/meg/

>>33287667
First for not being ignorant enough to join the muhreens.

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Are Rangers still getting good deployments?

And tell me about op 40 contract

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What's the best job in the air force that doesn't require a top secret clearance? I can't get a top secret clearance because of some medical issues i don't want to bring up, but i also don't want a job that will make me want to blow my brains out. I don't mind working hard outside, i just want something that has a lot of bases overseas(being stationed in Japan or south Korea would be nice) and isn't shit. Preferably something that has transferable skills in the civilian world as well, in case the whole college thing doesn't work out, but that isn't a priory. Thanks /k/.

>>33288054
Not him. But is there a MoD in any branch of the military that 100% gets deployed to Japan?

>>33288054
>I can't get a top secret clearance because of some medical issues i don't want to bring up

There's very little that can medically disqualify you from a clearance.

>>33288272
I don't want to risk getting my medical waiver denied. Also apparently waivers can take months to get approved, and i don't want to go through all that just to have it denied.

>>33288162
USMC Security Forces bravo company. They deploy exclusively to Yokosuka, Japan and Cuba. They also make minor pit stops in Guam, Thailand and the Philippines.

>>33287667
How come Australia is the only country to get an army link outside of the USA?

No UK, Germany, France, Canada etc?

>>33288309

That has nothing to do with what jobs you can pick then, sounds like you have a medical issue with joining the military, not getting a clearance.

>>33288360
If i attempt to get a job with a top secret clearance, theirs a very good chance a investigator will find out i lied and I'll be kicked out. I don't want to risk that, so i just want to get a job that doesn't require that.

>>33288360
If i attempt to get a job with a top secret clearance, theirs a very good chance a investigator will find out i lied and I'll be kicked out. I don't want to risk that, so i just want to get a job that doesn't require that. My past medical problems won't hinder me at all.

>>33288034
Depends. My first deployment I got stuck doing FID. It was cool and a good insight for when I make the jump to 18 series but it wasn't what I wanted to do.

>>33288317

>implying any of those countries have militaries

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>>33288272
>>33288309
Speaking of medical waivers, I applied to my college ROTC program and just got my results back from DODmerb. I was deemed medically unfit because my "distant visual acuity" didn't correct to acceptable standards. I have a lazy eye. What are the odds that I can get a waiver? I really want to do this, more than anything in my life.

>>33288400
hey, i suggest hanging yourself

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>>33288471
>Replying to the obvious troll

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bump

>>33288402
You were in the battalion? Gonna need proof

>>33288397
>My past medical problems won't hinder me at all.

Well that's obviously not true if you feel like you have to sneakybeak your way into the military in order to not be medically disqualified.

>>33288512
It's childhood asthma, that's it. I don't have it anymore, i can run just fine without having any problems. But it's still on my medical records and i need a waiver for it.

>>33288579
Didn't some recruiter in the last /meg/ thread mentioned that they rarely check medical records at all? You need to sign papers allowing them to do so, but in practice they don't because it would be way too much work.

>>33288579

Childhood asthma isn't even a disqualifying condition, anon. They don't care as long as you didn't have it as a teenager.

>>33288406
We have a military in germany, it's just underfunded and hasn't found a way to run properly without conscription and is still being reformed since like 1990.
Also our recruitment website is very efficent at telling you nearly nothing specific about the MOS's you can go for.

My max pushups are right on the borderline of failure at 45. I ship out of Air Force BMT sometime around June. How feasible do you guys think it is to get them up to 60 by then?

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Is there anything a 26 year old should consider before enlisting?

>>33290474
You'll be making a whole lot of money with basic pay and social security.

Actually though you need to give more info. Sure you're 26, but you could have 3 college degrees or be a complete bum. If you've finished college then don't fucking enlist.

>>33288406
UK and France have been in more engagements then USA has since WW1

>>33287667
Should i get an mos before or after going to meps?

>>33290736

You should know what mos you want before you even sign a contract.
Do the research now so you dont end up regretting your decision later

>ship date for AFBMT is tomorrow
>Massive noreaster hitting New England
>They want me to outprocess today and possibly ship tonight

This can only end well.

>>33287667
18 year olds, If i get a pulmonary test and am cleared of asthma, do i still need a waiver for childhood asthma? Have not had any symptoms since forever, but its on my record.

>>33291042
your record isn't some magical thing the government can request at anytime, doctor patient confidentiality exist

Do I need to join the Air Force if I want to fly helicopters? I'd prefer to fly helicopters for the Army but I have no idea what kind of path that'd look like.

>>33291085
Join the Army, it's the easiest path since you can enlist as a pilot

>>33291062
Say i want to get a job that requires TS clearance , If they find out that i hid a past existing condition, couldn't i get kicked out?

>>33291111
a TS clearance is just a background check

Does Airforce still offer the College Loan Repayment Program or has that been phased out?

Any 18C MOS here, or at least have experience with them? What are they used for today? Are they in demand?

I plan on enlisting after i graduate college, and then use the gi bilk to pay for law school. Is dat dumb?

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I'm feeling incredibly retarded and sad. I turned down an Option 40 contract for 03xx and it just hit me.

I was originally going to go Army because I dreamed of being a Ranger and I finally had my wish when I was offered the Option 40 contract. I didn't even plan to do this but I met with a Marine recruiter and fell for The Few, The Proud, The Marines™ meme and I signed 4 years of my life away on the Marines contract. My retardation didn't hit me until about an hour ago.

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>>33291269
You fucked up.

>>33291205
Go officer if you have a degree.

>college this
>college that

No wonder you Americans have so many shitters in your forces, it's like you all only join up for either the money or college funds w/e, are there actually few amounts of servicemen that actually join because they want to serve?

No doubt some of you fit that bracket, but it seems like every post on here or online seems to be about joining for the benefits.

>>33291508
>what is getting benefits from working for x company.

>>33291530
Do you not have lifers anymore?

Do you not see my point?

>>33291269
All isn't lost, practice swimming every chance you can so you can shoot for MARSOC.

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If I was contacted by the police and interviewed for something I was accused of but it never went to court or was arrested. Will I have to bring this up at MEPs or a Security clearance?

>>33288508
*Still in. 2nd Batt.

>>33292611
>Should I give the enemy more ammunition to kill me with
Sure go ahead

>>33292661
I just don't want to get ass fucked later when I go for a security clearance.

>>33292687
Except you literally show up for just the clearance

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Who was the harder enemy in WW2: Japs or Germans?

>>33292687
You do not mention it because if you weren't charged with anything or brought to court then theres nothing to worry about.

>>33290630
haha what

>>33287667

If I was diagnosed with ADHD (over 18 while in college) and took meds for it, but will have been off of it for 2.5 years before signing/meps, could it still dq me for a 68w or 11x contract?

If I just shut up about it, is there a chance it could bite me in the ass? Or am I ok as long as I dont need meds to do my job?

>>33288054
I'd like to echo the same question. Can't get a clearance for other reasons. (Couple misdemeanors)

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>>33287667
Just had Army OCS board interview and it went really well and (knock on wood) it looks like I will be going to Army OCS.

I mainly want to branch Infantry (though I know that is extremely competitive)

So I would be happy with anything else combat arms, but Field Artillery in particular.

How common is it for people who finish near the top of the class to be force branched? IE, get a branch that isn't in their top 5 or 3 picks?

What is the life of an Ordnance Officer like?

Any tips in general for handling OCS?

>>33290116
lel dude u have 3 months

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>>33290474
Don't enlist if you have your BA. Once had a professor try to tell me to enlist for the "experience" -- fucking cunt never even served.

>>33292798
look it up, British military has been involved in 47 conflicts since WW1 as with around the same as France, USA has been in 28.

That's from 1918 onwards, if we were to include pre WW1 the list would be endless.

If you take one of those fancy SOF contracts, what are your odds of getting an interim clearance?

>>33292612
Whats it like in the Batt? And how hard was RASP?

>>33291508
To be fair, i want to serve, the benefits that go along with serving is kind of an excuse to give my family on why i can enlist.

>>33291508
I am joining to serve my country, 11X Infantry, but those benefits are a handsome gift and I even got a 20,000 dollar cash bonus, which I know isn't a real bonus more like collateral but still I am proud to try and serve my country.

>>33291633
Most lifers do it for the benefits. That's why the vast majority of retirees get out basically as soon as they're eligible for lifelong benefits.

>>33293203

A couple misdemeanors won't stop a clearance unless they were recent.

>>33291120

Secret is a background and credit check, TS involves interviewing friends, family, and former work associates. My TS investigation just wrapped up, they interviewed 8-10 or so people back home.

I have a metal plate in my jaw, a ton of cracked teeth, and a titanium rod in my leg
I look and walk normal and it doesn't really affect me at all
How screwed am I?
should I even try?

>>33293584

Enlisted with a BS here. No regrets.

>>33294815
Which branch?

>>33292734
germans fought like educated humans instead of monkeys like the japanese so germans

>>33294827

Army. High-tech job.

Shipping to Fort Leonard Wood Missouri tomorrow. Wish me luck boyos.

>>33293564
is 3 months good or bad

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Whats the best job as a Coast Guard Officer?

>>33294919
3 months is a long time. You don't have much to worry about.

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I want to become a great runner by the time I get to OTS.

What kind of training should I do? Should I run for distance, where I set a hard number to hit and cannot stop running until I reach, or should I go for time? Also is interval training good or bad?

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>>33293584
>>33290615
I've got a BFA that isn't really working for mw and I don't know what I want to do, I like working hard my hands and I work well in teams, on my own as an adult I'm floundering. I've always admired the military for the comradery, structure and sense of duty/honor but my dad was a anti war activist and I was raised as such. That's honestly my biggest hurdle to joining is letting him down.
>>33294870
>>33294815
Was your position degree related?
Are you still in? If no, what do you do now?

>>33296213

60/120s

>>33296516
Not him. But thank you for this.
I was killing myself like a jackass with 60/60, no idea what I was doing.

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What are some non-retarded reasons to join the Marines over the Army?

>>33296971
If you want to be a fucking badass killer and aren't a pussy

or you fucking love crayons

>>33296971
Family heritage.
Picked the Marine Corps because my grandmother was in the service.

Is 3 months enough time to take my 2 mile run time from 14 minutes to 12 minutes? How would I do this apart from running five miles a day?

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If you aint infantry, you aint SHIT

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>>33288402
Same happened to me, What SF was doing while we took there job is a mystery even to this day

>>33288508
>>33294148
cant vouch for the other guy, but I was with 3rd Batt a little while back. RASP is not that hard, just kind of long.

>pic related, Squad from last deployment.

>>33291161
They do some commo stuff and mostly SHARP the young female enlisted that are attached to there support battalion.

>>33297439
Is that at camp Sco? Looks familiar

>>33297351
??

>>33296971
>>33288316

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I read the pastebin but it didn't say much about the AF. Say I want to join the Air Force for pilot experience. Am I right in assuming they'd only want to bother training people they're definitely wanting to assign combat roles to?

Also, is 6'5" too tall to be a pilot?

>>33296514

My job was degree related insofar as having the degree helped, but it's not like you need a degree to be enlisted.

I'm out now and doing IT for the government.

>>33297564
yes

>>33293165
I don't know those contracts but if you require a TS clearance they'll probably find out about that and kick you out.

>>33297629

6'5 is literally the height limit. If you were any taller you'd be fucked.

Pilot commitments are different than normal officer commitments, pilots are automatically in for a ten year commitment.

>only want to bother training people they're definitely wanting to assign combat roles to?

Are you asking if they only train fighter pilots and not other types of pilot? If that's the question no, they train all sorts of pilots not just bombers and fighters.

>>33297351
yes, probably. do some longer runs and sprinkle in sprint workouts too.

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>>33298051
I know a few people who use to be in the army and they are all great guys.

Everyone seems to say the people in the Air Force are pretty crummy though.
Is this a stereotype or does AF just attract losers with its cushy jobs?

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>>33298051
Thank you for the answer, I guess I was asking about fighter jets, in which case the name really answers my question for me. My pipe dream is to be an astronaut, and I'm pretty sure I have the brain for it, but the military experience is practically a necessity.

But who knows, 30 years down the line you'll probably be able to pay a few thousand bucks for a trip to space anyway.

>>33297950

If you're off meds for that length of time, it's not an issue for joining.

And it's REALLY not an issue for a clearance. You can be actively medicated and get a clearance.

I don't know why anons think so many things are disqualifying for a clearance. There's really very few hard stops. Military requirements are usually more stringent than clearance requirements.

>>33297721
Took a very similar pic in the exact same spot

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>>33298136
>I don't know why anons think so many things are disqualifying for a clearance.
Until I met military people, and I think most civilians see it like this, I thought everything related to the government (besides civilian sector) was ultra elite. Like You have to be a navy seal + an army ranger + have personally killed Osama to get top secret clearance.
And you will never ever live up to that, because you stole that candy bar when you were 8, or had a bad case of the chicken pox, or got that D in 7th grade math class and the elite agents will look at you instantly and know you are not worthy.

It makes you feel safe to think the Government is actually that powerful.

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Was there a point where being a Marine was actually an accomplishment or has Marines always been a meme? Am I just looking at it the wrong way? Is the meme that the Marines are "elite"? Is there a way to be a good Marine instead of going full debil dawg?

>>33290929
I'm going to be one day late on my ship date now.

How much more shit am I going to get from the MTIs.

>>33298126

More like the Air Force is a lightning rod for everyone else's salt, jelly, and "I never saw combat but hurr chair force".

>>33298129

You probably want to try to fly experimental aircraft then.

>>33298357
>Was there a point where being a Marine was actually an accomplishment
Yes. Thanks to shit like video game achievements actually accomplishing things has lost perspective.

Climbing Mount Everest is an extremely shitty experience. It sucks. Its cold. Your muscles will scream in pain. But when you reach the top you did something few people will ever do.

But for some now you can get the same feeling from getting 5 stars in a shitty mobile game, so take your pick.

I want to join Army SF. Be it Ranger then 18 Series later, I'm thinking about joining the Navy in the meantime to get in even better shape and travel while also picking up some sort of skill for civi life. I'm 21, is my plan retarded? I could use some more insight on the Navy.

>>33298699
>is my plan retarded?
yes, just join the army

What do military intelligence actually DO?
The MOD's website is extremely vague about how they go about placing people in specific roles, and I know a lot about nearly every other area of the army but I know very little about the int corps, apart from the general advise other regiments about what's going on in their areas and shuffling through collected intelligence

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How exactly do age requirements work?

Say I enlist in the Navy at age 25, get out at age 30 (which is two years after the Marine Corps stops accepting recruits) and then try to enlist in the Corps. Am I still locked out 100% from joining the Marines or does my prior military experience sort of 'keep the door open' so to speak?

>>33298733
Navy looks fun though, and I'll get a lot of credentials. I'm not seeing any reason not to do it.

>>33298843

There's waivers for everything, having prior experience would probably tip the scale in your favor as far as getting it approved goes.

>>33298699
Yes it's retarded. Don't join the Navy. Start working out and then get an 18X contract or 11X with Option 40

>>33298739

Intel can get highly specialized so it's pretty difficult to answer a general question like what does intel do.

For example, I'm in the Navy as an STS. We have an opportunity to go intel and work for ONI in the acoustic intelligence field, ACINT riders are sent out on submarines operating in places they shouldn't be doing things they shouldn't do as a sort of insurance policy, they're experts boats can fall back on for guidance when shit gets sticky. I'm sure the Army has equally as specialized roles for intel.

>>33298357
Usual story.
The Marines are the best because they say they're the best. Same way the Italians have the best humor, and the French the best culture. Who says they're the best? They do.

Gotta keep the source of an opinion in mind before assessing it.

>>33299133
>Who says they're the best? They do.
That's how it works anon.
That's how everything works.
Except you forgot the last bit.
>And no one can claim otherwise.

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Has anyone here been wounded in combat?

>>33288385
whats the issue cuck stop being shady

>>33299065
hello brethren im your autistic cousin the CTI

>>33298739
depends, two big ones are Mikes and Papas
Mikes are interrogators who up until last year didnt have to go to DLI for a language
Papas are SIGINT and have to learn a language as part of their training

>source: Navy intelligence

>>33295868
whatever job makes you feel like you have a penis again

>>33299133
>italians have the best humour
Said no-one, ever

Brits have been one of the biggest comedy producers in modern history from europe

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>>33298357
Marines historically were used for amphibious assaults, where they would take beaches and secure the way for the rest of the branches before moving on,

You know what people use nowadays? Helicopters. You know who the Army has a whole fucking lot of? Helicopters.

>>33299474
Marines are used as flanking forces or decoys (fighting the worst of it) in modern wars. Enough with this meme.

>>33291269
This reads like bait

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So i'm thinking of joining the airforce next year. Am i gonna get disqualified bc of this tattoo? Buddy of mine told me 13's are considered gang related

>>33300114
Marines is the branch for edgelords with daddy issues.

>>33300114
Nah they'll take one look at you and realise you couldn't possibly be in a gang because you're the biggest fag alive, then they'll put you in the navy.

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So /meg/ i have a very shitty situation

>20 years old
>story takes place about a year ago
>make a living buying and selling pc's and parts
>buy pc's on craigslist all the time
>literally have a 4 foot tall stack of laptops i've never touched or listed
>moms friend asks to borrow one to check her email on
>gives it back a few hours later acting weird
>4 days later house gets fucking swatted by local PD
>apparently she found a cp video on the laptop she used and called them a day later
>taken into custody and charged with possession of child pornography
>spend the night in jail and bail myself out
>week later the district attorney rejects the case before the first arraignment bc no evidence obviously
>lawyer tells me i'm good as gold unless they somehow find something on me in the next 3 years
>no public notoriety, no news coverage, my current job didnt even find out
>cant even look up the arrest record anymore

Is this gonna fuck me for life out of a military career? wanted to join the marines and i feel like even though nothing came of it they're gonna find out and tell me to fuck off

>>33300192
If you weren't charged it doesn't matter
Marines have little to no standards

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When getting a TS clearance, if a immediate family member is interviewed and says that you have an alcohol problem in the past or a drug problem in the past, will this disqualify you? What happens?

Also getting a TS clearance how will they even find medical records if you don't have the hospitals or clinics you went to?

>>33300219
>a drug problem in the past
>will this disqualify you?
No it will land you in jail.

>>33300290
Insurance.

>>33300313
How would that land you in jail?

>>33300192
I had an NSA guy come in and give a talk when I was doing itty bitty programming summer camp a half dozen years ago.

He'd gotten into computers when the internet was still young, and he'd been messing around with wardialers and all sorts of things. Even got his own phone line because his parents didn't want to pay for it.
A few years down the road, he has a buddy who talks him and his crew into starting up a credit card scam. Easy stuff by today's standard, but I'll get to that. They'd rigged up a system to double-swipe cards and were selling them online.
They get busted one day, but they're so early into the game that CFAA hadn't even been passed, and all they're charged with this credit card fraud, plus a court order not to touch a computer without permission.

And like I said, the guy got into the NSA, TS clearance and everything. When they hired him they wanted any crimes from the last ten years, standard stuff. He goes ahead and lists the above story despite it being past ten years old. They ran him through hoops and by the time they were done, the position he applied for had been filled, but they took him on in a new position that had opened up.

Point being, no one gives a fuck about tech-related crimes unless you're the one actually downloading CP. If you were doing something intelligent, that just so happens to be illegal, but you've been clean for five to eight years and have good references, that TS is possibly. So why not the Marines?

But, of course, standing best solution is to just not give the enemy any ammunition to use against you. If you were not charged, there is nothing to report. If it comes up, you have the references to clear yourself.
Unless they ask specifically about the last time you had to bail yourself out of jail or somesuch, you're fine.

>>33287667
Can someone explain the security clearances and how they work? How interviews with your relatives work? I see a lot of information in this thread that contradicts. I really doubt you will be arrested if they find out you did a drug in the past or you scraped your knee when you were 15 and didn't tell MEPS.

>>33297439
If one reaches Battalion, what's the best way to keep yourself as squared away as possible in order to not get RFS'd?

>>33300341
Assuming you lied about it, that's obstruction of a federal investigation.
5 Years maximum, 20 if drug related.
If you got wavered through then i'm not sure you might be fine.

>>33300433
"obstruction of a federal investigation" =/= recreational drug use

If there was no investigation or charges brought against that Anon and there is no record of his drug use or abuse then its not really obstruction. Maybe they'd find someway to charge him for the drug abuse but I doubt it.

>>33300433
>>33300452
Also, They wouldn't just resort to immediately charging that Anon with a prison sentence. They would counsel him first and talk him through the situation before continuing. I've heard that they give you a moment of truth to clarify anything you may have forgotten to mention or to confess to any fact which you may be intentionally concealing which can disqualify you from gaining security clearance but may not given the circumstance.

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>>33300452
>"obstruction of a federal investigation" =/= recreational drug use
I'm not saying it is.
Pic related is all i'm warning about.

>>33300498
Yeah, the paperwork is big and scary. It's a good warning. People should answer honestly because the security clearance paperwork is vetting you for honest responses. They aren't going to deny you security clearance because you smoked a whole marijuana when you were in high school.

Can you study abroad while in AFROTC?

>>33300511
>They aren't going to deny you security clearance because you smoked a whole marijuana when you were in high school.
That's not what he ask's about.
He asked:
>When getting a TS clearance, if a immediate family member is interviewed and says that you have an alcohol problem in the past or a drug problem in the past, will this disqualify you?
If he got wavered, sure will probably be fine.
If he lied, and he family calls him out on the lie, he might have problems.
That's all.

>>33300192
If you weren't convicted of a crime then there is nothing for them to find out. Literally. No one is asking you if you ever almost got convicted of a crime but weren't really. They ask if you HAVE been.

No one gives a shit about "almost, but not really, but it was close, but no it doesn't count."
Keep your mouth shut, smile, nod, and say no.

>>33300550
What about when they research medical history and find out I had surgery at 12 for something and didn't disclose. The recruiter told me not to. Hypothetical here.

>>33300579
>find out I had surgery at 12
Wont care unless it's something major that DQ's you, like you had medal rods installed in your back or shit like that.

>>33300579
If you read the paperwork it doesn't say they are going to investigate your medical history in its entirety. They usually only investigate your medical history if you answered "yes" to a specific question on the paper relating to you receiving mental health treatment in the past. It's really just there to make sure they aren't giving top secret security clearance to a bipolar schizophrenic.

>>33287667
So, is BUD/S legitimately as hard as it is made out to be or is it just the cold and water that fucks people. (I am aware running is the primary focus)

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>>33288054
>being stationed in Japan or south Korea would be nice

>>33300747
>he doesn't want to see the wannabee-street thug korean boys awkwardly bob around in a club until their appointed song comes on, so they get up and do their synchronized danced, then the song ends and everyone is back to their awkward bobbing until the next group is up.

Can I change my MOS after I already signed my enlistment papers and am one DEP. Want to get into a MOS without security clearance

>About to start phase 1
>Want to find out some answers to questions
>Go on any military forum
>See that people have asked the same questions before
>Click on the threads
>Literally every reply is just some smug, sarcastic non-answer

Why are milifags such shitters?

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>>33300742
It is extremely difficult. The drop rate is I believe about 75+%. Classes usually start with about a hundred recruits and end up with about fifteen or less. The running (sometimes 14 consecutive miles,) surf torture, and instructors all contribute to this. Whereas DIs want you to success, BUD/S instructors will do just about everything in their power to ensure you quit.

And keep in mind, these are not just Average Joes that don't cut it -- they are some of the best in the entire Navy. Just when you think it's over, it gets even harder after that. SQT makes BUD/S look like a fucking Boy Scout weekend getaway.

>>33299012
I want to use the navy to get a substantial career for when I get out, having the ability to be a self sustaining civi, then I'll go for the SF route.

>>33300916
is there no equivalent MOS in the army to the Navy rate you're looking at?

>>33300811
Because if they actually answered questions like
"How are you treated?"
"Do you get much sleep"
"How hard actually is it?"
And other common questions honestly then they wouldn't be able to tell their horror stories about basic because it would be obvious they're bullshitting.

The other option is that they've been out the military for 10+ years and have zero fucking clue what its like so they just bravado rather than admit they're completely ignorant.

>>33300811
>Wanting the surprise to be spoiled to you
Faggot, just endure it already and stop your bitching civvie
>>33300757
Asia sucks because muh curfew
Wish i was in Aviano

>>33301083
>Actually calling someone a civvie
Did you just finish basic or something?

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>>33301097
>imblying
Here you go faggot

>>33301106
>Air Force
>Calling someone else a civvie

>>33301111
>Muhreen
>retard who rapes JNs
>Navy faggot
>O who ARIs
>Army
>Outright mentally retarded
Wait nevermind your a kiddie pool pirate

>>33301120
>I-I'M REAL M-MILITARY I SWEAR! E-EVERYONE ELSE IS J-JUST RETARDED!

You sound like everyone else in the Air Force.

>>33300551

This is not true. The military does care if you were charged. It's why they ask if you were charged, not convicted.

>>33300916

Your plan is dumb. You don't get to both spend your youth building real civilian skills and spend your youth being a coolguy.

If you join the Navy it will be harder to get back into another branch later. If you pull it off, by the time you're done with your SOF shit then anything you learned ten years ago in the Navy isn't going to look good on your resume anymore.

If you want to do SOF, just go do it.

>>33299474
>Marines historically were used for amphibious assaults, where they would take beaches and secure the way for the rest of the branches before moving on,

The Army did the most of this during WW2 and Korea.

>2017
>still voluntarily giving up all control over your life

>>33287667
How fucked am I if I bring one pair of tactical pants to the first couple days of AF BMT.

I literally have no other option for pants other than the two pairs of jeans I own.

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>>33303253
Pic related, although a little more worn.

>>33303253
You'll be alright. You'll stop off at the PX within the first two days.

Anyone know about getting through airport security with non travel size bottles of body wash and shaving supplies to go to BMT? I'm not allowed to check my bags and I'm not allowed to bring travel size containers of toiletries to BMT. Yet I need stuff like body wash, shaving supplies and deodorant.

>>33295891
>>33294919
>>33293564
You can go from barely doing 10 pushups to maxing in three months.

>>33304716
No one fucking cares. Its Air Force, just do whatever and you'll get through. Stop spamming /k/ with your inane aircuck questions.

>>33301106
>Air Force
>military
Pick one. You are a corporation, the most PC of corporations at that.

>>33304813
You should take your kind opinion and shove it up your gaping asshole fat piece of shit.

>>33304826
If you want to get technical, the only two branches the US has is the Navy and the Army.

anyone know if a weed infraction will require a moral waiver? have thought about joining lately but 4 years ago received a ticket/fine for possession of a gram of marijuana.

>>33288406
>sas
>royal marines

>>33302999
>Implying a standard wage slave job is any different.

>>33300388
Not the same guy but I'm from 2nd Batt sooo. Don't hang out with shit bags and be good at PT. Don't be a dumbass and you'll be fine.

>>33287667
>gay
>short
>effeminate
>furry
>wear glasses
will i get bullied in the infantry

Sup, /meg/. So I'm commissioning soon and heading to BOLC right after, and I really want advice from as many people as possible. How do I keep from being that guy?

>>33305310
Not if you go National Guard. Then you'll just get bullied for being Guard

>>33305310
With any luck.

>>33305484
too late for that, already set to ship with a UH contract in june

>>33305493
no u

>>33305523
More info, if you have it. I can only speak for Army:

Mostly, just harden the fuck up. Infantry shits love to bully, but this is new Army and nobody will lay a finger on you. Why? Because PSG doesn't want to go handing out Knifehands over it, an EO/SHARP incident is a career ended for the PL's, and top just plain doesn't want to deal with it

>>33305607
maybe the marins will send me through a few cycles of tumble dry :DDDD

>>33305200
How high speed is the batt?

>>33298136

Thanks, Ive been getting a lot of conflicting information about this and I didnt want to ask the recruiter for fear of him telling me to fuck off

I'm trying to wrap my head around this weird non-AF POG mentality that simultaneously shits on grunts while being mad about the Air Force. Here is how I understand the logic:

>Recognize that POGs get put through the same sort of fuck-fuck games and in today's environment are as likely to see action when they get hit by insurgents as some random grunt while still having shit to do when not on deployment. They recognize that having skills applicable outside of the military is valuable and prefer to do that rather than infantry.

Simultaneously

>Hate on the Air Force and call it "PC" and "Corporate" because it doesn't incorporate grunts given that JTACs, PJs, CCTs, SOWTs etc are elite enough not to count as grunts. Since it's either POG life or SOF at the enlisted level, and morale and welfare is great, then it is somehow "soft".

What kind of double-think bullshit is this? I get not wanting to be a grunt, I get preferring to be in the Air Force if you aren't trying to be infantry, and I also understand wanting to be in the infantry, but this just rams my skull with cognitive dissidence when I try and wrap my mind around it.

>>33306046
sir, please clam down

>>33306203
Is it true the air force calls every enlisted rank "sir" even though it is against their own regs? That's weird as fuck. Is there a historical reason behind it?

>>33304969
Will need waiver but not hard to get.
>>33304716
Women don't belong in the military. Find a husband.

I've been thinking of joining the Navy after graduating college. I'd have a degree in comp sci and a minor in español. I don't really have a reason to do it other than for the experiences and I like ships I guess.
Good/bad idea? Any thoughts?

>>33306299
>BMT
Air Force isn't military. He'll likely find a husband.

>>33306335
tfw no cuteboy airman bf

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Anyone know how to get the Marines to release my records to the Army? Did all the paperwork to do it but the Marines are dragging their feet on giving it. I was a DEP loss for them so they're probably salty about that/don't give enough of a fuck to give the records.

>>33306517
Make friendly with one of the fat black female Marines that works admin.

>>33291736
you have to make e-4 before you can go MARSOC and 03xx promotes slow as shit, which means he will have to wait ~4 years until he even gets a chance to tryout.

>>33306676

It's actually ~3 years typically, Marines promote on a faster schedule than the other branches but MARSOC is fucky. You actually can get through their pipeline more quickly if you go in on a Recon contract and then have only the basic modules and the language (and possibly advanced language) training to through.

I'm not 100% on this since they may have changed it recently, but they at least used to cycle MARSOC back into the main force after three years, so they'd train most of these guys through a year long pipeline then deploy them twice before letting the training go to waste.

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>>33306046
Imagine you ace the SAT and get accepted to any college in the country. Obviously, you would choose a very prestigious school which would benefit the rest of your life.

The Air Force is that prestigious school. Only you're forced to be part of the same family as people who attended Clown College and now chastise you for going to Yale.

Sit back, bomb some Hajis, and let haters hate.

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>>33305310
to add to this, how would this affect my advancement to an NCO any other sort of leadership position?

i know on paper that they cant discriminate based on x y z etc, but is there still a culture of disdain for fags when it comes to choosing leaders? any advice is helpful, specifically marin corpus would be great

additional information: i'm not "open" about being a fag but i don't actively try to conceal it either. i look fairly effeminate but i definitely don't act it. i'm basically a fuckin hick that drives a big pickup trick and has a small penis

>>33306853
Don't tell people you're a faggot. That's literally it. They will never find out any other way. If they do say something, you tell them that it's none of their business.

If you're going around telling other enlisted men about your bedroom behavior then that's on you.

>>33306853
>>33306908
Also, just an aside, but I guarantee you will not be alone. A lot of infantry guys, ESPECIALLY in the Marines, smoke the pole.

>>33306795

Welp, you just put that in the exact language that I needed to understand it. Thank you very much.

>>33306908
>>33306924
so would it really affect me receiving any sort of leadership position provided i meet all of the other prerequisites?
and yeah, i don't go around and tell people that i chow down on the twig and berries, but it just seems like something that's pretty hard to conceal, especially since i dont have to try to conceal it today's military.
from what i've been told, there's no privacy as a junior enlisted in the barracks, so i'm just trying to figure out how it would affect me career-wise when, eventually, some people figure out somethings queer with me

for the record, i would never fuck a male enlistee. i have some standards.

>>33306299
How the fuck do you equate women in the military to a question regarding people traveling through the TSA to BMT.

Fucking cuck.

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>Graduating with a STEM degree and a decent GPA
>Want to apply for OCS or enlist depending on the branch
>Took anti depressants and adderall for a year, five years ago when I was 17.
Am I pretty much boned here or what?

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>>33287667
Do they make you do this in the Army?

https://youtu.be/zOjQge03CwI?t=6m16s

Do I need to learn Muay Thai before I go there?

>>33307400
This is Naval Aviation specific, but I think that your stuff is waiverable.

http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Pages/AeromedicalReferenceandWaiverGuide.aspx

>>33307738

You barely learn anything at all in the military doing hand to hand. Some intelligence officers and SOF have to learn better stuff, but everyone else learns just enough to get themselves into trouble in a real fight.

>>33307114
No. Any CO who denied you a promotion based upon that would be in so much hot water he'd be spending the rest of his military career with lobsters.

Military is a job like anything else.

>>33306517
get a copy of your records and give it to them personally

>>33305477
Bump?

I told my family I plan on enlisting after I finish hs this year and my father almost had a stroke. Since I'm 18 I don't need his approval for it, but he and my brother raised some concerns that I want clarified to see if it's true or not.

1) Even if you sign a contract for a POG job they can decide to make you do I infantry or fighting instead

2) If war breaks out in say Syria, I'll be sent to fight even if I'm not in a combat related job prior to the war

3) Most guys that enlist after hs fucking hate it and want out as soon as possible

4) The military will make you their bitch and you essentially sign over your rights to them for the length of the contract

5) The people that enlist have are worse than niggers and white trash in regards to how society views them and what kind of people they are

6) The Post - 9/11 GI Bill isn't worth it and it's difficult to get to use

7) Recruiters are lying salesman that just tell you these things that we hear from them to get their bonuses for your enlistment

If anyone can answer any one of the questions from this blog post that would help a lot

>>33308037
It's my MEPS records the Army Office at MEPS needs. Can I still somehow get those records?

>>33308192
>1) Even if you sign a contract for a POG job they can decide to make you do I infantry or fighting instead

True. The military can reassign you to whatever they like per their needs; however, it's uncommon, since there's never a shortage of men who want combat jobs.

>2) If war breaks out in say Syria, I'll be sent to fight even if I'm not in a combat related job prior to the war

Maybe true. If you, say, load bombs onto planes, you'll need to go where the bombs and planes are, but you'll never leave the wire.

>3) Most guys that enlist after HS fucking hate it and want out as soon as possible

Not entirely true. Some love it and some hate it. It depends on too many factors to count.

>4) The military will make you their bitch and you essentially sign over your rights to them for the length of the contract

Completely true.

>5) The people that enlist have are worse than niggers and white trash in regards to how society views them and what kind of people they are

Untrue. American society, by and large, respects veterans, regardless of whether they were officers or enlisted.

>6) The Post - 9/11 GI Bill isn't worth it and it's difficult to get to use

Untrue. It's a fantastic benefit and it's no harder to get than anything else. If you're smart enough to go to college, you're smart enough to fill out forms correctly.

>7) Recruiters are lying salesman that just tell you these things that we hear from them to get their bonuses for your enlistment

Definitely true. Remember to advocate for yourself at the recruiter's. If you want MOS X, get a contract for MOS X, don't let them smooth-talk you into an open contract with promises of "first slot that opens up is yours." Never be afraid to walk away from the table, never be afraid to find a different recruiter.

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>>33308192

1. Yes. Will they? prolly not
2. See above
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Debatable
7. Definite Yes

>>33308192
>1) Even if you sign a contract for a POG job they can decide to make you do I infantry or fighting instead

No, at least for the Army you sign up for your exact job in ink on your contract. Exceptions being "high speed" jobs like SF, EOD, Ranger, etc where there is a selection process- for those if you fail you go "needs of the army" MOS.

>2) If war breaks out in say Syria, I'll be sent to fight even if I'm not in a combat related job prior to the war
Umm, I mean, yeah guys gets deployed when there is war. But they won't up and change your job. If you are a POG admin bitch, you get deployed as a POG admin bitch, not infantry.

>3) Most guys that enlist after hs fucking hate it and want out as soon as possible
Some people love it, some people hate it.

>4) The military will make you their bitch and you essentially sign over your rights to them for the length of the contract
That's pretty much the deal, yeah.

>5) The people that enlist have are worse than niggers and white trash in regards to how society views them and what kind of people they are
Literally wut?

>6) The Post - 9/11 GI Bill isn't worth it and it's difficult to get to use
It's easy as fuck to use and I find having college paid for + living expenses every month to be pretty sweet

>7) Recruiters are lying salesman that just tell you these things that we hear from them to get their bonuses for your enlistment
This is absolutely true. Double check everything a recruiter tells you, never make a momentary choice under pressure while they lean on you, and triple check the paperwork before you sign it- the paperwork is the only thing that matters.

>>33298995
>
10 months left on my navy contract. Just join the fucking army if thats what you want to do, there's no rangers here.

>>33306046
The POG vs grunt, Army vs Marines vs Navy vs Air Force vs Coast Guard stuff is very easy to understand if you put it in the following terms:

You will tease your own brother mercilessly. You'll play cruel pranks on him. You'll call him a faggot in front of his friends;
but the second someone else does anything close to that to your brother, you'll cram your fist down that guy's throat.

All that shit-talk is by military for military. If you're civilian and you attempt it, the best you can possibly come off is ignorant.

So I got cancer will I be able to join once it goes away in winter

>>33308501
>All that shit-talk is by military for military. If you're civilian and you attempt it, the best you can possibly come off is ignorant.

Aw man, the JROTC kiddies on campus are the fucking worst for that shit. Well between their sincere branch rivalry and their nitpicking about terms and stupid regulations shit like call out some military movie when a dude on a tiny ass FOB doesn't take his hat off when running indoors. Augh. Just want to slap the shit out of people sometimes.

>>33306747

>Marines promote on a faster schedule than the other branches

Not in the infantry(unless you're an 0352). Cutting scores are usually 1650+. Where do you think the term "terminal lance" came from? Most of the guys I knew on 4 year contracts got out as e-3s, and I only picked up e-4 10 days before I went on terminal leave. It was still enough time to get fucked with barracks duty 3 times in 10 days though. Fuckers got their money's worth out of me right up to the end.

>>33300916
Also learning how to use technology that was built in the 80's doesn't hold a lot of weight on the outside.

>>33308545
>Aw man, the JROTC kiddies on campus are the fucking worst for that shit.

They make the very worst officers too. Must be something about signing up for something when you're seventeen, spending four years in college becoming a completely different person, then being told that scholarship has strings attached.

>>33308535
So long as you don't have cancer when you go in you're fine.

>>33308680
Great that's good news thanks.

>>33304873
you're not wrong...

>>33287667
guys i got drunk and got a marine logo tattooed on my back before i head to basic, how fucked am i

>>33308823
When I was at basic training there was a recruit with a moto tattoo on his shoulder, an EGA with the motto "Mess with the best, die like the rest" underneath it.

We all told him to make sure none of the hats saw it which, of course, means they found out about it immediately.

That guy got so much special attention that we honestly thought he was going to kill himself before graduation.

So considering enlisting in either the navy (for SWCCC) or in the Army for Op40. Can anyone link me to good workouts to start getting myself prepped. Haven't even talked to a recruiter yet so I have plenty of time to prepare.

>>33309098
Also how operator is SWCCC? Do they get deployed as much as the Rangers or do they mostly sit around.

>>33309111
You obviously havent done any info

>>33308823
>>33308859
holy fucking lel.

>>33309111
>>33309098
My advice is try out Infantry first and see if you are actually a capable human being then attempt ranger school later on because you don't want to go head on with ranger school without prepping first because you will fail out and feel like a bitch.

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Do Security Forces get deployed more than other classifications?
How hard is it to get cross trained by request? Say I go in for X and want to cross train for Y, can I put in a request? Or is cross training assigned by the chain of command?

Can I write BORN TO KILL on my helmet

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>>33309267
Welcome to the next 4 years of your life, idiot.

>>33307904
sorry if i'm not being really clear but obviously no CO would put "sodomite" as the official reason for passing a heathen like me up; i wanted to know if there is still some sort of internal bias against gays culturally. I'd imagine most of those SNCOs were serving before don't ask, don't tell was repealed so perhaps there could be some sort of bias. hell, even my own dad was against repealing DA-DT when he took part in the DOD survey.

>>33309267

SecFo has a few coolguy specialties that are hard as fuck to get into.

What do you actually want to do?

>>33309328
I want to enlist as SF doing this basically >>33309296 but cross train to gain valuable skills and training while I'm in

and maybe shoot isis if they approach or the time comes

>>33309493

>valuable skills and training
>while secfo

Not really likely. You're better off not cross training and just doing something with valuable skills and training directly.

Had my interview today
Medical next
And then hopefully an offer

>>33309701
Good luck, Hope it goes well for you.

Anyone here have experience as a yeoman? It sounds fun but I'm not entirely sure. All I know is that they're in charge of approving everything people do that requires paperwork and that sounds enjoyable.

Are there any navy jobs where you do programming?

What sub jobs are the best jobs? Can I be a yeoman on a sub?

>>33309947
>sub job
Why would you even want this?

>>33309921
Thanks mate, I think I need it

>>33310031
Same man, I go to MEPS soon. I feel you.

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Is surviving in combat mostly luck, or is there some skill earned from experience that helps to keep seasoned combatants alive?

>>33310129
>Combat
What is this? 1942?

If you're hit by an IED, you're hit by an IED
The biggest casualty group are truck drivers for a reason

It's luck every time
Everyone gets the same training and equally fears their own death

>>33305814
At times it can be awesome and at times you'll be wondering what the fuck you are doing with your life

>>33309997
Subs are really, really cool. The idea of being below the ocean, cut off from the world, watching everything and being seen by nothing is fucking awesome. Living with a tight knit crew like a small family is also super cool. Plus the bonus pay isn't bad either.

Ultimately its the cool factor of doing something not many people can stomach in the world, its like being an astronaut, you're literally living deep beneath the ocean in a machine getting crushed on all sides armed to the brim with the greatest weaponry mankind has to offer.

>>33310217
What is the typical, "wtf am i doing with my life" moment?

>>33310244
It sounds cool until you divorce it from the circumstances

In reality, you live in an office building made for Hobbits
It's also under the sea, but you never get to know that
All you know is that your bunk is 5' feet long and the hallways are 1'6'' wide

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What is the difference between the amount of training Marines receive and the amount of training Soldiers receive?

I've heard they're just about equal in every way, except Marines have a reputation for being much "harder."

>>33310129
Skill and organzation are very important. As is knowing how to immediately react when shit goes down. People are a lot more likely to die if a unit falls to paralyzation or chais when attacked initially. A unit which quickly and properly responds to a threat takes fewer casualties.

Also knowing about your area by finding reports or experienced people will let you know what habits the enemy has and how to side step them.

>>33310292
Go to the gym and lift your max
Then try to lift just 5 lbs more

That's your difference
It doesn't seem like much, but at your limit, even an ounce more is a ton

>>33310321
To add to that question: how much better/worse is officer life in the two branches?

>>33310292
>Reputation
Its self-promotion. Tbqh, the combat Marines who had some experience were fine to work with, even with Army counterparts. The boot Marines ir the POG Marines tebd to drink the Kool-Aid hard abd are unbearable. Its interesting to watch a neverdeployed boot Marine call himself "basically Special Forces" to a multi-deployed Army guy.

>>33310258
Sitting at work for hours with nothing to do because 1st sausage doesn't want to release us yet. Jumping a full combat load and hitting the tarmac at the speed of light will make you pissed pretty fast too

>>33310343
>Marine Officer
Who needs 'em?
You're trying for Marine Officer? Ok, welcome to 3 positions a year with 1000 applicants
Be that top percentile

>>33310359
Would you say that your time in the batt was worth it? Is the brotherhood really there and not just a exaggeration?

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Who would win in a fight between these two?

got denied because i took add meds for too long, even though ive been off for several years and can function just fine. So stupid.

>>33310446
Really?
In Canada, they say they don't care about your past so long as you don't do that shit while employed

>>33310381
Yes and no. It's been crippled by shitty leadership. At least in my company. It's a good stepping stone for other things though

>>33310446
Your first mistake was mentioning that you took add medication in the past.

>>33310446
Damn i plan on doing a op 40 contract after i graduate college. I smoke weed for about 3 semesters in total and then i quit cold turkey.
I guess i can say bye bye to my dreams

>>33310490
A good stepling for things like what? Going SF or some civi govt job?

>>33310513
Talk to your recruiter about it. Unless you have a written, recorded history of illegal or legal marijuana use then you don't have anything to worry about.

What are some media (e.g. books, movies, TV) that can prepare you for boot/basic/military life?

>>33310505

nah. Id most likely go for a ts clearance job and I wouldnt want it to come back and fuck me. plus id probably shoot for a retirement too. already have degree and not just going in for school. retire at 50 would be nice. im gonna try again in 6 mo or a year and keep trying till they tell me to fuck off

>>33310624
Were you DQed from MEPS or denied your security clearance?

>>33310670
meps

>>33310692
why even bring it up if it was several years? MEPS doesn't care as long as it isn't current. The people investigating your security clearance may not have even denied your clearance would not even deny you if it really was as you say several years ago. They even specify in the contracts that unless it was in the last 7 years that it doesn't matter.

>>33310540
>Talk to your recruiter about it
I've heard various responses about this from various buds in the service, some telling me not to say anything and some saying to come clean. Some of my friends tell me if there is no record then there is no point in telling the recruiter, is that true? Because I've heard some recruiters will tell you to fuck off if you admit to past use. Not quite sure what to do, not that anon so I'm aiming for just a secret clearance if that helps.

>>33310286

Actual submariner here. I'm 5'10" and fit in the racks lengthwise fine. Anyone over 6'2" is probably gonna have to bed their legs. My boat is one of the most cramped there is (Seawolf class, crew living was an afterthought in the design) and the passageways are slightly more narrow than my shoulder width. I'm fucking wide though since I bodybuild.

Subs are hit or miss. Solace is found in the mutual hatred. Submarining sucks, nobody will disagree with that, but you develop tight bonds with people in a way nobody in the civilian world (and few in the military) will ever understand. However, if you're a fucking cunt, everyone will hate you and you will be miserable and kill yourself.

It's also not easy to qualify since you're treated as a subhuman until you earn your fish. Kids who were coddled by their parents have a hard time with being pulled out of a rack despite having not slept for the past 3 days just because a qualified individual wants to sleep. Many break.

I love my job (Sonar Tech) but I would never recommend it to anyone else because I have extra chromosomes. If you aren't a special kind of retard, you will hate submarining to the point of ending your life to get out of it.

>>33311597
Is it true that sonars just listen to retard shit allday and hope that one of those retard noises is an enemy?

>>33311620

No. Only one watch station in sonar actual hears what's going on. The others *should* but we unplug our headphones. It's pretty rare to hear the enemy, we're actually just continuously scanning our displays looking for enemy frequencies.

It's super boring for most, but I really enjoy it. Best part of sonar is the conversations. Trap 5 dudes in a tiny room for 8 hours at a time while said tiny room is submerged hundreds of feet underwater, it gets pretty wild in there. On GNs sonar is right above the CO stateroom, had the captain come up and tell us to stop screaming and laughing during the midwatch while talking about the absolute youngest we'd be willing to go if age of consent laws didn't exist. That's pretty mild as far as shack discussions go.

>>33311387
How are you just aiming for a security clearance? The clearance you receive from the military will become revoked after your service contract ends. You won't be able to use that clearance for anything else. Security Clearances require a sponsor and that sponsor has to be related to or an agent of the department of defense. Also, it depends on the recruiters own morality stance on prior drug use and if you have drug charges in this past this will make it extremely difficult to get a security clearance let alone into the military.

>>33310292
Marines run farther and shoot farther on quals.

>>33311597
Sounds like it would be hard to tell if you'd enjoy being on a sub until you actually get on a sub and meet your crew. I want to be a part of it though from what you're describing. Its not so much the particular job on a sub that I find appealing. I want to become a member of a tight knit crew that's closer than family. I've only really had a few friends in my life that I've considered real friends but I'm still friends with them today at the age of 26. The only reason I can consider them real friends is because I believe they understand me for who I am when I'm just being me as opposed to normal everyday interaction.

They're the type of friends I can argue with about the dumbest shit, getting actually angry, and at the end of the day I know for certain that they'll literally be my friend forever.

If I could have an entire crew like that then the job doesn't really matter.

>>33311694
Secret clearance is different from top secret clearance.

One is like, flight landing codes as an air control coordinator. The other is like, working on any job on a submarine requires top secret clearance.

>>33312619
From what I've found out from this general top secret clearance involves them checking out most of your history to make sure they know where you've been and that you haven't left the country at any point to join a foreign government.

Basically top secret requires a complete background check/evaluation, foreign affiliation checks, and personal interview questions by investigators.

>check in for flight to San Antonio
>Lady upgrades me last minute to comfort+ on my first flight from Bradley to Detroit and 1st class on my second flight from Detroit to San Antonio.

Joining the AF was the hardest thing I've ever done.

>>33287667
does anyone in the British army have any experience for the royal artillery

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In reply to this post from the last thread, where I asked if not mentioning some stuff would be best. (my post has MC Yumi)

Rundown of me. On paper, at the only hospital I have ever used in my life, I have: 25 degree scoliosis I was not specified on where, but I believe thoracic.
Situational depression in teenage years from abusive home situation. May have taken SSRI's briefly, misdiagnosed as chemical as I was afraid to reveal I was being abused at the time. Honestly, I forget a lot of those years as I try to forget them.

Use a counselor at college since I pay for it with tuition anyways so it's throwing money away to not use.

Would neglecting to mention these even though they are documented fuck me over regularly for Secret clearance? Would it come up in Top Secret Clearance checks even though I am tight lipped as fuck about my private life and medical history to even my closest friends?

If for some freak reason the scoliosis, which does not physically hinder me, becomes an issue, can they pull my medical records without my consent?

>>33310526
Both

>>33312619

Not quite. SECF jobs (STS, FT, ETV and ETR) require TS clearance eventually, but you can be an MMA and MMW without ever getting TS clearance. Really, only supervisory tactical watch stations require it, almost nobody in lower level watches with the exception of radiomen interact with TS material.

>>33312611

It can go both ways. Not everyone is gonna be your friend, there will be guys you absolutely hate and guys who absolutely hate you. It isn't all sunshine and rainbows, it comes down to you. Are you a likeable person most people get along with? If yes, you'll be fine. If you're captain autism and only get along with other autismos, you'll be friends with the losers of the boat and everyone else will shit on you constantly.

>>33313245
Other Anon here wondering about a visit to Uni counselor a year ago due to not knowing what I'm doing with my life. No real diagnosis and no meds, but there might be a record of that one visit.
Should I be concerned?

>>33311597
Do you pick up a lot of bio noise down there?
Is it recorded and kept in storage?

>>33311597
>Subs are hit or miss. Solace is found in the mutual hatred. Submarining sucks, nobody will disagree with that, but you develop tight bonds with people in a way nobody in the civilian world (and few in the military) will ever understand. However, if you're a fucking cunt, everyone will hate you and you will be miserable and kill yourself.

This has got me thinking; are there any actual statistics on submariners who have killed themselves?

>>33313931
>bios
>bios
>bios
>dolphin going down on a whale
>bios
For six out of every eighteen hours.

Any of you faggots cops? How in depth are the BG checks? Do they interview friends/family?

>>33314572
Veterans or active duty? Only every once in a while do you hear about some dummy suck-starting an M9 and decorating crew's mess with his brain matter. Usually a nub that can't handle shit just goes to Doc & says "i'm sad" and they get a medical discharge. Sub Vets I doubt are any more or less likely than other vets to commit sudoku. Usually has something to do with alcohol. Had two friendos whack themselves within a week of each other, and both had been out for a while, both big drinkers. At least one of them had been using those shitty hair pills that make you depressed, or so his mom told me.

>>33314699
I was thinking more active duty but

>Only every once in a while do you hear about some dummy suck-starting an M9 and decorating crew's mess with his brain matter. Usually a nub that can't handle shit just goes to Doc & says "i'm sad" and they get a medical discharge.

kind of answers my question. I can't imagine anyone willing to become a submariner.

I'm trying for an 19k in the Army as an Abram's crew member anything I should do to prepare for it?

>>33310244

If you can get past the idea of not speaking to your family or seeing sunlight for months at a time, and still think it sounds cool, then maybe you are autistic enough to be a submariner.
Plenty of programming stuff in the navy in intel. Look into nuke or sonar tech if you're smart and having a technically challenging job sounds appealing.

To be honest the Navy needs more spergs who actually want to do the technically intensive jobs on subs. Plus Nukes get ridiculous signing bonuses since no one wants to do it.

>>33310217

Not the same guy, but I want to be a ranger. What are your tips for preparing for RASP? I have been using the stats on the SEAL/SWCC as a guide for my work outs cause I havent found an equivalent for rangers.

What did you do to prepare for the running? (Run obviously). But how many miles per week? What was your 2 mile time before shipping? Did you focus more on distance in your workouts or speed?

Also do you recommend any literature for aspiring rangers?

>>33314697
Bump

I'm pretty much like this guy >>33312611, one of the big reasons why I want to enlist is because I want to make lifelong friends.

I don't want to join the navy, though, because submarines don't interest me.
Should I go 11B or something? I'm not really into technical stuff.

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If I gt diagnosed with depression/anxiety and ADD in high school can I go into the military 5 years later no longer suffering? Can I get proof or something I am no longer in that condition?

>>33316518
Get your doctor to clear you. After a year you're eligible.

Hi, never been here.
I've been thinking I want to be an army helicopter pilot, how hard would it be to do that?
>21
>have shit vision but contacts/glasses fix it
>not in shape but can be

>>33316734
For all of those?
having a doctor clear me and then waitin a year was never mentioned in any of the articles I read.

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>>33315698
Just go delta, its a lot easier than rangers.

Common question,
Did I fuck myself? I told them I had my appendix removed, got a waiver for it.
However I guess the hospital has a fuckton of visits from me from when I was younger and didn't have a PCP. If my MOS requires a TS security clearance will they see all those visits and grill me about them? There were at least a dozen visits and I don't remember a single one. Most likely I had a cough and a sneeze, but I literally can't account for all of them. Will it be an issue?

>>33317036

You don't remember and they'll probably never know. If they do know, then you didn't remember.

>>33317044
Okay, thank you.
I didn't want to worry that I'd lose my MOS because of such a trivial reason.

>>33313698
As far as guys go I get along with pretty much everyone I've ever met. In school I never worried about seating arrangements and teachers hated seating for me because I'd be bullshitting with everyone around me within a day or two regardless of who it was. I've never been able to romance girls though I always get instantly friend zoned, that's never really bothered me though, from hearing friends complaining romance is overrated.

>>33316734
Where did you get this?

>>33291125
still have it

>>33300192
you got more laptops?

>>33316861
There's waivers for just about everything. As long as you don't need medication for anything you should be fighting fit.

MEPS also has extremely limited access to your civilian medical records, if any at all, so I doubt they'll drudge up anything.

t. Prozac recipient of 5 years

>>33315698
Push-ups, sit ups, chin ups, and run. Don't worry about rucking unless you are a skeletor. 2 milers don't mean shit in Regiment. We do 5 milers with a time standard of 40min or below. Just get out and run. Biking helps too

>>33317579
I'm going for a position with ts/sci clearance, will that change anything?

>>33317633
>Just get out and run.
Not him, but how often can you run without injury?
Can I run every day or will I end up hurting myself?
Tried doing push/pullups daily, stopped on day 4, non-voluntarily.

>>33309493
>SF
You fags call your gate guards "SF"?

>>33318721

You fags want everyone to conform their abbreviations to yours when they have no relevance to their daily routines?

>>33317633

Thanks man, I appreciate the advice

Just got a 96 on my ASVAB. What's the hardest MOS to get in the Army?

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>>33287667
taking the BU3 exam tomorrow, wish me luck fellow boot E-3s
>>33288054
Red Horse

>>33288162
West coast seabee battalions in normal non-contingency deployments usually have main body deployed to Okinawa with detachments going all over asia