Sickles

Because short-barrel scythes were illegal.

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>>33333788
There are treatises that depict sickle fighting, idk what ones, I'm not really a HEMA fag (yet).

But this guy is and he mentioned it here from 3:17 on ward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er7h6bPn_7c&t=648s

Sickles are good tools though, i use one quite a bit in the summers, they are amazing at clearing light brush, the kind of stuff that's too light for machetes, but to much for something like a weed wacker.

I also have a hand scythes and a full size scythe, I don't see much use in the hand scythe, but I don't know how to properly use it.

This is the only pic I have with my hand scythe in it, it's in the bottom left corner.... I should just take a pic of it... but can't be bothered.

>>33333788

They're heavy for their length, difficult to cut an opponent with, have generally poor leverage, and you can only stab with them from short range and limited angles. Not to mention that weapons that size were most often sidearms, and carrying a sickle at your belt would be a hassle and a half.

Basically they'd be a better weapon 99% of the time if you just straightened the blade some.

>>33333788
Long pokey things > short pokey things.

Because its really, really, really hard to make a sharpened piece of metal hold that shape, hold that edge, not shatter when struck, and still be an immense bitch to sharpen.

For the same amount of metal, would you rather have a sickle with maybe 2 feet of reach thats dull as fuck or a sword with 4 feet of reach that you can sharpen in minutes

>>33334340
I think scickles are more grappley then pokey

>>33334392
Do you even need it to be particularly sharp? I reckon it should have teeth, which coul be useful for grapling limbs and necks as they bite into armor or skin rather than sliding on it

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>while weaponizing other farming tools like scythes, flails, tridents and picks is quite widespread.

I think part of it may be that we're overestimating the impact of farming tools on weaponry.

By and large the war scythe wasn't a proper, purpose built polearm, but a quickly improvised weapon using a scythe blade because that's what was available, re-mounted in a decidedly un-scythe like fashion. (Maybe a few were made as weapons from the start late on in Poland.)

The trident seems more like a fishing thing, and was never a common spear form. It may also have been the result of changes in spears rather than direct descent from a pitchfork or so.

Flails don't appear to have been very common.

Picks again seem to be the result of evolution of warhammers and battleaxes more than weaponising a farming tool.

As for the sickle, it simple doesn't appear to be a terribly practical blade shape for fighting. I also suspect that it's very much on the flimsy side for a weapon.

Mair did include them in his book (and to the best of my knowledge no one else), but he included a lot of shit to put it politely. And of course, that its use is described needn't imply a recommendation that it be used, instead the instructions can be for when you have little choice in the matter. Then again, a properly serrated sickle would probably make quite an impression if you managed to pull off that ass-ripper move.

A look at it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3NTWUkGpLw

>>33333919
FPBP

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Sickle-swords did exist, and more general forward-curved swords existed in a lot of different times and places.

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>>33333788
Stop posting Lautrec, you're drunk.

>>33333788

They'll work as improvised weapons, and as history shows, they did.

It's not a bad idea if that's all you have on hand and you have no time to make/acquire something like a spear.

But, you'd choose a spear over such if you had the choice.

>>33334926
That handle looks uncomfortably thight

>>33334948
What game is dis

>>33333788
Shotel

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>>33333788

>be peasant working the land
>get called up as levy
>take your farm tool to war instead of spear
>lose it in some battle, go home empty handed
>no precious sickle to harvest the crops

typical nobleman, you dont even know about sickles, do you even farm?

>>33334069

that's a... that's a large collection of knives there lad

>>33336624

gumby 16K

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>>33337387
Yeah... been at it for 10 or so years... and that pic does not really show how many fixed blades are in that box.

>>33334455

The bill was pretty effective as far as agricultural adaptations went.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_(weapon)

Though it was in effect just a polearm with a pointy-stabby bit and a hooky-slashy bit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotel

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>>33334926
I'd say the shotel is largely playing the exception to the rule here. For things like the khopesh, often described as sickle swords, the main edge will be on the outside of the curvature (as that's where the single edged ones, which appears to be the majority, puts it).

>>33337539
Bah, gotta forget something I guess.

Also, just for fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIGNxnR8HiU

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It doesn't really do anything an axe can't do better. Battle axe is cheaper, sturdier, has better penetration and can still strike around shields.

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>>33333788
As other anons pointed out the extreme curve is difficult to mass produce reliably.

Beyond that, it's a weapon that can't really be used to maximum effect in closed ranks the way a spear or sword can.

One sickle like weapon not yet mentioned is the falx. It was used by the Dacians to good effect against the Romans, supposedly a good soldier could bring the tip down with enough force to pierce a helmet.

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>>33333788

>>33333919
fpbp

>>33337735
Wrong side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRTwlfmMrsk

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>>33334948
>that poster of good-ol-hitler inna background

>>33333788
Why not use them with a hammer as well, you filthy communist?

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>>33337844

>>33334926
Probably the best example available.
>>33334423
Only in D&D where you can use them to make trip attempts.

>>33334926
Those aren't sickle swords

A sickle is sharp on the interior curve and dull on the outside
The purpose is to gather long stalks of grass/wheat/whatever and cut it at the bottom of the curve

That weapon has the outside edge sharpened and the inside edge dulled.
The opposite of a sickle
It's purpose is slashing, particularly on horseback where the rounded blade will not easily catch

>>33338204
check your autism

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>>33338204
Are you perhaps thinking of the khopesh (and friends) rather than the shotel? The latter is to the best of my knowledge used tip forward/hooking, with the tip most likely being the main wounder, not the edges. Edge geometry generally (based on a woefully lacking sample size) seems to support two edges, but of course that doesn't need to mean they bothered to sharpen bother, or even either if we want to approach mathematical evidence levels.

>huhr duhr you can hit the opponent with either side, it's not a sickle
eat shit

>>33333788
Just place it on a hammer, and it will kill millions.

>>33338148
>Only in D&D where you can use them to make trip attempts.
And what really stops you from making them in a real fight? Besides the fact that ramming the tip deep into their tissues would be far deadlier. I mean grappling limbs and necks with an axe is almost harmless, yet people developed dozens of techniques for exactly that, because grappling is just so powerful on it's own.

>>33338964
>And what really stops you from making them in a real fight?
Because you'd be run through with the other guy's pointy thing before you could get close enough to grab a limb?

>>33337830
what movie is this from?

>>33339076
If you have a sickle, and the other guy has a proper weapon, then you run away or give up. If you wanna try your luck against a sword or halberd or somethign then good fucking luck, I hope your widow makes some good beer for the wake.

If the other guy also has a sickle or a basic utility knife, or a broken bottle or something like that, then you're in for the usual distance management, entering techniques and all that which all weapons need to worry about in one way or another.

And once that's all dealt with the fact that you're armed with a sickle means your cuts are going to end up being hooking kinda-grappling as well as pretty much a bare minimum, and the close range means you're never more than a hands grip away from full on grappling either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75OwhW2d7dA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDRBrvgcJp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6UumBR7Fzc

>>33338302
go back to /v/, retard

>>33337944
>commie weebshit

That's some next level mallninja autism.

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>>33333788
>sickle-derived weaon
>in use for 1700 years
Where is your god now?

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African mambele is probably the closest thing to a sickle. The edge is on the inside and is meant to hook around shields

>>33339169
it's an episode of Father Ted

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>>33342379
Odds are the khopesh is descended from the epsilon axe rather than the sickle. Edge on the outside and all that.

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Supposedly early and rather less sickle-like khopesh.

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Japanese weaponised sickles in form of kama and kusarigama but then the point was that they were weapons used by ninjas who were disguised as peasants so using a sickle as a weapon made sense.