are Shia are the Feyli Kurds who live in areas of Iran and Southern Iraq. Even in Iran they are mainly Sunni, Kurds are the largest Sunni group in Iran.

Don't forget the Kurdistan Islamist insurgency was raging as soon as the Americans invaded Iraq before the Arabs went ape shit themselves.

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https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/844148227117142016

Quite the tussle in Damascus suburbs. I don't see the purpose though? It's not like the rebels can with outright there, they must know this. Maybe I'm not understanding their metagame.

>>33378407
on TV they said this way they could weight in in talks that are scheduled in 2 days

Any more news about that Apache chopper that attacked a refugee boat off the Yemen coast?

>>33375571
>caliber difference
What difference?Both are 23mm.They just ran out of spare barrels for the Shilka an just put in place air-cooled one from a zu-23.They are the same gun with the same mechanizm firing the same round.

>>33378896
Oh, derp. I was under the impression one was 14.5mm the other 23mm.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjk906Xie9M

>>33377654
wow, all the latest developments from a month ago.

>>33378862
That pilot is the hero we need right now, Italy and Greece should be taking notes.

>>33379131

The attack happened at 3am. Dunno how much sunlight there is there, at that hour, this time of the year. I am curious as to how the chopper was even recognized to be an Apache. Incidentally, the Saudis operate Apaches but they are not alone in that. Conceivably the boat could be mistakes as a Houthi job but it is hardly unusual to have refugees in the area.

>>33372974

Syria resembles WH40K in the sense that there is no "good" side to the conflict. SDF is definitely the faction that is easiest to have sympathies for, though.

Pro rebel sources spamming about Hama. HTS has used two VBIEDs on Souran. Same Hama shit again minus Jund Aqsa.

What surprised me about Hama was the SAA counter attack never fully pushed rebels from places like Taybat al Iman. The SAA should have used their counter attack months ago to move them back to the original , well made SAA Hama defense lines but instead they have to deal with yet another offensive close to Hama city.

>>33379475
Lastly I have little information on Jobar and Qabon industrial area battle. The SAA has sent a ton of reinforcements to hem the rebels back into Jobar. Rebels still hold parts of area they advanced into the first day. Control is iffy for both sides.

>>33375224

Lol, the fucking Iraqis are incapable of learning.

>>33375242

nice miss.

Too bad they haven't calibrated their little Nintendo contraption.

>>33375261

This is live proof that SVIEDs are only dangerous against third rate armies which lack even the most basic of training.

How does the Iraq Army movie its personnel anyway? Rotating the divisions or just sending in fresh units as they can raise them?

>>33378957

Nah, bro, you're just a basic bitch with no weapons ID knowledge.

>>33379565
cradle 2 grave

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>>33379475
Also to note the Chechens, Turkestan and Uzbeks are involved in the new Hama offensive , we'll probably see these Ajnad Al Sham guys again.

>>33379097
>these fucked up teeth & tongue
what the fuck?

>>33379823
Nice vid, whats the source

>>33380040
I honestly don't know, picked it up from the last thread. The missile hitting a wire was pretty interesting so I decided to save it.

>>33376486
I dont imagine he has much of a choice in making the videos.

>>33372783
this is like ego lifting, but with a gun

Update on the battle in Hama.

The town of Souran and Maardas have been evacuated as the rebels have pushed deep into both towns. Russian choppers are now taking part in airstrikes against rebel units.

Fighting is about to begin in Khattab with reports of preliminary artillery strikes most likely being used by the rebels to soften up SAA targets.

>>33375454
how can they be that bad at parimiter defence?

>>33381136
video is of the fighting in Hama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JIeWGruask

>>33381160
It's a fight in the middle of a fucking city, what do you expect

>>33381184
this, also they most likely do have good perimeter defense. But what is probably lacking is their AT weapons or anything that can disable a fast vehicle that is heavily armored (for light vehicle standards) which comes out of nowhere, which is and of itself a hard thing to defend against.

>>33375242
its pretty bad when you miss in your own propoganda

Rwar xd

>>33372388
>atheists
I think the word you're looking for is apostate

>>33375242
>want to make a propaganda video in order to gain more converts and put fear in the hearts of the infidels
>shit we missed...that doesn't look good
>LOL UPLOAD IT ANYWAY.

Seriously?

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Supplies meant for SAA troops in Deir Ezzor missed their drop mark, ISIL is gonna be happy about the extra supplies since they' having their supply lines strained from their territory in Raqqa

>>33381549
they're*** fug

>>33381549

I don't understand. In this day and age, a drop can't be secured by a remote detonation? Or even a chopper missile to take it out if it mislanded?

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>>33381578
this is russia and the SAA man, think about it

>>33381347
no, atheists. Very common slur against them is "PKK Atheists."

>>33381375
>>33381240
further in the clip you see them dragging wounded away, and then he takes a 2nd shot that lands closer. Yea missed the BMP but wounded someone so I guess they thought that worthy of putting in the video.

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HTS VBIED, Hama, used an uparmoured T-62 chassis packed to the brim.

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HTS operating captured T-90, Hama

>>33382378
>>33382354

I'm behind on the times who are the HTS? some new ISIS tier dicks?

>>33382378
and how the hell did they steal a t-90 from the syrians?

>>33382562
HTS = Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham (Levant Liberation Committee).

They were a merger of JFS (Jabhat Fatah al Sham) and a chunk of Ahrar al Sham and some others.

I don't know the total composition breakdown, but HTS is the latest form of Jabhat Al-Nusra, (formerly) Al Qaeda in Syria. Though I guess they are sort of a hybrid now.

>>33382562

The Syrians abandon shit all the time. It's entirely likely that they took a non-fatal hit and bailed out in a panic, then these guys capture the position and claim a T-90.

>>33382562
and the T-90 was given to random Shia/Hezbollah foreign militias as a gift by the regime, for whatever reason I don't know, but of course this militia just went and abandoned it intact to the enemy.

>>33381578
Storing explosives with every supply dump seems like an extremely inefficent solution if they happen to do an inaccurate drop one in fifty drops.
Sending a helicopter or jet to destroy a single supply drop definitely not be very cost effective either. Let IS have the supplies, what good will it do them in a week or two?

>>33382607

>They were a merger of JFS (Jabhat Fatah al Sham) and a chunk of Ahrar al Sham and some others.


So essentially the West Syrian branch of ISIS?

>>33382619
>>33382623

>Pretending the T-90 is anything more than a T-72B with slightly better ERA on the turret.

It's obsolete as fuck in every other respect. Stop meme'ing this tank for more than it is.

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>>33379823
I like it how the fire suppression system kicked in after everyone was dead.

>>33383869
>she smiles, he looks away
at least it's not a hoover hand

>>33370210
That rebel has a very neatly groomed beard and haircut.

>>33375248
Looks more like around Sinjar, but it has been a while.

>>33383869
>>33384087
Honestly think the guy is dead, that is a look a like to keep up morale.

>>33384436
Where do I go to buy a life sized girl, you know, to keep my morale up?

>>33375265
>wasting a tandem RPG on that light vehicle

>>33377707
There's been footage of Mi-28s over there for a while now. There's even a video of them using some sort of atgm while using thermals on 2 trucks.

>>33379100
I never said it was reliable, but it sure hell isn't "pro-jihadi".

>>33375235
Technology fail.

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>>33370210

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>>33379512
Well I was dead on about Jobar if this map is correct. Jobar rebels hold a part of where they advanced into and lost the rest to a counter attack according to this map. This is overall good news for the SAA however it's ongoing and deadly for both sides. The situation is ....touchy.

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>>33380009
New picture of the head Chechen in charge holding a VSS with his blown up left hand. He is the co leader of Ajnad al Kavkaz.

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>>33377707
Iraqis bought a bunch of Mi-28NEs

>>33375371
>>33375380
That is a 60mm mortar shell.

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>>33387136
>a new shop from the guy who does all the other weird giant head shops in the ME wars threads

>>33376727
you godless heathen

>>33382607

Those motherfuckers have changed more names than a transexual drug smuggler

The fighters still left alive must have lost track of where the fuck to point their fingers at when praising allah

>>33381549
How often does this ever happen out of the many drops they made?

Looks like Al-Qaeda blitzed the SAA north of Hama. Khattab fell. This is a problem for the SAA. They need to move reinforcements there now. I expect some Palmyra/East Aleppo ones will be moved.
Looks like a full-blown war with thousands of men, VBIEDs, and tanks.

FSA got bloodied in Damasucs though. They appear to have run our of steam

Looks like the Hama offensive was well planned, seems like it caught the SAA off guard. They're within artillery range of the Hama airbase now.

>>33389289
poor SAA just can't catch a break

>>33389329
Yeah, they're taking a town/village every 30 minutes.
Looks like the SAA wasn't even in the area at thise rate.

>>33388878
It would seem like the guys from Palmyra were already being redeployed to Damascus...

The SAA is fighting heavily on multiple fronts and has pockets of rebels littered throughout its territory. Will be interesting to see how long they can keep it up or if they can close some pockets and focus their efforts more

>>33375454
Nice playlist weirdo anon hahahaha

Germany announces they are halting deliveries of weapons, -parts and ammo to Turkey because of breaches of human right. Sure, that had to be the reason.

ASSAD LOST!
SOON THE SHARIA WILL RISE IN DAMASCUS

>>33389949
Goddamned cucks instead of calling Erdo on his shit they prance around calling it breaches of human. Still better than bending over completely and going ahead with the delivery though

Incidentally, what the FUCK is with the threads on /k/ being moved to /pol/? I followed a thread there but could not even post. Can someone explain me this before these ME threads are also moved there?

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>>33388323
The airdrops have been happening at a regular pace since Deir Ezzor got cut off. Though I don't know the frequency of the airdrops.

Also just in; SDF got air dropped to the west of Al Tabaqh. US special forces supported by the SDF (or vise versa) have already captured a string of towns in the area. Marines have been reported providing the airlift support for the operation

Sorry for shit image, only got my phone right now.

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>>33389535

The literally deserve.

What a fucking joke the SAA is. Can't eliminate some festering shithole pockets in 6 years of war.

Literally every day I'm taught how little Arabs know about warfare in general, and how miserably ineffective they are.

>>33390972
One more thing on the airlift; it is said that about 500 SDF fighters were airlifted for the operation. That doesn't include American personnel. But damn, I would have loved to know how they did that

>>33390972
would LOVE to know how they got that many guys over there

really doubt they trained that many kurds to airdrop that fast or did they?

>>33372586
Fuck off faggot, trips are a choice.

>>33391021
The wording is skewed. Can't tell if they got airlifted or airdropped. Defense one says they got airdropped while livemapua says Marines airlifted them.

Pretty big difference since one is jumping out of a plane and the other is getting a helicopter ride.

>>33391005

Is there any other theoretical possibilites for that than an armada of CH-46 or similar?

>>33391021
>>33391005
Never doubt America Logistic power my man

>>33391035
do you fucking retards even know what a trip or tripcode means? jesus

>>33391070
they don't, they are the most obvious reddit crossposters you could spot

>>33373187
>total death of political Islam

I don't even think Leith Abou Fadel believes this level of bullshit.

>>33375967
shukran abu skeltal

>>33390975
is the SAA even improving from the experience they gained from this war?

>>33391056
Some news said that 5 helicopters were involved in transporting 100 US troops over. I imagine the same could have been used to transport some SDF over the river? For some reason I don't see anything unfeasible about that.

>>33391307
They were definitely air lifted, I could see some SoF elements coming in via HALO before the rest of them but I really doubt they did a regiment sized airdrop with the Kurds.

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>>33390972
>sdf piggy back on US choppers to end run around ISIS

I fucking love this war

>>33391361
There's only like 5 nautical miles across the lake, so no reason to believe that at least part of the SDF has been sailed across.

>>33391070
Yes. But I'm not a mega faggot that needs a # passcode.

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>>33391539
its called a name you dip. not a trip.

>>33391361
some pictures show Ospreys. I'm sure those were part of the lift.

>>33391536

Eh. 5 nautical miles of open terrain. Cal .50 sniper rifles, rockets and drones available to the enemy. I would not be a happy camper on board that boat.

>>33391539
instead you need a name to post even though you haven't contributed anything to these threads?
okay, another name to the filter list then

>>33389501
>laughing_ISIS.jpg

Third capture of Palmyra when?

>>33370439
Egypt is 80 million people and in Africa, Turkey is 80 million people and in Europe, and Iran is 80 million people and in Asia.

The two strong pivots on either side are Saudi Arabia and Israel. Its a pretty crazy balance of power.

>>33382607
Also Zinki.
>>33388160
Well it worked for PKK.

>>33391168

No.

None of them live long enough to actually relay any lessons learned, and they are institutionally incapable of incorporating lessons learned. There is no feedback loop.

Keep in mind the SAA at this time is mostly warlords with private militias.

>>33391168
Fuck no. If it wasn't for Russian bombs they be gone by now.

>>33390975
>12 fags declare a rebellion and raise a black & green flag over their shitty neighborhood
>welp, better pull the army from the front line battles! gotta deal with this existential threat!!

>>33391168
too many dead

>>33391116
I don't think we'll be seeing the Muslim Brotherhood ever running anything again without catching a FAB-500 first

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HTS armour, Hama. So far I've (personally) seen in pictures
>1 T-90
>2 T-72s
>1 T-62
>1 T-55
>3 BMP-1s
>1 T-62 VBIED

>>33391578
Its not outside the realm of possibilities for them to have also used boats. Though you're correct about their vulnerability. They could have used them at night or maybe inserted a few infiltration units via boat at night prior to the airlift.

>>33391647
hmmm the gulf states, Iran... seem pretty politically Islamic to me.

>>33390972
Obama must be fucking furious right now

>>33391675
why do people think the president themselves are the ones micromanaging this stuff or care?

It's the generals and military advisers behind the scenes who are actually care and are involved... they'd be the mad ones.

>>33391021
the US has been providing jump training to "rebels" in Jordan, maybe it is related

>>33391675
Why? Trump is basically following the same strategy the Obama admin has been using this past year albeit more aggressive

>>33391647
I do agree with you that Muslim Brotherhood as it was is dead. The part of it that was willing to play by "democratic" rules is dead or in prison. But Islamism as an ideology is only going to get stronger. There have no competition any more, all the liberals, pro-west guys are dead, in prison or feeling betrayed. All that is left is Islamists and corrupt, incompetent regimes. All the reasons that started this shit in 2011 are still there and the dictators have gotten even stupider. Sisi for one has wasted 50 billion of buying arms, expanding Suez which was a huge waste of money, while at the same time unemployment remains high, inflation is up and he also is on a direct collision course with Saudis, and this means that Egypt could see a million of Egyptian workers working in the Gulf thrown out. Hell the one part of MB structure that Sisi didn't wipe out is their social support system, food, education, health care for the poor, the main reason why they won in the first place.

>>33391665
"Political Islam" specifically means "moderate" "democracies" run by """mainstream""" Islamists like Morsi and propped up by their moderate terrorist buddies

>>33391700
because more has happened in 2 months to end the war than in 6 years of Obama's pro-jihadist faggotry

>>33391656

I am pretty sure I saw a vid of an IS sniper with night vision gear. Also I'd expect the opposite river side to be mined, but what do I know.

>>33391717
>albeit more aggressive
that's the point, all it took was a tiny bit of effort (which Obama always feared) and ISIS gets their shit pushed in

>>33391759
it will be a major victory for the retarded but mostly secular military dictators, which is what Arabs need. The Saudis and Gulf states have more to fear from the end of the war when all the jihadis come home

>>33391799
>that's the point, all it took was a tiny bit of effort (which Obama always feared) and ISIS gets their shit pushed in

Have you not been following the war at all this past year? SDF have been merking ISIS for a while now.

This strategy is essentially the exact same as the Obama admin.

>>33391706
nah its been confirmed that it was an airlift, not an airdrop (at least the vast majority of the movement of troops was done via helis).

Updates on the airlift OP;

U.S. special forces backed by SDF have captured the main highway linking Raqqa to ISIL holdings in the Aleppo province.

The operation was both a mix of airlift and amphibious landings (boats). As suspected the operation began under the cover of darkness in order to hide the presence of both the boats and landing zones.

The town of Tabbqah was struck repeatedly with airstrikes. Most likely as it was the main garrison for ISIL troops in the area.

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Looks like utter collapse in Northern Hama

Pic is just from a single day.

If the capture of Arzeh/Arzah heights is right (and it very likely is), then the rebels have broken through the final regime line in front of Hama and could theoretically waltz directly into Hama City.
At the same time Mahardah is isolated, with the highway and the villages south of it taken. Rebels wont move into the town though because its fully christian and understandably not very pro-jihadi.

>>33391766
>because more has happened in 2 months to end the war

and what would those things be? So like pushing towards isolating Raqqa a bit?

Everything else is other peoples doing... not some direct action by Trump himself.

Does the huge swing of the pendulum in Iraq count? Cause that was under Obama under US influence... are we excluding Iraq?

>>33391766
>because more has happened in 2 months to end the war than in 6 years of Obama's pro-jihadist faggotry
For example?

>>33391797
>>33375278

>>33391797
Yeah, but what needs to be taken into consideration is the amount of night vision equipment that ISIL has.

While it sounds cynical, a handful of ISIL snipers with NV isn't a big issue, im guessing that the op had more than its fair share of air support to deal with any holdouts or snipers.

However, if all/vast majority of the ISIL militants in the area had NV, that'd be much harder to deal with.

>>33391807
>>33391845
SDF barely received direct support until December/January, now they have embedded SF in combat and 1,000 marines providing artillery to BTFO Raqqa (which Obama was unwilling to commit to)

>>33391877
embedded SF in combat was always there. There was SF hitting VBIEDs with javelins helping SDF advance like last spring. The new development is the marines, yes.

>>33391836
TAKBIR!
A
K
B
I
R
!

>>33391836
Jesus Christ the SAA is just staggeringly incompetent.

>>33391899
more like nonexistent, they can only operate on half the fronts and rely on Russia playing whack-a-mole

>>33391877
SF has been with the Kurds for almost two years now.

Stop showing off how new to this conflict you are.

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>>33391836
Also the map is not even up to date, with Maares having also fallen (strangely spelled Maar Dis on the map, noone else does that) south of Souran

Pic is shelling before storming the town

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>>33391922

>>33391922
Arabic name is معر دس
M-ai-r da-ss

anyone else taking Arabic? its interesting to be able to read anything, but knowing what the word means is another matter.

>>33391799
I don't think Saudis have much to worry. There are always wars to send them too, the "secular" dictators make sure of that. Egypt is on a one way trip to hell if Sisi doesn't change. Also what Arabs need is democracy or more precisely elections. Tunis has had several elections and the situation is "great", same with Lebanon. Even Iraq was on a good path until Maliki decided to play "secular" dictator, same shit with Haftar and Sisi. Hell even Syria was on a good path in early 2000, when Bashar took over. But like so many Arab leaders he didn't want to give up total control and he blew up the country in the process. Compere Assad and Erdogan, both came to power around the same time, Erdogan liberalized the country, allowed foreign investment, curtailed the army and the deep state. Assad started doing the same, but change him mind half way through. Turkey developed, FDI boosted employment and prevent shit from exploding. Assad could have had the same, foreign capital could have been used to reduce unemployment and prevent mass discontent. Now Sisi has been give the same choice, liberalize the economy, that is cut out the army and the deep state from the economy, but he seems to lack the will to do so. The lack of will to reform is why I think Egypt is on a bad path.

>>33391964
Arabic without vowels still confuse the shit out of me.

>>33391980
Ayy. Though im learning classical arabic since it's the only kind that's offered in my uni. Hopefully the CAF offers modern Arabic or one of its dialects.

>>33391942
>>33391922
Apprently another T-72 was just destroyed by an anti tank team just now. Can't tell if its one of the losses already reported, but it was destroyed with an M-79 Osa

>>33392009
أحب الحرب سوري
:)

>>33392051
Classical Arabic would be a bit different. The pronoun would be infused with the verb love, not to mention that it would be written more like انا الحب الحرب سوري at least that's what I can make out from what i've learnt.

>>33392199
shit my bad, Syria should be written like السورية

>>33392199
Al-huub wouldn't make sense(?), that's basically saying "the-love". and A'na can just be dropped it isn't necessary for the sentence as the connotation is there, since you said I-huub. I-huub being the (I) love form of love.

>>33392213
And you may be right there, but I thought itd make more sense to say "the war of Syrians" (ie Syrian War) not "the war of Syria"

>>33392220
Classical Arabic is very iffy when it comes to wording things. Since its only used for reading the Quran, it tries to be as formal as possible.

>>33392245
crappy that's your only option. I guess that's better than no option. I'm the anon you talked to before.

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hezbollah t-90

>it's an Assad loses an entire province because the SyAAF is too busy revenge-bombing civilians episode
top kek

So what will be the fate of the Christian in Mahardeh once HTS is going to take over the town?

>>33392501
>100sqkm
>entire province

This same shit fell two years ago in a very similar offensive. SAA proceeded to retake it in 2016.
Now we are getting it again. I expect the SAA to retake it in a few months.

Nusra was really quiet for months. They even let Aleppo fall so now they are making their move.

If the SAA can hold Hama city, they'll be able to push back

>>33392753
>SAA proceeded to retake it in 2016.

No they didn't, they didn't even get back to the original Hama battle lines they spent years creating. Its why the rebels were able to push so deep this time around, they didn't have to go through the main lines the SAA had set up.

>>33390975

Try fighting when half of your division deserts in every battle

>>33392806
[Citations needed]

Souran, Maan, Kawkab, Khattab, has been the frontline for 4 years now.
Maan and Kawkab fell to the SAA last year. I remember this distinctly.

In no way are these gains even large. Two towns and a few villages. The question is if the SAA retreat will continue or not

Also, Nusra did jack shit for 5 months and lost Aleppo. Where do you think all these soldiers came from? There were saving up and biding their time.

Now the Tiger forces in East Aleppo are headed back to Hama.

>>33392837
The SAA never reclaimed all their former battle lines after the FSA offensive in 2016.

>>33392883
Yes it is.

>they didn't even get back to the original Hama battle lines they spent years creating

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>>33392907
This has literally been the frontline for years. What exactly did the SAA not retake in 2015-2016 that wasn't taken by the rebels already in the 2012 offensive?

This exact same shit has been ping ponging for 5 years now anon.

>>33392941
Post a map from the 2016 offensive and you'll answer your own question.

They never regained all the battle lines.

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>>33392941

>>33392964
I literally am posting a source showing that the SAA lost these very same positions in 2012, and in 2014. This isn't something new unlike your claim.

Maybe the SAA hasn't retaken the 2012 lines, but since then the front has been ping ponging over 5 towns
Morek, khattab, kawtab, suran, and Maardeh.

>>33393075
Post the 2016 map.

They never regained all their lines.

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>>33393089
don't you mean 2015?

>>33393126
You know you're agreeing with me right, the SAA never regained all their battle lines.

This is fact.

>>>33393166
New thread is up in lieu of the bump limit

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>>33393139
>>33393139
no that guy but the frontline has been rather fluid

every offensive was partially pushed by by a counteroffensive
the SAA suffered a great loss with the fall of Morek in 2015 and haven't regained it since but every rebel offensive failed to consolidate its gains

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>>33370210
How excited would widespread allied/NATO/russian use of chemical weapons make you?

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>>33393241
if it was used on IS then yes kind of excited, it would make for some good footage

>>33391987
And look at Turkey now. If it wasn't for their crutch called NATO they'd have been glassed by Russia twice over.

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>>33371460
DELETE THIS NAKBA

Seriously despite massive backing and troops from Russia and Iran and years and years of having every possible advantage, they're still being BTFO in the capital

Why is syria such an incompetent country?

>>33380885

Utterly repulsive. I shudder to think of the sick fuckery this one has engaged in.

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Russia has said that its stance on Israeli airstrikes inside Syria "has not changed" despite the recent incident. A Few days back Israel bombed a Hezbollah convoy in Syria which resulted in the death of a senior commander. The SAA fired a S-200 at the IAF jets which then intercepted it with an ABM.

Syria filed a complaint to both the UN and Russia and while the UN condemned the strike Russia has indicated they will continue to allow Israel to bomb targets in the country

>>33393713
>be jew
>free pass to bomb targets in another country

>>33381786
Hope they're at least good biscuits like shortbread and not fucking Bourbones or Custard Creams.

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>>33393845
>implying Syria is still a country

>>33393845
Sucks for Syria, but Assad has no choice. Without Russia he'll be strung up by his own people in a month. He has to follow their orders or die.

Putin values a good relationship with Israel more than Assad's honor in protecting his Hezbollah allies.