Alright so I'm looking for a pocket size handgun for conceal

>>33278814
1911 Chambered in 9mm
or a glock

>>33278814
P-64 ;)

Sig p230

>>33278814
Welrod

>>33279140
The Sig p230/232 Which is 9mm Makarov, (9x18) oppose to the 9mm that most handguns use that's 9x19. Even though its less common it's surprisingly cheap to buy ammunition for, looks like the look but shoots a 9mm a little more powerful than 380

>>33279155
dank meme (^:

>>33278814
I own a PPK/S and it's not too great. You won't really find a straight blow back fixed barrel pistol that's in 9x19 Para. Just get a Russian or Bulgarian Makarov chambered in 9x18. They have hollow point ammo available, its cheaper to shoot 9x18, and it's a better round than 380 ACP in every single way.

TL;DR just buy a makarov in 9x18.

>>33279238
Nt op but whats the best mak to buy? Everyone made them at somepoint right

>>33278814
seecamp

Op is talking about a pistol that looks like a ppk but not mechanically the same

There must be ppk clone pistols that shoots 9mm

>>33279161
Actually the P230 /P232 fires 9mm kurz which is just a fancy way of saying 380 ACP.

>>33280628
Just get a Bersa and deal with the .380, it's a pocket gun.

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>>33278814
Get an R-51. I heard the new ones work really well.

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Bersa makes a model called a Thunder 9 Ultra Compact

I don't know much of anything about it, but its made to look like the same line as the regular Thunders/copys of PPKs

>>33278814
>PPK
>posts S&W PPK/S
>doesn't want .32 ACP
>fags saying "just buy a makarov :))"

this thread is fucking cancer

>>33281235
Except the 9mm ultra is a different form of a 9mm and not the same as the nato version of the 9mm.

Just like how the 9mm makarov isn't the same as the 9mm due to their size being different

>>33281202
>Remington

Yeah if they are still own by the original conpany and not the new one that focus more on quantity instead of quality

>>33281973

Are you actually retarded or just pretending?

>>33281973
You are absolutely correct, but your statement is still categorically retarded as the thunder pro ultra compact uses parabellum rounds

>>33281988

I think it's the samefag who started this thread:
>>33281646

So yeah actually retarded.

>>33281235

NO BERSA !!!

CRAP ALERT !!!

50% FAIL RATE

so add $150 shipping to your bersa cost for 2x trips to gunsmith before they replace the gun, then repeat

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>>33282087

>Taurus butt hurt that another South American company makes good firearms that are cheaper than their own assembly line abortions

>>33281235
Yeah except those need a key to unlock them just like the today's smith and wesson revolvers does.

>>33282153
I love the look of that fucking gun.

I have the opportunity to buy a mint p5c for almost nothing here in norway.
should I buy it instead of a competition rigged tanfo stock 3?

>>33282193

nein

sadly i took the risk and bought 1 of those sexy foreign numbers

nothing but trouble

feed fails, grip screws fell out, slide releases insert magazine, magazines eject when firing

so yeah i lost confidence in that brand....

butt hey it's your $$ spend it and see if you are lucky

lol

>>33282353

When was this? I own bersas, have sold dozens (work inna fun counter) and haven't heard anything negative, even with online reviews.

Are you just a ham planet that hits the mag release when firing?

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>>33278814
sig p938
makarov
compact 1911 in 9mm

>>33278814
Lucky for you the PPK comes chambered in 9mm Kurz!

>>33282520
>>33278814
>>33279025
Was just about to post this.

>P938

Literally the smallest practical 9mm I've found. Most of the subcompacts are bigger than you think in person, and that picture shows it. Not far off a G26.

The 938 is a tiny thing. Basically a 1911, has that style of controls. It can be a real son of a bitch to shoot. But it's the only full 9mm that actually comes close to the .380 sizes.

I wish there were more, as I'm in the same boat as you are for the sizes and the caliber. But so far there's the 938.

Don't like it, look at Makarovs, maybe a CZ-82. As said, it's a bit more powerful than .380 but at the same sizes, and they're generally cheap, too.

Okay which gun is best?

The makarov or the walther ppk?

>>33282600
I'm looking at a p938 currently. When you say it's a bitch to shoot, do you mean it's recoil? Or is there some other factor? I really do like the look of that gun, but for the extra $250 over a glock 43 or kahr pm9, it had better be worth it.

Obviously the fact that it's not polymer is a good start. It's smaller, it has a safety, etc. But do other small profile guns suffer from similar shooting issues?

>>33283881
>guys, what's better, an ugly as fuck shitty knockoff of a terrific german design or a terrific german design?

>>33283881
>>33283981
mak for 9mm
ppk for 7.65mm

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Sig p938

>>33283964
Well, yeah. The .380 takes it a little bit because they're shooting a lower pressure round. 9mm is really high pressure. In bigger guns it's nothing, but in something like a 938 it can get jumpy. That's just a product of the single stacks, though, it can be just as bad with any of the polymer ones.

Really, it's why Hogue grips and Talon Grips exist, just get some of that if you have a problem. It's worth it for the size, I'd say.

>>33279820
Russian, Bulgarian, or East German. Those are the only true makarovs, the Polish, Hungarian, and other copies just look similar but are not maks

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>>33278814

No, the Walther's action can't handle the pressure from 9mm.

If you want a small 9mm, the Sig P938 is the way to go; but be advised its a single action with a manual safety (like a M1911) so you'll need to train to instinctually flip off the safety when you draw it.

>>33284541
This might be a dumb question, but what happens if you're pulling the hammer back and release it before it locks in place? I've never quite understood hammer-fired pistols, and I've always been concerned about that.

How does one decock it? And is carrying with the safety off more dangerous than carrying a gun without a safety? With most polymer, striker fired guns, the trigger is the ONLY way that it's going to fire. Is this the case with the p938? And if so, why not ditch the safety altogether?

I really like the gun, but I also really like carrying without a safety on. Is it just stupid to carry this thing without having it locked?

>>33282474

recently

just my gdamn bad luck i suppose

it was a double stack 380 thunder and crap from the 1st range trip

wasted $$ shipping to gunsmith they wanted me to ship it again fuck that

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>>33284707
The difference on the hammer guns is the physical hammer. Physically, they have something that can get smashed into the action if the safety's off, so that's something. They usually have a plate to prevent that, but still. On top of that, they usually have a really light trigger.

The polymers like Glocks and the like have "safeties" in the triggers. They're harder to pull the trigger on to justify the lack of manual safety. They usually have some sort of hinge or lever on the trigger that needs to be depressed for it to work, as well as longer trigger pulls to prevent it getting pulled on accident.

Manual safety guns, again, often don't have that. Strikers are also internal mechanisms.

Basically, it's just the way it is, it's a doctrinal difference. If it's external and hammer, use a manual safety to be sure. If it's internal and striker, the mechanisms exist that it isn't quite necessary.

I kind of just talked in circles by the end, but I hope that helps.

Also, if it slips that shouldn't quite be enough to set it off. A lot also have a half-cock it would stop at if dropped, so there's that.

>>33284707
>but what happens if you're pulling the hammer back and release it before it locks in place?

many pistols have a firing pin safety which prevents the firing pin from moving all the way. p938 included.

>How does one decock it?
its a SAO gun so no decocker, decocking is done by pulling the trigger.

> is carrying with the safety off more dangerous than carrying a gun without a safety?
yes, never ever carry a single action only gun without the safety engaged. the only thing preventing firing is a super light trigger. striker pistols usually have really heavy triggers as a safety measure, just like DA pistols with their heavy DA pull.

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>>33284707

>but what happens if you're pulling the hammer back and release it before it locks in place?

It won't fire.

>How does one decock it?

You empty the chamber, remove the magazine and pull the trigger.

You can manually let the hammer down with a round in the chamber by using your thumb to let the hammer down while you pull the trigger; but that's dangerous. If you don't keep hold of the hammer then the gun will fire and you'll break your thumb when the slide goes back. And really there's no reason to do it.

>And is carrying with the safety off more dangerous than carrying a gun without a safety?

Single action triggers are light (which makes them enjoyable to shoot) so they'll go off with out much pressure if you bump it. The M1911 does have a grip safety as an added safety feature (it won't fire unless you're gripping the gun properly); but the Sig P938 doesn't have a grip safety. Regardless carrying a single action without the manual safety on is dangerous.

If you've got a double action single action or a double action only you don't need the manual safety on to carry it; but with a single action only its really dumb not to.

>>33284787
>>33284811

Ah, thanks. I think I get it now. The striker fired guns have heavier triggers and a trigger safety, but the hammer fired guns have a lighter trigger, and thus the thumb safety becomes the 'failsafe' for that light trigger.

I suppose I could just get used to disengaging the trigger quickly. I think both methods have their up-sides and down-sides. Thanks for explaining it.

>>33284707
For whatever reason, no one brought up the feature of "half-cock." All hammers have a half cock setting that is a safety feature for if you accidentally let go of the hammer before you have cocked it all the way. The hammer stops before going all the way to the firing pin.

All modern handguns do have firing pin block safeties also, so the half cock is just a secondary safety feature.

>>33278814
Honestly if you use the right loads (Anything with an XTP bullet, Lehigh Defense stuff) .380 is perfectly capable for defensive use.

>>33285009
Except the 380 doesn't kill reliably anymore nore does it penetrate through denim clothing or thick layer of jacket.

Hell a crazed black roid pumping tyrone from prison won't drop from 380 nor will a crackhead meth injecting maniac.

>>33283881
Makarov, simpler gun, higher capacity, better grip

>>33284918
Oh, thanks. I wasn't aware of that. I'm feeling better about getting the p938 now. Seems unlikely it'd go off without a trigger pull. I guess that ought to be obvious, but I didn't understand the mechanisms.

I figured any modern firearm would have that kind of stuff figured out. So cocked and locked = way to go for SAO guns.

>>33285055
Are there conversion kits for makarov pistols that will allow you to shoot non p+ 9mm rounds?

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Could look into a PA63. They are cheap, about 250 or less.

I got mine for $190 a couple years ago.

which is more cheap and available?

The 9mm MAK ammo or the 380acp?

>>33285118
A friend has bought this gun together with some others. This one came equipped with a suppressor, but nowhere on the gun there is a mention of the calibre it fired. The person sold the gun said "9mm", but I guess he ment 9mm makarov? He has a PPK 7.65 too with ammunition. Can he fire thouse with this gun + suppressor? I'm especially worried about the suppressor

>>33285070
Yeah there's a lot of little things like that you don't know about until you actually pick the gun up and mess around with it.

>>33285155
Online? They are both equally available. In store? .380. 9mm Mak is a tine bit cheaper.

>>33285184
A suppressor able PA63? I've never heard of one at least. Yes, the PA63 fires 9mm mak. There is the MBP and AP-MBP which are identical except they are chambered in 7.65mm.

If it is a PA63 it should be 9mm mak. If not it's probably an AP-MBP or MBP.

>>33285202
So the 380 is more common and available than the 9mm mak but the 9mm mak is cheaper than the 380?

Am I correct on that?

>>33285435
Generally speaking, yup. You can find good deals and such but on a normal day those truths hold.

>>33285221
thank you for your answer. Yes, it only says "PA-63". Fuck, I really want to try that suppressor, but 9mm mak seems extraordinary hard to find for him. He wanted to try the suppressor mounted on the 9mm mak PA-63 on a regular 9mm para beretta 92fs. I advised him not to, but would it work?

>>33285464
So i would be better off with a walther ppk for common ammo finding and conceal carry

Not bad

>>33282474
I have an older Bersa 383. The only problem I've had is trying to feed from aftermarket mags, but I've heard that's a problem with the magazines.

>>33285574
Yar.

>>33285083
Why would you need a conversion kit to shot non +P ammo in a Makarov...

If you're talking about shooting 9x19mm in a Makarov, then that's impossible...

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>>33278814
OP, I can't think of anything that LOOKS like a PPK but in full power 9mm. There are lots of guns in 9x18 and 9mak which are strongly related to (and look like) the PPK and there are lots of guns the same SIZE as a PPK in 9mm. Walther PPS, Beretta Nano, S&W M&P Shield, Ruger LC9 to name a few.

>>33278814
>>33279902
9mm is too spicy a meatball for direct blowback in such a small gun. .380 is already unpleasant, 9mm would be painful if not dangerous.

>>33283881
preference. The mak is a tad bigger which helps with the kick of such a tony pistol, but also comes in a caliber not as common. other than that theyre pretty similar

do you want to sexy, but lighter and more delicate german girl or the sturdy but a bit harder to look at russian girl

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>>33278814
cant believe nobody has mentioned Kahrs yet

>>33286220
The company has never been successful because literally nobody wants DAO. Don't try to trick anon into getting a heavy weirdo gun.

>>33285546
Theoretically it should work, as the 9x18 mak is actually slightly larger in diameter. I still wouldn't though.

9mm mak is easy to find. Just make sure it is in 9mm mak as there are ones chambered for .380 out there

>>33286319
>9mm mak is easy to find. Just make sure it is in 9mm mak as there are ones chambered for .380 out there

But how can I know? The only mark on the gun is "PA-63", nothing about 9mm mak or .380

>>33283964
I bought one of those for carrying after trying it out. Before that I carried a ppk/s. The P938 is easily the most comfortable shooting pocket pistol I've fired in 9mm. It's well worth the extra cost

>>33284425
That looks like hell to shoot. Also not carrying with your mag in is fucking stupid

>>33285048
Holy shit people actually believe this

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Smith and Wesson 3913 and 908, it's a single stack, DA/SA, 9mm.

>>33285730

Actually you can shoot 9x19 through a Makarov. It's just going to destroy the frame rather rapidly.

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>>33286482
It's great, but he was asking for PPK size. It's a little big, and way heavier.

And sadly hard to fucking find anymore because Smith bought into the plastic meme. Otherwise I'd carry one.

9x18 Mak is easy to find, but if you want specific HP ammo like Barnaul or Buffalo Bore you'll probably have to shop online

Most shops around me have FMJ and Hornady available, but that's just my area so whatev

Personally I'd just shop online for ammo, because all the stores around here overcharge for everything

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>>33281973

>>33286664
It looks big but compared to the PPK it's not by much, only .5" longer, 1.2" taller, thinner by .1" and only heavier by 2oz

>>33286253
literally every pocket pistol except the P938/P238 is DAO

>>33286773
Oh, and their not rare to find on Gun Broker, though yes, the price does reflect it's uncommon nature to find in the wild.

Can a 380 kill a man wearing a danim effectively or do i need a 9mm to do that?

>>33282087
liberal bullshit, bersa thunder is fine

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>>33278814

>>33286381
Then it is probably 9x18. If a 9x18 chambers it isn't .380. 9mm mak is like .02 larger in diameter than 9mm Luger/.380

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>>33284425
ur a shit

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>>33284425
>its actually real
https://www.fullconceal.com/faq

Slightly related question:

I like 80s cars, those sexy lines intrinsic to the 80s really get my dick hard. What are some handguns that fit with that aesthetic?