Gun Iliterate Attic Find Chapter II

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Here is the barrel that was under the wood. My guess is that the wood absorbed the humidity and expanded since the ring was a bitch to remove

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Disassembling it and seeing all this rust makes me more scared since I really don't want to fuck this up.
>>33317538
Yup. Just a regular "permis de tir de loisir" => a permit for recreational shooting if i translated it correctly

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This scares me the fucking most. I put some Armistol on the screws and am letting them soak during the night to try to loosen them up. But damn they really look stuck.
I couldn't find any ballistol but the gunsmith I went to see in Caen said he used Armistol for his weapons.

BTW seeing Caen made me pretty sad. You Americans BOMBED THE FUCK out of it that almost no pre-war buildings are left

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>>33317642
The same can be said about a lot of Norman villages and communes. The allies probably did more damage than the Nazis did, but alas if they hadn't we would be German rapebabies now

Yea soak it in penetrating oil and leave overnight. Hopefully that loosens it up. Don't be scared, it's all surface rust and it actually protected the rest of the metal by oxidizing. It will all come off by gently rubbing it with a fine steel wool and oil

>>33317792
Also, post more closeups disassemble the bolt etc. you might have to setup an electrolysis tank to remove rust from hard to reach spots like inside the bolt. Wouldn't be a bad idea to replace the firing pin and all springs. It's super easy to work on mausers so don't worry. If you can't source the parts we can ship it you, they're dirt cheap

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I couldn't disassemble the bolt since the safety couldn't be moved (apparently it needs to be on the safe/vertical position to be disassembled). I realised that the bolt couldn't be fully lowered after pulling it back to cock it, so I'm assuming that rust inside of the chamber or somewhere else is preventing it from doing so. So I'm waiting until I can clean the inside of the chamber to take the bolt apart.
>>33317792
Thanks man that kind of took some pressure off me

>>33317642
Those screws look great, they are not mangled. You're probably the first one to ever take it apart

>>33317814
No worries, this will explain it the best
https://youtu.be/CRL-RmoGdwM

>>33317642
We gave you a blank canvas and freedom. Or would you rather be choking on some SS cock right now?

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Here's the magazine.
>>33317850
See >>33317679

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>>33317679
Yeah, when I visited Germany the scale of destruction was really horrifying. I was in Stuttgart and a family friend pointed out a humongous hill/almost mountain and said "That's Stuttgart." Meaning, the "mountain" was the rubble from the city that had been bombed to smithereens. As triggering as all that is, modernity and the desire for disgusting meme architecture would have ruined lots of those buildings even if they hadn't been bombed. Please enjoy this cartoon in return for sharing your rifles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VFs97rMw_U
t. Historyfag Burgeranon.

>>33317870
>>33317814
>>33317679
>>33317642
>>33317563
>>33317536
>>33317516
Wow this thing is starting to look like it may actually have some life in it.

God speed OP, these rifles have an incredible history to them and I'm glad you found them over someone else who would've more than likely destroyed them.

>>33317679
would you rather be german rapebabies now or muslim rapebabies in 25 years?

>>33317536
That's pretty gnarly. The wood actually protects the metal usually, it just when it gets that fucked up that's what happens.
>>33317642
You're making sure to turn the safety screws first, right?

my suggestion is soak everything metal in a tub of vinegar, it will take almost all the rust off. wire brushing in the vinegar will take it down to the white almost

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>>33317946
>You're making sure to turn the safety screws first, right?
I wondered this too.

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I couldn't seem to get the pin for the bayonet lug out. I tried hammering a small screwdriver on it (with a rag in between so as not to damage the metal) So i just sprayed some Armistol on it hoping that in the morning it will be loosened up a bit.
>>33317940
In 2017, what's the difference between the two?
>>33317946
>>33317969
Yup. I tried to turn them very carefully but since they wouldn't budge I left them alone. Just sprayed them with Armistol,

>>33317991
Most of the time I'd just tell you to stop when things are pinned in place like that. You need an actual punch and hammer for that. Sometimes pins are tapered so they have to be pushed out to one side, it's probably not the case here though and the little searching online didn't show up anything like that. It's going to be pretty rusted in place so a lot of penetrating oil, praying and time is needed for it to come lose.

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>>33317991
>I couldn't seem to get the pin for the bayonet lug out.
Do you need to remove it? Is it 100% necessary to?
>In 2017, what's the difference between the two?
Well, the former would have made you a vassal state but at least tried to preserve your rightwing history, the latter will just outbreed, convert and erase you. Call me a /pol/tard but I'd rather live in Vichy Paris than modern Paris

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In this jar I put every metal bits I could take apart and sprayed them with Armistol to soak overnight. Both barrel bands, the magazine parts and the metal bit that acts like a spring to hold the front barrel band. I already tried rubbing the parts with 000 steel wool (I couldn't find 0000 that you guys recommended in the last thread) but the rust was pretty developed.
>>33318096
>Do you need to remove it?
I've been told by the gunsmith in Caen (he's the only one left by the way, all the others either died or had to close down) that if I want to cover the wood in linseed oil I should remove all metal parts. So I guess it is necessary.

>Well, the former would have made you a vassal state but at least tried to preserve your rightwing history, the latter will just outbreed, convert and erase you. Call me a /pol/tard but I'd rather live in Vichy Paris than modern Paris

I tried making a joke about how germans were basically muslims but I guess I messed that up.

>>33318175
Quick question, what is the gun-enthusiast scene even like in France? Like where can you shoot? You mentioned a gunsmith/armorer earlier? Handguns?

>>33318096
Paris wasn't apart of Vichy, hence the name Vichy after the city the government was in. I digress a bit from the topic, but I actually liked the Vichy government. Kept the Germans from having more modern French equipment and ships. Just think of the war with the Kriegsmarine or Regia Marina actually having more than a fleet in being.

>>33318175
You don't need to cover the wood in linseed oil. The stock oil is only there to keep moisture out. It may make the stock look a little bit better though. From your pics from your last thread the other two guns had better looking stocks.

Also, you don't want to mess around with linseed oil unless you're careful. Rags coated in it are known to self combust. Don't just chunk them into the trash can and leave.

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>>33318200
>Quick question, what is the gun-enthusiast scene even like in France? Like where can you shoot?
In the last thread I mentioned that I was a gun illiterate. I have almost no experience with firearms (I shot a 1911 at a range once) so I don't know very much. All I know is that there are gun ranges, but as far as gun enthusiasts go I think hunters are the most active in the gun scene. I spoke to the gunsmith I visited today and he said that since he is the only one left in the city he figures that the amount of gun enthusiasts are dropping. The average age of one is pretty old (mainly old farmers and hunters since young people aren't really interested in firearms)
>You mentioned a gunsmith/armorer earlier? Handguns?
Shotguns and hunting rifles are more common. In the gunsmith's shop I didn't see anything other than shotguns and rifles (I think I saw a couple of revolvers tho). I think that handguns such as glocks or M9s are pretty restricted (again I am a gun iliterate, if a frenchfag can fill people in that would be great)

>>33318360
Tbh, gunsmiths are dropping off all over the world. That doesn't have to do with as much as the number of gun owners, as much as the guns people own now.

>>33317814
get one of those plastic kiddie pools in a month or two, electrolyze and refinish

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>>33318255
Vichy was a necessary evil. The were collaborating cocksuckers who assisted in the genocide and were against the resistance. But like you said, they did some good things to help the French (or at least prevented things from getting worse)

What do you guys recommend to clean the wood? There are little tiny spatters of white paint on it and some scratches (not too deep nor too long)

Thanks for all the tips guys but it's 00:30 here in Franceistan. I'm going to sleep, the first thing i'm doing in the morning is posting a picture of the rifles with a timestamp, if the thread lasts long enough (in the last thread some retard was claiming to be the OP during my slumber and was saying that he snapped the barrel of the mauser since it was a nazi gun). Next post from me will be the three rifles with a timestamp.

>>33318504
>What do you guys recommend to clean the wood? There are little tiny spatters of white paint on it and some scratches (not too deep nor too long)
At the most I would do is to just wash it with water or soapy water.

>>33318504
>>33318550

Honestly, you might not want to do anything with the stock, other than wipe it down with a good wool rag. The wood itself should be perfectly fine.

How does the stock feel to the touch? Does it still have the feel of a shellac or a coating on it? Does it feel soft like its been in high humidity? Is it rough and wood-like?

>>33317516
Hey OP, you're not going to go full yurofag and tell anyone you own this rifle, are you? That would be a mistake.

>>33318673
None of the three guns he had ever had a shellac finish.

>>33318712
Classy homophobic slur. To answer your question though, yes I am turning this gun over to a museum once I finish with it. It is illegal to own an unregistered gun, and I don't want a functional instrument of war in my home. It's better for history to remain history, and that's what it will be in a museum.

Also I don't even want to begin considering the racial overtones that owning a weapon would entail in my country. We have a large refugee population in France.

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>>33318777

>>33318777
Checked and kek'd

>>33318777

2/10 nice but not subtle

>>33317538
How are the new EU gun laws going to affect France?

>>33318777
nice try, OP already said he went to sleep.

>>33317516
Quality thread here.

>>33317642
Yeah, we kinda didn't have JDAMS back then.

>>33318777

>>33318504

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>>33318952
>>33319061
Actually, I'm still half here. I'm finishing up one more episode of True Blood before I go to sleep. I'm still lurking for the next 15 or so minutes.

Sorry if I came across as a cunt, but I don't react kindly to slurs. I'm not usually like that, and I'll take plenty more pictures for /k/ before I make the donation.

Keep the threads coming baguettebro. Nice to see you're making some progress.

>>33319266
Why would I need a license? I'm making the museum donation since everyone wins that way. I get to enjoy the process of restoring this rifle while not becoming a dangerous criminal, and everyone else gets to enjoy the history after the museum authorities have properly disabled the firing mechanism.

I don't know why you expected otherwise.

>>33319194
>Next post from me will be the three rifles with a timestamp.

change the filename next time.

>>33319356
Why not keep them yourself and shoot them? If they were on your property isn't there a chance they're something your family used back in the war?

I don't know what the laws are for guns you found on your property after 70+ years but surely they aren't so corrupt as to make you a criminal if you went in to get your license and said "hey I found these and would like to be able to use them".

If they're still fireable that is. Otherwise they'd make interesting wall hangers at least, and keep that kind of thing as an heirloom for the family.

The museum may not even put them up. They could end up sitting in a locker for years without ever being used.

Very cool pieces of history, you have there, OP. Are you going to refinish the wood too, or leave it as it is? I'm gonna be back to this thread in a bit cause you're motivating me to go clean the cosmoline off of the stock from my beretta m38a parts kit. I've been procrastinating that for a while now. I've just about got all the parts clean.

>>33317895
That's a very interesting poster.

Clearly they had no concept of what any of those groups represented.

>>33319478
>cool pieces of history
>refinish

And Jesus Christ /k/ is so fucking easy to troll.

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>>33318255
>Paris wasn't apart of Vichy, hence the name Vichy after the city the government was in.
Ah, thanks anon, appreciated, it's been a minute since I read up on France in WW2. If you're interested in French politics, pic related is really good, covers the interwar period very well. Good advice on the stock/linseed oil and nice dubs as well.

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>>33319546
>Clearly they had no concept of what any of those groups represented.
No, they totally did, they were saying that the USA was a mongrel monster full of opposing and antagonistic alien cultural forces that was destroying the mono-cultural European countries it was "liberating". A Frankenstein's monster, un-natural and horrifying to rightwing European patriots. I think it's pretty spot on desu senpai.

>>33317563
What's in the barrel?

>>33317516
op don't get caught with those. we don't want to see them destroyed to make sjws feel safe

Keeping it alive.

>>33320487
>>33319546
I'm pretty sure they were trying to express the hypocrisy and degeneracy of the US.

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Morning everyone.
>>33322270
>>33323016
Thanks guys.

>>33320530
It's empty. Just covered in a layer of rust

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>>33319478
for the wood I just want to clean it since there are little splatter of white paint. And also cover it in linseed oil to preserve it better (covering it in linseed oil isn't considered a refinishing or is it?)

Now I'll just start with scrubbing off the rust from these parts and try to remove the rusted screws I posted yesterday

What are the pros and cons of dippin the matal parts in either vinegar or an electrolysis tank? I'm asking because I don't have the material to build the electrolysis tank.

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Fuck guys. I've been scrubbing the paets for the past 45 mins and I seem to be removing the black coating to reveal the grey steel underneath. I'm pretty hesitant to continue and am thinking of dipping them in vinegar

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I got to take separate the bolt but I can't do much else since the cocking mechanism doesn't rotate due to the rust

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Update on the screws. Still rusted shut. The safety screw looks welded to the metal from the rust even after spending the night soaking in armistol

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>>33323824
Here's a closeup

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>>33323828
Screws on the rear of the trigger guard

>>33317895
>a weapon to surpass metal gear

one word OP:

Evaporust

find it, buy it, use it

>>33323832
>>33323824

doesnt look that bad i still see bluing but its essential you have a properly sized screwdriver that fits as snugly as possible on the full width as well as matching its depth profile

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Here's the outside of the bolt. Doesn't look too bad but the inside is covered in a (what looks like a thin) layer of rust

>>33323847
I thought that the Germans didn't use any bluing on their rifles during WWII?

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>>33318673
It feels rough and wood-like. Here's a closeup if that helps in any way.

>>33323705
Phosporic acid is better for removing rust. Concentration should be around 30%, you can still buy it in good drug stores, at least here in czech republic.

The rust really is a bitch to remove. When (if it's possible) I fully disassemble the rifle I'm thinking of dipping the metal parts in either vinegar or an electrolysis tank.
From my google searching i found out that vinegar contains some kind of acid that can remove the bluing from the rifle but since there is a lot of rust would that matter? I mean if I continued to scrub the parts with oil and steel wool (or make an electrolysis tank) would that also remove the bluing? I'm afraid that I already started taking some off >>33323705
I guess if it gets taken off it wouldn't be a big problem since the rifle can't be in a worse condition than it was when I found it. And anyway I can reblue it afterwards if it would be better for the rifle
Also >>33323870

>>33323870
Huh did OP ever show off the serial? it might be an early production

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>>33324066
Here you go. Manufactured in 1944 at Waffen-Werke Brünn AG
The serial number is 8277 and the marking is dou

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>>33324073
>>33324066
I took both of these pictures before cleaning. They're from the last thread

>>33324083
Ah with a little searching around it seems some 44-45 rifles did have bluing mostly because of the slap dash production toward the end of the war

>>33318360
Everyone is buying from he internet, in big cities shooting clubs are overfilled, we have to refuse people every year. Most new guys just want a license to be able to buy a glock and some ammo, they don't even bother to come shooting.

>>33324095
Is there a way to tell if a metal has been blued? Is it the dark coating covering the grey steel or is that something else? Because if there is no bluing I'll just throw them in vinegar to remove the rust. If there is bluing I'll try finding a way to remove the rust without damaging it too much.
Fuck I just realised that all I've been doing was asking questions since I'm nervous as fuck about removing the rust

>>33324116
It looks blued. but this point its so covered in rust your going to have to reblue it anyway

>>33323824
From my experience as an airplane mechanic and rebuilding rusty old shit Japanese cars, the best way to remove a stuck screw is by using some sort of impact.
Back the gun up against something solid that won't absorb impact. Place the screw driver bit into the head. Get a good hammer and tap hard on the back of the screw driver like a chisel. Do this and then do it while trying to loosen the screw at the same time. The impacts can break the bond of the rust.

The professional tool for this is called a lester tool with a rivet gun.

We use Kano kroil as a penetration oil and I've never seen anything work better.

Good luck

>>33324162
Tanks for the tip man but from my inexperience I'm afraid to do some damage. I'll try to do it carefully, or I'll ask my engineer uncle to help me out

Wait, so I lost track, is OP going to be a faggot nigger and give these guns to a museum, or no?

>>33324260
No. The following are bait.
>>33319356
>>33319194
>>33318777
I said that I would go to sleep and post a timestamp in the morning so any post in between >>33318504 and >>33323511 claiming to be OP is bait

Hey OP, hungolian firearm restaurator here. If you are still here, I'd like to give you some tips: try to separate the wood from the metal parts. Keep the wooden parts in a room temperature, less than 20 percent humidity place (optionally around 10 percent) After you have the metal parts, don't disassemble them yet. Use a penetrator oil bath, for around 2-3 days. After that clean it dry with some clean fabric. Depending on what condition is it restorable to, and what materials you have available, you can either start to remove rust. Having a dremel tool with a steel brush head or a grinder with a steel brush helps to cut down rust removal time a lot.
Pt. 1

>>33324028
Sometimes electrolysis does remove bluing, sometimes it doesn't. Just depends. Bluing itself is a form of rust.
>>33324526
>Having a dremel tool with a steel brush head or a grinder with a steel brush helps to cut down rust removal time a lot.
We're trying to remove the rust, not the finish. Other than the K98k the finish on the guns aren't too terribly bad.

>>33324526
If the rust is too deep (meaning that removing it would either make functional problems in the gun, or just deeper than 1mm, I'd approach in a real careful way)
After removing all or most possible rust, use a degreasing chemical bath or just surface appliance (MEK works wonders) to get rid of all the grease. After this you should apply a surface treatment chemical. If pure KNO3 is freely available in France, buy enough of it to make a salt bath (further explained in the video). https://youtu.be/5_IeMl6R8fc
If not available, you will have to go in the expensive way, and use cold-bluing solution.
Pt. 2

>>33324587
>If not available, you will have to go in the expensive way, and use cold-bluing solution.
Colt bluing isn't even bluing or protect the metal. It's just basically coloring.

>>33324578
Ah ok, this way electrolysis is your answer indeed.

Cont:
For the wood part: be extremely careful with cracks. I would be if it is a cellar-gun (low humidity and high temperatures dries the wood out)
If you want to have them as close to the original condition as possible, simply try to clean them up with a low-pressure compressor/airbrush and apply several layers of linseed oil , or if the wood is really faded out, apply a single layer of base colour.

Those are really nice finds anon!

>>33324607
If applied correctly it can give a really thin protective layer. Not really for functional purposes, but good for decorative guns. I'd expect that you will not shoot these guns. Of course a bore inpection could reveal if it's ok to shoot or not, but it's your choice.

>>33324437
Not yet. Being a student I don't have enough money to pay the gun permit so I'm saving up until I can to be able to declare them. It's like a 100~200€ per year fee just to have the permit

>>33324611
Thanks for the help man. BTW Hungolia, that's Hungary right?

>>33324611
*attic instead of cellar, lol

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>>33324634
Yes, Hungary. I used to work for the Military Technology Museum of Hungary as a firearm restaurator for a short time.

>>33324611
>I would be if it is a cellar-gun (low humidity and high temperatures dries the wood out)
With the amount of rust and the rot on the MAS-36 butt I would say these were in high humidity areas.

>>33324630
Yeah, but for decorative guns he can leave it with the original finish and actually have more protection. There actually is a good bit of the finish remaining.

OP for the white paint you can just try popping the paint off with your fingernail. Tbh, I have guns that have paint on them and I just left it, of course they have that battleship grey paint like they got paint on them on the troopship home...

OP, mind if I post a couple of your pics on the French firearms section of gunboards? I regularly post there and this is bretty gud.

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>>33324662
Wow, must have been a really interesting job! Since restoration was your job what is your opinion of me putting the metal bits in a vinegar bath? The only penetrating oils I have are WD40 (which people have told me that it is bad for firearms and should only be used as a last resort) and 3-in-1 (but for windows, I think it has silicone in it). And they are in spray cans so I can't really make a bath to cover them even if they were the correct oils.

>>33324739
Go ahead man, it's the internet. Everything posted is basically public domain

>>33323557
I wouldn't think that'd be considered refinishing. Just regular cleaning and maintenance to oil your wood.

How'd the rust removal go? A lite oiling on all metal parts (not the threads of the screws, though) is a nice layer of protection when you are done.

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>>33324799
Depends on which 3-1 it is. I wouldn't use it if it's the silicone one (wouldn't harm it, but that's not a penetrating oil), but if it says it's a penetrating oil I'd use it first over WD-40. You may try spraying both on different screws and seeing which one works the best.
No idea about vinegar. Never tried it, I've always just used good oils and elbow grease.
>>33323557
>>33324822
Normally I would say that adding new linseed oil to a stock IS refinishing, as linseed oil when it ages oxidizes some and turns the stock a reddish color (pic related, my Mle 1936's stock), but for this it may make the stock look a little better.

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>>33324822
I tried scrubbing off the rust on the parts I could take apart (for now just the magazine and both barrel bands) but there still is a layer of rust on them. This is the part I spent most time on and as you can see it is still covered, although it does look better than before

>>33324662
Mind if I ask what that thing is? A mortar that went boom?

Anyway, godspeed to you OP for actually putting in the effort; most people wouldn't.
I wish I had a gun I could restore like that.

>>33325054
Time is your friend, m8. Leave it soaking for several days, hell even weeks and it'll loosen up easier. For really caked on rust like that you can use a copper coin. Just oil, scrub a little with the coin, wipe off the rusted oil, reoil and repeat.

Have you gotten a bore brush for the barrels yet?

>>33325142
Fuck I new I forgot something when I when to the gunsmith. Anyway it doesnt matter since I'm guessing that I'll be able to separate the barrel from the stock in a couple of days, so I'll have time to go and find one. They're pretty cheap right?(under $15 I think, since it's just a plastic rod with brass/copper wires spiraling around)

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I found this in the garage, apparently "dégrippant" in french is also "penetrating oil", although I'm not sure. I'm going to hold off on using this until some anon recognises the brand and can confirm if it is safe for use on the rifle.

>>33325203
Yeah, they're fairly cheap. This place has $15 for a dozen of them. I don't think you need that many, but you do need an 8mm and a 7.62 brushes and at least a couple of each knowing how nasty they all are. The French ones have a 7.62 barrel (it's called 7.5 because fuck you that's why!) and the German one has an 8mm one.
I'm also not saying you need to buy them from this place, just giving you an idea of what you need.

You also will need a rod to put them on. You're lucky they aren't the 800mm barrels like they used on the older Lebel and Berthier rifles.

http://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/brushes-amp-bore-snakes/bore-brushes/standard-line-bronze-bore-brushes-prod1277.aspx

>>33325268
>The French ones have a 7.62 barrel (it's called 7.5 because fuck you that's why!)

wait what? is this true?

>>33325266
I think it's just as good as the others you have, but I wouldn't use any sort of spray until you get the stock off so the stock doesn't get sprayed with it too.
>>33325292
Yes. The names of many calibers are confusing. Such as .38 Special and .357 magnum have the same barrel diameters (.357 inches) and the latter cartridge is based on the former's.

>>33325292
No, it's not

>>33325351
Well, the thing is I need to spray the oil right next to the wood to be able to remove these screws >>33323828 >>33323832

>>33325383
Actually, I checked for myself again and have to correct myself,
>>33325351 is correct

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This is a glorious thread, thanks for sharing it with us OP

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>>33325450
I should thank you guys for helping me out, seriously. Without this thread I would probably have ruined this gun by spraying WD40 everywhere before disassembling it.

>>33325404
You can use it, just try not to get it on the stock and if you do wipe it off quickly. You can just cover the stock with a rag or something.

Posting in epic bread, don't mind me lads.

>>33325109
Yep, a ww1 austro-hungarian mortar

Don't do anything to the stock unless you have to fix a Crack pls OP in begging you.

>>33325978
How do you recommend I fix a crack?

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>>33326271
Here are some pictures of them

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>>33326438
With the bolt handle for size reference

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>>33326453

>>33326271
Honestly, if you don't plan on shooting it, I'd just leave the stock as is. If you decide to fix it and go the resin route, make sure you get it as far in there as you can and use it sparingly. It tends to expand more than you'd expect. Fantastic thread by the way, really neat.

>>33326271
>>33326438
You aren't going to be shooting it, so don't worry about it. That looks more like a split between the lamination than a crack. Probably from high humidity where it was left.

>>33325404
If you really cant remove the screws you can use whats called a hand impact driver, it usually wont mangle screws and takes a few minutes of hitting but wont strip threads like air tools would

OP here. I've been thinking and I've decided that to remove the rust from the metal with an electrolysis tank (of course when I can fully take the rifle apart) rather than vinegar, because why the hell not. I'll not only put the barrel in it but all of the metal parts.
The thing is that from what I've been reading from my google searching, leaving the metal in the tank for to long can not only take the rust off but also some of the steel. How do I know when I should take them out?

>>33328094
It's not hard. Just let them sit, watch the magic work, then take them out in a while and inspect

bump 2 keep this alive

>>33330176

Is Grandpa still alive to tell you how he got the rifles?

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>>33334220
Too lazy too type it all again

>>33317516
Keep us updated you French cock sucker. I don't give a shit about your daily responsibilities, you better bump the shit out of this thread with new and informative pictures

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>>33334818
Well I can't really do shit other than wait for the penetrating oil to do its magic on the screws. It's been 3 days since I first started spraying them with oil but they still won't budge. That's why there's been no updates because all I need to do is wait.

>>33328094
Also I changed my mind about about the electrolysis tank. I'll dip the parts in vinegar since there's less of a chance of me fucking up. I might dip the parts I already took apart (magazine, bolt and both barrel bands)
I'm hoping that after their bath the cocking mechanism on the bolt can be moved since it can't be rotated yet.

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I've also been trying to scrub the rust off the parts after they have been sitting in penetrating oil for almost a full 24h. But no luck. That's why I'm thinking of dipping them in vinegar without the other parts (since I can't disassemble them yet)

>>33323511

Im hoping you know that attic has woodworm or termittes.

>>33334999
Heyo from a french fag,

I also just got my hand on a bunch of old atic rifles, with a pretty beat up 1912 danzig G98 in poor shape (not as bas as your though).
The old owner of this gun has painted him the absolute bastard. But i just found a really good way to remove rust way better than vinegar : oxalique acid, it's really cheap and a good bath in this shit really clean it well, just need to scrub it after and pronto you have a shining barrel !

>>33334992
Fuck it I'm doing the vinegar bath now.

>>33335016
Termites, the worst part is that the stock of the MAS 36 was in almost perfect condition when my dad found it (according to him) and it got fucked afterwards.

>>33335033
Sounds good!
Ça s'achète où l'acide oxalique? Ça peut paraître con comme question mais je suis arrivé en France l'année dernière (c'est la première fois que je vie ici malgré le fait que je soie Français car je suis né et vécu à l'étranger toute ma vie). Quand je le trouvera je l'utiliserai pour le canon

>>33317969
Shoot... shoot him in the back

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>>33335163
Looking good for now. I dipped them at noon so I'll take them out tomorrow at the same hour.

Looking forward to vinegar results, with interest.

I did the electrolysis bath thing once. Bath, that powder, 12 volt power, rebar for the electrons to move over and change the rust back to steel. It worked, in that the metal moved over. It sucked, in that the metal parts ended up looking like they had been dipped in wet sandy concrete. As far as I can tell I ruined what was left of the parts.

>>33335410
Could it be that the metal was left too long in the tank?

>>33335534

Absolutely possible. I had no prior experience with this, and probably did many mistakes. Also, the water turns to brown soup after a while. Hard to see the state of the parts. But my primary mistake was to test this shit on actual gun parts. In my defense they were ground finds, and looking pretty chewed up from the start.

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Covered in bubbles. I'm so impatient I keep going to the garage to take a look at them every hour or so.

>>33335594
Vinegar can work faster than you'd think. Probably best to keep checking on them. I wouldn't necessarily leave the parts in overnight without checking on them periodically.

Also once you've finished with the vinegar you should make sure and thoroughly neutralize it by rinsing the parts several times then blowing off the water. Alternatively you could dip them in acetone or alcohol to displace the water the blow them off.

Periodically I do home parkerizing on some of my gunsmith projects, and when I pull them out of the park tank I'll usually dunk them in a plastic tub with some kind of mwtal degrease with surface protectants (water based stuff, but it does a good job of stopping the acids). Then spray them down with wd40 to displace the water. Something similar may work for you as well.

>>33335789
Metal degreaser is what I meant to type.

>>33335789
Thanks man, finally some tips for vinegar. Setting your post as my phone wallpaper so as to not forget to rinse and blow off the water (would be stupid to remove the rust to then produce a new layer)

>>33335809

Once a long time ago I had some fishing lures whose steel parts had gotten rusty. I dropped them in a glass of vinegar and promptly forgot about them. Time passed. Lots of it. The next time I looked into the glass, there was still vinegar and the brass dishes. All the other metal had dissolved.

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>>33335809
Glad to help, I almost ruined a really nice aks74u kit once because of not blowing off the water. Happily it was ok.

>>33335594
>>33335215
>>33334999
Vinegar can and does remove bluing too!

>>33335911
See >>33324135 and the pictures. The metal is pretty fucked anyway so remove the bluing isn't that big of a deal since it's been ruined by rust. I mean look at this
>>33317536
>>33317563
>>33317642
>>33317679

>>33335956
Having to refinish it will cost him a ton of money and it's unnecessary. Most of the finish on the guns are actually in pretty good shape all things considered. It won't be pretty either way, but it will at least look the part with the original finish intact.

>>33335163

L'acide oxalique ce trouve dans les magasins de bricolage/outdoor. C'est vendu pour "dégriser" les terrasse en bois.

>>33338420
Must be pretty common in the countryside, but in villages close to towns and cities it gets pretty rare because of "muh killing machines"

>>33335163
hey op, you might wanna see if someone will internationally ship a new buttstock for that MAS 36

here are some for sale online if anyone wants to help him out

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=596&idcategory=66

>>33342223
He's not going to be shooting it, so stop trying to get him to replace parts.