Name one reason why I shouldn't get this for HD.

>>33278508

I can't think of any reason NOT to get that, but there are plenty of reasons to get something else instead.

If you're using it for cc too though, go for it.

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>>33278508
POO POO PEE PEE

>>33278508
>.357
>HK exists
>rifles exists
>pistol for home defense
>ergonomics of a brick
Do you want me to go on?

Shotgun's better

>>33278508
You like your neighbors?

>>33278525
No Im gonna get a PM9 for cc.

>>33278528
I like the idea of having 15 rnds in a compact brick-like package.

>>33278529
Too bulky.

>>33278540
Not really, it was a tossup between this and a G29, but I dont really like the SC frame on Glocks and I figured it wouldnt hurt to sacrifice a lil bit of stoppin powah.

>>33278587

If you're dead set on a pistol for home defense you should go with something full sized. Maybe even consider a revolver.

>>33278587
Okay, if you're going to get a PM9 for cc, why not get a Glock 19 for home defense? That way you could share ammo between them.

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>>33278527

>>33278612
Or, excuse me, a glock 17. Or any other full-sized 9mm?

>>33278599
How is a standard size Glock any better than a Compact if they both have the same capacity?

I thought about a revolver but I like the idea of high capacity over brute force incase more than one person, etc.

Plus I just found this, I might end up getting the G20/29:
Glock 20- 30 round magazine How to
https://youtu.be/uQ8C0a7NXZ4

>>33278612
I'm considering it, but I thought it might be smart to get hotter ammo since Im trying to keep it to a pistol.

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>>33278508
It's not a VP9.

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>HD

It's a home game.

>>33278680
Not OP, but I tried one of those a few months after it came out...most disappointing gun I've ever shot. Trigger was mushy as fuck.

>>33278660
You can get penetrator rounds for 9mm. You can also get +p ammo if you want to match the 357sig. At 124g for sig and +p 9mm, they're almost exactly the same.

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>>33278508
I can't.

>>33278660
>How is a standard size Glock any better than a Compact if they both have the same capacity?
Slightly increased barrel length and more weight for recoil reduction. Better off with a steel framed pistol though the weight will really take out a lot of the recoil.

>>33278692
What optic is that

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>>33278508
Get a KelTec PMR 30.

30+1 rounds so you can just fucking light people up, not to mention the cheap mags and ultra lightweight.

Best HD gun, GOAT guaranteed.

>>33278727
Aimpoint Micro, don't know if T1 or H1

>>33278709
Actually, OP, scratch that. .357 sig is pretty much always going to have more oomph that 9mm. You can try to compensate with +p or +p+ rounds, but you're always going to be chasing .357 with 9mm.

So I take it back. If sharing ammo with your PM9 isn't a factor, then I guess go for it.

>>33278727
>>33278753
Aimpoint H2. Says it right there on the optic.

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>>33278508
Hmm, the only downside I can find with the G32 is no conversion barrels.

Ill have to try the G20 to see how I feel about 10mm, then Ill know for sure.

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>all these retards going back and forth with .357 vs 9mm vs 10mm
>in a fucking home defense gun

A R fucking 15. I'll be damned if it's one of you dumb fuckers that think 10mm is more effective than 5.56 coming out of a 16 inch barrel.

>>33278746
this, op, glock a shit

>>33278767
Full disclosure i love my glock 20 and i cc it errday.

Now, 10mm is not for an inexperienced shooter.

>>33278770
I dont wanna have an AR lying out in the open 24/7.

>>33278508
Because you are foolish and cannot be trusted.

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>>33278770
>tfw just got done tearing into someone who said he didn't see why people would use AR for HD because it's best to have a gun that "did more than maim", which is why their tool of choice was a fucking .357 snubbie
Nevermind that .357 has all the ballistic effectiveness of a thrown poptart in that case...

>>33278777
>Now, 10mm is not for an inexperienced shooter.

And experienced shooters don't use 10mm for defense against human targets.
>trying to compensate for your lack of skill or ability to shoot by hiding behind a caliber

>>33278770
>using a rifle in your house.
>maneuvering a 9lb gun around corners after waking up at 2am.
>2600fps bullet in your family home.
>36 inch long gun sitting by your bed.

>>33278798
are we talking a cooked poptart or a fresh out of the wrapper one?

>>33278819

>Using a handgun in preference to a long gun, ever
>Center axis relock snake CQB COD knifestyle around your house at 2 AM
>shitty handgun bullets that present equal overpenetration risk without any of the terminal ballistics
>having a bedroom that isnt more than 36 inches tall

confirmed for retard.

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>>33278746
>rimfire
>self defense

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>>33278798

i would prolly take the .357 snubbie its more realistic to to worry about hitting your target at all not ballistic effectiveness, and indoors HD i dont want to be swinging a full size rifle around. i mean i guess you have a point with capacity, but i also think it would be easier to wrestle an ar15 away from someone than a handgun maybe

>>33278819
You're a goddamned idiot.

>>33278903
not true... worst case - handgun it's 2 hands vs one, long gun it's 2 hands vs 2 hands... and you can muzzle strike, butt strike with the long gun pretty effectively in the grapple if you go do some bayonet drilling.

>>33278811
But what about in an HD situation tho?

>>33278903
>guy grabs your AR barrel
>pull back
>guy hangs on to it because not letting go
>as you pull back it extends his arms effectively pointing the barrel at him
>fire
You're probably better off with the AR than trying to grapple with a drawn pistol honestly.

>>33278819
>2600fps bullet in your family home.

Wouldn't you rather have that than something that will over-penetrate and kill your neighbors/children/dog/truck?

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>>33278887
>>33278915


were Tunnel Rats a meme? They could have taken ARs

>>33278903
>i dont want to be swinging a full size rifle around
There are so many problems with this logic. It's not like a modern carbine or shotgun is THAT long. It's the same length as a fully extended pistol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjThckYqBQ

>>33278936

Do you live in a fucking VC tunnel you dumb nigger?

If you do, fine. Use a shitty handgun. Wait, no, take that money and use to to not live in a fucking VC tunnel.

>>33278903
>>33278819

Hmm, I detect some old fudds in here.

>>33278949
Even then, what is a a SBR? Or if you don't want to deal with a stamp, just get a Sig brace.

>>33278786
unless you have children or shitty cohabitants I don't see you wouldn't.

>>33278786
Buy. A. Safe. You. Fucking. Faggot.

>>33278968
I dont need that much firepower, Im not fighting the Viet Cong.

>>33278977
Yea bc Im sure an intruder will have the fucking courtesy to allow me to open my gun safe will Im shitting bricks. Fuck off with your retarded logic I dont want a rifle.

>>33278988
What? Don't be a dumbass. You said you "dont wanna have an AR lying out in the open 24/7". Having a safe completely eliminates that problem. Take the gun out when you get home, put it away in the morning. You would do the exact same thing with a full size pistol.
WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID?

>>33278988
>I dont want a rifle
>I want an objectively worse firearm

Retardation is a hell of a drug.

>>33278508

Did you just make this thread to validate a decision you've already made? Everyone's told you there are better options and you've shot down absolutely everything. Why are you even still posting in here at all? You clearly don't want advice.

>>33278988

Listen here retard

You wanted reasons to not get it. Those reasons mostly being: "Because handguns fucking suck and there are better options that literally outperform OPs picture in every single arena."

You don't like those reasons and want to ignore them completely. That's cool. Fuck off, buy your glock, and don't ask us to advise you again.

>>33278508
buy an ar15


..trust me bro

>>33278988
>>33279009
Or if you're going with "I'll just keep it in my nightstand" logic, just tuck it away in your closet. Literally no difference.

>>33279009
>>33279016
>>33279019
>>33279020
Holy shit I live in a 2 br condo, I dont need anything that cumbersome.

>BOOM! Someone kicks down the door, theyre 20 ft away from you
>You have 3 seconds to grab your firearm, aim, and start shooting

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>>33279035

If you are unable to go from 0-go with a rifle in that situation, you are not going to be able to do it with a pistol either noguns.

The -ONLY- exception to this would be in the case of actually carrying it on your fucking body at the time, which was implied nowhere in your post.

PS Harden your fucking doors.

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>>33279035
Listen here you quadruple faggot, you are objectively stupid and wrong for choosing a sidearm when you should go for a longarm. Stop asking for "advice" when you want validation.

>>33279035
A pistol doesn't take any less time than a rifle to get into action.

Source: Baghdad-2005

>>33278508
It's not 45Auto

>>33278746
As a plinking or rabbit shooting gun, this thing is fine, but i don't want a rimfire as my self-defense weapon of choice. as a backup,fine, but not the primary

>>33279053
>>33279068
>>33279079
Why do I need a rifle tho, do I need to chop them in half to neutralize them? Anyway Ill consider it down the line.

>>33279035
>it only takes one *BOOM* to get in you condo
First off, have not shit doors.

Second what makes you think a pistol is quicker to put into action then a rifle?

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>>33279035
>Holy shit I live in a 2 br condo
Hey me too, I use pic related.

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>>33279088
>do I need to chop them in half to neutralize them?
Are you a 90s era anti-gun lobbyist? If not, why do you perpetuate this fuddlore?

>>33279088
>obejectively better rounds
>objectively more stable shooting platform
>objectively better recoil control
>bigger "standard" magazines
>easier to mount optics

It's not like they even cost that much more than a pistol at this point.

>>33279097
Its small so I could keep it in an easily accessible location. Its one handed operation so its ready to go instantly opposed to picking it up from against the wall, or whatever then aiming.

I have 2 air rifles so I know theyre not as quick to deploy as a handgun, albeit in the unlikely case that I get in a shootout where Im out gunned then I could see how it could be a problem, but Im sure as they heard the first shot theyd fucking run away.

>>33278508
This guy has a really great video about HD guns. I woudl check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcS5qWjUgJI

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rifles are statically better at stopping

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>>33279128
>have 2 air rifles so I know theyre not as quick to deploy as a handgun

>>33279128
>it's so small I can keep it in an easily accessible location
You can do that with a rifle, it's called leaning against your bed. Just put it away in the morning if you're worried about leaving it out.

>I only need one hand for my pistol where a rifle needs two
Don't do that. Your handgun needs two hands too.

>I have two air rifles so I know they're not to quick to deploy as a handgun
What does that even mean? All you have to do is pick up your rifle and you're good to go.

>>33279144
Just logistically speaking, you know what I mean... Im not interested in getting a rifle at this point, holy fuck!

>>33279169
>Im not interested in getting a rifle at this point, holy fuck!
so just buy what youre interested in then, why ask people?

>>33279169
By logistically speaking do you mean cheaper mags? The wider selection of parts? The not meme caliber?

>>33279169
>logistically speaking
Hwat...the fuck does that mean?

>>33278508
well if you are already buying another handgun, might as well diversify.

There's some nice shotguns out there for the same price or less than a glockenspiel, and shotguns are always fun.

If you can splurge a little I'd recommend a vepr shotgun, I think kvar has them for 800 right now.

I'm trying to sell one of my guns to get one.

>>33279192

Watch some reviews on them, they are very ammo sensitive from what I've seen.

>>33279405
Really? I heard it was saiga 12 that had issues.

well I guess I'll do some research.

>>33278936
And they often did. Just not the standard 20 inch barrel ones with fixed stock. They would use car 15s or something similar.

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>>33278508
Because it's not in 10 meme-meter

>>33278819
>2600fps bullet in your family home.
Exactly, the risk of overpenetration is really low because of...oh, wait, were you using that as evidence that the AR WOULD overpenetrate? You're not aware of the actual, real-deal performance even FMJ .223 has against even drywall, and what it does compared to, say, 9mm? It's the exact opposite of what you think.

>>33278903
Then get a fucking carbine you complete mongoloid, Jesus. An M4 is less than 30 inches with the stock collapses and will project out from you no further than a pistol is going to be after you have it out and ready. Or are you going room to room aiming from the hip/trying to into CAR like an utter sperg?

Can someone other than fucking Glock make a striker fired polymer double stack 10mm please?

>>33278508
Who's gonna defend you from it?

>>33278508

If you like it you, find a good price on it, are comfortable with the price of ammo, and it works with your HD plan then you should. Here are some counter points.

The fullsize (Glock 31) will be a little easier to shoot and have more capacity. It might be better suited to HD since you won't need to conceal it.

.357 Sig is a fairly expensive caliber. Handgun calibers largely perform the same, so you might save some money buying a 9 or 40 and be able to find ammo in more places (and buy more ammo to practice with).

Depending on your home situation (lay out, other people in the house, etc) you might be better served with a rifle or shotgun. So weigh your options, war game it a little bit and come up with the answer you think is best.

>>33279141
Wow, that graph is telling me .32 ACP is an absolute monster.

>>33278903
Put a sling on the rifle

you guys are dumb

i could defend my home with a tree branch

>>33280693
Just because you live in the treehouse in your parent's backyard doesn't mean just anybody can

>357 sig
The only reason you should use this for HD is if your walls are made out of kevlar

>>33278508
hope you got thick walls

>>33278770
>5.56
>16" barrel
how big is your house?

>>33279141
>% incapacitated by one shot
>.32ACP BTFO's every other pistol/revolver round

I feel better owning one now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA
Get a long arm. .357 sig is no exception.

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>>33280375
Vector Gen 2 in 10mm?

>>33278527
You make a good point.

>>33278508
a rifle, or anything with a stock, is infinitely easier to shoot.

>>33278948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_APnhoIYeD0

>>33280506
>>33283031
It's probably just a statistical anomaly. I don't know the source of the graph, but if it's complied from crime data there could be some reason for it's effectiveness we aren't aware of, like smaller guns being easier to conceal and more likely to be used in close range hits.

Not saying that's the reason, but it's more likely than .32 being some magical problem solver. Whatever the reason .32 does well is probably the same reason .22 and .25 are even represented.

>>33283043
What means this?

>>33278508
see
>>33275292

>>33283043
>UNINTENTIONAL INJURIES

>>33280506
Consider .25 ACP, a textbook example of a terribly-performing pistol round, is dead even with 9mm, that tells me inherent cartridge effectiveness isn't the deciding factor here.

>>33278929
>>guy grabs your AR barrel
If you're worried about this, get a bayonet.

>>33279141
Source?

>>33278720
Eh, barrel length increase is negligible at that point, and ergos is more important anyway.

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>>33278746
> not getting a G19 with a 33-rounder instead

>>33278508
No, get your own opinions.

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>>33278508
>Name one reason why I shouldn't get this for HD.
The AR15 exists.

>>33278529
>what is overpenetration

>>33279088
>Chopping them in half
>Rifle with a .224 diameter bullet
Pick one

>>33278508
You should get a gun with worse barrier penetration, unless you live in the middle of nowhere.