40 S&W sucks

>>33355214
I agree. Fuck the FBI.

>>33355223
FBI shoots 9mms now.

Try again

It has better ballistic performance through auto glass than 9mm.

For LEOs that's a selling point.

>>33355234
yeah but they were the fucks who killed 10mm to makes the shittiest modern hand gun caliber.

>>33355242
.357 sig and 10mm both perform better through glass though. Both are better options than the shit 40 S&W.

>>33355257
True.

Nearly double my ass. There's probably a 20% premium on FMJ and an insignificant premium on quality defensive ammunition.

The recoil isn't that much worse than 9mm and you get a round that preforms better with lower quality ammunition. It is only with top tier loads that 9mm is equal to .40 shot to shot.

10mm is chambered in large framed firearms, .357 sig is nothing more than 9mm +P+, both are more expensive while also being harder to find, AND they share the same capacity.

Finally, several firearms were designed for .40 S&W first only to be retrofitted with 9mm barrels later on.

2/10, got me to respond.

>>33355214
40 Short & Weak

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>>33355214
>mfw i bought 40sw to rechamber to 357sig

>>33355214
I want a .40 Beretta 90-two because it's available and I'm going to get a 9mm barrel for it. Is this ok?

>>33355214
.40 isn't entirely pointless, in fact I'm glad almost every company makes a .40 version of everything. Makes it a lot easier to convert to a good cartridge like .357 sig.
Memes aside, you're a fucking idiot if you're buying ammo from somewhere that sells .40 for twice as much as 9mm.

>>33355214
It's basically the same thing as 10mm, it actually is the same if you shoot +P

.40 cal = 10x22
10mm = 10x25

>Lmao 3mm

It has less deflection when shot through barriers than 9mm, and .45 can't into barriers. Barrier penetration is significant when you consider law enforcement applications, where someone may be hiding behind a car door or couch, etc. There are armorers at police ranges that get paid to test this type of thing and plenty swear by .40 as a viable duty round.

>>33355952
>plenty swear by .40 as a viable duty round
>companies give giant discounts or benefits on trade-ins to police forces because nobody else wants guns in .40
Really makes me think.

>>33355214
>>Snappy recoil with no significant benefit
sounds like you a lil babbyback bitch.

prove me wrong bitchboi.

>always has these threads on /k/, just trying to find a 'justification' to switch from his bitchboi P226 navy seulz 9mm to a Glawk fotay
the day-after-day thread-create should tell you something, "M-MUH CARRIERS!11!" autist....

>>33355970
Stick to 9 if you're a casual, I do for nearly all my personally owned handguns. It's a perfectly fine and versatile round. For people that actually may need the edge, who may actually be in a gunfight involving barriers, the .40 cal is beneficial. Like I give a fuck about having 2 less rounds per mag when I carry 60 total rounds. I'm not paying for it either so who cares about cost efficiency.

You're not wrong, there are better rounds, but they all come with a trade-off. Ours is recoil, but that's how we keep half the girls from qualifying so we have an excuse to not hire them.

>>33355270

Have you shot a 10mm?

It's not painful, but it's not easy to shoot quickly. Same reason LEOs used to carry .357's loaded with .38+p - keeping the muzzle down is just more important.

>>33355214
Literally all of the valid criticisms of .40S&W apply to pretty much any pistol caliber.

What a .40 caliber handgun like the USP Compact does bring to the table is a high capacity pistol that's easy to shoot, a versatile cartridge with a fair amount of momentum, the potential to go subsonic or supersonic, and a pretty good capacity to size ratio overall. What's wrong with that?

>b-but I can't shoot .40 pistols!!
I've shot lots of .40 caliber handguns and never understood the "snappy" meme. Are you a girl? Might explain it.

>b-but they're always retrofitted 9mm designs!!!
No, they are not, and even when a manufacturer does this, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

>the capacity sux tho!!
.40 caliber pistols still tend to have good capacity. Yeah, it's one or two rounds less than a comparable 9mm from the same manufacturer, but there's plenty of variation even among 9mm pistols. If you are comfortable with the 15 rounds in the HK VP9, but not comfortable with the 15 rounds in the Glock 22, then you may be a faggot.

>"it's outclassed by 10mm and .357 Sig!!
Find me a good option for a 10mm service style pistol, then. The Glocks jam. As for .357 Sig, it might make sense to you, but it's NOT the equal of 10mm, and I'm not comfortable with the ease of bullet set back. .357 Sig is more of a compromise between 9mm and .40S&W. It has its place, but also has a fatal flaw.

>there's no benefits, tho!!
50% more momentum is basically the main benefit. That's going to give you better barrier penetration and deliver the projectile closer to your point of aim, instead of being deflected or slowed when it hits something like a bone.

>>33356028
>that's how we keep half the girls from qualifying
wth I love .40 now

I don't really care what pistol cartridge people/cops/mil use, the majority of them are too close in performance with the majority of applications for it to matter anyways. The only reason I shitpost about .40 is it got a dumb reputation because of the FBI and le and something like .357 sig got shitcanned to the point you can only get 2 modern production guns chambered for it from the factory.

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I find it bizarre how people can say that .40S&W is too snappy, and then two sentences later praise 10mm for being the "superior" cartridge. Do you have no sense of logical consistency, or are you just unable to hear yourself talk?

>>33356095
>The only reason I shitpost about .40 is it got a dumb reputation because of the FBI and le and something like .357 sig got shitcanned to the point you can only get 2 modern production guns chambered for it from the factory.
I don't know if this makes any difference, but I shitpost about .40 because I'm paying for school working at a gun store and 90% of the people who buy .40 do so because they're from low income or minority communities and have heard long stories of bullshit about the caliber and say dumb shit like "9mm is too small, it makes a tiny hole" then jizz themselves at .357 revolvers, or "heh cops use .40 because 9mm just makes junkies flinch".
Most of the latter look like junkies themeselves, track marks and everything, but NICS never fails to send a proceed after a two day delay to investigate their multiple misdemeanors they almost checked yes to on 11i

>>33356105
>snappy with no additional benefit
Seems like you left that part out.

>>33356126
>"9mm is too small, it makes a tiny hole" then jizz themselves at .357 revolvers
I don't even work at a gun store and this shit is infuriating, so I can only imagine what it'd be like hearing something this dumb every day. This is what happens when you standardize two different naming schemes and measurement standards for the same thing.

>>33356155
>smaller hole
>-t I haven't taken high school physics

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>>33356135
Because those extra 150 fps are literally enough to make the difference between just maiming a man, and blowing his head clean off.

>>33356180
Talk to me when your meme caliber can deliver 800 ft-lbs and disable bears.

>>33356155
>so I can only imagine what it'd be like hearing something this dumb every day
They buy a Taurus right after saying that, and two weeks later when they show up to send it back to get repaired can't understand how anyone could spend a whole two hunnid and fiffy dollars for a gun that requires cleaning and clean brass to run without malfunction.

>>33356199
The difference is miniscule. Anything 10mm can do, .40 can do about as well.

>disable bears
Neither can do that unless you have perfect shot placement.

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>17 rounds of 40S&W

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>>33356228
This. Check these ballistics.

10mm is a meme.

>>33355257
>they were the fucks who killed 10mm
No they didn't, dummy.

You're just mad that it's not the FBI's job to promote the 10mm.

>>33356333
Very scientific.

>>33356333
DOUBLE TRIPS CONFIRMS

>>33356228
>Anything 10mm can do, .40 can do about as well.

That's only true for the common load 10mm. There are some really hot loads of 10mm exceed the limitations of the .40 by virtue of the 10mm case having more room for powder.

>>33356228
>Neither can do that unless you have perfect shot placement.

Not necessarily. Mag dumping a .40 or 10mm on a Brownie WILL kill it.

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>>33356180
>those extra 150 fps are literally enough to make the difference between just maiming a man, and blowing his head clean off.

>>33356355
Again, a miniscule gain in velocity.

>>33356355
Aaaaaand that's why 10mms are notorious for cracked frames.

Thanks for playing.

>>33355214
>>Costs nearly double what 9mm does
Either you're getting really good deals on 9mm or you're getting cucked on the .40 prices.

>>Snappy recoil with no significant benefit
Nah, recoil is managable and you're just another limp-wristed bitch who doesn't want to put any effort in training.

>>Completely outclassed by 10mm and .357 Sig
And you call the .40 snappy and expensive?
Generic loads of 10mm are just glorified .40 or .45 performance only more expensive. You have pay about $1/rd for the good stuff that makes 10mm worthwhile.
.357 SIG shares the same issue as the 10mm only its even more expensive and more of a hassle to reloaders. The only thing .357 SIG brings to the table is extra penetration which is its own can of worms.

>>Lower capacity
Exactly the same as the 10mm and .357 SIG you hold so dear. More capacity than .45.

>>Always retrofitted into 9mm designs. Always chambered as an afterthought.
Is that supposed to be a negative? That's part of the reason why it became so prolific and readily available. The sheer variety of different guns you can get it in was very attractive to the consumer.
Are you some kind of idiot that believes everything should be built on its own proprietary platform?

>>33356126
To be fair, most of the gun community are idiots.

>>33355214
>it's another this cartridge is better than my 9 but that's okay because it's not as good as these other cartridges which are also better than my 9, there fore my 9 is the best because it's cheap episode
>>33356333
>it's another episode of my self defense ammunition is designed so it doesn't make exit wounds yet it's still suppose to somehow be relevant

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>>33356581
>it's another episode of anon forgot to attach pic

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>>33355214
I find it fun to shoot.

I shoot .40 and I find it a fun caliber to shoot. Guy at my gun shop said it was tough to master, so I was helpless to give it a shot. Pun intended.

I never saw all the arguments about one handgun caliber vs. another being important. Being shot is being shot, and for a civilian penetration isn't that important.

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>>33356126
>junkies

To be fair most drug addicts are actually functional and keep their addiction really low key and thats why you never hear about them.. for example many doctors and er nurses may take adderal to keep them awake and alert during extremely long shifts.

The reason people think that all drug users are junkies or even lol weed xD stoners is because those are the only people that make their drug use evident and advertise to the world they have a small vulnerability

Nothing is more cringy in a movie or show than stereotypical junkies full of urban legends.. the best representations show the other half of the story where drug addicts simply keep their shit tight and hide it from the world.

My source for this information is a few doctors I know that use drugs for their beneficial effects and also my old boss who i am still friends with that is a drug addict but also a millionaire and manager of a top security company with hundreds of employees.

All common handgun calibers suck at killing shit, the whole point is that they trade their capability to kill shit for compactness and concealability.

Might as well go with the cheapest for more training and biggest mag capacity.

It's a good choice for certain USPSA divisions

>>33356931
10mm isn't one of those calibers tho :^)

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>>33355952
But Anon what about 10mm +P loads? And also what about when you forgot to look at bullet weight before you said they're basically the same?

10mm HPR is 180gn moving at 1290 fps. 40s&w HPR is 180gn moving at 960fps. Buffalo Bore 40s&w +P is still a 180gn moving at only 1100fps. The 10mm regular loads are 180gn moving 1300 or a 200gn moving 1200fps.
The only way 40s&w is doing close to that speed is with the 155-165gn bullets.

Please stop parroting what all your friends at arfcom say because it's not 'just as good' and overpressure loads don't even make it to 10mm auto levels.

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>>33356774
i tell people being a tweaker isn't what makes those homeless bad people, it's being a bad person.

>>33356774
Not exactly; a minority of drug users are the hot mess you see on the news, another minority are normal people you see everyday, and most are "functional" addicts that barely skirt by enough money to feed themselves and their addictions until they die poor and alone, often transitioning to the first group in the process. Both the first and third group can clearly be called junkies.

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>>33356089
>The Glocks jam.
Here an accessory that makes glocks not jam anymore.

>>33356155
But 357 is .357 and 9 is .355
It makes a smaller hole!

>>33357544
>.38 acp is .358
Why even bother, 9mm fags? Outclassed by a cartridge from 1900.

>>33355271
>Finally, several firearms were designed for .40 S&W first only to be retrofitted with 9mm barrels later on.
which means absolutely nothing when 40 was specifically designed to fit in 9mm frames

>>33356089
>b-but they're always retrofitted 9mm designs!!!
>No, they are not, and even when a manufacturer does this, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Can anybody recommend a good handfun built specifically for the .40/.357 Sig?

>>33355270
This man is retarded.
Lemme jus pull out muh handkannon

>>33357628
You're an idiot
My gp100 was created for .357, that doesn't mean it's better than .40, 9mm, or 10mm
But that's what you're implying with your thought process.

>>33357924
The USP was specifically designed around .40, and not 9mm or 45 ACP. If you saw the thread yesterday where that /k/ommando was having nonstop jams with his new USP Compact in 9mm because he was using weak ammo, that's the reason.

>>33357527
Can someone explain how limp wristing makes failure to feed anyhow? I've never actually seen it


t. Springfield XD-40 owner that's loaded 200gr lead whoopass

>>33357527
>Muh limpwristing meme
>Carrying a gun you know will fail when you need it most

If my gun doesn't cycle when held by noodle girlly arms it is literal garbage worse than a Hi-Point.

>>33358722
It reduces the energy that goes into cycling the slide. It isn't a problem unless your gun is dirty, shit, or you shoot underpowered ammo for the recoil spring you have.

>>33355214
I own a .40 S&W and it works just fine, aka I don't care.

>>33358603
But it actually is better them ....

>>33357924
Sig P229, P239, HK USP. The FN polymer pistols were all designed for multiple caliber use - it's not like they were from the pre-.40 era and then only rebarrelled as an afterthought. Really, any polymer pistol designed after 1990 has had some thought put into it to make it work with .40.

>>33355214
>>Snappy recoil with no significant benefit
>>Completely outclassed by 10mm and .357 Sig

You do know that the recoil of a 10mm pistol is going to be a whole lot more "snappy," right? Cause I really don't think you do.

Is polymer engineering advanced enough to make reliable 10mm guns and it's just a thing of guns not being built for it or are we stuck with finicky 10mm guns for a while?

>>33359743
The Glock 20 works perfectly fine with the "downloaded" 10mm stuff made by commercial manufacturers.

>>33359754
How about pre-FBI 10mm loads? Do you think real 10mm will be a steel-only thing for the foreseeable future?

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>>33355214
>snappy recoil
>talks about how great .357 sig is

You do realize .357 sig is way snappier right

Also only limp wristed bitches care about "snappy" calibers.

Prove me wrong

>>33359720
>>33358668
How's the USP40 full size grip-size wise? I'm a handlet (XS-XXS glove size), so that's my biggest consideration
>inb4 compact, live in Canada and it's prohibited

People can only be medically incapacitated 2 ways with slug-chuckers (((boolits))).

A brain stem hit - the only instant and 100% guaranteed off switch.

The other way is blood loss. Blood loss via drop in blood pressure is a time-based situation with boolit wounds from handguns, even with a completely perforated heart a human being can physically function up to around 8 seconds - and that's assuming a perfect high thoracic cavity strike - gun fights are very imperfect, you might want to plan on carving out significantly more tissue.

The more tissue you crush and remove the faster blood is lost. More kinetic energy imparts more trauma, generates bigger permanent crush cavities, shatters more bones and drives pieces of those bones further with more energy, lacerating and causing more hemorrhaging.

.40 is wily and recognized as high energy, laws of physics dictate equal and opposite reactions. If your rounds dump more trauma imparting, tissue crushing kinetic energy into the target it's perfectly reasonable to expect more fight from the gun in return.

Typically, for an advanced level shooter (someone at the 60%-75% mark) .40 S&W adds about ~.15 seconds to splits which is proportionally almost exactly how much more energy they dump in to the target than 9x19 (~50% more) - In my opinion it's a side-grade, a fair trade, whatever you want to call it. The numbers actually skew in favor of the .40S&W but as stated I'm also assuming an advanced level of shooting from the operator so there is discrepancy.

>>33360082

In the 90's and early 2000's recording and compiling volumes of anecdotal, individual shootings and their results was a very popular metric. During this time the .40S&W outperformed every other duty caliber in terms of one shot stops.

Yeah, we know now a days that this is not good science, doesn't change the fact that a fuckload of aggressors have been put down right then right there with a single .40S&W

All this said,40 is a complete side grade, you literally exchange the almost exact proportional amount of speed for almost the exact proportional gain in tissue crushing. I'm not saying it's better than 9x19, I'm just really fucking tired of the echo chamber regurgitated one liners tossed around the web like gospel, all because some bureaucratic bean counters at the FBI needed to justify cutting ammo cost and training.

Also don't hold your breath on the complete flushing of 40.

The ice we are on is so thin is will take one high profile incident of an anecdotal nature where someone survives a strike from the current hotness (A La Miami FBI shootout) and we will go back around the merry-go-round of higher energy, more powerful ballistic reasoning.

>>33360008
I am between small and medium gloves, and it's a good fit. What are some examples of handguns that fit you/don't fit you? XXS sounds pretty small.

>>33358722
i happened to me first time shooting, i hada g21 and it jammed like 5 times in 50 rounds, and with a 17 rental gun.. Well i think it was limp wristing they wer eboth rentals, but never happened to me with any other handguns ever since...
Oh and i do own now a g 19 no jams unles i hold it really low and try to make it fail

>>33360160
The Sig P226 I find uncomfortably large, and can't even pull the trigger on double action. The M&P9 is much better, but I could stand to go a bit smaller for comfort. A single stack would probably be the best option for me, but my choices are severely limited by the law, which is that handgun barrels need to be a minimum of 106mm/4.2"

>>33360082
>This meme again

You're wrong, there are dozens of ways to incapacitate.

>lung failure
>heart failure
>Neck trauma
>Central nerve system damage
>Blow their hands/elbows out

But the head is the most practical target, if you can hit it (which is not so easy past 5 yards)

>>33360190
Well the USP's single action won't be an issue for you, and you could always just treat it like a SAO pistol (you can even change out the detent so the safety lever no longer decocks the hammer), but I can't say for sure if the double action pull will work for you. Is is shorter than a Sig's pull, but still long.

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Easy, Jonny.

Your bar mitzvah was just last year.

>>33359754
But supposedly tends to have occasional issues with heavy 10mm loadings from what i hear...

>>33356333
Anons favourite troll cahrt. even with the best modern loadings the difference between a high expansion reasonable penetrationt 9mm and .45ACP round is about .20". EX. 115gr barnes tac-xpd vs 230gr HST. One has double the mass and the other has around 1/3rd more velocity. Sure, .45 has a slight on paper edge but whether that means anything irl is a more complicated matter.

>>33360465
It's really not the ideal carry gun, but it's what I have been carrying in the woods just because there's nothing else in its niche.

>>33360269

The operative word is medically anon.

We don't should for "maybe" stops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T85RSuPeQoA

>>33355214

>Costs nearly double what 9mm does

hwat?

>>33360269
Meh not him but yes and no, depends on what you mean by incapacitate. hes totes wrong about there only being two but some of what you mention is more examples of specific kinds of trauma or incorrect.

meaning 1- Can no longer function

Means- Unconsciousness, paralysis, or mechanical inability.

causes- bp irregularity(too low of volume or syncope), deoxygenation, CNS trauma, neural overload/discordance(when somebody gets KTFO), amputation, or disarticulation(broadly defined).

All of these will make an individual physically unable to pose a threat via unconsciousness or physical separation of the underlying nervous, muscular, or connective tissues required to complete a function.

meaning 2- stops functioning

everything previously mentioned plus pain, extreme emotional distress, or a reasoned decision to stop.

Source: years and years of A&P classes. Also, i kinda limited myself to what was pertinent to this discussion as there are at least several other means of inducing a medical inability to preform a function as complex as firing a weapon or engaging in a physical attack relating to various medical conditions, toxins, or chemical means.

>>33360610
>>33360543

Recoil aside is .40 cal great for penetration? if it's good for auto glass will it be even better for penetrating chest bone more then a 9mm would?

I have a glock 19 but I'm thinking of getting a glock 22 also.

I'm talking bout using jhps btw not fmj.

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>>33360008
It is pretty large. You will need to be very aware of your grip technique, but it will be doable.
>>33360160
If you like 9mm, I would suggest the 92a1 or 92 Vertec. They go a long way toward addressing the grip size issues that the older 92fs has. As a bonus, if you get a 96 (the .40), all you need is a new barrel (new extractor is optional as it makes little difference) and you have a 9mm. The 10 round .40 mags will hold about 14 rounds of 9, and a follower swap will get you 15. A thing worth knowing for leaf bros.

That said, the 96 is a great example of a .40 that was designed as a minor rework of a 9mm design. Seriously, the only differences are barrel, a slightly more open feed ramp on the .40s, the extractor, and the mag followers.

>>33360767
how many OIS or DGU videos have you seen? it's very uncommon for an individual to receive one, let alone multiple hits to the upper thoracic cavity and keep fighting for 8s. people tend to go limp and/or unconcious long before pure blood loss or BP change would cause such a reaction. an individual can stay conscious after losing a significant proportion of their blood volume with slow bleeds. rapid changes in excitation, BP, or loading of KE into delicate structures has unpredictable effects on state of mind and consciousness. For that matter, specifically severing connective or nervous tissue necessary for performing an action will prevent an individual from performing that action. While what you speak of is in general true for a worst case perspective it is not true for the majority of real life incidents.

>>33355840
How does it feel to have extremely poor taste?

>>33361041
All true - but we plan for every possibility and worst case scenarios, I mean at least I do.

I don't think we are in contention here, I think we just draw our personal comfort line a little different, fair enough?

>>33361080
Indeed, and to be clear i do feel that practically speaking one should currently base their carry ammo choice on very facklerish principals. Adequate penetration, reliable expansion, and expansion size should be one's concerns regarding ammo. Then what you shoot best. That being said i feel that there are some purely biological factors at work that aren't directly related to those few things and we are currently looking at a slightly incomplete picture physiologically speaking. That's why i cant help but sperg out when people claim to have a complete functional understanding of the physiological behavior of individuals when shot. If i were to go out on a limb, all i would say is that it seems likely imo that there are some KE related responses in the wounded and that i would hesitate to champion lower energy similarly physically performing rounds over higher energy similarly physically preforming rounds to too much of a degree. While it's true that your split times will likely be slightly better with the lower energy rounds, IF KE is a factor in rapid incapacitation then I don't know that it would be more advantageous than putting 25-30% more energy on target in almost the same area and almost the same amount of time.

>>33361250

I think we are on the same page - you certainly have a deeper anatomical understanding than me, I just have surface level, but vetted talking points.

I absolutely agree that psychology is huge - in fact that probably ends the most gun fights, but I don't train for that is all.

>>33361250
>facklerish

Did you just make up a word?

>>33356087
>Have you shot a 10mm?
Yes, today at the range actually.
>It's not painful, but it's not easy to shoot quickly.
Maybe you and/or your gun just suck. My pastagat is quick to get back on target.

>>33361340
in the style of dr. fackler, ballistics man

>>33360808
anyone?

>>33356418
Literally this. Anyone who shits on .40's either has never shot one or is nogunz. I carry either 9,40 or 45 and all have pros and cons

>>33361388
.40 is going to perform better than 9mm ballistically

It's really a question of if the recoil and reduced capacity are worth it for you.

>>33361340
Yes and no, id consider it to be a good example of emergent jargon. it's used, typically in a somewhat derogatory fashion, to refer to those who show a great or even zealous adherence to the ideas of dr.Fackler as they relate to wound ballistics. Im not the only person who uses it but it's uncommon to see even in these types of discussion.

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>>33355214
>Yankee Marshall post; wipes cum off his moustache and proclaims that something common and good is terrible to get views

1/10 got me to respond to your shitty thread.

>>33355214
>Snappy recoil with no significant benefit
This is a non-issue for actual men. I agree with the other points though.

>>33361534
I had problems with a glock 23, I guess in a glock 22 recoil wouldn't be as bad. Plus 15+1 is still high cap. Guess I'm bout to be a proud owner of a trade glock 22.

>>33361647
YOU AREN'T EVEN MY REAL DAD

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>>33356087
>Same reason LEOs used to carry .357's loaded with .38+p

You mean to say that there are LEO that still carry revolvers?

>>33361850
There are other gun manufacturers you know...

>>33360008
>XXS glove size
I don't believe you.

Post pic of hand next to dollar bill

>>33362119
>used to
Supposedly some counterterrorist force in France uses .357 magnum revolvers.

>>33362119
Japan's police force still does.

>>33362169
GIGN, yep.

>>33362119
according to anime some nips do.

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>>33361006
>extractor

I think you mean the ejector. I'm fairly certain that the extractor (and the rest of the slide assy) is exactly the same between the two calibers.

>>33362140
Yeh but there not glocks lol

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>>33362544
>there not
>lol
I wish I could hate glocksuckers to death

>>33355257
They invented 10mm, you mongoloid.

>>33362585
This. Women killed it.

I just don't see the point. Just get a 9mm or a .45. Nobody likes the middle child.

>>33362578
Fuck up bitch it's mostly aesthetics for me.

I liked them since I was a lil kid.

>>33362169
I think they're transitioning from it but since the .357 Manhurin MR73 has become "symbolic" of their unit (and they had impressive feats of accuracy with it) they still feature it heavily in press pictures and in training (they do their "confidence shots" with it, where members shoot each other in the chest and trust each other to never hit anywhere but in the body armor).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJecVFaLGq0

In their official website (in French) they also mention that they use the MR73 as their main weapon, but still carry semi autos as "backups".

http://www.gign.org/groupe-intervention/?p=805

On the other hand, since they barely ever shoot (and even then they rarely need more than one shot).

The 9mm Manhurin MR73 used to be the main sidearm for the French "Police Nationale" (national police). Since they had lots of 9mm ammo lying around (because it had been adopted by the army), and those revolver were cheap and popular (but .357 was too expensive and hard hitting for cops) they just switched the cylinders for ones specialy designed to hold the rimless 9mm. It was also mostly a political decision (after WW2 they wanted the police to look nothing like soldiers, so having them carry visually different handguns was a solution).

Nowadays "Police Nationale" totally switched to 9mm semi autos. But since those 9mm Manhurin are in great shape, and there are stacks of it (and France doesn't resale for surplus) every minor law enforcement agency gets outfited with those revolvers. Guys like our equivalent of park rangers, border security, rail security officers, municipal police forces (every city decides if theirs should be armed or not and the poorer ones end up with revolvers)...

>>33362493
No. I do mean the extractor. The .40 will work with 9, but it tends to fling brass up a bit more. The 9 extractor sometimes will hang up on .40 when chambering. I found this out after swapping in the 9 extractor (it is the Inox one in the original pic). They is probably why Beretta sold the 40/9 kits with two slides.

How hard is it to transition from 9mm to 10mm? I want to see what the hype is about.

>>33362969
I've heard it kicks like .45

>>33362969
>How hard is it to transition from 9mm to 10mm?
Well, you just need to give the slide of your 9mm a good tap to make sure the 10mm round is snugly in the chamber, then have a blast!

>>33362969
2.5x the recoil, like a .357

>>33363140
kek

>>33355840
Gross.

>>33362928
That's weird because Beretta doesn't differentiate between the two calibers when ordering a replacement extractor:

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-extractor-for-92-/-96-black-6-/

>>33355214
>>Costs nearly double what 9mm does
no.
>>Snappy recoil with no significant benefit
proven stopping power.
>>Completely outclassed by 10mm and .357 Sig
much cheaper, less wear on the gun, more widely available, more gun models to choose from.
>>Lower capacity
okay, slightly.
>>Always retrofitted into 9mm designs. Always chambered as an afterthought.
wrong. there are many guns designed around the cartridge. just a few examples are the Sig SP2022, the HK USP, and the SW M&P.

>>33363884
>bitches about cost while simultaneously pimping .357 sig and 10mm

OP is a fag

>>33362928
>They is probably why Beretta sold the 40/9 kits with two slides.

I've heard rumours of those so-called ".40 conversion kits" for the 92 over the years, but I've never seen any record of Beretta offering them in official capacity or anybody of distinction that can substantiate it. All anybody has been able to dig up have been some 3rd-party offering a complete 96 top end on their website which indicates that it's most likely that these people are just packaging factory Beretta parts as a conversion kit and there is no official kit from Beretta.

>>33355860

Why not just buy the 9mm model right away???

>>33363803
I am not trying to have an argument, but the part you linked to specified 9mm. The Beretta forum FAQ talks about different extractors (and ejectors, so I will give you that. I kept a .40 where when I did my conversion and it gave me no trouble), and the Brownell's part catalog lists only a 9mm extractor with no mention of it being compatible with the 96.

I can say that when I pulled the .40 extractor from my 96 and compared it to the new "9mm" part I ordered, the claw was longer on the 9 part. The newer extractor shifted my ejection from 012:30/01:00 to about 02:30 with 9mm, and when I dropped my .40 barrel back in the gun frequently needed a bit of a slide tap to go into battery.

I have not tried switching extractors back, so I cannot totally verify that changing this one part is what is driving that odd malfunction with the .40 barrel.

>>33363884
yea yea and .22 is a proven manstopper too

If this is bait it sucks because most agree on this one anon

>>33364430
If you can hit them in the heart or head.

And if its the heart it'll kill them AFTER they kill you.