Why are the owners of plastic and aluminum .22 caliber hobby

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>>33320570
I think you mean AR kits.
I've never known an avid .22 fan to behave like that. Typically they tend to be the geeks of the gun community so to speak.

Gear-queer tactifags are by far the biggest shit talk offenders.

>>33320611
.223 is .22 caliber

>>33320570
Do you have any examples? I've never met anyone who took .22 seriously. Only for fucking about and occasionally target shooting.

>>33320650
I think OP is referring to AR-15s since .223/5.56 are .22 caliber bullets

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>>33320570
Why don't you post your own gun instead of b8 posting the same shit every hour?

>>33320686
I have a RAS 47 and a Maadi, they're in the safe

>>33320570
>>33320629
>intermediate caliber baby looking down on anyone
Cartridge length is like dick length, 10mm:1". If you're under 50mm you are demonstrably better suited to be a woman than a man. That 7.62 chode is still worthless.

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>>33320629
Only to baitposters and autists with a weird hangup.

To everyone else, a .22 is a rimfire

>>33320704
>Facts are only facts to trolls and autists

Lol. It remains a fact that it's still just a .22 caliber bullet no matter how fast you send it

>>33320570
Building my AKs was a much funner hobby than building my two ARs, but I do honestly think that the AR is the better rifle. That's just my opinion though, so please try to avoid getting mad over it.

>>33320723
How about you put one through the roof of your mouth and come back and tell us about how shit its ballistics are?

I've already seen you shitpost these retarded image macros like 3 times today. Fuck off, faggot. We get it, you're poor.

>>33320740
OP here. I would be fine with AR guys saying they're good rifles with a lot of high points like modability, being able to change caliber with just a barrel change, stuff like that

I'm talking about the "LolAKsareobsolete" fags

>>33320780
>Owning a Maadi

>Poor

>>33320783
It sounds like you're caring about things that don't matter. Why not just buy both rifles and fuck off to the land of not caring about things that don't matter?

>>33320723
>.22 caliber bullet no matter how fast you send it
No one said it wasn't, but no one calls it that because they understand that there's a quantitative difference between a ~60 grain jacketed bullet above 3000 fps and a 40 grain lead bullet under 1500 fps.

Reminder that 5.45 is one of the only TRUE .22 calibers out there.

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>>33320701
>RAS47

>>33320836
And remember the eastern bloc is ditching it as fast as they can

Ukraine even halted production of their M16s because they didn't want tot use it
>>33320827
It matters because, indirectly, ignorant gun owners provide fodder for anti-gunners

>>33320783
AKs are obsolete now that ARs are a thing. 7.62x39 is obsolete now that .300 Blackout is a thing. 5.45x39 is obsolete now that M855A1 is a thing.
>inb4 blackout is a meme
USSOCOM is buying into the "meme".

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>>33320701
>i have a maadi
no you dont

>>33320882
>AKs are obsolete now that ARs are a thing.

>A gun chambered in a 30 caliber cartridge is obsolete now that a gun chambered in a .22 caliber cartridge is a thing

The AK platform is so obsolete that the second largest military in the world just adopted the AK12 for its primary military shotgun

>>33320905
>implying all ARs are .223
>ignoring more than half my post

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>>33320882
People need to fuck off with the .300 memeout and just go with a .308 or 7.62x54r if they want the .30 cal sexiness. Or if intermediate is a must, just go with 7.62x39 which is hugely supported and Russians are still manufacturing ap ammo for.

>>33320874
How are you even going to try to make this about anti-gun legislation? You bought into the stupid AK vs AR argument so I don't doubt you're at least partially retarded, but good grief you're taking this to the next level.

>>33320701
>I have a RAS 47

>talking shit to anybody

>>33320929
Let me put it this way; How many anti-gunners have you known that actually know jack shit about guns?

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I traded my AK for a 40s&w sub2000 because 10 is greater than 7.62 plus I have three ARs that can actually hit the broad side of a barn.

>>33320950
>sub2000
why did you have to get so expensive

>>33320947
What does someone who supports more restrictive gun laws have to do with people who like ARs more than AKs? You're not making any sense.

>>33320783
I started with a WASR, then bought a 5.45 Arsenal, and now I have a Polish kit build.

I bought an AR about 6 months after I bought the Arsenal, and eventually sold my WASR and Arsenal because in comparison to an AR, as an implement of defense or for predator hunting, the AK is inferior and markedly so.

I did later buy my Polish because I missed having a choppa to blast with, but it's a novelty like my M1 Carbine and I accept that.

The one thing that a generic 7.62 AK does better than a generic 5.56 AR is hunt deer at close range, because fragmenting bullets are not suitable for killing something you want to eat and bullet weight is very important for expanding bullet performance, but I don't care about that because I hunt deer in a "shotgun only for firearms" zone, and generally with a bow.

>>33320927
>memeout
SOCOM. CONTRACT. BITCHES.
ONE MILLION (1000000) rounds from Black Hills between SOCOM and the FBI.
Go meme yourself right back to memetown, memelord.

>>33320967
If people who have guns don't know shit about guns then that's going to misinform people who don't have guns

>>33320990
So if someone says "AKs are obsolete," anti-gun legislation will sweep the nation? I still don't understand this tangent you flew off on

>>33320977
>as an implement of defense or for predator hunting, the AK is inferior and markedly so

By what logic? Why do you think .223 is actually banned for anything other than varmints in numerous states?

>>33320629
so is 6mm creedmore

>>33321013
That's why I said 'indirectly'. Stem ignorance where you can

>>33320979
>FBI using a .30 caliber bullet and fucking Mini-14s
Are the Feds Fudds?

>>33321028
I think you're just mad that someone made fun of your favorite rifle. Try making sense next time you try to form an argument.

>>33321043
Close, they are just retarded...

>>33321043
>Fudds using Mini 14s

Fudds usually live in states where you can actually get ARs. The mini 14 is the Cuckifornia AR

>>33320829
No one calls it that because they're ignorant morons who don't know what caliber means. I see people use caliber and cartridge interchangeably, which is not really something you should do.

>>33321018
Why do you think pistol grips are banned in some states? Why do you think the nationwide AWB passed? Why do you think the ACA fined people too poor for health insuramce? Democrats don't live in the real world.

>>33320979
Get the meme out of my meme'n face, bitch. Fuck them for wasting money on that silly cartridge instead of going 7.62 real fucking NATO. Get out and take that silly memeout slut with you.

>>33321071
Dems aren't the ones who banned .223 for medium to large game. It was game officials who know it's not a large enough round to efficiently take down a large animal

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>>33321062
>fudds buying ARs

>>33321080
Why would they use 308 for a pdw?

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>>33321162
>not using a belt fed .308 for a PDW
Post vagina.

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>>33321194
What even was HK's deal during the Cold War? None of it makes any sense.

>>33321090
5.45 killed a bear.

What is too large for 5.56 in your mind?

>>33321263
That's a custom job. It's not an HK factory weapon.

>>33321263
kraut space magic

>>33321426
>it did that one thing that one time

You can technically kill anything with a 22lr with a miracle shot. I'm talking reliably

>>33321018
>>33321090
.223 is banned for medium game hunting in much of this country by laws that were written before .223 was invented, and that are intended to keep people from hunting with .22 Hornet.
>>33321063
> I'm going to sperg about common usages because I can't pick a hill to die on
Clips
Literally
Shit
Could care less

>>33321489
Ok, so, answer the question.

>>33321512
I would not feel confident carrying a .223 deer hunting

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>>33320979
.300 Blackout vs Mk262

>>33321489
64 grain Nosler Partitions will reliably kill white tail deer at any range .30 Russian Short will.

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>>33320570

>>33321529
Stats?

>>33321542
>Overpenetration is a good thing

>>33321439
That doesn't change the status of my erection

are there any good ak 22s? that would be a neat toy to have.

>>33321690
AK-74s are 5.45x39 which is basically .22 caliber

But yeah there are .22LR AKs

>>33321566
Retains 300 ft lbs to 400 yards, penetrates 32 inches of gelatin or 2 inches of pine at that range, drops 43 inches.
Hornady hunting 7.62x39 has a third more energy at that range, but penetrates only an inch and a half of pine, and has dropped 63 inches by comparison.

More importantly, being off by 10 yards of range estimation at 400 yards with the AR turns a heart shot into a low lung shot, but with the AK turns a heart shot into a clean miss.

Longest range I've killed a white tail at with an AR is 245 yards (6 point Minnesota buck, dressed weight 165 lbs), but that's the longest shot I've ever taken on a deer.

He didn't go 20 feet.

>>33321706
I know they exist but the question was of there are any GOOD ones. I'll report back what I find

>>33321542
>rounds not designed to penetrate didnt penetrate
truly shocking

>>33321566
>64 grain Nosler Partitions will reliably kill white tail deer at any range .30 Russian Short will.
I've shot whitetail with .223, 60gr Nosler Partitions, very effective with proper shot placement. I wouldn't recommend it to a novice, but it is definitely possible.

>>33321787
I never said it wasn't possible but I would rather make the same shot with my .300Win Mag

>>33321815
.300 win mag is excessive on a whitetail inside of 600 yards. It's not going to die any deader, and a gut shot is still going going to be a gut shot.

But if you hit a shoulder instead of writing off some of one and just a bit of your other roast, you're probably going to fuck them both completely up.

>>33321843
But it has a MUCH higher chance of killing it in the first place.

Given the ridiculous lack of drop, I don't really make such misses

>>33320704
.22 != .223

>>33321848
>But it has a MUCH higher chance of killing it in the first place.
It will make a marginal shot work faster (like say a shot to the buttock), but any hit with a .223 that won't kill also won't kill with a .300 win mag.

And since the heart is surrounded by air filled tissues, ie the lungs, it's not going to have any magic effect with a good hit, either.

Your trajectory is a bit flatter, but you pay for it with muzzle blast and recoil.

>>33321910
>but any hit with a .223 that won't kill also won't kill with a .300 win mag.

It's called physics. A 150 grain bullet transfers a shitton more energy than a 55-84 grain bullet

>>33321522
.223 is appropriate for white-tail and there are several white-tail game loadings for it.
.308 is overpowered for deer.

>>33321929
it doesnt actually take that much energy to kill a deer. .223 is plenty. although, i will admit that large rifle calibers are more forgiving toward what would otherwise be a near miss.

>>33321996
>.223 is appropriate for white-tail

But it's really not though. The mass just isn't there

>>33322041
>.223 is plenty

>It's good enough, as long as you laser it exactly in this 2" spot

Is not the same as

>It's a perfectly effective deer cartridge

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>>33320570
>making fun of ".22"
>what is 5.45x39

>>33320701
>tRASh-47
Nigga shut the fuck up

>>33322063
yes, if you want to effectively kill an animal, you should attempt to hit them directly in the heart/lungs every time. it is perfectly effective as long as youre a competent and humane hunter. if you arent, stick with your magnum rifle cartridge because losing both front shoulders is still better than wounding a deer youll never find.

>>33322048
Bullet mass doesn't kill, bullet mass penetrates. Cavitation of the central nervous and circulatory systems kills.

>>33322072
>what is 5.45x39

A cartridge that even the eastern bloc is moving away from

>>33322090
Even if you hit a deer directly in the heart with a .223 it's still going to have the energy to run several hundred yards. I've seen it happen with a .270

>>33322105
>Cavitation of the central nervous and circulatory systems kills.

And what causes that? And which causes more of it? A larger or smaller bullet?

>>33322113
>Even if you hit a deer directly in the heart with a .223 it's still going to have the energy to run several hundred yards. I've seen it happen with a .270
this can happen with any caliber. the reverse can also happen, where an animal drops dead from a heart shot with a low energy round like a .50 cal muzzleloader. as long as you destroy more than just one lung, the deer wont run far enough for even a beginner tracker to lose.

>>33322160
I've shot over 50 deer and I've never had a single one movie from where I shot them

>>33322113
>what causes that
Hydrostatic shock, mostly. Bullet size doesn't matter nearly as much as velocity when it comes to upsetting soft tissue, and raw energy means very little in terminal ballistics. Just look at 9mm vs .45 ACP vs .357 SIG. The former two produce nearly identical temporary cavitation while the latter produces huge temporary cavitation. Permanent cavitation only matters for bleeding out, which your game should NOT have to do. If you displace the heart that's the fucking end of that animal, even if the chunks squeeze back into roughly the same place afterwards.
>which causes more of it? A larger or smaller bullet?
The faster bullet.

>>33321522
Probably because you suck at shooting.

>>33322179
congratulations. luckily, the deer immediately dropping dead from hydro-static shock isnt required or expected of a humane kill.

>>33322184
>Bullet size doesn't matter nearly as much as velocity when it comes to upsetting soft tissue

>Overpenetration causes more damage than transferring 100% of the energy from a large piece of lead into the target

Lord, tell me people don't believe this

>9mm vs .45 ACP vs .357 SIG.

Only one of those is in the top 3 one shot stops for handguns. Hint, it's the .45

A .22lr is faster than a .45ACP. You wouldn't carry a .22 for PP

>>33322113
>A cartridge that even the eastern bloc is moving away from
Oh are they?

>>33322273
Yep

As already mentioned in this thread, Ukraine halted production of their M16 clones because they didn't want to use 5.45

>>33321929
Energy doesn't kill things, poking holes in them does.

.300 win mag pokes bigger holes, but not by enough to make shooting a deer above the spine, below the knee, or in the tail kill it.

How fat a deer runs after being shot is related to how much adrenalin is in it's system when you hit it, not how big of a hole you poke.
>>33322063
The vitals aren't any smaller when you use .223. If you missed the vitals by the radius of wound channel difference, then .300 would do something .223 wouldn't, But really only then.
>>33322048
The lighter bullet isn't as big of a deal as you think. It'll still break a rib and reach the heart well outside the ranges that most people should ethically consider taking the shot at.

>>33322482
>poking holes in them does

Poke a hole in something without energy

>How fat a deer runs after being shot is related to how much adrenalin is in it's system when you hit it, not how big of a hole you poke.

The heart has to be at least somewhat intact for a deer to run. A 300WM doesn't allow for this
>The vitals aren't any smaller when you use .223

But the impact to the vitals IS smaller

>The lighter bullet isn't as big of a deal as you think

It's still banned in many states for a reason, as with rimfires being banned in almost all states if not all of them for anything bigger than varmints

>>33322546
>The heart has to be at least somewhat intact for a deer to run. A 300WM doesn't allow for this
No.

Unless it runs far enough to deplete all of the ADP in it's neurons, it doesn't need a heart to run off and die in a thicket, and since the lungs are filled with air, instead if liquid, they won't transfer temporary cavitation damage to the heart anyways, so it's totally possible to double lung a deer with a .300 win mag and have it run off to die where you don't have access or can't find it.

>It's still banned in many states for a reason, as with rimfires being banned in almost all states if not all of them for anything bigger than varmints
Most states have dumb fucking hunting regs. They aren't made for any particular reason apart from a bunch of old fudds getting together and deciding what they hate.

>>33320702
>Cartridge length is like dick length

t. Feinstein