.44 magnum vs .357 magnum

>muh stopping power meme
If you really want to take something down in one shot just conceal carry a .500 S&W magnum. Or hell just carry your own artillery strike team in your back pocket.

What kind of a dumb question is that, of course the bigger round is going to have much more recoil.

Unless you plan on taking on SWAT teams in the back alleys of Detroit or doing federal bank heists you don't need a .44 magnum for conceal carry. That shit is for bears and moose and charging animals that's 500 pounds of fury and death. A .44 magnum won't penetrate bulletproof vests anyway. Neither will a .357 magnum.

Why are you planning on shooting cops anyway?

A .357 magnum has higher rates of putting down a person with one shot center mass than a .44 magnum. In any case enjoy your eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee if you do use it for personal defense.

Just get a J frame .38 special or something.

>>33295387
I'm not going to be shooting cops, I just want something that could stop someone faster than a 9mm, which I already have.
I said it should at least crush the ribs of someone in a vest, which I'm fairly certain a .44 would do.

>>33295387
It's not specifically for cc either. Just a gun to have.

>>33295710
Then stick with your 9mm and get whatever you want

>>33295319
If youre going for a magnum pistol cartridge simply because of "stopping power", you may as well go with .44.

>>33295710
So who's sending a military gear hit squad against you?

>>33295817
But is the increased size and recoil of the .44 worth it over the .357?

>>33295879
it's more fun but you won't shoot it more than 30 rounds in one sitting at the range.

Also a lever action in 44 is easier to find

>>33295319
Why don't you just get your revolver in 7.62 NATO?

>>33295319
I think you'd probably want a .327 with armor piercing or something bigger with hard cast rounds instead.

>>33295879
357 is better for plinking because you can shoot cheap 38 special loads through it all day

44 mag does sort of have an equivalent with 44 special but 44 special is significantly more expensive than 38 special

A IIIA vest is able to stop any handgun round, despite only being soft armor. If you actually want to stop a criminal wearing decent body armor, you either need a rifle or to have trained enough to be able to shoot him in the head/pelvis in a real gunfight.

>>33295387
>>meme
Have you any idea about force and the human body? When something that produces a lot of kinetic energy collides with a person, it will knock that person to their feet. Energy doesn't magically lose its effectivity when a human comes into the equation. Stop pushing the "stopping power is a meme" meme.

>>33295977
A IIIA vest won't stop HK 4.6x30mm.

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>>33295319
44 has much more recoil. 357 mag is the better choice.

>>33296003
what the fuck?

how do you bruise your hand that bad on a 44?

>>33295988
Bullets are low mass dude. Even 12 gauge magnum slugs don't throw people to the ground. If they did they would throw the shooter to the ground too, equal and opposite reactions and all.

>>33296033
Ahh, so you'd have to get two people to shoot the target at once! Or better yet more!

>>33295988
That's what happens when a car hits someone, not a tiny fucking bullet. You're an idiot.

>>33295993
Right, and how many people in the United States own a gun chambered in 4.6 x 30? This is also putting aside the fact that the MP7 is an SMG and not a handgun.

>>33296021
If I had to guess, he probably owns a Smith and Wesson 329, which is the alloy framed .44 Magnum that weighs like 25 oz. It is an incredibly uncomfortable gun to shoot for more than one cylinder.

>>33296033
A slug would tenderize anyone in a vest.

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>>33295319
Here

You can actually conceal this, way more shots per mag, an it'll go through level one body armor atleast.

>>33296083
>US is the only place in the world
Dog bless.
>MP7 is an SMG
They did make a 4.6mm "USP" prototype which ended up being modified into the P2000.
Regardless, SMGs are chambered in handgun calibers by definition.

>>33296124
Breaking some ribs probably wont result in death. It might not even stop them from fighting.

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>>33295319
>Which has better stopping power
The .44.

>>33295319
>does the .44 recoil that much more than a .357?
Yes.

>>33295319
>I want a high powered pistol that could penetrate or at least crush someone in a bullet proof vest, something with more bang than a 9mm.

It really doesn't sound like you know what you're doing. Do you want knock down power or do you want armor piercing?

>>33296198
it actually can kill assuming the force is enough to bruise the heart

If you're not conceal carrying then why do you want a pistol? A rifle will be much better at going through armor than any pistol, magnum or not.

>>33295319
Hot .357 Mag can be up to 800ftlbs out of a 6" barrel. if you loaded something like that up with a proper penetrator you could quite possibly penetrate some if not most soft body armor.

>>33296421
This 10mm Underwood loading using a Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrator is able to defeat bulletproof glass with no problems. I imagine that a .357 version would be able to achieve similar performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvzul3rvTk

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>>33296421
>Hot .357 Mag can be up to 800ftlbs out of a 6" barrel

Now just imagine putting the same load in a handy little carbine with a 16" barrel.

.40 super ought to penetrate soft armor.
Should be a decent manstopper as well.

>>33295988
what's that thing where the small surface area of one hard object were applied to a large soft object, with enough force, that small surface contact turns into pressure and eventually the larger softer object gives and the smaller harder object penetrates?
Sorry, I'm a retard.

>>33296003
lol what the fuck, are you made out of grapefruit? My shit didn't wreck that bad from shooting a box of 700gr t-rex killers from a .500s&w

>>33295690
Well, you'd be wrong.

Any vest that will stop a .44mag will do so without significant backface deformation, which means no enduring or incapacitating injury.

>>33295879
Depends entirely what you want it for. One of the cool things with revolvers is, there is a VERY wide variety of factory loads. For example, in .44 you have .44spl loads throwing a 180gr bullet at ~800fps for ~350FPE on the low end, and on the high end you have loads like the Underwood 340gr hardcast @ 1425fps for 1533FPE.

>>33295993
4.6x30mm isn't a handgun round though. It's not chambered in a single production pistol anywhere in the world.

>>33296124
No, it fucking won't.

>>33296343
Which a slug is incapable of doing once stopped by a vest, and even if it DID, the odds are very low.

>>33296421
>and load that up with a proper penetrator
Which would be illegal.

>>33297312
But it doesn't. It's weaker than 10mm standard factory loads, and lvl II will stop that let alone IIIA.

>>33295319
"Stopping power" in a handgun is a myth.

Shot placement is all that matters.

>>33296134
British cigarette

>>33295319
Don't get .44 Magnum unless you plan on reloading. The shit is like $50/box for factory ammo.

Honestly it's just a good idea all around to reload it. It's a versatile caliber.

>>33297824
>shit is like $50/box
Fuuuck no it's not. 45cpr for new production or 43cpr for reman off the internet or around $38/box for AE JSP's at any big-box sporting goods store like Cabela's/Bass Pro/Academy/Dick's. Even Gouger Mountain has offerings under $40/box.

You guys realize Hunter 3-1 posts this exact thread once a week right?

>>33296082
A lung or heart shot would still probably be jarring, if not fatal, from a slug. Possibly from a .44, but most likely not from smaller calibers at lower velocity from a handgun

>>33297908
that doesn't make it any less fun to post in

>>33297908
That's not surprising.

The worst part of 4chan is the painfully detailed replies to the painfully stupid bait posts.

If given a real problem or question requiring true critical thought, I doubt most 4chan posters could do much but shitpost

>>33297957
yeah, I'm debating tripping up as Hunter 3-1 just to end that dumb meme once and for all

I always thought magazine capacity and shot placement outdid stopping power in any deadly situation that a normal civilian would walk in to. Revolvers are incredible fun to shoot, but if you're going for self defense why not just keep a semi automatic?

ITT RETARDS
Where the FUCK do you get off copying and pasting one of my posts kid?
What the hell is this garbage.
You >>33297908 go KYS

>>33298019
AND HERE HE IS
I'm out

>>33297767
Okay buddy

>>33297984
Because I have a 9mm semi auto. The point of a magnum is to do more damage and penetrate farther than a regular pistol round. A 9mm on average takes 2-3 shots to incapacitate someone, a magnum ideally would only take one.

>>33296021
>>33296107
I shot a whole box of .44 magnum out of a ruger redhawk not long ago and my hand wasn't even sore. Honestly the muzzle blast and noise from firing a .44 in a small indoor range gets old before the recoil.

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>>33296003
Jesus Christ what the fuck man.

>>33296107
I shot 30 rounds through mine with wood grips in the first hour with mine...worst I got was a smidgen of a sore palm. I do agree it's not the most comfy gun but I'll be damned if it isnt fun.

>>33297984
Some places have dangerous wildlife whose vitals either sit >12" in from most angles, or who have significant amounts of bone between you and their vitals.

Yes, it's overkill for people, coyotes, cougars, and niggers. But it's about right for black bears, grizzlies, and moose.

The fact that it also does double duty as a hunting round for pretty much everything in North America is a bonus.

>>33295319
>.357
>.44
Get a Lever Gat and call it good. I have Henry 44 Big Boy and its an amazing fire arm. At the same time the good ole GP100 in 357 Magnum is pretty easy to shoot all day long.

>>33297824
https://www.laxammo.com/
50 cents per boolit

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I own and love both.

If its your first revolver, I would go with a .357 first. They're much more versatile, and easier to stay on target in an OHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCK situation. I can get off 2+ shots of .357 on point for every 1 .44 magnum.

>>33302858
> dat bird grip vaq.
Hnngh. I've got a civ model in stainless in 45 Colt, but I covet your bird grip 44.

>>33303137

Im obsessed with that gun. It kicks pretty fucking hard, but I love it. Id love to find one in .22lr or .22 magnum.

>>33295319
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Why not just get a .454 Casull? You can shoot 45 colts all day and honestly the muzzle blast from the .454 is worse than the recoil on a heavy 7"+ barreled gun.

>>33303384
What are the ballistics comparable to?

If you have to ask a question about 44 and 357 the answer is 41magnum

I just like them all and have many in both. Still no 41 Mags yet. But I reload the 44 and 357/38

>>33296021
>>33296107
>>33297590
>>33299345
It's just a stock photo of a bruised hand, not a picture of the actual bruise one gets from a 44 magnum.