Carry Ammo

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>>33348109
>choosing hydrashok over HST
TOP FUCKING KEK, what a madlad you are.

>>33348109
What's your preferred ammo?

Durrrrrr. Different ammo different calibers. being 18 and not fucking stupid would help.

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Federal 9BPLE. Best non-meme carry ammo. Only about 30¢/round for JHP +P+.

https://youtu.be/W9iiaXoRaRY

>>33348139
It's safe to assume op is 21 if he got a pistol

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>>33348139

I've been carrying pic related for awhile based on a handful of recommendations. Just looking to broaden my horizons on different 9mm CC loads.

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>still believing in the expanding ammo meme

Just stop this. It does NOTHING to improve the effectiveness of the cartridge, which has been proven over and over and over again. At most, it reduces ricochets.

Why are you wasting your money on less reliable ammo that doesn't improve your stop potential, at all?

Why do people still believe in this nonsense? Why are people such memesluts?

Buy FMJ, buy ammo that penetrates more, feeds more reliably, and is the same ammo you practice with.

Anything else is just... stupidity.

>>33348109
I like carrying FMJ because I like penetrating multiple people, lol

>>33348215
I carry this.

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>>33348263

The hydra-shoks are pretty dated now, just go with Speer or Hornady loads.

I carry Hornady Critical Duty or Defense

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>>33348109
>What is /k/'s preferred carry ammo?
Whatever your gun likes most. My 92FS seems to do best with Hornady Critical Defense

>>33348263
>Just stop this. It does NOTHING to improve the effectiveness of the cartridge

Have you ever shot at soft targets? Because you're wrong and you should know you are wrong.

>>33348263
>bigger gaping holes in vital organs are not better than smaller gaping holes in vital organs goy!

top kek m8, good banter

>>33348109
147gr gold dots. I'm switching over to 124gr +P tho

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>>33348803
>fuddposting
Ugh. It's like talking to children.

>>33348215
>He fell for the polymer tip meme

Lol choose hst, gold dot, or federal tactical bonded

>>33348880

>Zed being a cunt
Answer the question you faggot.

>>33348777
>>33348803
Don't feed him

Let the fmj fag starve

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>>33348880
unless you can make the claim 9mm ball goes all the way through and makes two holes to bleed out through it's not as good as defensive ammo

if penetration is not adequate to reach spine/CNS depth then bullet technology should be adapted.

there is no reason to use ball other than cost.

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>>33348109
I carry this. Feeds perfectly in a M9/92FS.

>>33349066

>IMI

This is bait right?

>>33348934
>bleed out
Do you have ANY idea how long it takes someone to bleed out to the point that they can't pull a trigger anymore? It could take minutes or hours. A self defense shooting situation lasts a matter of seconds.

Also, people being shot at tend to get behind things. What happens to your precious expansion then? That's right, it either gets plugged (tl;dr - it acts like FMJ) or it gets deflected, or it starts to expand partially and gives up penetration to do it.

You've just been trained by decades of gun marketing to think that pretty lead flowers are life-savers. They're not. They're a gimmick, a meme, and they suck the money from fools.

Stop being a memeslut for the gun industry.

>>33348919
What question? About soft targets?
Yes, I have shot soft targets. With FMJ. What is your point?

>>33349108
greater terminal effect without barriers is probably important to a lot of people with CC weapons though, in lots of defense gun use footage they aren't shooting through obstacles, more often they are hanging the gun around a counter and firing at each other like everything is bulletproof

for military purposes penetration is extremely important

>>33349157
Your argument boils down to
>muh feels

Then you admit that penetration is important to the military. Hello!

I'm actually glad though, I feel like you're at least on the road to realizing that everything you've read in gun magazines and websites has been geared toward making you believe that expensive JHP is better than FMJ is not quite adding all up.

It's like trying to convince a religious person that the fairy-tale man in the sky isn't real though. It's a VERY deeply held belief. It just doesn't stand up to facts.

>>33349197

>It's like trying to convince a religious person that the fairy-tale man in the sky isn't real though. It's a VERY deeply held belief. It just doesn't stand up to facts.

>tips fedora

>>33349197
I am one of those on the fence about hollar tips. My gun is loaded with them but my spare back up mags are loaded with fmj. What about all the fear mongering from hp fags and facing court for using fmj or penetrating to much and you accidentally penetrated the mom next door.

>>33349122
Have you also shot them with holla points?

No? You fucked up.

Last month I took my friend to my cabin to help me shoot up a tree we wanted gone. This is a fucking old, rotting oak. You touch the thing and it's squishy like a sponge. We used a WASR-10, my 16" AR, his AR pistol, my 92FS, his 1911 carry gun, his new Rossi .38 and both of our shotguns

When we finally dropped it, we examined every part of the stump we had shot at. Guess what we found lodged inside it?

.45 ACP FMJ's, 00-buckshot and my 9mm hollowpoints. You know what did the most actual damage? My 9mm hollowpoints. We were able to see the pathing of the .45's. My nines scooped up fucking everything around them on their way in and took it with, producing a fuckton more visible damage.

As Hickock45 has said, if I were strictly limited to using FMJ, I would stick to .45 as my go-to caliber. If I weren't, I would feel bretty good with 9mm hollows.

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>>33349197
It's really not that hard to understand.

If you aren't shooting through barriers primarily then the greater terminal effectiveness of non-FMJ bullet technology will be of great benefit.

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>>33349250
>>33349235
How much better does ball 9mm actually penetrate than non-FMJ though?

Is it even enough to be worth it?

>>33348109
I carry 150gr HST Micro in my P290RS
Critical defense in my 320SC, LCP and LC9s
I just use what feeds most reliably and passes 4-layer denim tests, because I live in a cold-weather state.

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>>33349250
>ME AN BUBBA DUN SHOWT US UP A STUMP!
>DAS PROOF DEM HALLAR PINTS BE BETTAR!
This is every argument with every JHP fanboi, ever.

>>33349250
>>33349258
>How much better does ball 9mm actually penetrate than non-FMJ though?

If you're asking me, I didn't see a single 9mm FMJ in the tree. They went in and went out like the rifles did.

I also forgot to say we were shooting handguns at a distance of 10 yards from the tree. Shotguns and rifles were fired from a distance of 15-20y from the tree.

>>33349284
>HURR it's invalid
I don't usually have sides of beef to blast apart, so it's the best I can do buddy. Deal with rotting wood or fuck off.

>>33349284
>Someone who doesn't know how hollowpoints work taking issue with a guy who actually goes shooting

/k/ da bess

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>>33349258
JHP is calibrated to penetrate 12"-14"
FMJ typically penetrates 28" or more.
So yeah... that's VERY worth it.
There's not even any contest.

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>>33349301
>IMMA IGNORE ALL EVIDENCE FROM ER DOCTORS, BALLISTICS GEL TESTING, ACTUALL STREET SHOOTINGS.
>MAH STUMP, I TELLS YA! IZ DE ONLIEST EVADANCE I NEEDS!

>>33349108
Depending on if you hit an artery, about 2-4 minutes.
Shoot them more than once, maybe ? Shoot them in vitals spots. All these fucking stupid arguments are based on is that "is one bullet good enough hurr durr." Doesn't matter what you shoot them with, hit them in the head or center mass... multiple times. The aim is to suppress the threat. It's not deer hunting when it comes to self defense. If they run away in pain...fine. If they die instantly... fine. As long as I'm alive. So stop with this bullshit in general, arguing about what bullet is best.

T. Combat Medic

>>33349351
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>>33349362
so lots of little holes are better than fewer bigger holes?

>>33349377
A little hole will stop your heart or brain just as easily as a big hole.

>>33349377
>>33349385
Use what you're comfortable with, can aim with, and can follow up with.

>>33349362
>Depending on if you hit an artery, about 2-4 minutes.
>T. Combat Medic

FUCKING /THREAD

Thank you anon, for setting these retards straight.

>>33349385
>A little hole will stop your heart or brain just as easily as a big hole.
HALLE FUCKING LEUJA!

Holy hell, FINALLY someone with some common sense in the thread.

>>33349333
what about the argument that you want to use HP because you don't want to shoot through your target and hit something else too?

>>33349520

CUz every shot will always be a head or heart shot right? LOL THESE GUISE ARE SO STUPID.

>>33349567

>he doesn't operate at high speeds all the time

casuals

>>33349524
>what about the argument that you want to be a total fucking idiot?

Nope, can't fight stupid. Won't even try.

Proof you're an idiot: Find me an example of a SD shooting where the target was HIT-- not a total miss, you moron-- but an actual HIT where the bullet passed through and hit someone innocent.

Then, even if you can FIND that, compare that to ALL THE REST of the SD shootings where that DIDNT happen, and then sit there in your chair and contemplate how utterly dumb you are.

>>33349267
fyi, save your pennies and just get 147gr. tests have shown that while the 150gr is better, it's a very small improvement and you are better off(monetarily) with 147gr, especially since 150gr micro doesn't come in cheap 50rd LEO boxes.

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>>33349567
There is only ONE thing that will cause rapid incapcitation, and that is a hit to the heart, CNS, or aortic arch.

If you miss those areas, you keep shooting till you hit one. Otherwise, the attacker can still kill you.

And... guess what? It utterly doesn't matter if you hit those areas with FMJ or JHP. So logic dictates that you use the bullet that feds more reliably, has better penetration, and that you actually practice with. YFW.

This isn't hard, guys. At all.

>>33349580
It's not about how I operate. It's about probability. We're talking about shooting at a presumably armed target who won't just fucking stand still.

>>33349622
Go shoot some more fucking paper and shut up already.

>>33349632

I appreciate the you anon but I was just being a massive faggot, I didn't need a response, much like Zed.

>>33349632
We can't all be self-taught terminal stump ballistics subject matter experts Anon.

>>33349660
>Shoot immobile targets all the time
>HEY GUISE I CAN HEADSHOT ANYONE AT ANY TIME I WANT

You really are a fucking headcase.

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>>33349672
see
>>33349122

OH damn, now you have to STFU. Does it feel bad?

>>33348109
Hornady Critical Defense, Just like most other mother fuckers. Or zombie, if it happens to be cheaper.

>>33349672
>>Shoot immobile targets all the time
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>>33349122
>Yes, I have shot soft targets

Christ you are stupid when you rev up.

>>33349581
Why are you yelling at me?? =(
I wasn't attacking you I was asking questions, I want to carry fmj you big bully I was just asking reassuring questions because you seemed like you knew what you were talking about, but now you just look like a giant sandy cunt angsty teenage bitchboy.

>>33349753
Oh sorry, I thought you were that other Anon that was being dumb.

>>33349567
The problem with most of you civilian guntards is that you want to drop top dollar on the coolest, best thing youve read or heard is awesome, ammo or gun.... but you lack the basics or experience in shooting effectively. You don't need a 2000$ gun, you need a 500$ gun with 1500$ worth of training. Like the other dude said... you will need to hit those spots for effective stop/kill. If you can't, then fall in line with all of histories dead men who didn't perform. Life isn't fair, you may die... but don't make it easy for them. Find out what cycles through your firearm with least failures, and best accuracy
>examples
I can't hit follow up shots with a .40 to save my life, but I can put multiple holes in something in a tight group with .45 or 9mm all day. I also have had lots of failures to feed with those hornady's that have that rubber plunger in the middle of the HP, so I use something else that does.

>>33349786
All good.

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>>33349800
>The problem with most of you civilian guntards is that you want to drop top dollar on the coolest, best thing youve read or heard is awesome, ammo or gun

>CIVILIANS
>implying

Guy my first gun ever was a fucking Mosin-Nagant, and I aspired to buy a fucking WASR-10. Keep your generalizations to yourself.

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This is basically how these discussions always end: I totally destroy JHP as being valid, and all the Anons start screaming and shitposting and have no valid counterargument.

They're just angry that I've shut down their favorite meme.

That's when I post pic related and they shit their collective pants.

>>33349834
>That's when I post pic related and they shit their collective pants.
And what does this prove?

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>>33349800
Best Post In Thread/10

>>33349834

>SIG MEME

wew lad, you got us. fuck /k/ time to off ourselves

>>33349753
>now you just look like a giant sandy cunt angsty teenage bitchboy.
Because he is. Zed is a notorious retard who defends remington on the regular.
An extra .5 inch expansion to the hole you poke in a target might be the difference between a CNS shot and a non-lethal flesh wound. Add in that barriers that can stop JHP will stop FMJ, too, and the fact that overpenetration can harm people around you.
If JHP was a meme, every agency that gets the chance wouldn't carry it, and it wouldn't be banned under the Hague.

>>33349524
That's the actual good reason every police department switched to hp rounds years ago, yes. Hollow points penetrate fine, the issue is generally getting them to expand in the target.

This thread is a blast from the past

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>faggots not using HST

get with the program, gents

>>33348263
HPFAGS BTFO

WHAT'LL IT BE, BOY, FULL MANLY JACKET OR HIPPY POINT?

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>>33348109
115 +P DPX because it prints really close to target 115

Looking to make the switch to 124 HST and just eat the extra 1 or 2 pennies a round for target 124

>>33348215
that ammo is pure unfettered shit, I hope you like failure to feeds when your life depends on it.

>>33351215
HST is pretty much all I buy, although I am currently carrying some SIG ammo in my SIG.

it came with the gun and I've never fired it. Sue me.

>>33351475

>carrying a round you've never fired

m8, plz

>>33349581
Quit the ad hominem attacks and use some basic reasoning instead of insults, people might take you seriously you whiney, egotistical namefag

>>33348215
This. My P226 likes these, and they have good reviews, so I'm happy with them

>>33348109
124 grain gold dot. Works for cops, proven on the street.. good enough for me.

>>33348263
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>>33349581
Peach pls

>>33352563

>Zeds followers are more retarded than he is

kek

>>33348109
Nothing beats literally any XTP load.

>>33348263
>What is energy transfer

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>>33348109
Corbon 9mm 115gr +P JHP. It's hot shit and will fuck up someone's day easy.

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>>33353270
Monica

>>33351469
does bullet weight have any felt effect on recoil?

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>>33352784
>energy transfer
hoo boy.

>>33353864
Sure, but it's not exclusive, felt recoil is physics, you take the mass + energy - there it is. Light rounds can recoil more than heavy ones, if they are hot enough.

This is also where the "40 is snappy" stuff comes from - varying combos of speed and weight create a perceived difference in a "snap" or a "push" - but in the end that's all hog wash because energy is energy and you fight back and it's tamed all the same. Cry babies be damned.

>>33354034
I presently have a Glock 43 (Georgia gun) and I'm looking to tame the "snappyness" of the damn thing to where a follow up shot is more reasonable. I've tried all sorts of target loads, but haven't been able to find a weight that i like nor any differences i could discern. Any recommendations?
I primary bought the G43 bcuz of the barrel length being slightly longer then most deep CCW. My theory is the longer barrel allows for longer powder burn, in turn, not needing +P ammo to make up for the "power" loss and taming recoil... am i wrong for thinking like this? ty for the replies!

>>33348109

I use Federal "Law Enforcement" HST

Several times cheaper than normal HST, but same thing

>>33348109
I use HST in my LCP II, Gold Dots in my Px4 9mm SC.

>>33354131

I would recommend some light grip strength training - if it comes as a snap or a push with equal energy it's the same sight disparity and time loss - you are only perceiving the value differently and applying a different solution to the same problem, basically if it feels "snappy" people tend to counter force faster and more out of sync, they walk away thinking they worked the pushier recoil better because mentally they we less "slapped" by it and could not jerk in preparation, in reality it's all the same energy and you can either tame it or get fucked by it.

>>33354193
thank you for the reply's, I appreciate it greatly. Your reasoning makes sense, and i think i shall start with some forearm strength training in the near future

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>>33354304
Literally thrilled to help anon

Now a WebM to send everyone in to a fury.

>>33349800
Good post

the saying "The best gun is the one you know how to shoot Well applies"
Good post

>>33349197
>fairy-tale man in the sky isn't real

This is /k/. Use your newly-aquired firearm knowledge to pierce through the facial fat and openly ventillate your brain to allow drainage of heretical thinking.

It's for the best.

>>33354131
Check out Hornady Critical Defense lite 100gr

>>33354461
>Preparing himself to be in a gunfight
>Just stands there frozen up

How to form training scars, the webm.

>>33355963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ob0fgc0I7A
>Jumping around is the key man!

>>33354131

>>33354193
me again.

Wanted to say you could also try carrying more gun. I don't mess with compacts or sub compacts anymore, I wanna train on the range with what I carry and long and short of it is small guns are less fun and take more focus to run as hard and as well.

>>33349834
Boy you sure showed them Zed, way to go.