K-9 thread

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How do you guys feel about dogs in war? How practical are they? Will they eventually be phased out?

>>33329785
They need to just cut out the middleman and create furries.
>Tfw no qt doggo girl to oper8 with

Capcha:Europa 2100

They're good dogs

>>33329863
>climb in fear, isis

So, I've noticed that a lot of military/police dogs are German Shepherds. Why is that? What makes them such good options? Is there a better candidate for military service dogs?

>>33330907
Highly intelligent, as far as dogs go, and fairly high energy. Plus they enjoy being given tasks. Belgian malinois are also used, they're basically a german shepherd with shorter hair.

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>>33330928
I should get one of those. What's the logistics of getting an operator dog?

>>33330907
Police/Military dogs need to be of a certain size to be able to attack and knock people down, they need to be able to take commands well, they need to be able to go into water, they need to be trainable, etc et al.

There are certain breeds that fit well. German Shepherds fit and most military dogs today are actually Belgian Malinios.

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>>33330928
>tfw will never be modified mastiffs bred to be hyper intelligent for operations
>tfw will never have big doger8or
it hurts

>>33330608
Have dogs always served the same purpose in war? I can imagine detecting mines and whatnot is a more recent development

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi5FVs63Jo

Dogs are the fucking best

>>33331069
well, the germans tried to jihad-dog russian tanks on the eastern front using german shepherds that would run under the tank with an explosive vest and explode, but they forgot some things:
>dogs do not like the noises a tank, and in general a war, makes
>dogs will not assume who the enemy is
>dogs will do exactly what you train them
>if you train them on your tanks, they will blow up your tanks
it wasn't exactly successful.

>>33331000
I took my GSD to a protection training evaluation. I had to wait 3 hours before our turn and saw 15 other doges in various states of training. The Malinois were the best at it. The traits that make a good operator dog do not exactly lend themselves to good pets imo.

Imagine if Conor McGregor on steroids was a tweaker and had gone two days without a fix. That's the state most these dogs are in before they work.

Jacked up and good to go

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>>33331119
>if you train them on your tanks, they will blow up your tanks
RIP doggos

>>33329785
They had a dog when they killed Osama. And he was apparently pretty useful.

They are not leaving any time soon.

>>33331171
>The traits that make a good operator dog do not exactly lend themselves to good pets imo.
Still, a man can dream.

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>>33329702
I was explosive detection k9 for ten years. Thread makes my night.

Pic me and my dog back in the day IIcarus. The double I means he was bred at lacklands puppy program.

Also, I feel like dogs are good at raising morale. Can make you feel comfy and loved in shitty situations.

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>>33331244
How was it working in that field?

>>33331119
I heard the exact same story except it was Russians who tried it.

>>33331244
>dubs
>the doubles I mean

Good post desu.

>>33331119
Actually it was the other way around, the Russians had the anti-tank dogs and tried to use them against the Germans

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>>33331227
The trainer wanted to work with my girl but it was going to take too many lessons because I trained a lot of her prey drive out when she was small.

If any of you guys wants to get your maligators or gsd in this type of work make sure you start em young and you encourage their prey drive

specifically chasing biting and holding onto something like a rope toy. They have to think that toy is the end all be all of everything. Similar to how a lab thinks of tennis balls.

here is my beast

>>33331244
how many dogs did you work with?

>>33331351
Now, how does one train a dog to do that, while still maintaining obedience? How can you trust a dog like that to work off-leash?

>>33329820
Good decoy, didn't jam the dog up, nice work.

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>>33330620
are those german sheperds? Hope not.. usa can't had gsd reeeeeeeeeeeee

There's a video I've been looking for. I wonder if anyone else has seen it. It's a single dude and his dog operating hardcore in this grassy area. The dog watches guy constantly, crawls on the ground with him, and iirc, climbs up on his back at some point.

>>33331173
Not exactly, they managed to rig up the bomb harnesses to quick detach once the bomb was attached to it's target, and the bombs were either timed or remote triggered(I forget which)to give the dogs time to get out of the blast zone. If only because they realized that if the dog allahu ackbared they'd have to spend time training a new dog every time they blew up a tank.

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War has never being this cute.
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>>33331119
>implying germans would abuse on this way their animals

Mmm.. I wonder..

>>33331251
The military have therapy dogs that they bring to bases in active combat zones who's sole purpose is to play with soldiers. One of them holds the rank of major(she's a chocolate lab named Eden).

>>33331448
Absolutely adorable

>>33331325
my bad, I couldn't remember all the details and well, using german shepherds would cause common sense to figure it was germans that did it.
same difference anyway.

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>>33331381
Not all dogs have the right kind or level of drive. The discipline part comes later.

Its so intense for these dogs that many police dogs that are brought out but not get a chance to do their job have to be taken out and trained after because of all the pent up energy and thought.

work work work

If I had more money it's something I would do because its impressive to see in person.

>>33331564
and by training I meant they have to go out and simulate taking someone down.

being out but not getting a chance to work is like us getting blue balls

>>33331372
I worked with five, three in training then two while at my base. I got lucky and stayed with my first dog until he died. Our deployment tempo was really high when I was a handler and it wasn't uncommon for someone to come home and someone else would be deploying would have to pick up his dog because everyone else was deployed and there were only narc/non deployable dogs left on station.

After my dog died I picked up a narc dog and got out a year after. I started having lung problems the military/va attributed to burn pit exposure and can't figure out what is exactly going on with us. Im part of a long term study with the VA and get paid to do nothing.

I'd much rather be deploying with an explosives dog again.

>>33331647
what pistol is in robodogs leg?

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>>33331300
It is by far the most rewarding and fun career on the planet.

Statue I was given by my kennels when my boy died.

>>33331685
That is a fucking awesome statue

>>33331621
I've loved dogs my whole life. I don't know if I could have done your job. Most people think because the dogs are so smart and aggressive their training must be very mean and abusive. Its crazy how its actually the polar opposite of abuse.

did your guy die on deployment?

>>33331693
There's a few articles with me and my dog but I don't think I want my personal info on 4chan.

Pic of him I have on my military wall. Have his pic top center of every other award.

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>>33331758
Forgot the fucking pic.

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>>33331621
What does training a military dog involve, and how long does it take for a dog to become ready for service?

>>33331761
This the pic of the guy in whateverstan that carried his dog because the ground was burning the dog's paw pads?

>>33331776
What breed is that?

>>33331810
Don't know, but I could imagine so. Hot sand's gotta be killer on a dog's feet

>>33331776
IIcarus looks like he was a good boy
he gets heavenly belly rubs

>>33331756
Yeah. On our last fucking deployment too. He was retiring and coming home with me when we got back. Instead we got medevacd to rammstein.

When I got there the vet did his primary exam and told me he was confident he'd be ok. They sent me to a room with a bed because I hadn't slept in 48 hours. About two hours after falling asleep I just heard the knock on the door and knew something was wrong. They asked if I wanted to say bye but they still had him opened up and I couldn't see him like that. I didn't want that to be my last memory of him.

I cried and my homeys I knew at rammstein kennels picked me up with a fifth of Bacardi and I spent three weeks in my hotel room getting drunk waiting for a flight.

I had to haul around my kennel and all of my dog gear through the airports sad as fuck. Drinking to try and keep it numb.

The rapport and bond we have with those dogs is much greater than any civilian has with his dog. It felt like my best friend and brother died.

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>>33331810
this one?

>>33331811
Probably a germshep. Not all of them have the black and tan coloring.

>>33331811
German shepherd from Germany. The dog IICARUS was a Malinois. I don't want to put my main dogs name on here because my personal info is attached to it on Google.

>>33331776
He's a good looking dog. He;s up in Valhalla waiting.

>>33331852
>The rapport and bond we have with those dogs is much greater than any civilian has with his dog.

If this sounds insulting, I didn't mean it to be, but don't underestimate how attached civis can get to their dogs. There are people that have full on funerals for their dogs, people that just sit there like a stone when something bad happens to even their closest human family members, but proceed to absolutely lose it when their dog passes.

>>33331852
I'm a grown man and I'm tearing up reading this. I've seen a few documentaries and have been a part of some working dog training. I couldn't do your job.

>>33331931
Its not insulting at all. I am exactly this same way.

>>33331931
I'm the k9 guy I didn't post that but yeah he's right.

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>>33331351
My pup comes from a working line, but after being around some actual working dogs, I decided I need a family dog more than operator pup. She prefers being chased over chasing, although she goes nuts for ropes. Despite having most of her prey drive trained out, she still will occasionally show her working heritage.

>Out at grandparent's land with pup
>Coyotes start howling, which is normal, but they were really close this time
>Grab pistol and start walking towards the fence
>Pup instantly recognizes the change of atmosphere (was chatting with my wife at the time) and darts to get between my legs
>She walks with me to the fence line, matching my steps
>I fire a few rounds at shadows across the field
>She doesn't even flinch, even though that's the first time she was around gunfire
>Retreat back to the house and go inside with no further incidents

I've taken her out shooting a couple times now, she has acted perfectly each time.

>>33332055
You should get your pupper some earpro. They make earmuffs for dogs.

>>33332055
How does gunfire affect a dog's hearing? Wouldn't it be harder on their ears than ours, or am I just being retarded?

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>>33332078
That is on the list along with some rexspecs, I've had her sit in the back of my SUV with the hatch opened away from the firing line when I take her out, so she at least isn't getting the full report.

>>33332080
It absolutely affects them worse than it does us

>Pup and pupper in training

>>33332080
We do 5.56 and .38 gun fire twice a week. Some dogs don't care some spaz out, especially the ones that have been blown up deployed.

I don't think there's a way to tell by I've never seen an mwd have hearing problems from it

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>>33332055
your pup is a qt 3.14

Mine has very strong protection instincts. She turns 3 next month and as she has gotten older and more confident those instincts have manifested more and more.

I want to take my guys out to Tahoe and go shooting my gun one of these days.

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>>33332129
>rexspecs

Why not doggle brand doggles?

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>>33332055
I take her in public as part of her training. Nordstroms and Macy's are very dog friendly. Most people assume shes a working dog anyway so have never gotten any undue attention from it.

She growls at brown people. Especially east Indians lol otherwise she is pretty good in public settings.

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>>33332233
>very strong protection instincts.
That is an understatement.

>Take pup and my two kids to a dog park
>After about an hour of running around, a pit bull pup comes out
>Pit is super excited, knocks my daughter down (he didn't mean anything by it, just too worked up)
>By the time I bend down to pick daughter up, pup has raced from the other side of the park, tackles the pit sending it rolling, and barks/growls at him staying between the pit and my daughter

And that has happened a few times now. It is amazing how strong that instinct is. She's about a year and a half now, the new pup is about 4 months old

>>33332247
Because doggles suck ass and restrict their field of view.

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>>33332247

>>33332281
>She growls at brown people.
Yep, mine does too. When we got her as a pup we were living in an apartment complex. The apt had a largish field in the middle with some grills spaced out. We would play around with her, and some local nogs would occasionally come play with her too. She won't really bark at people much, but she loved barking and chasing them around.

>>33332298

Shes my first gsd. The first two years she showed signs of the protection instinct but over the last year it has come out big time. Its always controlled though. It never feels like shes going to snap or anything. If a dog gets a little carried away she generally just puts her paws on their back of their neck and growls very deeply in their ears and it enough.

gsd are very cool dogs

>>33329785
dogs have been used in war as far back as like...1000BC that we know of..so prolly not no

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Is it hard to get into the field of training these dogs? Is it pretty much a 'if you didn't do it in the military, don't bother' kind of thing?

Mine is a pretty useless sheepdog, mostly just derps around looking smiley.

Except when it comes to protecting my truck, or the doors of my house. Then she becomes a rock hard psycho who simply will not tolerate the idea of an intruder. So go ahead, put your hand in my truck. You're going to need more sutures than the average ball gown.

She's a good little critter, but I often think she would be happier working in a prison or something.

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>>33332344
Stuka was my first GSD too. I've had some labs and other mutts before that I thought were smart, but nothing like her. The others would follow commands and such, but I can actually watch her process what I'm saying and think ahead instead of blindly following orders.

>>33332398
nah its not super difficult but does take a commitment. It becomes a sort of lifestyle to a lot of people.

The training center by me has as nice social gathering type atmosphere. They have fire pit people chat around while waiting their turn. the staff very obviously loves dogs and this type of work.

Some of the stuff they do blew my mind. They could get any dog to instantly growl at them pretty much at will. My pup wasnt interested in the trainer at all until he made this weird sound and hand movement then like a switch my dog was like YOU STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY DAD!
it was crazy

>>33332398
The 341st training squadron is the only place to get legit k9 certifications. Civilian PD's have bullshit programs and I'm yet to meet any civilian handler that knows what their talking about.

The USAF runs the entire military working dog program for the DOD. The air force is a bit difficult to become a handler but the army you can join as your mos right off the bat.

I'm the k9 guy from earlier, my little brother is in the army and in k9 school right now. It's just the best way to get recognized and respected certifications.

>>33332494
I'm too old to be enlisting in anything, I was looking into doing this as a future career if my current one falls through. Sounds more difficult than >>33332477
makes it sound so I imagine research has to happen.

>>33332468
LOL

I'm the same story. Always had dogs mostly labs. My last lab was by far the best dog I ever had and would (should) have been a working dog. Perfect discipline and hunting dog instincts that I never out to proper use.
My Sophia is the smartest dog I have ever had though. Shes cunning and manipulative. I can teach her just about anything within minutes but she has to think there is a reason for her doing anything. My lab would do things and my positive reaction and a lil tennis ball was all she needed to keep her going. With Sophia...........its more like "fuck you whats in it for me?"

>>33332544
Im sorry I misread your post. I didnt catch the part where you were talking about being a trainer yourself. I thought you were talking about getting your dog in training...oops

>>33332544
My dad was a civilian handler. You dont need to go through the 341st.

If you want to start look at some leerburg videos. Anyone can do it and don't let what I said discourage you.

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My dog of war.

>>33329785
if they get portable GC/MS machines or the like with fast idiot-proof readouts, then maybe
until then it's a lot faster and cheaper to train some dogs to find whatever it is you want them to find
also they boost morale, they show people another side to soldiers, yadda yadda yadda

>>33329863
>dogs that climb ladders
move over /d/, I have officially seen it all
seriously how the fuck did they do this

>>33331782
Sorry for the late response. So either lackland puppy program dogs are selected or we have buy teams go to Belgium and Germany to buy dogs.

There's no guarantee any of those dogs will be fit for military service. At lackland DTS takes responsibility of them as they're tested for positive attributes. Prey drive is the number one characteristic we look for in an MWD.

They go through their own school then they are shipped to their bases for advanced training and paired up with a handler.

>>33332281
I have a lab that used to bark only at black people. We could never figure out why

>>33332869
My mwd would bark at anyone wearing a haji mandress. Even training at Creech he'd lose his shit if one of the actors we used had middle eastern garb. They know bro, they know.

>>33332840
MWD?

>>33332869
they look different
it's like seeing anything else they're unfamiliar with, it's probably going to make them uneasy until they can sniff it, poke it, walk around it five times, etc.

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>>33333005
Military Working Dog.

Me and my doggo.

>>33332129
>rexspecs
I just googled this shit. This is fucking badass

>>33332840
Out of curiosity, does Lackland only provide dogs for the military? Would a civie be able to purchase one? I'll probably never do it, but I'm still curious

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One last hero before I retire for the night

>>33333272
There are fail outs you can get. The dogs that have done their time a handler adopts them. In ten years I've never heard of an mwd not being retired with a handler.

>all these anons with german shepherds itt
>tfw always wanted one but shelter wouldn't sell it because I didn't fucking have a tall enough fence
it hurts
still love my lab/pitt and my dane, though.

>>33333478
>In ten years I've never heard of an mwd not being retired with a handler.
That's actually nice to hear. I like knowing that the service dogs are kept with the people who have a very special bond with them

>>33333484
Don't feel too bad. gsd are like a 9/10 high maintenance girlfriend or a Ducati. People are like ooohh aaaaahh so pretty etc..but at home they are destroying your house and being eternally needy. There is a reason why there are so many gsd rescue groups. Labs are much easier and far less neurotic.

Only experienced dog folk or true blue dog lovers should have them.

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No one has posted these yet so I'm going to

>>33331647
:(

>>33333825
what do you mean :( ?
he got his leg fixed! a lot of dogs don't get that, he even get a fancy space-age plastic leg

>>33333333

https://youtu.be/gcbe-dznTZk

Chill tune us Iraqi handlers used to bump.

Straight G shit.

Welp someone fucked up and killed a bomb dog in training http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/asia/auckland-airport-dog-shot-trnd/index.html

>>33333030
do you think they might sense an almost subconscious apprehension that we have towards people like that?

>>33331350
Jesus christ, after reading that, it absolutely stricken me how chinks and slopes can eat dogs.

>>33333985
I mean it's possible, but people give dogs too much credit on those kinds of things, most dogs aren't paying enough attention or don't care

I love dogs. that is all.

>>33331776
RIP Doggo, all dogs go to heaven at least is some solace anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKNo0Ex8UNo

>>33334021
A while back before we had to put my dog chopper down, I was sitting in the living room and I started thinking about the fact that in a few short weeks we were going to have to put him down, a wave of sadness rushed over me and before I even started to cry or really make any noise or indicate in any way what I was feeling, both of the dogs in the house got up from across the room, rushed up to me and started licking me in a really affectionate way and they wouldn't stop until I felt better. I've never seen anything like it before. I think they are pretty in touch with what you are feeling, at least on a basic emotional level especially if they know you.

>>33331119
Holy fuck I kek'd hard.

I just have to say as an individual that adopted a Belgian Shepard mutt that they are not for the faint of heart. Smartest dog I've ever met, difficult to train, but she did learn "fuck off" which gave me five minutes of peace before she'd come check if she could hang out. Generally after I cleaned up the mess she'd just made.

>>33333519
>I like knowing that the service dogs are kept with the people who have a very special bond with them
Don't read up on what they did with the dogs that went to Vietnam then.

>>33334021
You'd be surprised, dogs communicate with each other almost entirely by subtle changes in body language and they will pick up the same changes in humans (we've been co-evolving for millennia, it'd be surprising if they didn't).

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>>33329892
>Tfw no qt doggo girl to oper8 with

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A puppers of war thread that I didn't start?
Commencing dump

/k/ will fight over calibers, over furniture, over optics and sighting systems. They'll fight over manufacturers, over branches of the military, over vehicle systems, over powder types.
/k/ will fight and flame and scream over ANYTHING.
Anything except the ONE THING that all of /k/ agrees on:
Dogs are awesome.

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>>33334399

Suicide doge reporting for boom

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>>33334456
Worth reading

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>>33334462

>>33331776
>>33331758 i teared up

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>>33334471

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>>33334477
Another pic of Chips, as mentioned by >>33331530

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>>33329702

It Ain't Me.....

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>>33334505

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>>33334507

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>>33334513

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>>33334520

Now I'm sad because I don't have a dog. Had them around through most of my childhood but got allergic as soon as I wasn't exposed to them on a daily basis for the first time.

I still have a really easy time communicating with them whenever I meet one and they usually like me instantly.

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>>33334526

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>>33334601

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>>33334603
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Stubby

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>>33334608

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>>33334634
M1919 PUPPER

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>>33334639
Last one

>>33329702
Is it possible to train your doggo as a k9 by your own ?

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>>33330069
Is every SAW gunner black? I thought it was a video game stereotype

>>33334902
Sure, if you know what you're doing. But a lot of that training depends on the particular dog, and not every dog is cut out for it. Schutzhund is a bit more reliable.

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>>33331776
A real diamond dog

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>>33334287
Don't worry. I already know what happened. It really pisses me off.

>>33334656
These images are fucking great. Thanks for sharing, man

>>33333734
there's an nice webm too, unfortunatelly i couldn't find

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>>33335663
sorry, posted on wrong thread

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>>33335545
>desires to know more intensifies

>>33332385
See Conquistadores' dogs

>>33335765
About Vietnam, or that picture?

>>33331852
Sorry bro. I'm a civvi and Id lose my shit if one of my battle bros died. So sorry.

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>>33337479

>>33333039
thats a nice looking pup

>>33334389
I want this patch

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>>33329722
Why does he wear the mask?

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>>33333849
Witnessed

>>33336226
Yes

>>33334051
That is incredibly sad.

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>>33331852
I dont know what to say... that is fucking heart breaking. Here is a picture of my girl. She is loved and wondering why i just got so sad

>>33329892
seconded

>>33331069
in WW1 dogs were used to run telephone wire along trenches and through no mans land.

As such they were heavily targeted :(

>>33329904
Better than most spotters

>>33334603
>i smell bacon. Step out of the car.

>>33336226
about what ahppened to dogs in vietnam war

>>33338666
They were all put down.

The military views mwd's as equipment. Back then it was cheaper to leave the equipment there rather than bring them home.

They're still viewed as equipment but are treated much better than most house pets. What happened in Vietnam is archaic and wouldn't happen today in the military. Private contractors get caught doing horrendous shit all the time and the military gets blamed by retards that have no idea the military had anything to do with those dogs.