Grenade Launcher Thread

>>33301548
Is there a more aesthetic gun than that heat shield?

Has anyone ever mounted their M320?

I've only ever used them standalone. Seems like a waste to mount it.

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RK95 with m203. Never entered into wider service propably because the combination would have been horribly front heavy and grenade launchers are situational at best so grenade pistols were smarter choise.

>>33301548
Grenade launchers are sex. And this setup is like hotdamn 11/10 allnightlong.
That being said, how effective are 40mm's actually on the battlefield? Heard that the ectual GL grenade going off is kinda dinky little explosion without much shrapnel.

>>33305621
They are very effective at increasing a group's ability to suppress. Good grenadiers with M203s can pump off like a round a second, which is going to be like a mini artillery barrage.

It's great for suppressing against even prepared, fixed positions that might otherwise be more resistant to bullets.

>>33305669
Guess supression is a good fuckin' reason for having them. I'm gonna sound like a newfag, but how far out can 40mm outta M203 reach out? I guess plenty long since most engagements are at about 200m? I always read "up to 150m" but that's sites like wiki and I don't necesarrily believe them.

Is it viable to try and hit a window, or does it even matter with mudhuts?
Are smokes, flares, etc ever actually used in them?
Last butt not least, how many rounds do grenadiers usually carry?

Sorry for autism. Guess I know shit about GL's for how much I like them.
>>33305642
Damn, that ruskie Chinalake is sexy

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>>33306170
It has a maximum effective range of 400 meters.

source:>>33301548

>>33306170
Only shot a 203 in basic, but I qualified on a 320 and the farthest target was around 300-350m.

>>33303506
>tfw want the grenade launcher just for the heatshield

>>33306237
Whoa. That's quite a lot more than I anticipated. Guess the fat slow fucker must take quite some time before impact, huh?

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6 were sold in the US for $20k a pop
I would do unspeakable things for a 37mm version

>>33306308
Yes, and you can actually see them in flight as well.

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i think these are for smokes and or flares but whatever

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not really a grenade but still...

>>33306170

>Is it viable to try and hit a window, or does it even matter with mudhuts?

If you have the time to make an aimed shot, sure. Good grenadiers are pretty accurate. Even in M203 ranges you are trained to send rounds through windows.


>Are smokes, flares, etc ever actually used in them?
All the time.

>Last butt not least, how many rounds do grenadiers usually carry?
At least 12 HEDP rounds. As many smokes and flares as whatever their unit says to. Grenadiers usually carry more than that, since their primary role during a firefight is to lob grenades not shoot.

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>>33301548
Agreed.

Does anyone make those types of handguards for use without the M203? I've always like the aesthetics of it.

>>33307365
No, but the first dude with a 3d printer that figures it out is going to make some serious cash money.

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>>33307375
I don't think 3D printable materials would withstand that much heat.

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Is there a 37mm M203 clone that actually mounts like the original? Or can a Cobray be modified to mount like a real one?
>want the aesthetic
>don't want retardation
>don't really want to shell out $2000 for a form 1/4 M203

>>33307428
You can 3d print metal

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>>33307428
>when you realize you saved the thumbnail

>>33307365
check ebay.

>>33307504
how does this one work?

>>33307571
You're missing his point. The original handguards don't work very good without an attached M203 since they are open bottomed.

He wants the aesthetic, but in handguards designed to be used stand alone from a launcher.

>>33307588
Front loading. You push the round in. Round has no casing, just vent holes.

>>33307602
no i mean, it has one trigger, presumably to fire the grenade. what about the rifle on top?
or does it fire blanks that launch the grenade?

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>>33305642
these things are fuckin rad

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>>33301548
This launches my grenade

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>>33307631
One trigger for the rifle and the launcher. Selected with the selector switch on the left side of the rifle.

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>>33301548
riot gas guns

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>>33307365
It's a rail obviously, but I think they were going for that same staggered hole design aesthetic with this Centurion rail.

>>33307435
i modified mine to fit on rails, but it was a huge process and a pain in the ass.

>>33307770
Why not just buy a spikes at that point? Also Cobray sells rail mounts for them.

>>33307770
Man, now I'm seriously considering getting one. Maybe it would be easier to just fashion a metal plate the same dimensions are the top of the M203 and fit it into the hole in the handguards.

>>33307784
I prefer the look of the cobray, and i didn't have to pay for machine time so it was worth it to do one. >>33307791
always worth trying if you can do it without wrecking it

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>>33307365
>>33307724
My poor New Zealand legal LMT has a swiss cheese handguard made by North Eastern Arms. Kind of close but no cigar.

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Can anyone identify these grenade rounds?

>>33307302
The fuck is that?

>>33307344
Thanks for the info, anon! Appreciated. Now, one thing that comes now and then on my mind - what's the pracical "second purpose" on DP rounds? Technicals? Punching through cover? Somewhere I read that they can punch through 50mm of RHA, but that doesn't really say all that much and I don't suppose you'd find many IFVs to lob a 'nade at.

Also, since grenadier's job is mostly to lob grenades, is he carrying less in way of, say, rifle ammo or other equipment, or does he carry all that on top of rifleman's usual kit? Because if it's the second option, that sounds rather awful.

>>33308029
If memory serves me correctly, a rocket assisted guided 40mm projectile.

>>33307691
gotcha, thanks

>>33307843
The round top ones are VOG-25, the pointy top ones are VOG-25P

>>33308274
>Somewhere I read that they can punch through 50mm of RHA, but that doesn't really say all that much and I don't suppose you'd find many IFVs to lob a 'nade at.

Cover, technicals, maybe super light IFVs. It's basically just some beefed up penetration because why not? 40mm grenades aren't ideal for HEAT really, since they spin so quickly that it fucks with the HEAT effect.


>Also, since grenadier's job is mostly to lob grenades, is he carrying less in way of, say, rifle ammo or other equipment, or does he carry all that on top of rifleman's usual kit? Because if it's the second option, that sounds rather awful.

He carries a full combat load. It kinda sucks, but it's not that bad. Remember that there is rarely a "basic" rifleman who is just carrying rifle ammo, water, and IFAK. If somebody has a free back, they WILL end up carrying something.

>>33306350
Ok.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/629792312

Now suck on my dick because that is what I desire.

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>>33307435
I've seen them with M203 mounts before, pic related

>>33308470
>>33307435
Fucking hell I just realized my pic is from the same exact post as yours

>>33308029
It's a laser guided 40mm made by Raytheon called the Pike.

>>33308505
>tfw you will never load your cock into a qt Ratheon defense contractors tight girlpucci

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>>33301548
Some shitty OC, photo from before our deployment. My only shot with grenade in flight, and w/o PERSEC.

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>>33307365
i've thought about making a plaster mold and vacuum forming some plastic to mock something up.

as is, there's great symmetry from left side to right side, but top to bottom definitely needs something

>>33307843
Why are the rounds in the dump pouch on the belt de-linked?

>>33310136
why would 5.45x39 be linked?
is there an invisible prototype RPK in the pic?
the linked rounds on the right are 7.62x54r

>>33310836
I get that its just the lay out has mags. Can they not get extra mags and need to carry loose round? What about running or imt ?

>>33306170
Been issued two M203s and one M320.
In my experience, they're extremely accurate weapons. As the other anon said, firing through a window is part of the 203 qual course, and I never found it difficult.
It does make the gun extremely front heavy and difficult to work with. I appreciated the M320's ability to be a stand alone GL.

>40mm hi-lo grenades

I am disappointed with the amount of HE in them.

You could probably fit that much HE in a 12 guage shell.

Redesign them and at least triple the power.

>>33310900
Because saving weight and space is important?
The guy already has 285 rounds in magazines.

>>33308371
Ah, thanks for the clarification, man. Appreciated. Interesting about the "no basic rifleman". Altough it makes sense.

>>33308692
Cool OC, man.

>>33312163
Interesting about the accuracy. I would assume that such a short barrel compared to the bore diametre would lead to some innacuracy. I can see the front-heavyness being a problem. This sounds like one thing (aside from overal length) bullpups could have for them. Altough Steyr AUG looks like ass with a GL. So, about the M320, is it carried in the field as a standalone as a second weapon, or as an attachment with the solider carrying the stock for it somewhere on his person if need be?

Anyway - how do you people feel about the GP-25/30? Muzzle loading sounds like a safety hazard, but I see certain appeal in it. From what I understand, the selection of grenade types is lesser than in western counterparts, but VOG-25P's bouncing ability sounds like a pretty useful thing. I also find GP25/30 pretty damn aesthetic.

>>33313651
>Interesting about the "no basic rifleman". Altough it makes sense.

I mean there are guys who's job is to be a basic rifleman, but if you show up for a patrol with just your baseline load, somebody is going to hand you a bunch of machinegun ammo or batteries or sumthin' to carry for somebody else.


>Anyway - how do you people feel about the GP-25/30? Muzzle loading sounds like a safety hazard, but I see certain appeal in it

There are videos/pics of rounds embedded in dudes' hands from trying to load and shoot too fast.

I think the M203 is a better system. Techically you've got "wasted" weight by using brass, but it's just easy to use. Theoretically you can load GP-25s faster because there are less steps, but tbqh dudes can load M203s hella fucking fast and I don't think the difference makes a big impact.

Bounding is a neato round, and from being on the receving end, its pretty effective at getting a good 1st shot ambush opening hit on the enemy before they take cover.

The tradeoff with the VOGs vs. M433 HEDP is similar to how it often is with Western vs. Russian explosives: The VOG grenades are much more likely to explode on target than to dud out, but the Western design is much safer to handle. US explosive safeties tend to err on being overdesigned, while Russia stuff tends to use the philosophy of "good luck!"

>>33314863
>riflemen get to carry same amount of shit
Yeah, I was under the impression people would try to "spread the load".

>GP25/30
About rounds embeded in one's hands - well, that's what you get when being a moron I would say. Stuff like that isn't exclusive to GL's I think. Interesting that you mention 40x46 duds. You seem to have quite a deal of expirience. Care to elaborate?

>rate of fire
Yeah, I think having one less step isn't that big of a deal and you aren't playing a grenade machine gun every day, but that being said, saw a video of two guys innaukraine behind some barn, box of VOGs in front of them and they just casually lobbed them over the barn, peppering the countryside at some pretty damn fast pace. Must've been terrifying really

>VOG-25P good at ambushes
Damn, you've been shot at with a VOG? Sounds pretty terrible. Story time, please? Also, don't think it's technically airbursting, but isn't the bouncing one more likely to fuck you even if you are already in cover and it lands nearby, say in a roadside ditch and it lands on the road?

Thanks for staying with me with my tard questions, man.

>>33315222
>About rounds embeded in one's hands - well, that's what you get when being a moron I would say.

I mean, it's operator error and avoidable; on the other hand, when you're in combat and trying to do a lot of shit fast and your brain is in regressive lizard mode I can't be too harsh on somebody for making a split second error.

>Stuff like that isn't exclusive to GL's I think.
What, mistakes with gear? Happens with any weapon system. There are videos on ISIS dudes wrecking their buddies with RPG-7 backblast. Any weapon can be dangerous to the user or friends.

>Interesting that you mention 40x46 duds. You seem to have quite a deal of expirience. Care to elaborate?

They have an electronic safety system which ensures you've got the proper velocity & rotation to arm. Makes sure it only happens when fired. Russian grenades use physical blocks only and they are a bit more, shall we say, forgiving when it comes to arming.

>Yeah, I think having one less step isn't that big of a deal and you aren't playing a grenade machine gun every day

That's the grenadier's job in a firefight, but the loading speed difference between a VOG and M203 could be measured in miliseconds.

>Damn, you've been shot at with a VOG? Sounds pretty terrible. Story time, please? Also, don't think it's technically airbursting, but isn't the bouncing one more likely to fuck you even if you are already in cover and it lands nearby, say in a roadside ditch and it lands on the road?

It was the opening shot of a deliberately placed ambush. We were hitting a suspected cache site and had to take ANA with us, ANA delayed the raid over some piddily bullshit by a day, when we hit the site it was empty and we got hit by obviously prestaged positions. I am about 108% sure an ANA guy tipped off the insurgents.

VOG opened up the attack. It was aimed at the CO, radioman, and a couple of other people clustered together. Didn't kill anybody, but fucked them up enough that they needed litter carry.

>>33315222
The VOG-25P isn't air bursting in the sense of using a prox fuse to detect an altitude to detonate. It impacts and detonates a small bounding charge then sets a delayed fuse this delay is enough to allow the grenade to bound roughly 1m before detonation. In the anti personal role the VOG series are theoretically more effective than NATO HEDP or HE being that they produce a larger number of fragments and carry a heavier explosive charge.
And to answer your question directly, yes the bounding grenade is much more likely to riggity rekk your shit if you have already hit the ground and taken cover.
Kinda it's whole purpose desu senpai.

>>33306170
dual purpose 203 rounds, they're loaded with a small shaped charge and a shrapnel band around RDX

>>33306350
there are a couple dealer only milkors on GB going for around $6k

also the deftec 37mm ones go for beteeen $1200 and $2200

>>33315397
Not going through class 3/SOT/ITAR to get an mgl, yet.

>>33308309
>Benjamin teaches his palestinian classmates what he learned about indirect fire

>>33307435
Rpb made a 37mm m203 clone that looks good but they don't make it anymore

>>33308029
It's your mom's dildo.

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Charles Taylor of Liberia with his personalized Romanian Kalashnikov with M203.

>>33315341
>operator error in combat stress
Eh, fair point. Still, I would like to know how the hell does one get a grenade stuck in his hand. Sounds like he was ramming a 'nade in the launcher with a finger on the trigger or something dirty in the firing mechanism so it slam-fired

>40x46mm vs VOG arming
Ah! I always thought that the 40x46 grenades also had mechanical arming. You learn something every day.

>VOG landed in cluster of people, needed litter
Fuck. That sounds harsh. And like a major fuckup on ANA's part. Sorry to hear that, man.

>>33315370
>VOG-25P isn't airbursting in the prox fuse sense
Yeah, that's what I meant by saying "not technicaly airbursting". I know that it is the intended role, but hey, lot of bullshit is being said on the internets and I wanted a confirmation. Thanks for that.

>>33315518
Singleshot (presumably) bolt-action 20mm grenade doesn't sound llike too good of an addition for the carbine. Or the other way around. Sounds like a way to make it both pretty heavy.

Now, lastly, with all the banter about 37mm flare "Grenade launchers", I've seen adapters for 26,5mm flares, 12ga, 20ga, etc. My question is, can they handle discharging a reasonable power buckshot round if one made it in the 37/26,5mm shell? Now I understand that it would be a DD, felony and all that, but hey, research purposes. It's not like I'm getting that stuff in Europe anytime soon.

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Contribootin

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Underbarrel 40mm? It is like you are a little baby.

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>>33303506
arguably this heat shield is more aesthetic

>>33317883
>tfw optics on carrying handles on M4/M16s will never make a comeback

>>33317883
Wait, is that rifle tied to his shoulder?

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I carried an M203 years ago.

>>33317906
Sheesh, someone went a bit overboard with the levels and contrast. That's one of my old photos.

>>33307291
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ion_blaster/Legends

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>>33319521
Here's the same one disassembled.

>>33303598
I mounted it but had to clean it up later because I got cum all in it.

>>33318455
It's a big padded M240ish looking sling with some 550 cord tied to one end, probably because the nylon was missing or something.

>>33319521
>>33319635
Cool launcher. Also, your photos of the trench gun are fukken a e s t h e t i c.

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>>33320963
Here's the original photo.

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>>33320963
Here's a couple more recent ones.

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>>33321274
>>33321283
>>33321291
I see your trench gun and raise another one.

OK M80 smoke grenades, here's the deal.

I just found out WA state requires background checks for flare guns. I go back there in 6 months. Before I do, whats a real fun 37mm flare gun I can buy?

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>>33301548
get rekt

>>33317868
I don't have any first hand experience with RPGs but that seems like a bad way to fire one

>>33317883
>tfw no rifle launched lawn darts
I will never look at family barbecues the same

>>33301548
Where can I get one of those heatshields?

>>33307691
>tries to shoot over cover
>forgets rifle is set on grenade mode

How do I obtain a GP-25

>>33316348
Regarding your question about buckshot.
Yes and no, there were buckshot rounds issued to troops but these did not use full case sized projectile loads and did not make use of the hi-low gas system. High- low is good at its intended purpose of launching a heavy projectile at a low velocity with a long pressure curve, mitigating recoil. Even something as "low" velocity as buckshot is comparatively fast to the grenade projectile. If you were to use a let's say 50 count 00 buck load through the hi- low system you would get miserable performance, use a conventional propellant and you would get prohibitive recoil.

Ah. Glad to see the thread still kicking. I was affraid it'll be archived before I wake up.

>>33321274
Knew the first and the third, have them saved, but that one with the ammo pouch&box are damn sexy. Now I gotta look for some fullbrass shotgun shells. How do they work for ya?
Also >>33321306 beautiful shotgats. Saved & will spread the love where applicable.

>>33321840
What the fuck is even on that?

>>33322100
I would imagine it would likely wreck the rifle, the shooter or both. But it looks like somethink out of Mad Max and I approve.

>>33322204
Those crazy cunts. I wouldn't expect a tiny survival rifle innavietnam. Sterling with GL looks oddly satisfying.

>>33322309
Saw them on my favourite gunshop website some time back on the export only category along with things like API small arms ammo, HEI autocannon shells, handgrenades, 40x53mm, PG-7's, 2a42&2a28 Grom, other fun stuff. No way to get it, but damn fun to look at and know the price of. They sold it for about 800 burgerbucks equivalent.

>>33322519
Yeah, I get that high-low is made for different things. I heard of 40mm round issued innavietnam, think it was M576, it's power and load was almost exactly the same as 20ga with #3 buckshot or something. What I meant was if there are ,or physicaly can be shotshells or some impromptu slug made for 37mm or 26,5mm flare launchers in regards of the mechanical strength of the launcher, or if one is stuck with using adapters. Thanks for the reply anyway.

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Also, as we had a lovely little shotgun incursion, anyone got some non-advertisement info on those cute little FRAG-12 things? It sounds like a neat idea, but approx 18,5mm grenades sound way too small to do any reasonable work and or be prohibitively expensive. Heard that the britbongs were developing anti-armour shells too.

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Bumperino with a goddamn China Lake. I wish there were more in the world.

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it's meme time.

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>>33324968
Oh noes. Why? I'd rather post Chechen Wrist breaker!
>note the safety

>>33307672
Where to get hand guard, pls thx

Sort of off-topic but it also relates to under barrel attachments.
I recall seeing a pistol(I think it was on a 1911 platform) with a second barrel firing a shotgun shell or something else. Is this true or is it a movie prop?

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>>33325582
The movie Kingsman had Tokarovs with underbarrel 12 ga attachments.

>>33316348
>Fuck. That sounds harsh. And like a major fuckup on ANA's part. Sorry to hear that, man.

ANA tend to hover between "useless" and "actively helping the enemy". Not all of them, but like the vast majority suck.

>Singleshot (presumably) bolt-action 20mm grenade doesn't sound llike too good of an addition for the carbine. Or the other way around. Sounds like a way to make it both pretty heavy.

It's supposed to be mainly for smart rounds. You trade off explosive raw power for being able to detonate behind or right over cover. The US had/has the XM-25 which I have never handled, but apparently had much love in the field.

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>>33325582
Yep, a prop. Wish it was real. If I could, legaly, I'd work my balls off to make one. Doubt that's a 12ga, but hey, pistol w/ shotgat that is in axis with the hand more or less.

>>33326205
>ANA useless
That sounds like a major problem. Are/were any higher-ups dealing with that? I'm assuming that people want to avoid working with ANA as much as possible then, huh?
>chink OICW
Sure, smart rounds sound damn useful and I'm sure once the idea is more refined and polished, it could be wonderful addition to the fighting forces. What I meant however was that it just looks awkward to use combo. While it looks pretty slick, I doubt it has less than, say, 6,5kg and loading the single-shot in that place just looks clumsy. Might not be, though, dunno.

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>>33326686
Franklin Armory makes (or used to make) a 12 gauge slide/barrel replacement for the Beretta 92 and Taurus PT92. It came in two versions: a short-chambered flare gun and an shotshell version that you need a tax stamp for.

>>33326780
why.

It doesn't even look good.

Nogunz yurofag here, in the event i ever found myself living in the us, which states would let me own grenade launcher? I just want a milspec ar with the m203 box.

>>33326780
But does it behave like a normal pistol, PLUS the shotgat that isn't painfuly high above the hand.

>>33326961
Europoor myself, but I'm under the impression that any of the uncucked states provided you can buy it and have a 200burgerbucks tax stamp, 'cause it's over 0,5" without sporting purpose, thus, a DD. And another 200burgermoney tax per shell with more than 1/4 ounces of explosive, IIRC. Practice rounds, flares, smokes and non-leathal should be without taxes.

>>33326961
Any besides NY, CAL, NJ

>>33327023
No, it's a single-shot conversion.

>>33301548
You know, something has bothered by forever and I've never gotten an answer:

How does the barrel-hanging M203 affect the M-16s accuracy? I imagine it must be pretty significant.

>>33327247
It doesn't hang on the barrel. It mounts to the handguard.

>>33327441
No, friend, the the spec'd ones replace the lower handguard and mount around the barrel in the back and latch to it in the front.

>>33327247
Doesn't change accuracy noticably, but it does change the POI. It's kinda like how a bayonet affects shooting. It's maybe 1/2 inch lower at 100 yards.

Anyone had a go with the XM1060 thermobarics? How are they?

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>>33301548

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>>33328370

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>We Half-life now !

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>>33322204
>Sterling with underbarrel 40mm launcher

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Ya'll niggers are small game.

Bring in the High Impulse Weapon System 76mm. (marketed by FN, but didn't find a market afaik)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nOkO8Sh2xs

>>33328611
>a shoulder-fired cannon
Cool. I want twelve.

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>>33328611
>Shoulder fired high recoiling cannon
We TF2 now

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I don't know shit about grenade launchers. Is there some guide or picture explaining how the mount? Do they always need their own hand guard?

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>>33328722
>I don't know shit about grenade launchers. Is there some guide or picture explaining how the mount? Do they always need their own hand guard?

Most modern ones just mount to a picatinny rail.

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>>33328722
>M203
It wraps around the barrel in the rear and it latches to it in the front. The heat shields are a bit thicker than the normal handguards, but you can definitely still just mount the top hanguard on and put the M203 on the bottom.

With rails being made of metal that won't melt, now you just remove the bottom handguard and mount the M203.

>M320
Just use railz to attach

>GP-25
It latches to the AK's barrel in front of the handguard, standard handguards stay in place.

>>33328756
>>33328813

Thanks, it's clearer now.

>>33327488
Is that really true though?

People get really autistic about free float hand-guards when dealing in precision built ARs, I have a hard time believing an M203 handing directly from the barrel wouldn't affect accuracy if you were really keeping score.

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>>33329266
The military isn't autistic about accuracy like civilians, they generally make compromises in favor of reliability and durability when possible. Nobody gets match accuracy in combat conditions even with the best gear. M4's and M16's are 3-4 MOA guns new and many are old and dont shoot that good. Plus the standard KAC rails aren't free float so a 203 isn't that big of a tradeoff.

>>33303626
the holstered 320 sticks two yards out from your waist though.