Why was this such a strong, THICC and powerful land army?

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yeah that shit died.
hopefully it stays dead

>mfw you have to pay trolls on the internet

>Strong, THICC, and powerful
>Ass kicked by 7th century turbaned peasants carrying homemade counterfeit Enfields.

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>>33312442
Why are you happy for the passing of such a glorious mechanized force?

>>33312445
>kebabs cheat at war

What's new man

>>33312445
Is this vietnam war?

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How can amurifatia compete?
https://youtu.be/6-kV7MDhNgE

>>33312462
>Why are you happy for the passing of such a glorious mechanized force?
Same reason most are happy about the fall of the 3rd Reich: Soviet Union was a fucking dangerous hell hole, sugarcoated by the propaganda.

>>33312430
I would have liked to see the US response to Russian tank forces in 1982 in an open battlefield. In a designated combat arena of course, if the MAD factor could take a seat for a six month period just to see how each side would pan out would've been cool.

>>33312803
Me too, from what I understand the Soviets had a massive advantage when it came to ATGM systems and ground based SAM and AAA systems.

The T80Us are fucking scary fampai

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>>33312430
*Blocks your path*

>>33312882
BRRAAAAAP

>>33312803
>open battlefield
US air power says hello

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>>33312898

>>33312899
>what are the S300, BUK and the VVS

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>>33312899
>US air power says hello
Exactly that. A-10s, AH-64s, F-16 JDAMs, the whole nine yards. Soviet tanks are dead. Let the F-15's stick around to shoot down the Sukhoi shitbirds for shits and giggles.

>>33312919
>what are the S300, BUK and the VVS
....something that has never effectively stopped a coordinated air campaign (AA systems) and an air force that was technologically decades behind in some respects

>>33312445
>Taliban/Al Qaeda already controls most of Afghanistan again
>UNITED STATES VICTORY GUYS!

>>33312932
>Soviet Union
>jdams
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>>33312941
>....something that has never effectively stopped a coordinated air campaign
What air campaigns are you talking about, pardon me?

>>33312941


>>....something that has never effectively stopped a coordinated air campaign (AA systems) and an air force that was technologically decades behind in some respects

lol, ask the Israelis how they liked Soviet triple a and SAM manned by incompetent Arabs. Now take that and integrate it into an AAD network and proper trained personnel

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-SAM-Effectiveness.html#mozTocId466662

You are a big dum dum

>A single SA-3 battery, commanded by then LtCol Zoltan Dani, downed an F-117A and an F-16C, and damaged another F-117A. Prior to the conflict, Dani worked his crew for weeks in the simulator, driving up proficiency and crew teamwork. During the conflict, he relocated his battery as frequently as possible, and exercised strict emission control. His battery survived and inflicted the single most embarrassing combat loss the US has suffered for decades

American air ""control"" is the biggest meme of the Cold War, Soviet integrated SAM and AAA networks would have chewed through the USAF if it tried to do extensive CAS

All wars Israel has fought, both Iraq wars, NATO intervention in the Balkans, Vietnam, Korea, WW2, Iran-Iraq war, various African bush wars.

>>33312959
I'm sure they didn't like it at first, but eventually they changed tactics and smashed the AA umbrella in all neighboring countries. Doubly so in the 82 war, where the Syrians lost dozens of SAM batteries and over a hundred aircraft for no Isreali losses.

Also, one shoot down of a plane that flew thousands of missions in a nearly 30 years life span (in the most heavily guarded ares no less) doesn't mean for hit here. Especially if the guy who commanded basically said "we got lucky" years later in an interview. Russia AA systems would have been worked over by more numerous and advanced NATO aircraft (that's after NATO BTFO the Warsaw Pact air forces forces)

>>33312959
Doubly so x2 in the First Gulf War, where the Iraqis had what was considered by many to be the most advanced A2A system outside of Europe and it lasted all of 10 hours. It was manned by Soviet trained men fighting with Soviet equipment. Considering the fact the the Iraqi A2A command and control was literally identical to the Soviet one, I don't hold out much hope for them in WW3.

>>33312462
You can't cheat at war. If it works, it works.

>>33312645
15 seconds before a blyet

>>33313013
>sharting this much
BRRRAAAAPPPP

>implying the Soviet military was capable
>implying they weren't a complete joke
>implying the US would have ever taken them seriously had they not had nukes
>implying Slavs know how to wage war

>>33312941
>"Forgets vietnam internally"

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>Muh based commies

>>33314411
I didn't forget Vietnam, by the time we pulled out the US had complete superiority over the entire AO that's including every piece of airspace expect over the airfields in Hanoi itself. Look at the Rolling thunder and linebacker operations.....

>>33314411
We would have won Vietnam if it wasn't such a fucking PR nightmare back home
Read Matterhorn, after the initial push, US forces were stuck abandoning and recapturing hills for the rest of the war, until we were forced to pull out, at which point we cut all funding for the PAVN because Washington.
Seriously if the military had control instead of Kennedy and Nixon, Vietnam would have been won

>>33312948
Let's see...
>Linebacker II
>entire Gulf War
>Syria
Ho Chi Minh and Saddam had the first and second largest air defense systems to have EVER existed, Hanoi's was very modern (current production pretty much everything), and they still got steamrolled.

>>33312430
Why are there so many slavaboo shills on /k/?

At least the Wehrmacht had a nice aesthetic. Soviets and modern Ruskies have a shit aesthetic backed up by shit equipment and training.

>>33314494
>would have won
We did. The North surrendered and signed a peace accord.

And then reengaged a week later after we left with their last two companies of infantry and four tanks. The ARVN was just that bad.

>>33314536
Don't forget corrupt leadership.

>>33314448

Well The Soviets were trying to control the country but they could have easily just committed genocide and kill all those illiterate fucks with everything.

>>33312959
>F-117 meme
I bet you think stealth aircraft are meant to be invisible too.

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>>33312430
No.
>>33312442
Butthurt belt: the post.
>>33312445
USA wins Saigon under communist control, best evacuation since Alamo.jpg
>>33312756
>fucking dangerous hell hole, sugarcoated by the propaganda
Sounds like modern US.
>>33312882
Good luck, I'm behind seven Shilkas.jpg
>>33312899
Soviet Air Force says get the fuck out of this continent.
>>33312941
More like something that slaughtered IAF by simply selling a bunch of unwashed arabs short to mid range 2K12 Kub sustems.
>>33313002
>Doubly so in the 82 war, where the Syrians lost dozens of SAM batteries and over a hundred aircraft for no Isreali losses.
You mean that time when someone, let's not point fingers, sold yids 4th gen aircraft while arabs still had old SAMs.
>>33313013
>the First Gulf War, where the Iraqis had what was considered by many to be the most advanced A2A system outside of Europe
That eternal damage control word play. Rusted 50s scrap metal operated by Arabs is still nothing but rusted 50s scrap metal regardless of the shitholes surrounding you. Iraqi "IADS" were nothing but medium range stationary SA-3 batteries with shit radars. Meanwhile USSR operated S-200, various S-300 variants, Tor, Buk, etc. and had actual working communication and ECM network.
>>33314405
>Implying US anti-towelhead "military" would get anything but crubstopmed on in the case NATO decides to get silly around Europe
Enjoy a tank track over your face.

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>>33314760
One potato has been deposited into your vatnik bucket, comrade.

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>>33314791
Typical bitten in the ass butthurt belt dweller.

>>33314448

>1.5 million dead goat fuckers

>30k Soviet casualties

It was a victory by every metric of warfare.

Sure they didn't mould the country into a secular socialist republic, but that's practically impossible.

>>33312959
>Kopp as a source

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>>33314536
>Soviets and modern Ruskies have a shit aesthetic backed up by shit equipment and training.
>he thinks it's still 1941
>he thinks it's still 1995
kek

also: Ossie aesthetic > Nahtzee aesthetic

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>>33314760
>"despite the fact that AA alone has never been able to stop a contemporary airforce alone in the history of aerial warfare, THIS time it will work" says increasingly assdamaged vatnigger for the 10th time
Fuckin kek

>>33312462
The armies were cool, but the government they worked for was retarded.

The US Govt. is just full of faggots.

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>>33315243
>10000 aircraft lost in Vietnam
>2K12 butchers IAF
>N-no, it won't work because we bombed dusty SA-2 sites in Iraq
The eternal damage control of the fatnik mind.

>>33314872
If they just killed few million more enemy combatants it would have succeeded, just like any war is a victory if the enemy is no more

>>33312959
>>A single SA-3 battery, commanded by then LtCol Zoltan Dani, downed an F-117A and an F-16C, and damaged another F-117A. Prior to the conflict, Dani worked his crew for weeks in the simulator, driving up proficiency and crew teamwork. During the conflict, he relocated his battery as frequently as possible, and exercised strict emission control. His battery survived and inflicted the single most embarrassing combat loss the US has suffered for decades

so what they actually did was totally flaunt superduperofficial soviet tactics aka something that would almost never happen in the notoriously rigid Soviet military, or at least not until it was far too late and a harsh lesson had been learnt

USSR 70s/80s army was a huge paper tiger. Great on paper but morale, initiative, and training beyond the General Staff level was shit. The few times the Soviet army saw action it usually performed pretty poorly, such as Czechoslovakia where they suffered 100 dead due to traffic accidents.

Not that it would have mattered much as both sides would have just nuked each other to oblivion

>>33312944
I don't think anyone considers Afghanistan a victory, especially when it technically hasn't ended for a victory to be declared.

>>33312944
It's like shoveling the shit out of a horse stable.

The US did it with a pitchfork and didn't get much on their boots

Russia fell down, rolled around, shit in the straw themselves then scooped up shit with their hands and threw it out the door by the fistfull.

The shit comes right back of course, that's the nature of a stable, but there's still a right and a wrong way to get rid of it when you are there.

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>>33317037
>If they just killed few million more enemy combatants it would have succeeded

Yeah, but they would have to raze most human settlements and basically go after breeding-age women and young boys, in a genocide that would not mesh with the narrative they were selling the world of helping a small nation defeat Islamic extremism.

But I'm with you on that. They should have killed them all, with the benefit on hindsight we now have, the only good Muslim is truly a dead one.

>>33317293

This makes no sense.

You tried to do what Russia tried, except with more sophisticated technology, a far lower troop level and on a shoe-string budget and also failed to transform Afghanistan into anything other than a feudal shithole that it is.

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>>33312430
>implying the commie vatniks didnt culturally appropriate that emblem from the germans

>>33317316
Eh not all just most then followed by colonization by young Soviet men as suddenly lot of Afgan women got widowed, in 2 generations they would be just another Soviet state

>>33317214

>USSR 70s/80s army was a huge paper tiger. Great on paper but morale, initiative, and training beyond the General Staff level was shit. The few times the Soviet army saw action it usually performed pretty poorly, such as Czechoslovakia where they suffered 100 dead due to traffic accidents.

This IMO, is entirely wrong. If you said late 80s, you might have a point.

But the 70s were the zenith of Soviet power and prosperity, they could match the and exceed every NATO challenge and had a technological edge on the battlefields.

You have no idea in how poor a shape the US armed forces were after 1975. Barracks in many units were literally no go zones where you couldn't enforce law or military discipline, and open race riots and murder. Pay was pitiful and most soldiers couldn't afford families.

>>33317349

It just doesn't work that way. You would need an occupation force in the millions to have any appreciable impact of breeding the Mudslime out of their women.

>>33317395
Of course, who did you think would be doing the deed?

>>33317383
>But the 70s were the zenith of Soviet power and prosperity

The same 70s when Soviet top brass secretly lamented how living conditions for the average citizen were appallingly poor in their countries compared to the decadent west?

>>33316968
>fatnik

I love when they use this, they think it's an insult, but it just means vatnik really gets to them. Gives me an erection.

>>33317383
And yet give any Soviet a soldier a chance and he'd run off to America to escape the majesty of socialism

>>33312462
>cheat at war
holy shit this is the worst b8 ive ever seen on /k/

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I will sat they I love it when the Soviets painted jungle camo on top of their fighters.

>>33316968
>"our glorious air defenses will protect you" says russia to North Korea
>North Korea gets flattened

>"our glorious air defenses will protect you" says russia to Vietnam
>Hanoi gets pounded to dust

>"our glorious air defenses will protect you" says russia to the arab world
>tiny fucking kike nation dominates them

>"our glorious air defenses will protect you" says russia to Iraq
>the entire Iraqi army gets raped to death in a matter of hours

>"our glorious air defenses will protect you" says russia to Serbia
>the JNA has to scurry like rats from hole to hole, completely neutered, unable to achieve any of it's goal

>"o-our glorious air defenses are t-the best, promise!!!" says increasingly nervous russia to this day
>the world knows russia is a garbage bin populated by lying vermin

The idea behind air defenses is to prevent enemy air from achieving their goal.
Russian air defenses has never ever been able to prevent an air force from achieving their goals which is why russia, desperately grasping for straws, point to meager losses inflicted on the enemy.

>>33314523
there's a quote from nuclear weapons and foerign policy on american war theory of the 50's. it's on page 27 i think. that's how embarrassing you are being. we would have been hard pressed to defeat the soviets up until 1985.

>>33314523
How is Syria's air defense network a shining example? It has been destroyed and rebuilt 4 times

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Any vatnik thread will have the same old tired arguments

1.) Shooting down ONE F-117 in a campaign that JNA was steamrolled in. This is the most popular one. This single USAF jet being shot down validates every other humiliation apparently. It was worth the 200 MiG's to 0 IAF in Lebanon, it was worth the IAF steamrolling the USSR itself in the War of Attrition, it makes the Gulf War, Libya, and every other aerial engagement of the Cold War vanish

There's no other #2, #3, etc.. All that got is that 1 F-117

>>33319730
Russia sold their jets to any poor muzzie or sand nigger that wanted them while only nato and freinds got any good american jets
Especially the later models
So obvs they are gonna have a better KD

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Vietnam is an interesting case study. Especially when you consider the NVA completely broke from what their Soviet advisers told them to do with regards to the USAF. The Soviets wanted the NVA to focus primarily on SAM's and interceptors, in the end the Vietnamese focused on AAA, taking advantage of outdated USAF tactics

There's a few things to consider here

1.) The NVA's air defenses were essentially allowed to exist at a certain level because of the ROE restrictions placed on the USAF/USN. This was their biggest boon of the war.

2.) The NVA took tremendous losses on the ground during their air defense campaign and it essentially became an attritional battle of who would blink first

3.) SAM's were largely inconsequential against the USAF/USN, AAA was the real killer of the war. This is because the US was so paranoid of Soviet SAM's due to misleading intelligence that they had all their aircraft fly in low without immediate reconnaissance, leaving them very vulnerable to AAA. However after Soviet SAM's were humiliated by Israel in 1967 and with a new Administration in place, the US changed tact (large scale SEAD-dedicated units in particular) and the NVA began to receive losses that were not worth those being inflicted.

4.) Just like Hezbollah and Hamas today, the NVA were successfully able to propagandize their limited military successes and create a victim narrative to ultimately overshadow their crippling military losses and create enough sympathy to limit the attacking air force.

Ultimately the NVA air defense campaign can be considered a failure in that they were not able to defend their airspace from the US. However they did "make them work for it", unlike nearly every other soviet-equipped AD when confronted with a western-equipped AF,

Much like the Vietnam War in general, the North Vietnamese inflicted losses but were ultimately military defeated, but successful in the political realm.

>>33319838
there's this excuse, then there's the MiG-23 having 4 losses for every victory which is probably the worst for any jet aircraft ever.

>>33319882
Vietnam also received a ridiculous level of aid. $60 billion in Soviet and $20 billion in Chinese. For comparison US aid to the Mujaheddin as $20 billion

>>33319897
The F-104 has a pretty bad A-A record, something like 8-4 against MiG-21s and MiG-19s.

>>33319962
>8-4
8-2

>>33319962
yeah but that's because pakis will never beat Indians. US really choose bad in that Cold War standoff, though at least still not as bad as the USSR did siding with the Arabs against Israel

>>33319962
I think a Jordanian F-104 was downed by an Israeli Mirage III as well.

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>>33319065
"On all levels except physical we can defeat Russian IADS".
[Loses 10000 aircraft internally]

>>33317482

Listen faggot, we are talking about the military capabilities of the Red Army in the 70s, not the appeal of communism.

NATO air power would have been mitigated by the most advanced SAM and AAA systems in the world at the time, and the armor would have rolled Western Europe.

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>>33312462
>cheat at war

>>33319065
>Hanoi gets pounded to dust

You seem to forget that America and South Vietnam lost 12,000 aircraft.

That's more planes than the current operational inventory of the USAF and all other branches.

Can you even imagine that?

>>33314760
Armatard: thepost

>>33315500
That's essentially NATO v. Pact in a nutshell

>>33315500
>The US Govt. is just full of faggots.

t. Russian Agent

>>33321044
Why do you not differentiate between planes and helicopters?

>>33312959
Listen, asshole,

go read up the facts: In Korea, in Vietnam, in the Middle east both soviet planes AND AAA systems were more than once manned by soviet """advisers"""

>Well known that MIG-15 chatter in Korea often was 100% russkie

>Well known that SA-2 crews were straight outta Moscow

>Soviet Pilots got their asses handed over by jid Air force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rimon_20

It was ALWAYS a big bunch of your """proper trained" soviet personnel.

And they ALWAYS got their shit wrecked.

>>33321044
>12000 planes AND helos combined
>Whole battlefield - North vietnam, South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos combined

Go check how many A6s were lost for example. Its a good example because the Intruder was used during the whole war.

>>33321044
The majority of the losses where hueys lost to AAA using tactics not condoned by the russians.
When the USAF went up against russians using russian tactics, this is how things looked;

https://youtu.be/60ihI7VU2OY

Every dot is a three ship formation. Despite the massive amount of targets, only two where hit. You can hear the crew reporting dozens of launches at a time.
The russian SAMs where completely neutered by superior US tech, despite russia bringing the very best the Soviet could muster.
Only 17 B-52s where lost in combat during the war.

>>33312645

but i have the weirdest boner right now

>>33314872
got it, so Vietnam was a victory too.

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>>33312430

>>33312803
Why the hell would the American army willingly engage the Soviet Armor Hordes on open terrain, where the Soviets are strongest?

>>33312944
Leaving=/=losing

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>>33319730

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>>33325413

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>>33312882

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>>33325424