Bolt-Actions

The Type-38 action was stronger.

The best military bolt-action rifle is the MAS 36. It's stupid-simple, strong, has GREAT sights and 7.5x54mm is an excellent cartridge.

>>33330001

>stronger action than the lee enfields

So it's only the second weakest of world war 2?

>>33330068
came here to make this joke; was not let down.

>>33330001
Don't forget the chrome lined barrel.

>>33330033
This is also valid.

In my opinion, the Krag Jorgensen is the best bolt action because of the smooth like butter bolt. But that's just me.

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>>33330001
It must be hard being so wrong all the time

Don't get me wrong, I love my Arisaka, but the dust cover was a shit, and usually was quickly discarded by the rifles carriers. Additionally, short of going online, I can't find 7.7 Jap anywhere. The last place I saw it was at a local gunshow, and the seller was busy redpilling someone on the dollar bill, it's hidden illuminati symbols, and the fate of our antichrist lizard government.

But the rifle is a beauty though.

>>33330202
>usually was quickly discarded by the rifles carriers

Is this the new 'folded over 10000000 times'?

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>>33330202
>but the dust cover was a shit, and usually was quickly discarded by the rifles carriers.
You're wrong on both accounts.
I have amassed hundreds of original photographs, including Type 38s in Russian, British and Chinese puppet troops and they all have dust covers attached.

Tales of the Gun was retarded. They literally said that Marines could tell where Japanese soldiers were because of the dust cover rattling AFTER they shot at them.

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Obviously a troll thread, but whatever. Without any doubt this is actually the best bolt action not only of WW2, but of all time.

>>33330033
>The best military bolt-action rifle is the MAS 36.

The best thing about all French military rifles is that they were never fired and only dropped once.

>>33330033
I'll go with this dude. The Type 38 was better. The 7.7mm was overkill and they'd have been better served sticking with what was essentially an early intermediate cartridge.

The Type 99 is a nice rifle, but it was kind of overengineered. Some of those extra features were a waste of time, like the anti-aircraft sights.

My personal favorite (not saying it's objectively the best) is the K31. Smooth action, precisely engineered, and the best trigger pull you'll find on a military rifle. Plus, they are incredibly accurate. The only downside is the sights. They sort of let the rifle down, in my opinion. But I slapped a diopter sight on mine, so I can't complain anymore.

For military use, I'd go with the No 4 Mk 1. The only downside is the rimmed ammo - apart from that, it's pretty great. They're robust, easy to use, have fantastic sights, and a 10-round magazine. The weaker action and decreased potential accuracy from rear locking isn't that big of a deal when you consider that the military would only issue ammo designed for the rifle, and most individual riflemen aren't marksman-tier.

M1903 or M1917 who ya got

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>>33330202
If their soldiers were going to remove the dust covers, then why keep making the rifles with them? Why did the think the armorer's spare parts box had extras in there? What do you think is the reason why the Emperor's seal is on the receiver of the gun? It's to say that it's his rifle, not yours so don't fuck with it and your Sergeant would beat your ass for throwing away parts of the Emperor's rifle.

Also finding 7.7 isn't that hard. Grafs sells is loaded and I can find it pretty regularly at Cabela's.

>>33330328
>Mauser is best because it's a Mauser
Yeah no.

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>>33330033
Can't argue with these digits.

Not that I would argue the point to begin with.

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>>33330347
>the best trigger pull you'll find on a military rifle
Nope.

>>33330202
>throwing the dust cover away
imagine how much trouble a soldier would get in if he just began throwing away pieces of a rifle that his government issued to him

>>33330068
the Arisaka had the strongest action of any WWII rifle. even stronger than the K98

>>33330159
I feel my MAS36 is smother than my Krag. On the Krag there is no feeling in the bolt at all for the travel, but for the locking and especially when the extractor rides over the receiver at the end of travel it feels rather clunky.
>>33330347
You're saying the Type 99 is over engineered when your favorite is the K31?

>>33330401
Shit. If that movie about the battleship Yamato is true, sailors were beaten by their officers if they left a porthole open.
The Imperial forces did not fuck around when it came to being proper. If your rifle was issue with a dust cover, you better have it on your rifle or have it somewhere you can readily access it.

>>33330415
the type 38 definitely was mechanically superior; but the metal used was inferior. Poorly executed.

>>33330478
No it wasn't where the fuck did you get that from some deadbeat on the History Channel?

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Whoa, really made me think, dude

>>33330355
this

>>33330503
What that is was engineered better than other bolt action rifles at the time?
>The Type 99 is one of the strongest military bolt rifles ever made
Do your own googling.

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>>33330001
>muh japanese waifu
Get your head out your ass

>>33330001
I've never shot the Type 99 but I can say I love my Type 38 carbine.

>>33330503
Hatchers notebook, but that's probably not good enough for you.

>>33330478
false. when the Type 38s were being made the Japs were still able to import chromium to make very very good steel

Since I didn't see a Milsurp General, what is the difference between Turkish Mausers and other Gewehr 98s?

>>33330001
I prefer the 38, flatter softer shooting 6.5, even stronger recievers and used to kill soviet gommunists

>>33330392
Can't speak for the lever nugget, as I've never shot one. K31s are easier to get than 1895s. What's the trigger like? Two-stage? Light pull? Clean break? I'm genuinely interested.

>>33330446
>You're saying the Type 99 is over engineered when your favorite is the K31?

Yes. The K31 doesn't have excess shit on it like anti-aircraft sights or monopods. Yes, the bolt is more complicated than a normal turn-bolt rifle, but it doesn't have anything else extra. But, like I said, it's my favorite rifle to shoot. I'm not going to pretend the K31 is the ideal military rifle - it's just a joy to own.

>>33331437
I'm tempted to call it a single stage, because the slop in mine is probably from seeing a hard life. But it is incredibly light and crisp. The lever nugget as a whole is a dream to shoot. I'd rank it above my K31 in almost every category honestly. Better sights, smoother action, better trigger, slimmer overall design. It's a Cadillac of a rifle.

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>>33330001
no... the type 44 is better.

>>33330180
Mein neger

So underappreciated

>>33331962
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p39ulIfnzc

>>33330392
Will trade for MAS 49/56 :^)

>>33330001
>Another cant we all agree that x thread
No thanks.

I'm curious, but how strong is the Mosin action?

>>33332350
Stronk

>>33331521
Damn, now I've got to get my hands on a lever nugget to try for myself.

>>33330001
The Mannlicher–Schönauer 1903, prove me wrong.

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>>33333520
Ok...where do you want me to start?

>>33333502
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628987890

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/629279468

If you have the cash, there are two right there. I wouldn't pay that much though. You can probably get one for $2500 or so at the next Rock Island Auction.

>>33333537
Where ever you feel like.

>>33333557
>$2500 is a good price for a lever nugget

Why even live. I'll have to shelve that dream for a while.

>>33333558
Weak extractor, two piece bolt head, poor sights, magazine is nearly impossible to service quickly or easily, triggers are sub par, and sensitive about headspace.

>>33330546
No the fuck the metal is inferior fuckface

>>33330579
>Implying I was talking about the action and not how the poster said it was made with inferior metals

Didn't want to make a thread for this, but what's the best way to carry loose rounds/stripper clips on your body? I'm using a Lee Enfield and currently have an ALICE set up and a bandoleer I've been using to carry ~300 loose rounds of .303. Unfortunately it's hard to draw ammo from and it's kind of uncomfortable. Mostly using this for shameless LARPing and innawoods hikes.

>MUH ACTION STRENGTH FOLDED 1,000,000 TIMES SUPERIOR NIHON METAL CRAFT
Tell me again how this helped a soldier fight and kill their enemy when the round fired did not even exceed 50,000psi? It's literally another Mauser. It fires a round inferior to 8mm, which is fired out of a 'weaker' rifle without a single fuck being given. It doesn't even have a receiver mounted aperture sight. Is this 1901?

Arisakaboos need to shut up already.

>>33330328
This

>>33334934
>It's literally another Mauser
No, it isn't. Mauser inspired yes, but it is not a Mauser.
Also it has forward mounted aperture sights, superior to every Mauser rifle ever made.

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>>33330001
I am just going to place my vote, against all of ya'll.

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>>33334058

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>>33330332
how original

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>>33330550
>Brit waifu
>jap waifu

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>>33330033
>best military bolt-action rifle is the MAS 36

>>33337252
Alex never said that actually.
>>33335681
Well, it's at least as good as the SMLE, that much we know.

>>33330328
the springfield 1903 is better. though mostly a copy of the k98, it has a simple mechanical ejector rather than a spring-loaded one which is more reliable. also has better sights imo.

>>33337380
the magazine cutoff is neat too

>>33330001
>lost the war

>>33337933

>>33337961
Thanks, I just needed one

I like the M39 mosin.

>>33338018
Nice but rather heavy. For the defensively minded Finns though it's not much a detriment.

>>33330366
Can't argue with these digits.
Not that I would want to, regardless.

>>33337380
>though mostly a copy of the k98

It has more in common with mausers from 93-96 than the M98.

>>33337380
>a spring-loaded one
Mauser ejectors are not spring-loaded.

>>33340870
It's basically a combination of the Mauser Model 1893 (we captured thousands during Spanish-American War) and the Krag Springfield Model 1898.

>>33337380
It's just a more complicated Mauser, not better.

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>>33330355
>>33330292
>>33330202
Because I was bored and have autism, I made a video explaining why dust covers weren't thrown away by Japanese soldiers and why they are commonly missing now.

https://youtu.be/-kK044FzPnI

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Casting my vote right here.

The 1891 Argentine Mauser. Smooth, fast, impeccably well made, and laser beam accurate.

>Pre-98 Mauser is best Mauser

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>>33330001
Germans know a thing or two about bolt action rifles
>Mauser k98

>>33330001
No. American bolt actions are the best. Winchester Model 70, Remington 700, Ruger American, Browning X Bolt, etc.

>>33344167
Only if you're a hunter.

>>33334058
>300 loose rounds of .303
How much does that weigh?

>>33334058
>300 rounds for a bolt action
Literally why? Might as well carry 2/3 of that in a comfortable backpack. I.E. Something with an intergeated frame not an ALICE you turbo autist.

>>33344237
A hundred rounds of linked 7.62mm weighs roughly 7 lbs. So I'm going to guess at least 5, maybe 6 pounds per 100 rounds.

>>33331924
the right answer

>>33335681
i mean it completely disrupted the US chain of command for a few minutes so that was cool

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>>33330001
This guy right here. I want to find a set of diopters for it. I also own a Finn M39. Haven't even cleaned the cosmo out of it let alone shot it. Also anyone know if Soviet surplus is ok to fire out of it? I own a 91/30 that I have a lot of ammo for and if its not safe or smart to use it in the M39 that ammo and rifle (91/30) are gone. I would probably get some PPU 54r and try to find a decent Ishapore finally.

Sorry if this kinda ran on or made no sense. I am about half way through a bottle of Stoli at this point.

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>>33345008
My 91/30. Is good rifle. Made of Russia.

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>>33345008
>I want to find a set of diopters for it

Do it.

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/17802

Is 7.62x54R good enough to hunt with?

>>33345187
depends what you're hunting

>>33345187
Not for prairie dogs or pheasant.

But yes, for large game it's fine. Think of it as a rimmed 30-06.

>>33334058
Those pouches like >>33337087 or bandolier for clips. For loose rounds just a closable bag on a belt would be good but 300 rounds would probably to much.

>>33330001
>heat treatment was ass and was compensated by thicker material and the hope that soldiers would die before they fired too many rounds if any
>all 30 cal roughly performs the same so you fags need to stop acting like 150 grain 30.06 is stronger than 150 grain 308
>the Mauser action in general is stronger than the enfield action. This is like being proud that s mini van is better for families than a motorcycle
>literally the trigger is the only feature. The monopod was never used and the aircraft sights were strictly for troop morale
>you clearly have never held an Arisaka in real life if you think for a second anybody kept the dust cover on
2/10 triggered me

>>33337321
>>33337252
Didn't Alex say it was Mauser? I think he was also grouping the Japanese rifles and the 1903 with the Mauser since that actions are similar. He likes to spout that fact that the Mauser is that actual most manufactured rifle in the world instead of the ak since so many rifles copied it's action.

>>33345281
>All this Fuddlore
Doesn't deserve the (you)s you're gonna get.
>>33345284
He specifically said the Mauser 98, so that wouldn't include the Arisaka (not a Mauser) or the 1903 (not a 98 based action). He's also wrong in any case.

>>33332307
Bro, I'd gladly get your MAS 49/56 from you if you don't want it.

Is it the 7.62 or the 7.5 variant?

>>33346397
7.5

>>33345284
>He likes to spout that fact that the Mauser is that actual most manufactured rifle in the world instead of the ak
With over a hundred million Kalashnikov-pattern rifles produced AK production has far outstripped Mauser production, even if you toss in all those rifles that people act like are Mauser copies (like the Arisaka 38, Enfield P14, Winchester 54 & 70, Remington 725/721,700 etc)

>>33331437
The bolt of the K31 is not complicated at all.

Are you morons noguns? Jesus.

>>33330328
If I could actually find one not overpriced I'd get it immediately.

>>33344233
Not realising war is just another hunting expedition

>>33346397
Actual 7.62NATO made 49/56s are rare. Less than 200 made IIRC.
The Century conversions of 7.5 to .308 ones are common and are a shit.

>>33330328
How accurate can a K98 be best-case?

Could one get sub-moa with a precision trigger and well-fit, bedded stock?

>>33347977

They used them for years post-war as target rifles, so I'd wager they can be tweaked for impressive accuracy.

>>33345008

>Not posting the superior 1896/11 or G11

For shame, anon.

I've always like the long rifles better. And of the two, my 1896/11 just feels a bit better.