.300 memeout fags BTFO

>Wanting to shoot your barrel out that much faster
>Implying anyone can buy m855a1 in the first place

.300 Blackout suppresses well in one of the most common weapons platform available. That's why its popular.

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>>33298873
>Wanting to shoot your barrel out that much faster
The wear problems with M855A1 are exaggerated, but even if they did exist they would be completely wort it for the ridiculous performance boost. If the M855A1 retains its velocity at a distance as well as the older M855 then it will likely exceed the effective fragmentation range of the Mk262 Mod 1 when fired from a 20" barrel even when fired from an M4.

>Implying anyone can buy m855a1 in the first place
It's slowly becoming more available. Keep in mind that the military just adopted it not long ago and it took a couple years to phase it in.

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>>33298814
Cause m855a1 isn't subsonic?

>>33299419
How many people actually need subsonic ammunition with a flat trajectory past 75-100 yards? Anything closer than that and you'd be better off with subsonic 9mm, which gives you less recoil for faster followup shots and also costs less. The niche filled by subsonic .300 BLK always seemed a little too niche to me.

>>33299498
Wrong.
9mm has more recoil than 300 memeout.
Don't be such a worthless faggot.

>>33300251
Are you retarded? .300 BLK subsonic is similar velocity to 9mm subsonic but with a heavier bullet.

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>>33298814
thanks for that informative picture for ants

>>33299033
>Muh popular round
Sure, And that's why my local gunshops all have shelves of the stuff (this is sarcasm can't find the shit anywhere). If I can't walk into a store and buy a case of it on the fly it is useless. And let us say if a shtf moment happens and you piss through all of your stock pile. Where are you going acquire more ammo? Plenty of 7.62, plenty of 5.56 to barter for but no .300. It's not as popular as you think. Maybe in 10 years but not right now. And if your stupid to put all you eggs in one basket, you get what you deserve.

>>33298814
>What's the point of .300 memeout now when the only loads that can match this level of performance uses boutique machined bullets that costs a couple dollars each?
>More expensive to manufacture
You just answered your own question.

>>33300295
Are you retarded? Apples to apples, a blowback AR has more recoil than a DI AR.
Welcome to /k/, now git.

>>33299419
300 blackout subsonic leads are anemic.

>>33303865
DI uppers chambered in pistol calibers exist, such as the RMW Xtreme which is available in 9mm. The only reason for companies to go with .300 BLK is because ammo is where companies really make a profit so it makes more sense on their end to push a new and expensive meme round than it does to do a little work and sell a DI 9mm upper that performs better from 0-100 yards.

>>33302202
>muh shtf
Do you only own one rifle or something? What are you, some kind of poorfag?

>>33299059
>It's slowly becoming more available.
Where? I've not seen it for sale.

>>33302202
Where the fuck do you live where you can "walk into a store and buy a case of [any caliber]"?

Because the only stores that carry anything other than shotgun shells by the case (which is still only 250 rounds) within 500 miles of me are a Graf's storefront and Midway's storefront. And both are close to 200 miles away.

Cabela's, Bass Pro, Gander, Dick's, and Academy simply do not carry rifle or pistol ammo by the case, and neither do any of the non-chain gun shops anywhere close to me.

>>33303996
And in the weaker pistol calibers like 9x19 they tend to only work with super hot loads like +P+ 124gr or the Uzi 158gr loads.

>>33303865
>>33303996
To add to my point about ammo costs, the cheapest subsonic .300 BLK I can find right now is $.42 a round while the cheapest subsonic 9mm I can find that isn't remanufactured is $.24 a round (both numbers being in 1000 round quantities and including shipping). Even if you were comparing a $600 .300 BLK AR to a $1400 Sig MPX, the Sig MPX would be the cheaper option after just over 4400 rounds. With an AR build using one of those RMW Xtreme uppers (total cost no more than $1000) the break even point drops to about 2200 rounds.

>>33304199
Um, no.

>>33303996
>300 bl is a meme round
>just shoot equally expensive meme loadings of 9mm no manufacture is going to widely reproduce because of blown up guns
How do you function being this fucking stupid

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>plebeians squabble over "meme cartridges"
Meanwhile, .308 continues to just rock no questions asked.

>>33304208
You need to look harder

https://www.woodburyoutfitters.com/cci/cci-blazer-ammunition-9mm-luge-11112

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Sugoi desu ne.

>>33304240
6.5 is the patrician intermediate caliber and 300 Win Mag is the better 'battle rifle' caliber

.308 is the retarded stepchild NATO was forced into

>>33304273
>300 win mag
>battle rifle
I use it myself for 750+ meters but I can't see it being even remotely usable on even a two round burst. .308 is very well rounded.

6.5 grendel is good shit though. Would be my choice if I wanted a wee lil rifle with wee lil cartridges.

>>33304330
Battle rifles on automatic is a meme because they either need to be retard heavy or are being used by SOCOM as a substitute for an LMG

>>33304356
Depends on what retard heavy is to you. I played with a SCAR, FAL, and G3 at an auto range and only the G3 fought back too hard.

Short barrels, subsonic, and barrier penetration. Note the "and", it's critical.

>>33298814

The only advantage is in states that won't allow .223 for deer and you want to suppress the rifle for hearing protection purposes.

M855A1 is stably $1.8/r and the lowest I've ever seen it was 80c/r. Plus it burns barrels.

>>33302202
>If I can't walk into a store and buy a case of it on the fly it is useless.
WRONG
If you ever walk into a store and buy ammo on the fly YOU are useless. You don't buy ammo when you need it. You stock up when prices are low and you can afford to. If you can't then you can't afford to shoot because buying on the fly is only going to be more expensive.

Furthermore memeout is on the shelves even more than 7.62x39 unless you're at a range that allows steel case.

>>33307615
>burns barrels

Which is a non issue for government personnel as they obviously need not worry about paying for replacement barrels. And the M855A1 is significantly better than the M855 and thus well worth the added cost and barrel wear.

>>33298814
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=09f78d7e84c745853607ecc571c0003c&tab=core&_cview=0

Then why is SOCOM looking for a .300 Blackout PDW?

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>>33309246
probably because .300 memeout was designed as a fish-hook for that sweet sweet socom contract. socom likely tossed a good bit of money at it to develop the round.

surely you don't think small arms technology advances or goes in niche directions just because it can? someone pays out the ass for it and nobody makes shit unless it's going to be a contender in a major NATO contract competition

M855A1 hasn't functioned properly in any of the weapons that the Army wants to use it in.

Waaaaaay too fucking overpressured. A 5.56 NATO proof load is 70kpsi. M855A1 averages somewhere around 60k.

>>33309181
Too bad it won't function reliably in an M4.

>>33304208
That's cute. When you grow up, you'll be able to make your own ammo.
My blackout subs cost about $0.19/ea.

>>33302202
Memeout will never actually be "popular" because it is a niche caliber. There is no point to it if you aren't useing a suppressor and not very many people have them.

>>33298814
>2017
>still no 6mm-7mm all purpose cartridge that would replace .223 and .308


JUST

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>>33309471
>We're back to the "one cartridge for every gun" debate.

>>33309488
Bruh you would be lying if you didn't think the .280 British wasn't a good idea.

Plus
>adopt 10mm
>covers everything up to 150m

>>33298814
the point is 7.62x39 ballistics and subsonic for suppression.

m855a1 is not made for the same idea.

>>33302202
does your local gun shop shelf have 5.45x39? .50bmg? 30mm? 88mm?

no? well those are useful. your argument is bad.

>>33309360
More PSI = MORE GOODER

>>33309246
Because they're idiots and if you actually look at what would be necessary to meet the objective requirements while keeping with the AR-15 platform you'd need a ~5" barrel with existing side folding stock conversions. Even with existing production rifles with incredibly short barrels no one goes under 6"-6.5", neither US companies that make rifles in .300 blackout nor the Russian guns in 9x39mm. Rifle rounds out of ~5" barrels sits solely in the realm guns made by people who want to do shit because they can and not for any practical purpose. I fully expect their solicitation to go nowhere.

>>33309690
Alternatively, USSOCOM wants to see how ridiculous of a solicitation they can put out before people call them on it.

>>33309246
>Then why is SOCOM looking for a .300 Blackout PDW?

Because SOCOM is always looking for the next special snowflake ""weapons platform"" to adopt and then promptly abandon in favor of the M4.

>>33309407
I on checking where I get my bullets from, it would still only cost me $.11 a round if I wanted to change over to 147 grain subsonic 9mm. Also, 9mm brass lasts longer before cracking and has less case maintenance steps to worry about meaning less time spent reloading for a comparable amount of ammunition. .300 BLK still loses when comparing costs in the long run.

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>>33309181
>angry taxpayer noises

>>33309923
I remember that show.

Did they ever do a season 2?

>>33304151
My local academy stocks shot shells, the big 3 pistol cartridges, 5.56 cans, x39 cans, ,54 spam cans and often x51 battle packs

They also carry 10mm, .38 super, .327 federal,5.7X28, 6.5G and 6.8spc, as well as the bug bore AR cartridges, .338 Lapua and .50BMG

>>33304208
Not with $60 ,no

>>33309455
You mean besides it's performance out of short barrels which was the whole point of .300blk as opposed to the whisper, the respectable velocity in the 110-150gr range or its usage by many many hunters

>>33309246
>>33309690
>hey everyone, we want a rifle that doubles as a flashbang for when we're operating operationally innabuilding
>don't worry USSOCOM, we've got you covered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bxkRhpMVQ

>>33309381
Replace the M4 then.

>>33311313
>Make cartridge specifically so that the Army can get M16 performance in an M4 package and appease everyone
>Doesn't work in the intended rifle

>>33298814
except way less energy

>b-but energy doesn't matter!

Yes it does
The only thing that doesn't matter is the difference between handgun calibers

>>33298814

>What's the point of .300 memeout
that same thing it was always for. Good performance out to 150 meters while remaining subsonic and shot out of a 9" barrel. Perfect for suppressed weapons. It was never meant to be a replacement round. 5.56mm ballistics are shit when you load it for subsonic. 300BA let's you be quiet and still have decent power at a decent range. being designed for >10" barrels means you can add a big suppressor and still have a short weapon.

>>33298814
>What's the point of .300 memeout now when the only loads that can match this level of performance uses boutique machined bullets that costs a couple dollars each?

its the quietest round to suppress

>>33304273
>300 win mag
>battle rifle

yeah you're retarded

>>33311510
My shoulder hurts just imagining it.

>>33304151
Cabelas near me carries shit by the case and also stocks battle packs of stuff.
I also know several non chain stores near me that carry ammo by the case.
Shit my local indoor range carries case of ammo.

>>33311605
There's an AR chambered in .300 WinMag out there that comes with an awesome muzzle brake apparently.

>>33311493
Bullet construction is a fuck ton more important than energy, and the bullets available for .300 BLK are shit for the most part as they really don't fragment like bullets for other rifle rounds do.

5.56 and 5.45 are the perfect intermediate rifle rounds

7.62x39 and .300 Blackout are too FAT and HEAVY

>>33309246
SOCOM is full of retards.
>we need a AR in 7.62x39!
>don't adopt HK32.
>We need a 10in AR!
>Don't adopt a bullpup.
SBR's are a fucking retarded meme.

>>33311753
Is 5.45 the greatest intermediate cartridge of all time?

>>33311850
Maybe

>>33309527
>.280
>a good idea.
No.
>Too heavy for auto fire.
>Not heavy enough for anti armor.

>>33309724
They really are though. I remember hearing rumors that they went with the 50 Beowulf for like 30 minutes. The scar 16s. The Mk23 got told to fuck off pretty quickly too.

>>33311896
>Mk 23 in 10mm.
>this will never exist.

>>33311928
Even if it doesn't exist it still gives me a boner.

>>33311939
>Mk23 XBAWKS huge size is justified.
>heavy pistol+strong recoil spring= buttery smooth recoil.
>versatile loadings, 200gr sub 180hp for terrorists, 90gr at 1800fps to fuck body armor.
>fuddy five fags eternally BTFO'd.

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>>33311928
>>33311939
>>33311983
But why? Overpressure .45 ACP > 10mm. .460 Rowland will give you comparable muzzle energy to low to mid range .44 magnum and you can get bullets like pic related.

>>33312170
>.45P+ is better than Norma 10mm.
>.460 Roland.
I get it, you're retarded.

>>33312598
Do you have an actual argument?

>>33312618
>wanting to load a low pressure round to +P.
>wanting a pistol that needs a special compensater.