ATF

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>>33369977
I think it's pretty much just a meme people use when somebody talks about homemade weapons and silencers.
And most are still pissed about Ruby ridge
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>makes arbitrary interpretations of law with the intent of limiting our rights to the best of their ability
>trafficked thousands of guns to Mexican cartel for a sting operation but failed to keep track of them, good people died
>they'll shoot your doggo for the slightest infraction.
>basically the No Fun Allowed agency

It's 1/3 REEEEE, 2/3rds them being a legitimately anti-constitutional organization that regularly breaches the limitations of the different branches of government and also has no idea what the fuck they're talking about

>>33369977
Ya I've been waiting almost 300 days for a little fucking piece of paper to get a hold of my suppressor, they're cunts.

>>33369977
Those fuckers shot my dog.

>Be living in Homestead FL back in 80s
>Lived on 20 acres
>One day hear helicopter
>Gets louder and louder
>Look out window
>Fuck it's coming down in my yard
>Dog is running to it
>Bang bang
>Go to run out side, front door gets kicked in
>Atf agents everywhere pointing guns yelling
>Throw me to the floor handcuff me
>Handcuff my mother.
>Ransack our home
>Figure out they are at wrong house
>Supposed to be next door
>They leave to raid house next door
>My dog is dead home trashed, no apology. Basically fuck you to bad.

Atf can suck my dick

You don't remember the stories of them doing things like confiscating someone's guns for "illegally converting into a machine gun" then using the fact that some would occasionally slamfire as proof and trying to prosecute.

Plus things like Ruby Ridge where they totally fucked up and served to motivate right wing nutjobs like Timothy McVeigh.

>>33370028
Can't wait for the HPA to pass.

>>33369999
god i am such a faggot.

>>33369999
atf pls go

>>33369977
you tend to get a bad rep when your job description is "break constitutional law all day, every day".
SHALL.

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>>33369999
Also look up the actual account of what went down at Waco with the Branch Davidians. The FBI and ATF were so desperate for a win after the Ruby Ridge debacle that they flat out murdered men, women and children who had broken no Texas state laws then trumped up some bullshit claims about child abuse and illegally modified AKs.

Oh, and who was there to witness the whole thing? Timothy McVeigh, who planned the Oklahoma City bombing in direct retaliation to Waco and Ruby Ridge.

>>33370011
>It's 1/3 REEEEE, 2/3rds them being a legitimately anti-constitutional organization
More like 1/3 REEEE posters, 1/3 posters that believe ATF is unconstitutional, 1/3 are felon posters angry that they can't own guns.

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>>33370592
>1/3 posters that believe ATF is unconstitutional

which part of SHALL do you not understand you illiterate nigger?

>>33370090
Did you sue?

>>33370090
post yfw the only reason the ATF was at anon's house was to shoot his dog
then came up with a reason to leave after the fact
maybe they even brought a helo to more efficiently kill all the dogs in your neighborhood

>>33370314
NOT

I can personally say my experience paints them as an incompetent understaffed/funded agency.

I had some guns I sent to a "gunsmith" for ceraktoe work a couple of years ago. The guy warned me it would take at least 2 months since he was in the process of moving shops.

In exchange he'd offer a 50% discount on the work.

Cut to 2 Months later and the guy keeps giving excuses why they're not done. I say fine, I'll give him another month. I was in the process of switching jobs at the time, so I didn't have time for shooting anyway.

3 Months now, and the guy just straight up starts ignoring my calls. When I do arrange for him to meet me for work, he completely blows me off with no explanation and no call backs.

At this point I'm kinda panicking. I start thinking this guy has made off with my guns or something and is stalling trying to hide the fact.

>Call the ATF
>Polite agent notwithstanding, he basically tells me point blank ATF won't do shit in this situation.
>Ask why
>Essentially they will only get involved if the guns are reported stolen and not before. And he even admitted to me if it was just 3 rifles, they probably wouldn't bother. I'd have better luck suing the guy in civil court.
>i'm watting hard now.
>Agent basically said that unless the cops ask for assistance, they won't get involved.
>Even though they're familiar with this gunsmith and have received numerous complaints of him disappearing for months at a time with user's property (didn't know this when I first worked with him)

So yeah in essence, the ATF won't do shit unless it's something major or unless LE specifically requests their assistance. If you get a gun stolen they pretty much won't do shit to help you.

>>33370721
>If you get a gun stolen they pretty much won't do shit to help you.

Big surprise there. Were you really under the impression they exist to help you? Are you this naive? They are a taxation and regulation agency.

>>33370721
Thankfully in the end I did get the rifles back after posting about my experience with him on Calguns. That apparently percolated up to him and he then called me out of the blue all pissy that I was calling him a thief and shit.

Piece of shit wanker more like. Never using that guy again.

>>33370765
Like I said, at the time I didn't know. I was under the impression that, hence their name, they were the parent agency that dealt with illegal handling/trafficking of firearms. Now I know better.

>>33370721
you shouldve told him that the gunsmith was chopping down barrels for his local nazi organization and he had just adopted 6 puppies
they'd have been there within the hour

>>33370773

>paying for your shitty rifle to get duracoated by some pleb

Oh boy anon.... not that you were asking for it... but...

>>33370618
Oh I believe a lot of what the ATF does is unconstitutional.
I never stated that I didn't.

So I'm assuming that you're butthurt that I separated actual infringement from law abiding citizens and the lawful disarming of convicted felons.
Humans shall not be infringed.
Felons are not human.
Honestly, you felon sympathizers are just as bad as liberals.

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>>33370796
As much as a pain in the ass he was to deal with, his Cerakote work is top notch. I wouldn't have bothered with him if it was duracote.

>>33370801
>Honestly, you felon sympathizers are just as bad as liberals.
this
felons are niggers

>>33370840
nevermind bro lol I want that sniper rifle

>be redneck
>Move to backwoods Idaho
>Live next to Aryan Nation
>sell atf informant infiltrating AN a shotgun with an 18 barrel but under 28 inches OAL
>Don't go to court
>Doggo dead
>jap sniper shoots wife holding young baby
>Atf shoots son
>No family, no doggo, no guns

Glad my taxes are paying for this.

Kinda reminds me of when that atf cunt stomped someones cat to death. They are a tax enforcement agency not a separate branch of the military

>>33370790
>just adopted 6 puppies
I laughed

>>33369977
>arbitrarily banned steel core military surplus rifle ammunition because there is a pistol chambered for it (which was never imported to the US), all based on the fallacious argument that said ammunition is armor-piercing

>>33370855
Aye, it's my baby. JP Enterprises 24" Bull Barrel Upper with the thermal dissipator on a Franklin Armory Lower.

>>33370942
lol I have no idea what that means lol its just a cool gun

ATF inserts government bureaucracy into my hobby. Their answers as to what is prohibited and not can vary from year to year. They have a pretty bad reputation for creating "crime" by doing infiltration and trying to convince someone to sell them a sawed off shotgun or SBR or silencer without the required paperwork. Even the probable cause for shit like Ruby Ridge and Waco (and even ignoring foul ups they made once they acted on that probable cause) were both terrible and the reports from their undercover meeting to range shoot with David Koresh read like they were written by an anti-gun liberal, making an average AR-15 sound like a WMD and with agents inserting non-recorded "statements" they allege were made that sound totally contrived.

For me, though, not much of that matters a lot. They suck but I can grudgingly ignore them since I don't have anything questionable and don't push the envelope. But they lose a lot of face with some of their interpretations and push for regulation (think of the proposed ammo ban a couple of years back). For them, regulation is a great thing - the more the better. I hate having an agency like that even exist.

>>33370006
He speaks truth.

>sig brace comes out
>ATF tells everyone it's ok to shoulder it
>does a 360 on their decision and says it's illegal to shoulder because in doing so you've constructed an illegal SBR
>but it's still a pistol, not an SBR if it's not shouldered

>>33370694
BE

They are just wildly incompetent from top to bottom. All the best and brightest who have federal ambitions go FBI or DEA...ATF is basically left overs. A lot of local yokels who spent 5 years handing out DUI's and speeding tickets but now they've got a bachelors degree (seldom these are earned) so they want to try their hand at a three letter. FBI doesn't want them, DEA doesn't want them...

>>33370721
Did you ever get your guns back?

>>33371136
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>>33371121
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>>33370790
>yeah... it uh... it looks like he's chopping shotgun barrels below 16"??
>I think he might also be breeding dogs or something?

i had problems with the ATF before i was even allowed t o own guns.
>be me, 13
>making potato cannon in MA
>mom was fine with it until she looked at the laws on the atf website
>potato cannons are fucking WMDs under their definition

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>>33369977

>>33370790
Seriously. That was the part that cheesed me off during the whole situation. The agent admitted that they KNEW the Gunsmith and his business BY NAME because he had received so many complaints about shit like this. I didn't even have to provide his FFL or anything, I just said his name and the agent went

"Oh christ not this guy again" before stopping himself. I mean shit, you'd think if this was a recurring thing they'd head on down to his shop and pull his books or some shit, but nope, he apparently was doing this repeatedly and they didn't do shit on his FFL status or anything.

>>33371245
explain

>>33371276
He was probably talking about you when he said "Oh christ not this guy again"

>>33370090
John Wick pls go

>>33371314

Nice try, but nah. First call.

>>33371278
high bore, non-bullet projectile, explosive propellant

>>33371324
underrated post

>>33371332
thats their wmd defentition? Are you sure you don't mean their DD, destructive device, definition?

>>33371367
oh, probably. but yeah, ATF says you need a tax stamp on shoestrings and potato cannons

>>33369977
DHS spook here. ATF is some sort of unholy mixture of organization problems and poor resource management. They are inept in most every way. It's honestly amazing to see a organization more ineffective than FEMA.

>>33371519
Hire me.
t. Texas anon.

>>33371609
CBP is hiring. They are running on a two thousand personal shortage. As long as you are on decent shape and have no ties to the cartel you can get a position there.

>>33370773
Who, where? I too am in chucklestan and am about to send some parts to a guy for paint.... I really hope it isn't the same guy.

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>>33371856
Not sure if he changed his name, but he often goes by the name of "Gunsmith Dan" and operates out of Escondido last I checked.

This is the thread dealing with him that I posted about and prompted him calling me up in a pissy ass mood.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1088438

Just don't reference the thread if it is the same guy, I don't want to deal with him any more than possible. I'm happy with the work he ultimately did, but i'm not using him again.

>>33371890
That sounds pretty shitty. It looks like hes some sort of autist, who's really good at ceracoat but can't in to human interaction rain main style.

>>33372451
Her certainly had a victim complex about himself the whole time I was dealing with him on this crap. He really had something fucked with him. He would completely blow off appointments multiple times, despite claiming that "the guns are done and good to go!" then i'd show up and he'd be nowhere to be found, then use the excuse that he was dealing with a sick family member or some shit over and over again with no explanation how or when. Fucking nightmare.

>>33369977
Pawn shop clerk here.

ATF are there to take my job, not give me a cookie when they find I didn't fuck any paper work.

That being said, I went to another (our sister store) and there were 7 of them digging through the gun room... apparently someone let something go that wasn't suppose to...

>>33369977
>Why does the ATF get such a bad rap here?
WACO and Ruby Ridge.

>>33374598
Burning people alive to protect them from harming themselves is perfectly valid.

>>33370144
>>33370144


Real talk, what are the odds of it passing, and if it does when do you/we think it would be?

>>33369977

Imagine if the TSA was put in charge of enforcing a limited selection of taxes and given swat teams

>>33369977
It has something to do with them restricting our rights using arbitrary "rules".
Shit like needing a certain number of us made parts. Silencers taking nearly a year to approve cause a back ground check isnt fucking instant.....
Also alot of us like our dogs.

>>33370847
Whats it like to hate freedom?

>>33369977

they enforce shitty laws

>>33370006
>No Fun Allowed
I finally know what NFA stands for

>>33370801
>lawful disarming of convicted felons

they have a bad tendency to show up at the neighbor's house instead, and have been caught multiple times selling full giggle to felons, for a while it looked like one of the ak's used in the paris massacre was from another one of their 'gunwalking' sting operations

>>33375394
Low, I don't see it getting a vote honestly, no vote on floor no pass.

>>33369977
Popped in on me when I was 16 and someone narked that I was making chlorine bombs for funsies. They were fine, just wanted to make sure I didn't have an anarchists cookbook. Left me alone after that. Probably kept tabs for a bit but nothing on my record.

>>33376036
>They were fine, just wanted to make sure I didn't have an anarchists cookbook

What does it matter if you did or not, it isn't illegal to own any books on how to make bombs or explosives. That would violate your first amendment rights.

>>33376079
No, but the anarchists cookbook is full of shitty instructions and really bad ideas.
Especially if it's a dumb kid fucking around with it.

>>33369977
Welp, they just decided that suppressor wipes are suppressors of their own making many suppressors illegal after companies have spent millions designing them and consumers have spent millions buying them.

>>33375934
t. D'eauntre Miles-Tatum

>>33369977
Unconstitutional government organization that has leadership that isn't voted in.

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves that we let the atf exist.

>>33371656
Taking a guess, the hiring freeze fucked shit up for your seasonal hiring too? USFS here.

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I did some bomb dog training with them in Yuma. They were pretty nice guys. Gave me a cool hat.

>>33376319
What is a job with the forest service like? I live in the PNW and I have considered getting a job with you guys.

>>33376384
depends entirely on the forest, and the sub-department you're involved in.

What are you interested in? I might be able to help point you in the right direction. Also a general list of your work history/skills and I might even give you a beter idea of what kinda pay grade work you want to try applying for first.

>>33376609
Being a forester or recreation specialist would be cool. I've only ever worked in restaurants and bars so I don't have any relevant work experience.

>>33376724
>I've only ever worked in restaurants and bars

Sounds stupid, but have you mopped up and cleaned the shitters? You could probably get in as a rec tech depending on the particular needs of the forest.


A forest I worked on a couple years ago I worked winter and summer, and was effectively a janitor out in the woods. Winter work was maintaining a string of sno parks including the bathrooms and pulling the trash, not a lot of social interaction.

Meanwhile the summer work I was in charge of about 4 campgrounds, I was doing basically the same, maintaining the bathrooms and pulling trash, but I also had to maintain the entire water system for our fee sites, pull the fee tubes (unmanned collection stations for camping fees), check in on the camp hosts, check in on the campers, inform them of current regulations and rules, mediate disputes between parties and escalate to our LEO or state police (had to do that three times and make an emergency run up the road to check on the camp hosts after dark once after some shit went down at the campgrounds and they ended up getting intimidated by an asshole prison guard who was using his status as law enforcement to ignore rules and regs), and on occasion find time to hike some of the trails and clear fallen trees.

It was nice, but repetitive mindnumbing work, I'm glad I'm back in range management.

>>33376795
Also fuck some people. Some of the stuff I found in the trash cans pissed me off, like the fuckers who caught what were pretty much state record trout out of the lake and didn't even fucking gut them and cook them. Just fucking threw them in the trash untouched.

>>33369977
FFL employee here.

The agent that does our periodic compliance checks and fields all our questions doesn't know the first thing about the laws he's supposed to enforce and is a complete asshole to everybody both in and out of the store.

So far he's...
>tried copying 4473's without subpoena or warrant (extremely extremely illegal)
>started a fist fight in the parking lot with an old guy on a cane over the guy being ever so slightly double-parked, and drew his firearm when a burly redneck stepped in to help the old guy since the ATF guy was plainclothes (extremely extremely illegal)
>quad-parks across all our handicap spots every time he shows up because they're closest to the door
>called the store owner a nigger to his face (store owner is white)
>shows up unannounced (required by law to give notice and make an appointment during business hours if he doesn't have a warrant)
>answers the phone with "yeah what the fuck do you want?"

This is the third FFL I've worked for. First FFL I literally never saw the ATF field agent in 7 years, pretty sure he was shamming somewhere. Second FFL had one assigned that was a total bro, knew his shit and followed his regs and was as helpful as he could be while being legit nice.

>>33376795
>>33376805

Anyway quick rundown of other positions in the forest service.

he last forest I was on, as a range technician I was monitoring cattle grazing, doing fence repairs on an enclosure to protect critical fish habitat from horse grazing and spraying for noxious weeds, on other forests that might be a forestry technition's (biological science)'s job additionally I also collected and released bugs that were going to eat noxious weeds as well.

Meanwile Timber is split up into Timber Stand Improvment, Timber Marking, Timber survey and Silvacutlture crews and depending on what the word of the day is any one from each could be doing all or none of the same jobs and tasks. there may or may not be chainsaw use here, but expect a lot of up and down hiking along 80% slopes and never trusting certain plants to hold weight ever again.

river ranger is pretty standard, it's a guy who's trained as an Forestry Protection officer or LEO (the difference between the two being one can issue lawful orders, arrest people and carries a gun, while both can issue tickets) and rafts/kayaks down the rivers and waterways to make sure no one's fucking shit up in remote areas that can only be accessed via water.

Rec Tech is a mixed bag, generally they're kind of a Forestry Technician (generalist) and you can be doing anything and everything from maintaining restrooms, pulling trash, informing people at campsites about current regs and maintaining trails/infrastructure.

Road crew is straightforeward heavy equipment maintenance

Fire positions are for the most part self explanatory as it's wildland fire fighting and he first few weeks of employment are guard school to re-up training and cert people up so they can drive and not make an ass out of themselves over the radio. They may or may not get chainsaw training/time.

>>33376865
Hydrological science is a bit of a weird one because I haven't really worked with them much. Generally they tend to fall into one of two categories: winter only guys who back country ski and check the snowpack, or summer only people who are monitoring flows and river/stream temperatures and also rope in other departments to do the footwork of deploying/recovering their sensors... I've encountered no middle ground on this.

Archaeology Techs are the ones that do surveys to make sure any construction and improvements aren't affecting historical sites and can make of break projects.

fire lookouts are the dudes out in the towers who spot the fires for the fire crews to go deal with and occasionally result in geographical feature's getting renamed (EG: 'nigger knob')

Vehicle maintenance: seems to be an anomaly, and depends on the forest. Of the last three forests I've worked on, only one had a dedicated vehicle maintenance team, with the exception of the regional fire center guys who only maintained summerfleet vehicles.


Anyway. I figure based off what you said you could probably easily get a GS-3 (that's pay grade) position in recreation. That's our entry level positions and not much is expected of them and is one step above internships.

Also a lot of our hiring is already done, but I suggest going onto USAjobs.gov setting up an account on there and learning the system inside and out. And don't use the 'resume builder' on the website. Create your own resume, make it easy to read, but also make sure to put EVERY skill, job, training, certification etc you've ever done. It helps any hiring official looking at it know what other stuff they can get you involved in a lot more easily.

Additionally, when applying for a position, when you've selected a duty station to apply to, be sure to call in, introduce yourself and ask for specific information about the position. A lot of the listings are 'form letter' non specific and just outline what the duties may [c]

>>33375978
>for a while it looked like one of the ak's used in the paris massacre was from another one of their 'gunwalking' sting operations
Yeah, in the American media; pretty sure that was just a smear campaign. Major European news outlets said from the outset that they were from the Balkans.

From a European perspective, it made absolutely no sense for the guns to be American in origin, because why smuggle an AK from America when you have half a dozen Balkan countries where you can get them from, for much cheaper and much less risk.

>>33376918
be.

If there isn't contact info, figure it out yourself (google USFS [duty location city, state) and you'll usually be able to get the district office telephone. Call in, explain that you're calling about a [whatever position listing] at the district and there was no direct contact information on the job listing. You'll probably get bounced to two to three different people and maybe even escalated to the forest supervisor's office because no one on the district itself is handling hiring that season. It depends on the situation, however it helps them get to know your name, and get an idea of your personality. Part of how I got one position a couple years ago was purely because I'd kept in contact with the guy doing the hiring decisions and the two people he'd wanted for the position didn't make the list and he remembered my name from keeping in contact. Same story this last summer too, I'd kept in contact with the guy in charge of hiring this last summer and when someone who'd initially signed on for the position decided "no I don't want this job after-all" he called me because he remembered me from the initial calls I'd made to ask about the position and about the forest.

Which brings me to one of the last bits, be prepared to either see "not reffered" on applications or just not make the cut. Remember, the worst they can say is "sorry, but you didn't make the cut". and this can happen for a huge number of reasons. Too many people applied, veteran's preference happened (a thing where hiring officials are required to offer positions to people who have veteran's status before even looking at anyone else in the applicant pool, it's like affirmative action but before it got unfucked and only for veterans).

Other than that... can't really think of anything else, I think I covered everything.

>>33376795
>after some shit went down at the campgrounds and they ended up getting intimidated by an asshole prison guard

story?

>>33377008
Not really much to it.
>4th of july weekend we have some asshats raising hell because it's 4th of july
>end up having to call state police twice on these guys to taking ATVs down a pedestrial trail, shit like that.
>I end up becoming a jaded asshole and my opinion of humanity takes a nosedive and only recovered this spring (a couple years later) really because I ended up hauling about 12 cubic yards of trash out of the trash cans that weekend.
>other than that, not really eventful.
>the following weekend
>lietenant asshole shows up and basically refuses to follow any of the rules
>no idea ifhe really is an LT
>plays loud music, is disrespectful of other people
>camp hosts go to address complaints, dude is apparently a bit aggressive with them, and tells them because we didn't do anything about the rule breakers last week that he doesn't need to follow the rules either.
>Camp hosts are elderly couple 1 half lovable grandparents, one half shrewd nosy neigbors and are checking on complaints
>I get a call around 7pm regarding his intimidation since they got scared back into their trailer by this guy
> they say they'll call back once they've gotten ahold of our LEO
>10pm rolls by I still haven't heard from the hosts.
>grab my rig keys and haul ass up the road, normally takes me an hour to get up there because of washboards and ungraded shitty road
>I somehow make it in about 15 minutes
>check on hosts, they're fine
>I do a slow creeping drive through the campground
>check in with LEO the next morning, he's going to talk with all parties involved
>hosts end up avoiding that entire side of the campground the rest of the week.
[c]

>>33377132
>end up getting full story from a group of local militiamen/prepper type guys out there to camp, drink beer and have a good time,
> LT asshat had apparently thrown around his 'LEO status as a reason why he shouldn't be subject to FS rules and regs (our LEO apparently let him off the hook) and he ended up pulling intimidation tactics on the hosts, they never specified what though.
>militia guys never saw this couldn't specify on what did or did not happen.
>I subtlety implied to Lt. Asshat's crew that that shit would not be tolerated and if another incident happened I'd be going to the state police rather than calling our LEO again
>regardless my faith in humanity took another hit and I was relieved as fuck when that guy finally took off, found out later from the militia guys when they came back later in the summer that lt asshat was a prison guard.

At the very least the fire crew at my bunkhouse was willing to back me up if I had to make another late night dash up the mountain to defuse a situation like that again.... even if they were drunk as a skunk they'd wake their crewboss up to drive them up to the rescue, so it was nice to know they had my back.

>>33369977
The ATF was really, really badly manager and super corrupt up till through the 90s when some really public fuck ups and scandals brought greater scrutiny on them. The reason so many gun owners regard the gubmint as the enemy can be laid directly at the feet of the ATF acting like every Freeman on the lands deranged mental image of an overreaching government agency. They were literally the stereotype for a while.

Any other questions regarding the forest service, employment with or anything I've mentioned tonight?

>>33377215
Any opportunities in Texas?

Currently in engineering and wondering if any environmental engineering opportunities are available. Probably not your agency but maybe you know the right place to look?

>>33376795
>>33376805
>>33376865
>>33376918
>>33376984
Thanks for all of the info anon. It's definitely really helpful.

>>33370006
>with the intent of limiting our rights to the best of their ability

That's not how they work at all

>>33370618
Which part of you're a felon and can't own guns by law don't you understand? Nothing unconstitutional about that

>>33377234
I don't really know on that one. I haven't really looked at much stuff in texas... I know US fish and wildlife has some stuff down there, same with the park service and there's also Army corpse of engineers stuff because some of the flood control systems are down into the texarkana region.

Best I can suggest is just searching USAjobs.gov yourself. Do you know anyone that does environmental engineering that can kinda mentor you or what? Sorry I'm not really familliar with the engineering side of things beyond basic roadwork (and that's only because even I who doesn't know shit could tell that some of the roads on the forest just needed to be disced and re-compacted rather than just cutting off the tops of the washboards and filling in the furrows with loose gravel.

>>33377278
No problem.


I'mma crash out for the night, I'll check if there's anymore questions in the morning.

really tho, the money you spent on a gun was better spent on a car with a better safety rating

just saying. own whatever you want, but if your reason isnt purely "because i want it", your cheating yourself

>>33377289
the word 'felon' isnt even in the constitution you fucking hump

SHALL NOT

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>>33377294
>Army corpse of engineers

>be cop
>respond to report of gunfire in a duplex home
>Show up, find two fresh corpses and one almost-corpse
>Call homicide techs, get to stand around outside the door while they work
>20 minutes after the crime scene tape goes up, a stereotypical Dark Government Sedan rolls up and stops at the curb
>Two guys in uniform polos with ATF on them walk up
>Stop them, blah blah blah this is a crime scene only techs are allowed inside at the moment
>While I'm talking to one, the other pushes past me into the building
>Turn around to stop him, second one takes the opportunity to shove past me too
>First ATF agent walks right through the middle of the fucking crime scene, kicks over an evidence flag and scatters the shell casings under all over the kitchen floor
>He reaches down and picks up one of the pistols off the floor, without gloves on
>"No, this isn't what we're looking for"
>sets it on the kitchen table
>Second ATF agent meanwhile is standing with one foot in a pool of blood while arguing with the lead tech

Apparently the property owner was a person of interest and they heard there was a murder, so they showed up to see if we found whatever the fuck they were looking for. We didn't. Still don't know what they were investigating.

>>33376036
Good thing you kept your TM-31-210 out of sight.

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>>33377283
>>33370592
>>33377289
>>33370605

>>33377283
You have no idea about the reality of the situation, do you?

They were literally created to enforce the NFA and all firearms, tobacco, and alchohol laws.

And yet, still today, they regularly practice being the law maker, the judge, and the jury by making laws that they're not allowed to make, enforceing their own rules, and arresting and killing anyone who is clearly not going to follow unlawful laws set by an enforcement agency, not the legislature.

The BAFT is literally a Mob. They we are literally paying them for protection against their OWN regulations every time we pay for a tax stamp other than an MG and suppresor. They have no right to interpret a shouldered pistol into an SBR and then enforce their own interpretation.

The interpretation should be left to the courts, like the laws commands it to be.

And yet, we have ATF agents right now running around enforcing and making decision based on their own rules and regulations. Thats the definition of a Mob.

>>33378141
If this is true, then those 2 agents are sitting in a cell and lost their jobs.

Thats Tampering with evidence, breaking into a crime scene, impeading a police investigation, and the DA could throw in a firearms law about having a gun while commiting several felonys.

I sure as HELL hope this is real and that these crimes stuck. Because ATF needs to be put in check.

>>33378141
>somehow 20 minutes away
>runs into a taped off crime scene
I call bullshit

>>33369977
It's a meme. They're actually really nice I've never had a bad experience with them

>>33370721
I had an ATF agent tell me I couldn't buy a 16" AR because it "was a pistol grip, and was therefore a pistol"

Naturally I bought one anyways because the background check/FFL knew the law better than the ATF.

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>>33378824
>t. thinks there will be repercussions for agent smith

>>33369977
They burned down a church and killed like 40 something people

>>33378088
....Jesus christ, I actually did that. Sorry.