Radiation and your health

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>>33344281
So to start with most measurements on modern instruments will be in millisieverts. Heres an general scale in MSV thats easy to understand.

>you are currently absorbing about 6.2 MSV per year, or about .71 per hour
>maximum annual dosage with no negative effects is 50
>average lifetime dose is 500 (at .71 msv per hour)
>you can survive a lifetime dose of 4000 MSV (at 5.7 MSV per hour)


A big thing about radiation to remember is that how quickly you absorb it is as important as how much you absorb it.

You can handle 4000 MSV in a lifetime, but if you absorb that much in an hour, or a day you will be in very serious trouble.

During nuclear exposure 100 MSV per hour for 10 hours will make you seriously ill but you will probably survive.

1000 MSV over 10 hours is considered the maximum survivable exposure while not risking major long term health effects.

So if the bombs drop or the plant blows its top know your dosimeter, know your doses, and talky your accumulation.

Such knowledge will be critical to medical personel and will enable you to use your dosimeter to find a place with an acceptable exposure level.

Below is a chart with hazardous doses and symptoms

1 to 2 Sv (1000 to 2000 mSv or 100 to 200 rems) = Minor Nausea, Minor Headache - 5% death in 1 month otherwise non-fatal (2-6hr onset for 24hr)

3 to 6 Sv (3000 to 6000 mSv or 300 to 600 rems) = Mod Vomiting, Mild Headache, Mod Fever, Cognitive Impairment 6hr - 5-50% death in 7-28 days (1-2hr onset for 48hr)

6 to 8 Sv (6000 to 8000 mSv or 600 to 800 rems) = Vomiting, Mod Headache, High Fever, Cognitive Impairment 20hr - 50-100% death in 7days (10-60min onset for <48hr)

8 to 30 Sv (8000+ mSv or 800+ rems) = Severe Vomiting, Severe Headache, Severe Fever, Incapacitated - 100% death rate (>10min onset for <48hr)

30+ Sv (30,000+ mSv or 3,000+ rems) = 100% death with immediate effect

>>33344427
Also final note for if you encounter equipment that measures rems instead of sieverts

1 seivert = 1000 millisieverts = 100 REM

>>33344444
Checked

Lurkin for knowledge.

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>>33344444
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>>33344444

There is a good HBO movie called PU-239. You should watch it.

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>>33344498
What he said

In an emergency when potassium iodide tablets are not available you can apply about 1/2 teaspoon of iodine antiseptic to the skin on your sturnum and stomach to achieve similar effects to radiation tablets.

DO NOT EVER DRINK IODINE ANTISEPTIC. YOU WILL DIE.

As a note radiation tablets do not get rid of radiation or make you stop absorbing it. They simply fill your thyroids up so that your body will not store it.

This will drastically reduce thyroid cancer risk in the long term at the expense of being terrible for you short term.

Iodide tablets will make you pretty sick, but it is worth it to make sure you dont end up surviving being irradiated only to die from thyroid cancer 18 months later.

Another tip for your survival cache. Keeps lots of multi vitamin supplements and antibiotics on hand.

After being irradiated you will get better, then get sick as fuck from bactieria taking advantage of your struggling immune system.

Following a nuclear event you will see a lot of people catching shit like pnemonia, conjuctivitis, assorted respratory infections, the flu etc etc. Ever had pnemonia? It sucks, even if it doesnt kill you in an environment now devoid of medical professionals it will take weeks or months to get over. This will leave you weak and unable to begin taking more strenuous survival measures.

Having antibiotics on hand and multivitamins to help kickstart your immune system could be the difference between you being to sick to fend off looters or healthy enough to handle things.

>>33344992
Why not add some probiotics to that?

If you use antibiotics to kill off a bad infection you may end up doing damage to your good bacteria that the bacteria can't repair without help.

Im trying to give the REAL nitty gritty health tips concerning radiation. Feedback and questions would be appreciated otherwise im just going to rant to myself.

Most "tips" about radiation are so basic as to be almost worthless to read.

Yeah, everyone knows about shelters and stockpiling food and ammo, but you guys have no idea how many preppers I've encountered who don't have a fuckin clue how their dosimeter works or how to calculate doses.

Nobody thinks about or preparez for the long term after effects like weaker immune systems and poorer nutrition.

A stockpile can only last so long, your body will be absorbing less nutrients anyways, and the shit you grow/hunt is not going to be all fortified like your food is now.

I again stress the importance of multivitamin stockpiling. As long as you can secure protein and carbs it will keep you a lot healthier than some scurvy ridden try-hard who thinks he can just live off of rabbits and berries.

>>33345079
Which brings me to my next point. Wildlife. If your survival plan involves a reliance on hunting prepare to be dissappointed if your area gets hit with any real fallout.

All that game is going to die off and take a long time to come back.

Not to mention that animals and wild food sources will be contaminated with strontium and cesium. But, its the apocalypse, you may be forced to ingest contaminated meat. You can limit exposure in a few ways.

First off milk is off limits for a decade or so. Milk contains the highest isotope concentrations.

Next, avoid fat as much as possible, as well as connective tissues and marrow.

Avoiding the meat that is directly against the bones is a good idea too. Obviously you will have to take risks and accept a lower quality of life that will probably be shorter and end in some kind of cancer around 40 or 50 years of age.

Nuclear war pretty much turns every mouthful into smoking a cigarette essentially turning eating into the equivalent of chain smoking.

This cannot be helped, but with the measures I just layed out you might avoid the worst of it and potentially add a couple years to your life.

>>33345122
Next on the list. Farming. That dirt is still gonna be mildly radioactive for a few years. Being a clean freak is your friend. Within 3 to 8 weeks after the big one things should cool off enough to wander around.

If you have a spot picked out for farming you will need to clear the top foot or so of topsoil from your plot as fast as possible.

Remember, radioactive matierial your body can handle externally is exponentially worse once it gets inside you. For the first couple of years treat dirt as if it were asbestos when handling it.

You need to clear this radioactive dirt for two reasons. Number one is because some plant species will transfer the cesium and strontium into themselves.

Next is because cesium destroys potassium in the soil and will make your plants both grow slower and be less nutritious on top of being radioactive.

Quite frankly the first few years growing will be rough thanks to nuclear induced climate change but every calorie will help, plus you will need to be tilling nutrients back into the soil anyways because no matter how hard you try you arent going to get all of the nasty stuff out.

>>33345156
If i remember correctly, direction of fallout is quite important.
After chernobyl, we weren't allowed to pick mushrooms where i live - to this day.
Climate and topography are essential to predict the nuclear fallout

>>33345122
>>33345156
Your dosimeter is you best friend through all of this.

They can typically measure pretty small levels as well as high ones. Upon venturing out take it with you and obsessivley keep track of your exposure levels.

If you are gonna eat something, drink something, or put anything inside you whatsoever run the dosimeter over it. (You really dont want a radioactive dragon dildo anywhere near your rectum)

Keep a written tally of exposures if possible. You can plan your activities to limit exposure and maintain better health.

Food measuring in millisieverts can be eaten but watch your dose. Remember, you can survive a lifetime dose of 4,000. Knowing your exposure helps you make those survival calls more educated.

Most dosimeters can be set to millirems or microsieverts.

1 sievert = 1,000 millisieverts = 100,000 microsieverts

1 rem = 100,000 millirems

So, if its reading in rems or millisieverts you need to know your exposure to be able to make that judgement call. If its reading in microsieverts or millirems it still needs to be tallied but is much much safer and not typically a survival decision to eat or not eat it.

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>tfw too poor to prep for NBC threats

>>33344281
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>>33344427
>>33344444

Today, op was not a faggot.

>>33345234
This is a good point. Its kinda like snow in a way. Its going to fall more heavily in different areas, and will tend to get blown into higher concentrations in different areas similar to how snow drifts up.

But unlike snow its impossible to visually tell how concentrated things are. This is where you use a dosimeter to determine hot-spots.

Also you bring up another good point, different species will absorb difgerent amounts of radiation. A dosimeter set to micro sieverts (1/100,000th of a millisievert) can let you poke around to get a working idea of what species are the most harmful to eat.

If its a power plant situation you can rely on there being accurate up to date info on where the contamination will fall. (Unless youre in a soviet satellite state, in which case you will be allowed to absorb 300 MSV a year for a decade before anyone tells you your farm is hot).

Nuclear war you really wont have any firm way of knowing how bad you got hit aside from posessing a dosimeter and knowing how to use it and what it's data means to your health.

>>33345255
I got tired of reading article after article of the same over simple "fill yer basement up with mountain house and AR-15's" bullshit.

Did some hard research and figured I'd share the real shit nobody else discusses broken down into a format that is easy to understand.

Because once you get past the useless fluff and cliches to try to know the stuff thats actually important its SOOOOOOOOO dry.

>>33344281
Anyone know the name of that gas mask?

Also you will hear people refer to radiation exposure as rads.

This is dumb. Rads are an outdated method of calculating exposure that has been abandoned because its complex to calculate and doesnt really translate over from other units of measurement. Its the equivalent to referring to your body weight in bushels, or your height in cubits.

Sieverts and rems broken down into a metric style table are standard, and convert back and forth fairly easily and require very simple math to calculate and measure exposures.

Roetgens, greys, rads (again, rads are almost totally out of use) and curies are only really used by scientists or doctors. You dont need to know them. As long as you can grasp sieverts and rems you are good.

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>>33345273
Well thanks for the info, Op

What about Overgarments or rubber Ponchos/ NBC-protection? Are they of any use in the long run?
Is it helpful to run around like a stalker, lets say, one year after nuclear shtf?

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>>33344281

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As someone who doesn't have guns or any prepping stuff this is really nice to read.

Thanks

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>>33345340
They are useful inasmuch that they keep you from breathing in particles and may slightly limit your exposure rate.

Frankly, fallout will become weak enough in short enough order that you done need the suit. The period in between radiation being too heavy to protect from and too weak to matter is so short its not really necessary.

As for masks, fallout isnt a poison, its radioactive dust. Even pic related is enough to protect against fallout. Its not a gas, its a dust. Any particulate mask that prevents dust inhalation will do.

The NBC suits were more for chemical protection than radiation. All you can do with radiation is put some concrete and dirt between you and it, and try not to breathe the dust or eat the dirt.

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Here's a basic law that most people don't know:
The Inverse Square law.

If you double the distance between you and the source of radiation, you reduce your exposure four-fold, and vice versa - if you halve the distance, you increase exposure four-fold.
This is also part of why radioactive particles getting inside you is such a big deal.

>>33344370
>you are currently absorbing about 6.2 MSV per year, or about .71 per hour
For all sources of radiation, yes.
.71 mSv/hr would be an unusually high background number to pick up on Geiger or dosimeter - not necessarily dangerous, but I'd probably want to know why it was so high, unless I was living in Ukraine or an old granite quarry or some shit.

Natural background radiation in most parts of the world should be below .5 mSv/hr, and more likely be around ~.15mSv/hr. It's probably wise to be familiar with what's normal for your home, so you'll notice early on that its gone up.

>>33345367
I was kind of sceptic when they said we're good in a radioactive environment wearing that suit, without a Geiger counter to back anything up.

Also, video games like stalker are a little bit misleading in that regard as well.

Thanks again

>>33345409
>those tabs
Kek

>>33344444
Witnessed
Good info, thanks.

>>33345409
You bring up another good point, .71 is an global average excluding areas like chernobyl or fukishima. Theres lower and higher places.

Mostly depending on altitude. Towards sea level it drops off to around average of .2, in places like the himlayas it can be as high as .98, which is why skin cancer and cataracts are common illnesses at statistically lower age groups there.

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>>33345340
Not OP, but if you're really worried about nuclear apocalypse salting the earth and wanting to survive all adversity -- yes, it'll be good for when you inevitably run out of Dinty Moore in your rape dungeon/fallout shelter and have to go up into the barren wasteland that is your backyard. Avoiding direct contact with contaminated surfaces, soil, water, etc is important, and avoiding tracking it into your relatively clean rape dungeon even moreso.

I'd probably suggest disposable tyvek suits first, though. Between those, rubber boots and heavy rubber gloves, duct tape, and your respirator mask, you're at OSHA level C.
In other words, unless you're handling weaponized smallpox aids or bathing in phosgene, you're probably fine.
You won't have the benefit of decon showers, but... well, you're going to die of cancer anyway, so suck it up.

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>>33345409

Yours looks like a newer model.

Radiation can fuck you up.

My mom had cancer so advanced she was given the maximum allowed dose.

It DESTROYED her cellular functions. It was ten years ago and she still has diarrhea from damage to her intestines. It fucked all the bones in the area, they are atrophied as someone twice her age.

And in the field, its a small dose as far as nuclear accidents go.

Radiation is like an invisible laser beam. Nuclear shaped charges were on the table for blowing up space MIGs and they would have vaporized shit. Just from radiation.

>>33345424
Yeah, if its radioactive enough to be harmful even lead lined clothes only buy you minutes of exposure.

For reference all the firefighters who responded to the initial blast at chernobyl were exposed to 6000 msv per hour. They recieved a lethal exposure within 10 minutes. For reference when everyone lost their shit over fukishima it peaked at 400.

There is a documentary where just last year they went to the hospital at pripyat those guys were initially deconned in.

Hospital itself was like 14, way higher than normal but not immiediatley dangerous. As they got close to the basement where the NBC suits those guys were wearing got discarded the dosimeter climbed to 150 msv.

The room the clothes were in was 300.

A pair of boots read 500 MSV per hour.
Wearing those boots for 2 hours would kill you.

So yeah, suiting up in MOPP gear doesnt really help much.

>>33345478
RD1503+
It's fine enough for what it is. It stays on 24/7/365, two rechargeable AAAs last about two weeks.

Kind of wish I'd gotten one that can run off of usb power, but the RADEX One is inaccurate shit and I don't trust Soeks so much.

>>33345484
The radiation on the roof of chernobyl was so high that it fried the computers inside the robots they were trying to clean with.

Naturally the brought in a bunch of military reservists, roughly sewed some lead plates to their mopp suits, and dubbed them bio-robots.

They had the guys literally tossing hot beryllium and graphite rods off the roof into the crater so the sarcoughagus could be lowered into place.

Guys have been dropping like flies ever since.

>>33345490
>So yeah, suiting up in MOPP gear doesnt really help much.
The idea is more to avoid tracking contamination into clean space than anything else. Either your overalls can be contaminated and left outside your rape dungeon, or your everything is contaminated, and now so is your shelter, and your penis maybe falls off before you have a chance to fully enjoy your nuclear Mad Max wasteland as Lord Humungus.

No amount of PPE will save you if you're juggling moderator blocks and playing lightsaber with fuel rods, that's a given.

>>33345513
Yeah, this is true. The misnomer is that they block radiation. The reality is they just keep the fallout from getting trapped against your skin and in your hair.

Thats another thing, wash up after handling that stuff. If it sits against your skin radiating for a long ass time a tiny dose output per hour adds up over time.

>>33345513
Speaking of fuel rods
>be 1950s
>military gets great idea
>"we'll just power forward operating bases in the arctic with mini nuclear reactors"
>of course it will be totally manually controlled with no automatic saftey systems
>not having automated saftey shutdowns makes it simple to operate, that way lower enlisted guys can operate and maintain it!
>at no point does anyone see a problem with entrust a nuclear reactor to a team of 4 all ranked below sergeant
>E4 fuckface is working on top of the reactor at the testing facility
>he fucks up
>a steam explosion fires a live fuel rod through the containment vessel
>through E4 fuckfaces gooch
>it carries him upwards
>and impales itself in the concrete sarcoughagus cieling
>the guy was impaled to the cieling through the gooch by a live fuel rod
>it took a week to scrape him down
>suddenly everyone is trying to figure out whose utterly horrible idea it was

The rest of the team died too. They think its because E4 fuckface found out one of the other team members was fucking his wife and decided to take the whole crew out.

>>33345291

How about mountain dew (Code red) and hot pockets? I can surely survive with that, right?

Alright, lets talk Nuclear War. In case your city gets a direct hit, where would you be safest at the time of detonation?
Most people will probably be holding up in buildings, so will it make a difference if that building is
a) a north american suburb wooden-framework
b) a typical european brickwall
c) a soviet concrete multi apartement block
(just to name some extremes)
radiation-wise, that is.

In Barefoot Gen, (Sorry to bring up chink cartoon) for example, the guy was behind a wall at the time of detonation, and that saved his life.
Will a framework-building provise the same cover, or am i mixing up heatwave/light and radiation?

>>33345580
You'll be just fine.
watch out for looters, though

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>>33345582
Deep inside the center of a concrete building on the lower floors or in the basement.

Anything opaque, even window blinds, will gave you a good amount of protection from the flash. The real danger is the overpressure fucking you up, followed by shit collapsing on you.

>>33345582
It all really depends on distance from the blast.

As far as radiation from fallout is concerned you need
4 inches of lead
10 inches of steel
24 inches of concrete
36 inches packed dirt
110 inches of wood

You also need time, for every incriment of time measured by 7's fallout's radioactivity decreases by an order of magnitude. So 7 days later it will be 7 times less radioactive than at detonation, 7 days later it will be 7 times lower than at the end of the first period.

Its a matter of waiting for it to decrease to safer levels. Dependant on the type of bomb, what kind of detonation, and how heavily the dust fell in your area it can take as little as 7 days to be safe up to 8 weeks.

Or it could be a cobalt salted "dirty bomb" and literally never be safe again for a millinia. But supposedly everyone agreed to never build those since only a few dozen would render whole continents impossible to survive in.

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>>33344444
Very nice get OP.

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>>33344444
Thanks for this thread op.
Lurkin for learnin.

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>>33344281
OP doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about, read Physics for Future Presidents by Richard Muller if you want a good break down on the effects of radiation on the body and what the risks actually are.

>>33345618
Ayy, that was informative.
I guess there would be no point in wanting to survive if cobalt bombs were used.

How can I easily convert Becquerels to Sieverts?

Can anyone recommend good geiger counters to have on hand?

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>>33344370
>>33345409

All of those look like cool little gadgets, but are they any good (accurate/reliable/etc)? If you own a geiger counter, do you calibrate it at all or are modern civilian geiger counters pretty much good to go since they won't be seeing much exposure?

>>33346898
You need to find out the energy per decay for the relevant isotope

>>33344281
OP dont go posting medical advice when you have no fucking idea what you are doing.

>>33347897
Thanks for the constructive input nigger, don't feel obliged to point out his mistakes

>>33347897
Its not medican advice, read it. Its how to use a dosimeter to stay healthy.

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>>33344444
God bless OP, I want in on the screen cap guys.

>>33347614
They're usually rated +/-15% if they're based on SBM-20 tubes.

They're not lab grade, and I'd probably want to invest a bit more into it if I was working somewhere where it -really- mattered, but they are generally accurate and reliable enough as long as you're aware of their limitations.
Most cap out at 9.99µSv. Flying transatlantic, you can probably expect ~5µSv/hr. Does this mean they're useless? No, because if you read much higher than .5µSv, you should probably wonder why - is the neighbor's kid building a thorium reactor out of lantern mantles? did the neighbor undergo nuclear medicine? is the local power authority playing dumb about some goings-on at the nuke plant down the street? Is this cool green glass baby bottle safe? Did the nuclear meltdown 100km away in Fukushima contaminate my kid's playground? etc

If your house goes up to 10µSv/hr you should probably be worried, but it's not immediately dangerous. If you're worried about a SHTF Fallout apocalypse, you'd want to supplement it with a survey meter which can read values anywhere between "You're going to get cancer next week" and "By the time you read this, your eyeballs will have melted out" because any real nuclear craptastrophe will peg your cheapie geiger anyway.

>>33345568
wow

thats metal as fuck

>>33345509
Is the roof still fucked to go on?

>>33345073
1. They don't work really all that well even in the best of times and the overwhelming majority of OTC ones are placebo
2. If your gut is already compromised from downing Z-packs and you fuck up the dosage of your probiotics or they weren't stored right you can make yourself sicker with probiotics because your gut has a *balance* of bacteria normally and you just totally fucked it.
3. Having the shits for a week while your gut sorts itself is rarely dangerous and never debilitating unless you're heavily restricted on water supply and dehydration is a major threat. Meanwhile being hallucinating from your 105*F fever with full-body weakness and cramps from the superflu is directly life-threatening in its own and obviously you're pretty much completely debilitated.

>>33345249
I like the way the military switched to breaking it down
>C
Chemical. Fairly cheap and easy to prep for, a $10 Tyvek painter's suit and either a $50 full-face respirator and current NATO filters or an actual gas mask with current NATO filters, plus rubber gloves and duct tape and OCD. Attacks will be obvious, and they will be very localized, so you are very likely to either be able to avoid completely or GTFO early. Also most likely to occur where you don't have access to your PPE unless you're a 1980's Kurd or in Syria, since they'll be terrorist attacks on enclosed places like subways, airports, walmarts, etc. to maximize the effects.
>B
Biological. The cheapest to prep for simply because all it really requires is good soap, disposable hospital face masks, and OCD about being clean. The really nasty shit you're pretty well fucked anyway because it's asymptomatic for long enough you'll be contaminated/infected before you know you're attacked/exposed, the less-nasty shit is usually survivable even with no prepwork and basic 19th-century or better personal hygiene, and the radius of an outbreak or attack is both predictable and avoidable.
>R
Radiological. The lasting effects of nuclear contamination, whether they be from Chernobyl/Fukushima/ or a dirty bomb or whatever, this is the expensive one to prep for.
>N
(thermo)Nuclear. Relates to the actual destructive blast. This is the bunker shit, and is both the most straightforward to prep for (don't live at a place extremely likely to get nuked, have a very durable and preferably underground shelter) and the most expensive (move and/or build a potentially-tens-of-thousands shelter).

>>33345424
Ok. The MOPP suit or really any protective garment in itself will not help against ambient radiation.

It helps a SHITLOAD at keeping the radioactive dust (composed of radioactive particles) off your skin and out of your hair, when you treat the garment as contaminated and either PROPERLY decon it or do like you're supposed to and just chuck it. But then again so would any other outer garment such as a Tyvek suit or even a plastic poncho or trash bag.

The actual MOPP suit is a threefold protective garment. It's highly water resistant and lined with activated charcoal, which helps with things like blister agents (chemical) and contaminated water/blood (biological), it's fire retardant (nuclear/conventional-muntions), and it's a full-coverage garment that leaves literally no skin exposed when worn with the mask (everything). It doesn't particularly EXCEL at any one role, but it's small+light+cheap.

IIRC, and this is going back a lot of years, regardless of which category you were exposed to the MOPP suit is supposed to be discarded after 24 hours' worth of use. There's a reason they come sealed in mylar and heavy-mil plastic bags.

>>33345306
MSA Millennium I think.

I get rather ticked off at these threads and various other errata for several reasons but mostly

There are many different type of radiation .

Going over theoretical and practical differences of various isotopes .

so glossing over cosmic rays and EMF , it's alpha , beta , gamma , and NEUTRON radiation

Nobody ever brings up the fucking neutron flux that occurs during the chain reaction and how deadly it is if in proximity . There no dosimeter just a single pulse of lethal radiation that could render you a walking dead man in a instant .

If you had warning that the big one was going to hit then you might have time to shelter.

I did enjoy that tip about the transdermal iodine.

>>33352148
Obviously this advice is assuming you SURVIVED the initial blast. There aren't any practical tips for surviving a nuetron pulse recieved at ground zero of the blast because you just simply wont.

Thing is, nuetrons pulses dont actually go very far, if you are close enough to expierience one heat and blastwave are going to kill you anyways.

What's a good list of models for geiger/dosimeter counters?

Are there models that incorporate both of them?

This entire thread should be turned into a uniform infographic for the sticky. Thanks for all the useful information, Breeki_bro. You should get a tripcode.

>>33353873
Agreed. Lots of stuff I didn't know about geiger counters in here. Thank you kindly for the information.

>>33353817
bump for info

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>>33353817
TerraP and radex both make decent digital units that can incorporate both functions as well as be set to detect in different units of measurement. They typically run from $150 to $200.

You can get more accurate but as you start getting into lab and military grade high accuracy equipment it can start costing 600 to 2000 bucks.

Honestly just buying a model like the SOEK gen 2 in the $250 range will do. They are +/- 2% accuracy rating and dont break the bank, plus they are USB rechargeable.
I think they might even make little mini wearable rechargable dosimeter tags that are about the size of a USB flash drive with a USB readout that can accompany them.

>>33354404
Just a tip when buying radiation testing equipment, make sure to verify the readout is in english.

My dad thought he would get a military surplus geiger counter and ended up buying one from some baltic nation. Everything is labled in russian and theres no info on how accurate it actually is available.

Another tip for counter use, dont physically touch your equipment up against contaminated matierial.

Measure it from a few inches away. If you get radioactive contamination on or worse, inside your geiger counter its always going to be going off and will make accurate readings impossible.

In other words, a contaminated detector is useless. Keep the thing clean and dont physically touch stuff with it. In fact, in a nuclear fallout scenario I would reccomend keeping it inside a ziplock baggie so that airborn fallout particulates dont get caught inside creases and crevasses in the devices casing.

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There is also a company called greentest that makes a specialized food probe that can test for radiation or nitrates.

Not sure how good it is since its kinda new, but it seems useful. Runs about $126.

Again, its a specific food tester, not a full blown environmental detector.

Honestly you could probably just use a regular tester on food by cutting the food up and holding your detector up to it, but its still a pretty neat gadget to have in the bunker I think.

Kinda looks like an apocalyptic I-phone to me.

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>>33345568
Damn.

>>33351459
This, but it has the tinted insert for it, which is like $25. You can get the mask for $75 on eBay.

>>33344992
>Be in Canada
>Hi Doc, I need a prescription for antibiotics
>wtf for?
>um.. reasons..
>i'll need more than that, hoser. my CMA licence rides on this

Would like to know how people obtain some. Also, shelf life is pretty crappy from what I understand.

Is there a geiger counter that measures all 3 types of radiation?

>>33354685
I get amoxacillin by having my grandparents pick it up in mexico when they snowbird to arizona every year.

"Expired" antibiotics are safe, they just begin slowly losing full potency after the date. Rates of effectiveness dropoff vary between medications but when the US military did a potency test for stockpiles of antibiotics that had expired. Their findings discovered that 88% of the capsules were still at effective potency levels.

Antibiotics confirmed in this test to last for atleast 5 years past expiry dates were
Amoxacillin and ciprofloxacin.

The expiry dates for 6 to 12 months are for pharmacy and physician standards defined as how long the medication will be 100% garunteed to give 100% the labled dose.

Military stockpile regulations are much looser defining shelf life as how long it can be stored and give an effective dose. Maybe not whats on the label, but if its the end of the world or a national emergency getting an 80% effective dose from "expired" antibiotics is sufficient enough that the military deemed the two adequate for such purposes.

>>33354685
Look up fish antibiotics, a lot are just aquatically named amoxicillin. Prices are generally a lot lower than human meds.

>>33354714
Alpha, beta, and gamma are all measured at once.

You can get into really expensive equipment that measures UV, IR, nuetron, X-ray and so on, but radiation meters will stick to alpha/beta/gamma. For practical purposes one does not need to differentiate between the three.

Such equipment is more for lab environments and is much much more sensitive than required for personal use, and typically isnt built to be portable.

>>33354852
Also this. You can get a hundred 500mg amoxicillin capsules for fish for like 40 bucks.

>>33345509

My grandpas dad died at a pretty old age even though he marched through Nagasaki IIRC a few days/weeks after the bomb fell.

The story doesn't hold up but on that side of the family there was a big argument about a katana he had after he died because it was in good condition and actually SURRENDERED to him by a Japanese soldier/officer.

Dude, the older generations saw some shit, and some had miraculous shit happen. On my side of the family my grandfathers father had a Japanese POW talk about his personal life. When he talked to me he said the home he had now was ten times the size of the home a made man in Japan had back then. He said the Japanese that surrendered or were caught were amazed that they were treated so well, and their gratitude was obvious.

They were literally indoctrinated to believe that if we caught them alive or if they surrendered we would torture them until death.

I imagine mainlander Japanese were told wives would be raped until death, men would be enslave or executed, and children would be made servants and sex slaves.

Look at Asian Massage Parlors... You don't see French or German or ANY nationalist massage parlor in America that's associated with sex besides Asian ones.

Gotta piece together things. Lies are too powerful. Seriously connect some dots and pity people. Indoctrination is powerful.

>>33345568

Those days people had ballsy ideas and actually would build and work in what we see as nightmares.

War changes people. To this day the vanguard of America's military is cold war designs and technology. We became that stale or they designed the best to begin with.

Look at the Barbel class SSN. TO THIS DAY its the basis of all diesel-electric SSNs even though its over 60 years old. The Los Angeles class is the muscle of the modern submarine force.

America operates relics but decommissioned big bore gunships? Makes no sense.

>>33345409
The whole quartering and quadrupling the intensity of the radiation thing only works if the distance is exactly halved or doubled. The Inverse Square Law is I1/I2 = D2^2/D1^2. Intensity 1 over intensity 2 is equal to distance 2 squared over distance 3 squared. With that you can calculate any distance or change in radiation intensity.

>>33356713
*distance 2 squared over distance 1 squared. Sorry, it's early

Also, this anon
>>33352148
is right, there are different tissue weighting factors with different types of radiation that you have to consider when calculating the effective dose. Alpha particles have a weighting factor of 20, and x-rays, gamma rays, and beta particles are 1. I don't remember the others, but they're in my Radiation Protection textbook.

>>33354852

I got lungworm from an inland state Sushi restaurant.

Self diagnosed. Treated with $20 livestock anthelmintics I bought off Amazon.

Poor people life advice for Americans. Take medicine vets use. Shit, you can raise a newborn on pet milk instead of formula.

Nothing like being told its time to make America great again by a billionaire capitalist when you've worked for millionaire capitalists your entire life and had to live off ramen and take medicine meant for animals.


Hopefully why I've learned can help people worse off than me because I've seen them. I regularly get told by blacks to feel fortunate I'm white.


Why hasn't god blessed America yet

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>>33344992
>>33354685
>>33354831
>>33354852
>>33354958
>Durrr I'll just self-administer amoxicillin
Don't fucking do this. Amoxicillin barely works as it is due to over-prescription and we don't need you dipshits creating more fucking antibiotic-resistant superbugs because you don't realize you aren't fucking doctors.
>Use incorrect type of antibiotics
>don't kill infection, simply boost its resistance to amoxicillin

>Don't take antibiotics for the correct length of time, either over- or undershoot it
Because again you're not a fucking doctor
>lol cool any bacteria in my system has got a fun boost against that antibiotic in the future
They whole "stock up on antibiotics in uncertain doses to take for an uncertain length of time that might or might not actually have an effect on the infection in question anyway" thing does nothing but contribute to what's already a pretty serious medical crisis.

For a thread that seems pretty good about clarification on a subject that gets a lot of disinfo thrown around, this is stupid, dangerous advice that sits right in the bottom of Dunning-Kruger Valley.
Knock that shit off

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>tfw amoxicillin allergy

>>33356829
So you're saying OP's advice should be disregarded?

>>33345568
SL 1 right?
they had to use a stretcher on a crane to scrape him off the celing. at one point people were allowed in for only 30s

>>33357983
The radiation info seems good, in line with what I've read on the subject.
Stocking up on and self-administering antibiotics is a really fucking stupid thing to do unless you're very well read on what antibiotics to use for what type of infections.

For a long time, amoxicillin has been the antibiotic doctors will give you to shut you up when you go in an insist on a prescription. Outside of very weak infections it's completely useless and it's often prescribed in conjunction with other stronger antibiotics if you have a serious infection.
Ask your doctor what they think of you taking extremely weak doses of amoxicillin intended for fish as a substitute for a properly dosed course of antibiotics.
They'll be horrified.

And for real, read up on antibiotic-resistant superbugs and where they come from before you decide this behavior is harmless.

>>33345568
Cool story, but more likely the real reason for the vapor explosion was that Private First Class Shithead had tried to manually free a stuck central control rod and withdrew it 26 inches instead of 4, the required distance to hook it into its drive system.
The fucking reactor overshot it's safe energy distance of 3MW and peaked at, oh I don't know, TWENTY GIGAWATTS and everyone thought it'd be perfectly fine because herp derp if the temperature rises too much the water will just boil and vent the excess heat!
That's also why the explosion happened as it did - the cooling water table had a big void of airspace on top instead of being completely filled with incompressible water.

>>33356824
>self diagnosed.

explain please. What were your symptoms and med dosage guidelines? How were you sure of your affliction?

>>33356829
You might wanna think of the context I am proposing you do this in.

Im NOT saying "oh yeah, got a sniffle? Just head on down to petsmart and buy some tetra-fin fish mox!"

Im saying having a stockpile to use in case of national disaster when there are no doctors. And actually, some doctors will write you up for a good amount if you tell them you wish to use it for such purposes.

You are totally correct, under normal circumstances one should never self diagnose and self medicate. Doctors go to med school for a decade for a reason.

But if the doctors are all dead and you just got over a bout of radiation sickness and now are suffering from a very serious illness, then maybe having atleast SOMETHING would be a good idea.

The context is important, in ordinary life self diagnosing and medicating is crazy, dont fuckin do it.

Post-nuclear war it will be the primary care method and refusing care due to there being no actual doctors present will be seen to be just as crazy as self treating was prior to the disaster.

>>33359105
>But if the doctors are all dead

Why? Are they specifically targeted by nukes? I suspect that medical personnel will die in the same percentages as everybody else. The remaining medical people will have a greater workload than normal, but it won't be unmanageable.

>>33360596
You have a lot more optimism than I do, but I already live in an are where the nearest doctor is going to be 30 miles away assuming he survived.

And, look at it this way, lets say you do find some bedraggled doctor busting his ass. He's gonna be low on pretty much everything if not just having outright expended his stocks.

Being able to give him a bottle of amoxicillin will be a godsend. Being the guy who gave the doctor the pills he used to save lives will put you higher on the "people we'd like to keep around" list when a community begins forming.

In my case, doctors are already difficult to find, im pretty positive they would be nonexistent in my area after the bomb drops. Having something to use as a last resort if the condition gets desperate makes sense to me.

>>33345463
>You won't have the benefit of decon showers, but... well, you're going to die of cancer anyway, so suck it up.

Showers aren't hard to rig with some visqueen, kiddie pools, duct tape, and a Hudson sprayer.

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>>33359105
doctors dont automatically know more than you..

wrongly medicating yourself is a problem for stupid people that dont know how to research online

trusting doctors too much and not advocating for your own medical care is just as big of a problem

on the subject of antibiotics.. i have had DOZENS of doctors try to give me the WRONG antibiotics and i have to sit there googling shit for them and arguing with them about this and that just so i get the right medicine

also i have had a surgeon tell me she was going to take my spleen out when i didnt need to and found a different treatment offered at the same fucking hospital just by fucking using google

also had a doctor send me home and say that my broken ankle would heal itself.. well second opinion and turned out that if i didnt get surgery i would have been a gimp the rest of my life

also had surgeons try to sell me surgerys like a fucking used car..gastric hernia surgery for acid reflux disease when just taking prilosec was good enough and my friend was dumb enough to trust doctors and got that same surgery and no he barfs all the time randomly and CANNOT FUCKING BURP

also had a doctor tell me to get knee surgery when i didnt need it

also had a case of stomach flu for weeks when i was a child and the fucking doctors didnt run the right tests and it turned out i had fucking parasites

and dont get me started on psychoactive drugs! there is no reason that as an adult i cannot choose what to put in my body.. and also doctors are well known to prescribe kids pills like adderall when they are fucking children.. how many people have gotten hooked on pills because a doctor insisted "take x medication everyday exactly how it says on the bottle"

people who accept authority too much are fucking retarded

i have a bunch of doctors in my family and they are mostly FUCKING BRAINWASHED by the books they read which are WRITTEN BY THE PHARMA INDUSTRY

tl;dr if you do your research you can be as smart as doctors

>>33361602
How many fucking medical conditions do you HAVE?

The closest to seeing a doctor be an idiot was when I had all 4 wisom teeth pulled in bootcamp by some military saw-bones who didnt use novicaine and gave me ibuprofen stating it was just as good.

It is not just as good.

>>33361602
>tl;dr if you do your research you can be as smart as doctors
Not him but pretty much this.
Iv had a few shit doctors recommend surgery for minor stuff. Some just want to make money. Some are good.

A+ thread

>>33361602
>BIG PHARMA!

Opinions disregarded.

>>33361827
Im of the opinion one should typically listen to them and if it seems fishy get a second opinion.

But I also posit that americans place a lot more reliance on them than is warranted. I mean people used to survive bullet wounds by mreley having it lopped off with a hack-saw, and you read about the crazy shit the settlers did to stay alive.

>syphillis? Well obviously ya oughtta start swallowing mercury
>bit by rabies infected animal? Just give the wound site a good deep tissue 3rd degree burn and walk it off.

Personal favorite frontier medicine story:
>guy has trapping partner
>into the trip up into indian territory it becomes apparent the guy is a terminal alcoholic and morphine addict.
>overdoses
>partner throws his stash and the keg of whickey in the river
>guy comes out of overdose and goes directly into alcohol/opiate withdrawal
>looks like hes gonna die
>partner combines tobbacco, gunpowder, soot, pepper, paprika, and bear grease
>melts it
>pours it down junkies throat with a funnel
>does this for 4 days until junkie wakes up and shits himself
>viciously beats him as soon as he stands up to teach him a lesson about the devils rum and demon opium
>force feeds him the rest of the bear grease/gunpowder/spice cabinet slurry
>guy never drinks or uses again

People are a lot tougher than saftey labels and worried professionals would have you think. With common sense and a bit of education one can get a lot farther than all the malpractice lawyers would have you believe.

Afterall we did it for 100,000 years prior to modern medicine. Im not saying a webmd lookup makes you as good as a doctor, but people seem to think if you accidentally take an aspirin too many or swallow a pill 3 days past its expiration date you will just shit out a torrent of blood and die.

Ive been to enough 3rd world countries to see the crazy shit people do to treat diseases and think having a bottle of amoxicillin aint all that horrifying a prospect.

>>33351327
>prepping for chemical attacks
That's more similar to nuclear in that you're better off getting the fuck away to a place less likely to be bombed.
Chemical warfare means people dying in a few minutes just from breathing a not immediately noticeable chemical.
Your gas mask will only save you if you happen to have it within arm's reach - which you most likely will not.

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>>33361974
the medical industry is a racket

think how much money would be saved if you could just get medications yourself without paying some dude 200 dollars and blowing smoke up his ass for 35 minutes

there is no reason another grown man should be able to control what i put into my own body and the market around that

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ---ben franklin

if someone overdoses on heart pills then fuck him darwinism.. i shouldnt be punished and my choices limited because other people are retards

i have mixed feelings about vaccines and antibiotics but that is only because they are the only chemicals where if you take them the consequences might affect me.. but i think if you prove that you are not a retard and can use a search engine you should be able to get antibiotics yourself or vaccines... AND EVERYBODY has a right to prep and you should be able to have some kind of lock box with a stash of antibiotics incase SHTF

>>33361876
youre a fucking retard and here is just ONE example where pharma is fucking up our medical care.. THANKS TO PHARMA LOBBYIST we dont have SAFER and MORE EFFECTIVE vasectomies.. because that would cut into their birth control profits with women! Thanks to big pharma women are usually the ones that take birth control and men have no other options than emasculation and vasectomies that can have side effects OR FUCKING A PLASTIC FUCKING BAG KNOWN AS A CONDOM.. and consequently white people are going extinct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance

that is a polymer based injection that can be reversed as well and it still lets sperm pass through the vas defrens so you do not get build up or swelling like in a traditional vasectomy... they have a subpar system that is going though clinical trials in the states but PHARMA lobbyists are trying to kill it every chance they get

stop being such a fucking cuck

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>>33362128
Not to mention that aside from gasmasks only being useful if you know an attack is coming and have it with you at all times, most modern chemical weapons kill on skin contact.

Just having a gas mask wont cut it when a droplet the size of a grain of sand is a lethal dose.

Especially since most nerve agents cause siezures so even if you only get a partial dose you can look forward to flopping about like a fish unable to don protective gear as more and more of it sprinkles down.

Then theres new blood agents which actually bypass gasmask filters. Or atleast thats what we were told at CBRN training.

Optimal casualty ratings for a chemical attack on our forces with prior warning were rated at 50%. That was assuming we actually posessed detection equipment, which we didnt.

>>33345156
AKA: Filtered air GREENHOUSE is your best friend.

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>>33362330
Maybe, but typical farm yields without aid of industrialized farming hover around 1 acre per person per year.


That is a sliding measurement however, climate, skill (or lack thereof) at farming, soil quality, pest levels etc etc will all determine crop yield.

1 acre per person is more of a minimum really. A greenhouse could be used to kickstart seedlings prior to the real growing season to increase yields, but unless you got pic related you probably aint going to be sustaining yourself off of what you can grow inside it.

>>33361974
>Im of the opinion one should typically listen to them and if it seems fishy get a second opinion.
If I did this I would have hair plugs (my hair is fine), an unnecessary scrotum surgery (because of a UTI), and a leg surgery to fix non-existent varicose vanes (because of a pulled muscle).

Im in a really scumbag part of the US, but really $40 for a second opinion is always better then just believing the guy and letting him cut you open. At the very worst, you only lost $40 or whatever your copay is.

>>33362895
actually nevermind. I think we have the same opinion, you just live someplace that has more trustworthy people. Where I am everyone is fishy by default.

>>33362924
Yeah. To be honest I live in the mountains of montana.

My hardy lifestyle and mostly natural diet has me pretty healthy. Been 10 years since I saw a doctor for anything other than your average check-up.

Our local doctor is an old korean guy who served in nam to earn his US citizenship and knows his shit pretty well. Also understands we are blue collar in this area and does a lot of pro-bono work, doesnt prescribe frivolous MRI's and exploratory surgeries, and will oftentimes just look at somebody and flat out tell them they dont need shit except bedrest or a lifestyle change (in a pissed off old korean man accent that is hilarious to hear.)

Second opinions are great if you think your doc is getting sly.

Also as stated from the get-go. My advice is NOT to try to treat things yourself in every-day life. You shouldnt order heavy meds on the internet from mexico for personal everyday use.

But SURVIVAL medicine and everyday medicine are not the same. If there are no doctors and you get sick you gotta do what you gotta do to stay alive, in which case self proscribed anti-biotics might be a much more sensible risk than just laying down and waiting to die or get better.

Obviously one ought to ensure they are not allergic to what they stockpile, and do research to make sure they understand the properties and doses of what they have, as well as what it can treat and how to identify such illnesses.

I told doctor park (korean guy) my strategy and he nodded and gave me a few of his old medical books pertaining to diseases and how to identify them.

Point is, its all about situation, networking, training, and education.

People act like i just encourage people to eat antibiotics like candy. No. Definiteley not. But having some on hand in case some real shit goes down and knowing how and when to use them is prudent.

>>33362128
Thing is, unless you live in the MIddle East or South Korea the only chemical attacks you have to worry about will be in places most people HAVE to go to, and will be very localized and not city/state wide. Things like sarin inna subway or chlorine in the stairwell of a hotel as the fire alarm's being pulled.

Yeah, there's really no way to protect yourself from that other than literally never ever ever leaving your basement.

Also, there's like 5 countries on the planet that possess the ability to use nerve agents and the really nasty biologicals in any quantity and they're all major powers that couldn't without basically committing economic suicide. You're far more likely to face a blister agent like mustard gas, or even just a common irritant.