Milsurp Rifles etc.

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I'll start the posts off with:

M1917 was the best common issue rifle of World War One

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>>33275535
Also my first handgun

>>33275535
A TTC.
Or some Norinco thingy.

>>33275568
Honestly, should have gone for the M88.

>>33275568
Hey!
Mine's from '53 too!

>>33275582
honestly I'm happy with my choice
>couldn't get a good pic of the bore
it's breddy nice though

>>33275595
that makes us lovers right?

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>trying to load lee enfield stripper clips
>mfw keep fucking it up

how the fuck do you do it? this rimlock shit is too real.

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>>33275535
>>33275568
I've always wanted a Tokarev, and Soviet guns in particular, but I won't settle for one that has been ruined with an import safety.

I really, really want a Korovin ;_;

I'll just stick with my Nagant.

>>33275552
>M1917
thats a funny way to spell Type 38

what kind of coating is on post war refurb Mosin Nagants?

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>>33275607
Stagger your rounds 01010.

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>>33275627
Better like _–_–_

>>33275618
it didn't see much use in ww1 did it?
>>33275610
pull the safety out and plug the holes? would that even work? I don't mind it

>>33275607
Doesn't actually matter if your rifle is in good shape.

>>33275642
DELET THIS

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>>33275656
>it didn't see much use in ww1 did it?

>tfw you will never own a Mexican Arisaka

>>33275692
Forget that, I can't even find an Arisaka with a mum and a dust cover.

>>33275684
huh
neat
I don't really know why I thought otherwise. Maybe I misremembered something

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>>33275692

>>33275722
that's pretty cool family
but
>that guy resting his hand on the muzzle
Having grown up around Mexicans I shouldn't be surprised

>>33275692
The guy I bought my Type 30 carbine from had one about a month ago. I would have picked it up but....eh.

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>>33275642
How does this not rimlock when put into the magazine?

So while the gun show was almost entirely a bust (expected, it almost always sucks), I did find one potential purchase. But wanted to get some input from you guys.

Remington M91. NOT Finned, not balkanized, good shape, looks to be all matching. But after taxes it's be about $850.
Yea or nay?

>>33275866
Remington nagants are rare, if the bore is clean it might be worth it, but I kind of doubt it.

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>>33275716
Russians bought thousands of them to supplement their slow Mosin production. Many wound up in the hands of the Finns and other Baltics after the war ended.

>>33275784
It does not dare let the side down.

>>33275866
I assume also not US-Surcharged?

>>33275878
looks like 700-900 is the current price range, so maybe I'm wrong.

>>33275886
>I assume also not US-Surcharged?
That I don't know. How would I tell?

>>33275866
What kind of Remington? One that uncle sam bought to bail out remshits or one that went to Russia? If Russian how much of the rifle is still Remington?

>>33275920
search inside yourself
you will find what you seek

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>>33275920
>How would I tell?
http://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27224

>>33275932
Dunno, I didn't give it a thorough looking because I only had a passing interest at the time and had a bunch of other vendors to visit.

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>>33275552
correct

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>>33275656
No, that really doesn't work.

>>33275692
The good thing is that when they do pop up for sale, no one wants them.

>>33275712
They aren't the most difficult thing to find in the world.

>>33276427
Those have mums, but I'm not seeing any dust covers, brah.

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>>33276488
got you covered senpai

>>33276534
Oh shit son. Nice.

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>>33276488
TRUE Arisakas never had dust covers.

>>33276579
Define "True" then. They had dust covers over several variants. Even if the soldiers in the field threw them away.

>>33276597
The Type 35, 38, 44, and 99 never actually had anything to do with Arisaka. That's just a name we colloquially ascribe to them because....well I don't actually know why. But I'm just being pedantic.

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>>33276488
You caught me. I care a lot more about matching guns than ones with mums. Dust covers don't really add value unless they are matching like this one.

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>>33276553
its all matching too, even the dust cover, no import marks. guy said his dad brought it back from okinawa.

>>33276623
Ok, that much I understood. I grok senpai.

>>33276644
So that's essentially unobtanium.

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>>33276725
Lolno. There are still a ton of them matching and mumed, they just cost more and sell quickly. There are still thousands of them out there.

>>33275535
Will a standard Mauser 98 follower work in a 7.62 NATO converted rifle? (1912 Chilean)

>>33276744
like where though. I can't find them.

>>33275692
Post that exact post again tomorrow around noon.
Boy do I have something to show you.

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>>33276725
actually, this would be unobtainium

>>33276597
The soldiers would never have thrown them away. They were rained to respect the rifle in it's entirety. That theory came from U.S. soldiers because they were often lost or taken off while being shipped back home.

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>>33276790
I can't even disagree. That's amazing. But that doesn't help me find an arisaka wit ha mum and matching dust cover.

>>33276807
I'm aware, I didn't specify which soldiers were throwing it away in the field.

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>>33276757
Like all collectables on the secondary market.

Both of these guns are harder to find than mumed and matching with DC. Same as >>33276744

>>33276822
make friends with old people. still some greatest generation around, and some of them have hippy kids that dont want their guns.

my type 99 you want cost me $250 and I havent even owned it a full year yet.

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i just started refinishing my mosins stock

i stained it a really dark red and it looks incredible
dont have any pics yet

>>33276866
someone talk me out of dropping a fortune on a broomhandle

>>33276871
NO

>>33276861
>i just started devauling my mosins

>>33275618
>type 38
>used in ww1
>used in any meaningful numbers in ww1
>straight bolt
>only 5 rounds
>fucking tangent sights

Consider seppukku you dirty weeb

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>>33276871
no

>>33276882
>I like to ruin fun

>>33276882
i bought it for like 70 bucks
and i have another one
literally who cares

>>33276886
Lol Russia bought over half a million Arisakas and they received another 100,000 from Britain who also bought them from Japan.

Nothing wrong with straight bolt handles.
Type 38s all have ladder sighs.

>>33276908
>I like to ruin a rifle they made over six million of

>>33276922
and with the way the market went you could have sold it for 300+

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>>33276922
Ever wonder why they aren't $70 anymore?

>>33275752
mexican here

those guys were illiterate commie farmers

>>33276969
because people bought crates of them to sell in ten years

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does anyone have a nicer Berdan II than this?

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>>33276886
R u 4 real?

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>>33276970
t. literate Commie farmer

>>33276986
yes

>>33276981
No, because of supply and demand. Now there is very little supply and high demand, and every retard with sandpaper makes the supply even less limited.

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>>33276751
Pls

>>33276981
yeah, that's totally it, and not the fact that probably over a million have been bubba'd to hell and back. Definitely not that.

It always starts this way

>there's tons of Mausers, who cares if I bubba this?
>there's tons of Enfield's, who cares if I bubba this

so on and so on

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>>33276986
I'm sure someone does.

>>33277032
damn that is a beautiful crest.

>>33277057
how many fucking guns do you have?

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>>33277032
I think it will work. I know the factory-made 7.62NATO rifles had a spacer in the magazine that kept the cartridges at the rear of the magazine and also elongated the feed ramp, but I think you'll be fine.

>>33277051
>>33277028
t. didnt buy them when they were $99 and doesnt have a pile of them sitting in cosmoline still

>>33277070
Hmm, alright. I'll probably dig around a bit more before buying a 'full length' follower.

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>>33277062
I honestly don't know. 50? Sounds about right.

What's the cheapest decent milsurp gun these days /k?

>>33277126
shitty mausers

>>33277126
Carcano.

>>33277126
I've seen some nice antique turk mausers in the shitty nagant price range.

>>33275625
wasn't it shellac

>>33277062
135 for me

>>33277219
pretty impressive 2bh. Mostly milsurp?

M95, MAS 36, or Arisaka?

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>>33277234
of course. other guns dont have character.

did a quick glance at the inventory, only have about 16-17 non milsurp guns....

and non-milsurp includes milsurp clones...AKs, AR, .,22 1911s and M1 Carbine, saiga shotgun etc.

>>33276782
you really wanna make me cry?

Dont understand why anyone would want a arisaka 2bh. But then again im probably on the spectrum.

>>33277342
got any swede rifles? Dunno why but im digging those right now

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>>33277353
hey boy george, if you think that'll make you cry...check out what RIA is putting up in May

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>>33277387
>Dont understand why anyone would want a arisaka 2bh
apply this to literally any other gun
some people think they're neat/some don't
also this is a cantonese throat-singing forum

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>>33277398
only 2, the m96 and an 1874 rollingblock

i would like more, but i kinda put them off. my buddy has all of them so I shoot his a lot.

AG42 is in my top 3 "wants" and i might be getting a Lahti soon.

>>33277427
kys weeb

>>33277433
Ive been looking for an ag 42 for a minute but I dont think ive ever seen one irl. I really dont like the idea of buying guns on the internet without ever seeing it in person but I doubt ill get one any other way

Should I get it /k/?

http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Zastava-M59/66-SKS-Centerfire-Rifle&i=UF104435902

>>33277413
>you will never carry a Mexican Arisaka on your shoulder and a Mexican Luger on your hip while your Mexican qt wife cooks you enchiladas

>>33277437

>>33277460
seems a bit steep 2bh

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>>33275618
This gaijin knows what's up

>>33277456
yea. my buddy got one, and i had a chance to buy a pristine one for $700 at a LGS. I was kinda broke at the time and 'slept on it' so someone else bought it first thing in the morning. within a month you couldnt even get therm online for less than $900.

AG42 is the most pleasant shooting battle rifle ive handled. G43 is a close second.

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>>33277433
>AG42 is in my top 3 "wants" and i might be getting a Lahti soon.
Shoulda said something a year half ago. I was selling mine.

>>33277501
>Dutch Mannlichers
Too much want.

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>>33277538
yea i remember. ill get one eventually, same with the SVT40.

if Trump lowers taxes for the middle class Ill be able to get into watercooled belt fed stuff and will probably not give a shit about the '42 anymore.

>>33277538
fug. whatd you end up selling it for?

thoughts on a mas49/56 in 308? i kind of have a weird itch to scratch

>>33277587
rechambered guns are haram

>>33277574
>if
Lol.
>>33277575
I sold it for $900 or $950 shipped.
>I bought it for $680 shipped and that included an SMLE
>rubbinghands.gif

>>33277615
you did well then, good condition AG-42s are going for less than that right now.

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military scatter gats anyone?

>>33275886
>Many wound up in the hands of the Finns
WTB Finnish Type 38

How do you guys go about hunting down milsurp?
Just online stalking certain sellers, or is it worthwhile to search around local stores?
I'd really like to, in a few months time, start a nice mainly milsurp collection but sourcing guns feels like a big challenge.

>>33277733

I roll with gunbroker because the stores near me are either no milsurp yet or are in downtown and fuck downtown traffic.

>>33277733
Local stores in my area are shit for milsurp, and I'm in the southeast. I have to rely in a handful of online retailers , and auction houses.

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>>33277712
I think the Finns traded most of their T38s to Estonia, who would re-chamber some of them for .303UK. They also used it as the basis for a sniper/marksman's rifle seen here at an Estonian military museum, below the Estonian Model 1935 Mosin.

>>33277733
Estate auctions.
Many of the collectors are starting to die and their collections go to auction.

>>33277733
Honestly it's worth checking local stores and asking around. Many of the fudds in my area have surplus stuff lying around and don't like it or want it, unless it's a mauser or American rifle in which case they want WAY too much for it. One guy I know sold an Enfield in great shape for $100 because he thought it was unsafe. Said the cocking piece is so small it's hard to decock it safely

how much money do you all make a year?

ive been abusing my wallet

>>33277824

60k/year

>>33277337
Mas 36.

>>33277824
126k before uncle sam takes like 30k in tax

>>33277413
Do they have the full catalog up yet?

>>33275684
>unrelated
>that's a nightmarish photo
>a dozen russians with nagants in a forest

>>33277824
The lowest amount they're legally allowed to pay me.

>>33277915
p-much this. but I have not debt.

>>33277824
probably a hair under 40k

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>>33277909
>nagants
>the squad's faces when

>>33275692
Illegal rifles have to go back

>>33277900
nope, just previews

>>33277475
Arisaka has 33 points compared to the M1917s 41 points on my little comparison list. So the 1917 is better, at least mechanically, by a large margin.

>>33277574
>if Trump lowers taxes for the middle class
This cannot come fast enough. Though hopefully this tariff shot doesn't fly.

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What are SKS bayonets made of/coated with? I've seen some seriously beat-to-shit SKS's, but the bayonets always look almost the exact same as one NIB.
Why didn't they make the rest of the rifle out of it?

>>33277824
I'm in the 2nd highest tax bracket.

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>>33277398
Just picked this up Thursday.

Got it for a crazy good price.

>>33277733
Mostly gunbroker.

>>33277824
college student.

I don't buy booze though so it's about even honestly

>>33278062
fuck me I cant find any of these anywhere.

ree

>>33277733
Check everywhere. You never know what you might find.

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>>33278082
The internet is your friend.

>>33278117
welp gonna put my c&r in the mail tommorow now I guess

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>>33277861
You sure have developed an obsession with these.

Held off on a beautiful mk4 today because it was post war. regret it already

>>33278187
Oh it's been developed. I'm just more vocal now because people are more receptive to hearing it.

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>>33278187
He just like stealing my obsessions.

What's your holy grail milsurp gun, /k/?

>>33278248

currently: m1903A3 dated 43 made by smith corona

some day: full blown Pedersen device in 1903 or a Pedersen rifle

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>>33278248
That we own, or that we're searching for?
Because the former is my 1895. The latter, at least right now....

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Finally found me a good type 44 Calvary to go with my type 99

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bump you fuckers

So what are some oddball surplus semi-autos? I love my SKS for general use, but I want to branch out into "I had no idea that gun existed" territory. Stuff like the vz.52/57 for example is pretty cool and rather affordable.

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>>33280512
BM59 comes to mind

>tfw grandad brought back two arisakas and matching bayonets.
His retard kids sold the rifles and all I have is the bayonets!

>>33277051
That's where it sat arts but what really chaps my ass is when "oh this is a pretty rare rifle but fuck that, I want to paint it blue and put mlp stickers on it. After I cut off the front sight and mount a taco scope!

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I've not bought any milsurp in a while, need to fix that.

>>33280603

>tfw knew someone who ripped up a near-mint condition 1954 Tula SKS using that exact logic
>"lol dude it's only a $400 rifle who cares"

He chopped the stock up, then he decided he didn't like it and instead threw it in one of those hideous "monte carlo" stocks. The only sort of modification I'll tolerate are those scout scope mounts that go in the place of the rear sight. At least those cause no harm to the rifle, and they're removed in a matter of seconds.

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>>33280639
I still don't have a Makarov.

>>33280673
This

Doing irreversible damage to something old just "because" should be a crime.

There's plenty you can do without actually destroying it.

One of my hillbilly friends cut down a Spanish Mauser because he wanted a FR-7. Only he didn't actually know how long a fr-7 was so he fucked up the gun.

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>>33280575
The bayonets are pretty cool too. I can help you with the manufacturer and series of them if I can see them.

Just need a pic like this one:

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>>33280575
>>33280822
And a pic like this:

>>33280673
I hate those bolt on mods like those crappy scout scopes too. One, they're always shitty scopes and don't make you shoot any better. And two, the original parts are always lost.

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>>33280832
Still better than a drill and tap
>some people don't have a parts draw
Smh

Not milsurp but i am proud. Took me 8 years to reunite this set.

>>33280748
me neither. its been one of those guns ive wanted to get for my collection but just never have. i should have jumped on that $200 sale but was too lazy :(

>>33280811
Meh only thing I could see doing is doing a little touch up on the stock, my mosin stock was in very good shape but had the shellac worn or sanded off in spots took super fine paper to even out the spots without making to big a change then used linseed oil on it still a bit lighter in color than most but a little less messed with, plus linseed oil will protect wood and give it a really nice finish. Ultimately though its your gun do whatever you wish with it as long as you are happy fuck everyone else

>>33280955
I always cringe when I see on a listing

>drilled and tapped, done right

spoiler alert, it's never fucking done right

Inevitably followed by "AUTHENTIC SNIPER SETUPS" too. God I hate bubba's

>>33280748
to be fair good military makarovs can be annoying to find for a good price. Everyone has export models but they look awful with the adjustable sight.

>>33280969
I'm just not that into pistols that aren't built for a shoulder stock. I'll get a Mak someday but only after I fulfill many other interests.

I need some "ping" in my life. What should I look for in a good one? Like what manufacturers are more desirable?

>>33281248
They're all good

>>33277126
Carcano by far. Can get a decent one for 150 and under. I got mine for 30, it's in shitty shape but it's still a working carcano

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>>33275552
>>33276023
Are all M1917 bolts somewhat sticky?
I've cleaned and oiled mine but it still feels like it binds up.

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>>33281460
The fuck, that's not my rifle.

>>33281460
Probably wasn't used much. Gotta wear it in.

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>>33281506
It's already pretty worn in, judging by looks.

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two police 37mm gas guns

>>33277733
Gunbroker, armslist, gunboards, sometimes people sneak a gun on Facebook, GunsAmerica, auctions.

>>33277824
Last year was like $55k before taxes.

>>33281492
4chan will randomly swap images.

Some fuckboy in /social/ probably just posted a picture of your rifle and they're coming fused about it too.

>>33276782
Alright, lets see it.

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Venezuelan Mauser in 7mm, near pristine condition. Owner wants $1,100 for it.

That even a figure worth considering?

>>33282459
Nah that is too much money for a SA rifle

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>>33282486
Yeah I figured. Did some Googling on the tag, it was an FN produced 24/30 Short Rifle.

>>33282516
Take a pic of the proof marks on the left side of the receiver ring, just to the left of where you're looking in that pic. Also, is the bolt matching? It has post-war contract proofs but I can't tell from the proofs on the receiver whether it is a pre-or-post-war contract rifle. Also it's just an M1930 rifle; 24/30 was a FN catalog designation meaning customer could choose Model 1924 OR Model 1930.

I just bought an Argie 1911, and when I went to take it down, after removing the recoil spring, something came loose inside the gun and is rattling around.
The slide is not moving freely at all, and there is no mark on the slide for where to remove the holdopen.

wat do?

>>33282728
nvm, figured it out.

Would a SMLE with a magazine cut off be worth more or less or would it not have any impact at all on the price?

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>>33283086
Maybe a little bit. Depends on a lot of factors.

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>>33275535
My newest pickup. It's a Japanese type I, I got it for 250 probably overpaid for it but it's a neat gun. Probably not going to do much shooting with it.

>>33275552
Agreed. The Mauser-like action, bent bolt handle, and very nice sight picture made it the best rifle of the war. You can even argue that it was better than the No4 Mk1 that came around a couple decades later.

Anyone have a long lee?

I want that Victorian crest, can't seem to find one anywhere. Whats a starting price?

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>>33281506
Yo kb. My neighbor's grandpa talked me into buying you a present.

Ww2 1903 stock for a lefty. Are you interested? There s a July 43 barrel that came with it. Mirror bore. Came from Kemper military academy.

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>>33284125
Nice! I need a Type I and no, I don't think you overpaid at all.

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>>33284740

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>>33284418
mine cost me $1500

>>33284740
>>33284756
wait nvm, im a dumbass. guess its a regular stock.

im so used to german mausers

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>>33284740
A kind offer, but no thanks. I've shot righty rifles as a left so long I actually prefer to shoot that way now.

>>33284781
Oh you thought the cut off cut out was for the bolt handle didn't you?

>>33284753
They're still out there. People tell me they're rare but from what I've seen they aren't that rare

>>33284884
well the seller did, and my brain just went with it.

he was supposed to be bringing over a trapdoor springfield and an unknown civil war pistol, instead he shows up with the barrel/stock and a fucking spitfire smg with a ziplock baggy full of NFA papers.

kinda threw me off my game

>>33284769
Nice.

Not digging the Metford myself, think i specifically want an Enfield

>Arisaka being sold for 100 bucks
>stocks been thoroughly painted black because retards
>no mum
>bolt has been fucked with

would it be possible to get this and rebuild it into my own arisaka? or should I say fuck it and roll with a 200-300 dollar one with a non-fucked stock and maybe a mum?

>>33285432
i am 100% certain it should be the latter. youre going to spend possibly the same amount of money over all, the difference being with the former option youre stuck with some hot mess instead of a decent rifle

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What is the absolute most I should spend on a SMLE mk 3?
I want one so damn bad but I'm afraid of over spending.

Gew 98 or M1917 first?

how to mount red dot on my Tokarev?

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>>33285871
Whichever you find first; doesn't matter they're going for about the same rate right now (unless it's a rare Gew.98 variant).

>>33277433
I will make you cry. Bought a mint , all matching AG-42b in the 80's. Still have it. Local store had truck loads of them $84.00 Leafbucks

>>33277733
>>33277733
Hook up with a military reenactment group. Tons of leads for milsurp there.

>>33280512
FN-49, Hakim. Rasheed

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okay I have questions about my m48

>The stock right now is dark red, once I get some of the cosmoline out, will it start to lighten up?

>The mag floor plate is super tight, need a punch to get it off and need to pry against the trigger guard to put it back on. Even after cleaning all the cosmoline off the plate it is still about the same, I cleaned the groves in the trigger guard assembly of any cosmoline as well

>Can someone show me an example of a good bore, I don't really know what a good one should look like.

>Anyone else have one where the buttplate is a fitted a bit off?

>Are the sights any better with a sight hood? Very hard to see without it, working on getting a replacement right now.

>>33277203
not the wood, the metal

>>33277387
because the early ones are fabulously built and absolutely bomb proof rifles. even if the ammo is hard to find

>>33277931
>30k in debt
>work unpayed internship
lol youre screwed uncle sam. good luck getting me to pay back my student loans

>>33277824
26k before taxes. I bought basically all my stuff before I moved out of my parents. Now I'm at maybe 3 guns a year. I want a new car, too.

>>33278248
cossack 1907 carbine
>literally 1 left in existence and I know who has it
a man can dream

>>33278248
Gew. 98 made in 1898 at the Oberndorf am neckar factory

>>33277387
>Dont understand why anyone would want a arisaka 2bh

preference really. I only care about rifle made up until the 60s/70s. and I really want a full collection of the main rifles of ww1/ww2.

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>>33286165
Yeah, but we can load all of the magazine.
>>33286443
There is no Cossack 1907 carbine. People just have erroneously slapped on the Cossack tag to the 1907 carbine.

>>33286569
You're right, it's a St. Petersburg Cavalry carbine, which is different from the 1907.

>>33286844
There's more than 1 of those, because Century is selling one on their website.

>>33286873
not cossack marked

>>33286976
Ah, ok. Now I understand what you're saying.

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>>33286569
>>33286844
>>33286873
>>33286976
>>33287002
here is a pic of it

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>tfw Canadian
>Tfw no dumb import safety
>Ttw original gun

1964, feelsgoodman

>>33287210
tfw no trigger discipline
>a FUCKING leaf

y'all motherfuckers with your Chrysanthemum Arisakas and all I want here is an unmolested Enfield.

feelsbadman

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>>33287210
Hey fellow 1964 M57 bro.

>>33287436
Are you me?
Going to big ass pawn shop in Florida tomorrow looking to score a no1mk3 Enfield. Wish me luck.

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>>33286239
The sight hood really helps with sight alignment. My stock is also red after treatment with a heat gun but will probably lighten up the more you shoot it. Floor plate is tight on mine as well

>>33287436

>not just gun brokering that shit

it's pretty easy to find a decent mil config Enfield.

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>>33277475

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>>33286165
meh. a collector in his 80s told me stories of 1949 when guys would drive around with station wagons full of m1 carbines selling them door to door for $10 to vets.

plus I know a guy that collected machine guns in the 50s/60s and when 68 GCA happened he thought the registration was a government honey pot so he threw all his class III arms in the Missouri river. This included an MP40 and 2 MP44s.

THAT story made me cry

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>>33288315
Mmmm....thats a nice Johnson you have there.

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>>33288387
why thanky, teehee

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>>33288387
i imagine the slav stamping your serial number was slowly passing out drunk as he stamped it.

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>>33288577
That's why mine smells like vodka

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>>33288577
Better than this one. Must have been going through withdrawls.

>>33288599
lol i think you have an original Michael J Fox nugget. Thats some Rock Island Premier Auction shit.

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>1903A3 Stock, Barrel, Bolt - $100
>Assorted 1903A3 metal bits from Numrich - $120
>being 1 1903A3 receiver away from restoring ANOTHER drill rifle to shooting condition - priceless

looks like my 1903 is getting a baby brother

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>>33288837
nice

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>>33275535
i want a wooden FAL. really really badly

>FTR Inglis Hi power
>$1000

How badly did I fuck up? It was the only hi power my FFL would DROS since nobody in my area has a consistent policy regarding the handgun roster in California.

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>>33291762
>Hi-Power
>Inglis
>FTR
>$1000
>California.
I don't know; my brain locks up trying to calculate these variables.

>>33291017
Confirmed for not a newfag

>>33291762
Sounds a little high but not bad. My father paid like 7-8 a couple of years ago in il

>>33280536
Did they make one for Yakko and Wacko?

Is it possible to remove the mag cutoff on a Enfield or is it a lot of trouble.

>>33292479
Not possible

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How shit is my m48 bore?

>>33292874
Did you just get the cosmo out of it?

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>>33292874
Pretty rough, but at least you have some rifling left. How does it shoot?

>>33293265
I have no long cleaning rods so I had to snake the bore with a .308 with some patches wrapped on. I did the first few inches with a small cleaning rod to see if it would clean up any better.

>>33293352
No idea, I just got it and have no place to shoot.

>>33293458
Shoot it a few times then reclean it. It'll look much better

>>33277028
there were literally like 50 million of the damn things made, the supply has far from run out. There are still stockpiles of them all over Russia and Eastern Europe. We are a long way from running out of nuggets. The price increase is artificial and mostly created by importers to maximize profits due to popularity.

>>33277587
I kinda want one myself. If you can find one that isn't a POS and overpriced, go for it.

>>33293722
>there were literally like 50 million of the damn things made
Yes, that's true. Now between two world wars, several minor wars and the post-WWII smelter how many do you think remain? And yes, that's why all the Mosins imported have good barrels the ones that didn't went straight into the smelter.

>There are still stockpiles of them all over Russia and Eastern Europe. We are a long way from running out of nuggets.
And yet, none are being imported. Hmmmm.

>The price increase is artificial and mostly created by importers to maximize profits due to popularity.
No it's wasn't. They were imported from the various countries of the former Soviet Union, mostly Ukraine, and were imported during the late 1990s and early 2000s when their economy was a shit.

Guess what, they can sell a M91/30 in a Russian gun shop right now for $400. They aren't ever going to sell that same gun to an importer for $5 so you can buy them for $100.

Again, learn about supply and demand.

>>33291952
ive been coming to 4channels since 04-05 and I still consider myself a newfag

I remember when /b/ didn't suck

>>33291784
Those things were just for sale for $250 on a Slickguns link but sold out on Friday. Pissed me off because payday was today and I really wanted one.

>>33276861

Good on you for refinishing your rifle. There is
literally nothing wrong with making any collectable
look more appealing.

The day will come, and soon, when appraisers and
collectors pull their heads out of their asses and start recognizing the difference between damage and
patina.

In firearms and furniture, it is a true fact that the
craftsmen who built and finished these things
would be rolling in their graves to see their creations
in such shit shape, and likely they'd vomit ll over
dimwitted "appraisers" who take it upon themselfs
to assign nearly arbitrary and entirely subjective values.

I blame antiques roadshow for exposing the masses
to this form of Autism.

An original finish on a rare gun is one thing...
an unsightly mosin OTOH

>>33293934
>there is literately nothing wrong with making a collectable not a collectable anymore
I should go sand the original finish off all of my guns. While we're at it, why don't I touch up the Mono Lisa?

>>33276871
do it breh, you won't regret it even if it's been rechambered for 9.

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How much /k/? Its been on armslist for trade for a week now the ad asks for an offer.

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$250 Good grade 92S from J&G sales.

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>>33294151
Barrel.

>>33288387
>>33288577
>>33288592
God I love Mosins.
Moar.

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>>33294215
Ok.

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>>33293934
You seem to be confusing patina, neglect, and authenticity as one subject.


At no point did Russia dye the stocks bright red. At no point did they take a shellac'd finish and just sand it off for luls.

At no point will an appraiser grade a sanded and stained rifle higher than a factory correct one.

I'm not even in the "purist" camp. I degrease everything and repair cracks. A stock soaked in sweat, oil, grease and trench shit doesn't magically cease aging, but it does accelerate decomposition.

The difference is you're encouraging faggots to destroy equipment instead of using period and arsenal correct maintenance procedures

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>>33294215

>>33294129
didn't some anon post a pic of this exact rifle not too long ago? That tiger striping g looks really familiar

>>33294151
>>33294162
wow that looks really nice. Where is it from? Military surplus? Thing looks unissued

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>>33294129
Depends. Is it a samco reject that are routinely being sold for $150ish?

Most look like pic related under the wood.

That particular one looks sanded and i doubt they did it professionally so cross grain scratches, rounded corners, piss poor metal fitment, and lack of stamps would be expected.

Most lack the Spanish crest, some have been ground off, others just have enough wear the crest is shallow

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>>33294129
A numbers-matching M1916 2nd-pattern in 7x57mm in actual GOOD condition (as opposed to Century "Good" condition) would be worth $200-250.

>>33294298
Police surplus from Italy. There is a little holster wear, but I agree the condition exceeds good.

>>33294259
>A stock soaked in sweat, oil, grease and trench shit doesn't magically cease aging, but it does accelerate decomposition.
It really doesn't even do that.

>instead of using period and arsenal correct maintenance procedures
Even those effect value of a piece. Let's be frank, the military didn't give a shit about their guns unless they worked. They didn't care if they destroyed a stock because they have spares they could put on. And they would also do things to a stock, leather item, etc. that would help make the thing function that have long term detrimental effect on preservation of the piece. For instance, taking boot polish to your brand new old 10 year old boots may make them supple and easier to use. Doing that to a Civil War era cartridge box and the thing will disintegrate.

>>33294339
>>33294476
Thanks, its 7.62x51. The last ad wanted to trade for a .357 for his mother or something, saying his father died.
Is the tiger stripe something normal seen on these? It isn't too far so I may check it out.

>>33294047
>I should go sand the original finish off all of my guns.

Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy famalito.

>>33294259
>At no point did Russia dye the stocks bright red. At no point did they take a shellac'd finish and just sand it off for luls.
>At no point will an appraiser grade a sanded and stained rifle higher than a factory correct one.

Given that a 99.9999% of Mosin Nagant rifles

are not collectible (or even interesting) why

would it even matter?

I own a nice LC smith specialty grade with all its
original
finish. Then again I have a Browning Auto 5 that
I stripped and finished in linseed and beeswax.
Then my 96/11 was stripped and lacquered because
it was sporterized and beat up to begin with.

does any of this resonate?

>>33294540
It depends entirely on the purpose of owning the firearm.

>>33294540
>Given that a 99.9999% of Mosin Nagant rifles are not collectible (or even interesting)

You obviously aren't a collector. And because of ignorant idiots like you, idiots will destroy the really collectable one because "it's just a Mosin."

Idiots said the same thing with Enfields, Mausers, Arisakas, Springfields, Krags, etc. etc. Just what, they aren't $50 anymore either!

>>33294568
An obsession with obsolete artifacts that have long ago reached the limits of their price:performance ratio when objectively superior modern alternatives exist is a sign of fedora tipping autism.

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>>33294525
>The last ad wanted to trade for a .357 for his mother or something, saying his father died.
Did Röhm make a .357? That's the only .357 I can see trading for it.
>Is the tiger stripe something normal seen on these?
It's sort of a random thing; the factory didn't care how pretty the stock blank was as long as it was cut correctly, so they just used whatever, which can result in some very pretty stocks. Personally while I find it can enhance the appeal of a desired firearm, it's not high on my list of condition requirements.

>>33294568
>You obviously aren't a collector.

I know the difference between a $500 place holder and a $3000+ collectible of actual significance.

>Enfields, Mausers, Arisakas, Springfields, Krags

All very common rifles, rare features and historically important owners aside. None of these things is worth getting butthurt over when the current owner wants it to look a particular way.

There are in fact so many of each of those rifles, that if you crushed 25% of them and didnt make an announcement, the market wouldnt fucking notice.

>>33294646
>I know the difference between a $500 place holder and a $3000+ collectible of actual significance.
Since when is there a monetary value assigned to being a collectable or not?

>All very common rifles, rare features and historically important owners aside. None of these things is worth getting butthurt over when the current owner wants it to look a particular way.
Says the non collector.

>There are in fact so many of each of those rifles, that if you crushed 25% of them and didnt make an announcement, the market wouldnt fucking notice.
And yet, all of those have thousands of rare variation that retards like yourself can't comprehend. I myself have posted many in this thread.

You again, show your ignorance on supply and demand.

>>33294681
Poorshit """collectors""" of the kind found on /k/ are autistic.

>>33292874
>>33294162
Man, how do I determine what a good bore looks like? I have no idea, I just see ridges.

>33294737(you)
Ok chief.

>>33294681
>Since when is there a monetary value assigned to being a collectable or not?

There is no getting around it anon, value comes from scarcity and desirability. Money is the easiest way to illuminate the differences we are trying to discuss.

Lets try to keep that in mind too, its a matter of opinions obviously, and I am not attacking you. Its been incredibly civil for /k/ so far and there's no need for ad hominem.

I've been very active in collecting guns, clocks, and furniture for about ten years. I think the more exposure you get to the transaction side, the more you come to see where value really lies.

Example: I have plenty of 18th century furniture, but only one Hepplewhite. So the unknown maker dining set is nice, but it's not important or exceedingly collectible compared to the real goods.

>>33294786

>33294737(you)
Ok chief.

holy shit /k/apt, you just outed yourself BIGTIME.

I'm not on here calling people names, but you certainly would love to make it seem that way in order to, what? discredit my opinions?

I think you can go now.

>>33294856
....

I feel like you're missing out on some critical part of my post.

>>33294868

i didnt get that you were sarcastically giving out a (you). Havent seen it done quite that way man.

FWIW your collection is nice as fuck. You probably lean fairly conservative on restoration? anything to add?

>>33294822
>There is no getting around it anon, value comes from scarcity and desirability. Money is the easiest way to illuminate the differences we are trying to discuss.
Yes, but the price of something doesn't always correlate with how rare or collectable a piece is. I have own guns that are probably 10 or less known to exist and yet it wasn't that expensive because very few know of it.

>>33294925
>You probably lean fairly conservative on restoration?
A true restoration adds value, but for it to be in need of a restoration means the piece has very little value beforehand and as such will be worth a lot less than an original piece. It's only original once.

>>33294925
Thanks. And yeah, don't fuck with them beyond cleaning if they aren't broken. To me it's about the preservation of history. Finish on a rifle may seem like a trivial thing but in 100 or 500 years that's knowledge that might be lost, along with all sorts of other information. Having a rifle with its original refurb finish can tell you a great deal, especially the farther you move forward (or backwards from our own point of view) in history. But if large swaths of them have been refinished by bubbas, then that information is lost. They lose a lot of their historical significance.

Also the way most people refinish doesn't preserve the rifle as well, so there will be fewer of them in general.

>>33276882
>implying mosins have value

>>33286569
yeah, our magazine laws suck.

Thanks for sharing everyone, now...

back to dicks caught in chambers and bolts up our arses!!!

>>33287436
Get a sporterized one cheap with only the wood fucked up and restore it.

>>33288315
Beautiful trio

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>>33295011
>Implying they don't

>>33295011
The same people who say this shit are the ones calling them "garbage" rods and complaining they aren't $100 anymore.

Just picked up my M48. Where do I get an authentic, good sling for not much money? Or 8mm clips?

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>>33294963
>but for it to be in need of a restoration means the piece has very little value beforehand and as such will be worth a lot less than an original piece


Complete bullshit.

The unmolested never fired original will be will be worth more. But the only ones who truly care about worth are the art "investment" fags


Many of us collectors place value in the gun, not the theoretical price or worth

A professionally (IE Turnbull) redone firearm can be worth nearly the same as the museum quality art piece.

If i had a choice between a reblued dardick and a safe queen i would choose the reblued because i would fully intend to fire the thing.


Furthermore why does a restored car have more value than an as found "original" most of which will meet the same price as a barn find or whatever a car safe queen would be

>>33295146
If liberty tree doesn't have the sling you have to trawl auction sites like everyone else.

Same with clips. Though you can get them with nearly any surplus ammo even if they're not technically correct Yugo in origin


Milsurp isn't really millennial friendly if you expect easy and quick instant gratification

Source: I've been looking for an authentic Japanese cleaning kit for yeaaarsss

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>>33295146
>M48 sling
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/K98-SLING-NEW-MAUSER-YUGO-p67.htm

>8mm clips?
I just get them on surplus ammo. The 2-pc Yugo nickel-plated steel ones are best. Must have about a hundred loose ones now.

Okay, taking apart my M48 for cosmo removal now.

Do I take out the capture screw for the bottom part? Or do I just engage the bigger one that is captured

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>>33295890
Normally you don't take the lock screw out all the way, just turn it until the action screw has free travel. But since you're cleaning the cosmo out, I'd take all the screws out to get the grease off.