Gun illiterate attic find

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>>33271420
BTW most of the pictures i took are over 4MB. So i can't even show you the state these rifles are in

>>33271420
What makes you think they need restoring? Unless the internals are as rusted as that barrel exterior, they should still be fine. Use lots of oil, clean gently, and keep them oiled to prevent further corrosion.

Consider electrolysis, if the rusted parts are causing you grave concern.

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>>33271420
>>33271435
>Be FrankeinReich fag
>Has a Nazi 98k and a Bertheir
Holy fuck dude Hide that shit. You need it for the coming race war. Get oil and a good set of punches and screwdriver set. and a rod and brush so you can clean the bore. Find some 8mm Mauser and 8mm Lebel before its to late. Hope this is legit and not bait. Get ready to defend your home dog

>>33271471
i'm trying to get the image size down to show you guys the state of the guns, because these are the only two images i can post without 4chan kike pass

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>>33271420
German Kar.98k. Post a pic of the top of the receiver ring like so, and a pic of both rifles overall.

>>33271435
Berthier Mle.07-15/M34 or just M34 short rifle.

Nice finds OP.

>>33271420
Post pics of the bores op.

If the bores aren't rusted too badly the rifles should be workable.

I'm interested in the legal aspect of this thread as well.

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>>33271540
Like this?

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>>33271592
This is what you wanted right? (Mauser)
Sorry guys, I never had any experiences with guns other than shooting a 1911 at a shooting range

>>33271599
Danke.
>dou
>44
Made at the Waffen Werke Brunn, the former Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka factory in the city of Brno, Czechoslovakia in 1944.

Found some more info on your >>33271435 Berthier M34: http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20Mle%2007-15%20M34.html

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all three of them, as you can see one MAS is pretty fucked

>>33271496
use imgur

>>33271627
That's it.

It doesn't look good op.

>>33271599
some steel wool and some oil and I think this one will clean right up

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This is the MAS in better condition

>>33271627
Oh sweet baby jes >>33271647
OH MY CHRIST CLEAN THEM ;_____:

>>33271665
My dad found them in between two destroyed buildings when he was a kid in the 60's, and they haven't been looked after since my grandparents don't really care about them

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>>33271678
please clean ;______________________;

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>>33271420
Fucking shit anon, you need to maintain those things, get some ammo, and DO NOT TELL ANYONE YOU HAVE THEM!

>>33271700
The thing is how the fuck do I restore them:
being a gun retard
Living in France where gun control is pretty hardcore
And having no material to restore the stocks, barrels, receivers etc ( i imagine that i can buy parts but i don't know if i need a gun license to buy them)

>>33271720
The mas are fucked I dont know if they are worth your time even trying to fix up. Go to a hardware store and buy steel wool and some oil and then get a screwdriver and dissasemble the kar and start taking the rust off of it. There are disassembly videos on youtube if you cannot figure out how.

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OP here. Uploading all pics to imgur for those interested. Link soon

>>33271720
Ask >>33250585

You should be extra careful with the MAS 36 (this one >>33271663) since the finish is simply lacquer paint and some cleaning compounds may strip it off. I know for a fact Hoppes no9 will.

>>33271742
agree pour oil all over those things

>>33271647
the one on the top should be disassembled and scrapped for parts. bottom has the best chance of still working. good luck with middle.

>>33271720
Don't know about the barrel, bolt, and reciever but other parts should not need any license.

The MAS 36 has a screw with 2 holes. It's called a "security bit" in the US. You will need to modify a commercial security bit. Once you replace the front wood of the MAS 36 you will need to replace the rear sight since removing the wood disrupts the zeroing. You can only "re-zero" the gun by firing it.

>>33271647
Honestly I think with a very VERY light sanding and some fresh oil, that wood can look pretty nice again.

>>33271720
Assuming you are okay with registering them.

-Get a hunting or sport shooting license.
-Have the paperwork filled by an armorer, or do it yourself. You inherited them, so it's alright.
At that point you are life-time clear, you don't have to renew anything.
-Hand them to a competent gunsmith specialized in restoring firearms.

Internals seems salvageable, but won't perform very well.
Wood is beyond fucked.
So if you want them back operational, your gunsmith might have to pull some miracles and defintely re-build/buy some parts.

Unless they have historical or sentimental value, I advise just restoring the materials, and leaving them as is.

Alternatively if you don't want to register them and since the guns are fucked anyway, you could ask him to deactivate it instead of registering it.

>>33271627
wow i didn't know there were smoothbore mausers.

No wonder the germans lost

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>>33271794
Specifically the "spanner" in pic related is the bit type to use.

The broken one cant possibly be a MAS 36. It's perhaps a Berthier.

>>33271742
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>>33271797
I should leave /b/ more often. Not used to people being nice. Thanks guys!
>>33271777
Check'd

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did op time stamp?

If you were in the united states I would offer you several hundred dollars for the kar and try my luck with it

>>33271435
Just resize in paint?

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>>33271811
The boards that have hobbies tend to be decently helpful as long as you handle the bantz. Well except /fit/. /fit/ died around 2012.

>tfw you miss old /fit/

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>>33271825

>>33271649
imgur.com /a/ 8CZiS

>>33271852
Cool finds, anon. I don't have much to add, aside from another request to please clean them. But they're nice old guns, and you're lucky to have them. You never know what kind of great history those guns have seen.

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imgur.com/a/8CZiS
All photos for you guys

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>>33271880
The Mauser was stamped 1914 and was found in France so jesus christ I could only imagine

>>33271742
>>33271777
What kind of oil? This might sound like a retarded question but I've been a city boy all my life

>>33271902
Assuming you can't get a gun oil made for the purpose, then use the cooking oil with the highest smoke point you can find, like peanut oil.

>>33271902
For the metal bits you could use something like Ballistol or Breakfree. It's a solvent that cleans, lubes and protects the gun so I'd take it apart and spray oil all over the metal bits. After letting them sit for a few minutes wipe them down. Hell, Ballistol was invented specifically for the German army of that era.

For the wood, you could use mineral oils or linseed oil to preserve. Careful with boiled linseed oil though. Rags coated in it have been known to spontaneously ignite.

>>33271902
Worst case scenario wd 40

All I know about this is that it's probably best not to clean these guns yourself, if you care about their value.

>>33271922
WD40 will gum up everything because it's waxy. It's a terrible choice. I'd use clean motor oil before I use WD40.

>>33271922
absolutely do not do this. use fucking cooking oil before you ever resort to WD-40 on guns.

>>33271902
I've heard good things about ballistol oil.

So to clean them i should use Ballistol for the metal, and linseed oil for the wood? What tools should i use (other than a screwdriver) i told my grandfather about using steel wool but he was scared it would scratch the metal (but i might have mistranslated steel wool)

>>33271989
to avoid scratching the metal, you just use a softer metal, like a copper wire brush.

>>33271981
>Bastille oil.
FTFY

>>33271989
Use a very very fine steel wool to just take off the rust and layers of oxidation sitting on top of the metal. You won't scratch it as long as you don't use something like coarse sand paper.

But yeah linseed oil is what's always recommended for axe handles and other wooden tools. You could apply a varnish on top I suppose but that's your call if you want to make it shiny.

>>33271989
Use the finest steel wool you can find, not like the kind you use for pans. They make bronze wool as well which you could try

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>>33271989
This is the kind of steel wool you want. Idk how they are marketed in France but 0000 means it's super-fine. Don't scrub too hard either, think of it as buffing a car rather than scrubbing a pan.

>>33271647
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=596&idcategory=66

>>33271720
build an electrolysis tank

>>33272080
He's in France. The parts are probably even cheaper, and he can probably find pre-war shit.

>>33271647
Clean them up, get some replacement furniture for the top one. Repair or replace the furniture on the middle one and you have some nice bits of history.

You can check out https://www.apexgunparts.com/french-mas/mas-36.html as a example. There are probably local resources.

I think they are Category C (requires a hunting licence or to be affiliated with a shooting range and have a medical certificate) in France.

>>33271989
I hope this is common sense but shouldn't you use a damp rag to wipe off the dust first?

Thanks for all the tips guys. If people are interested i'll keep you guys updated when I start taking the krautstick apart to clean it up. Won't be tomorrow since in France all the shops are fucking closed on sundays. You'll also be able to stop me fucking things up

>>33272136
I'd use an alcohol rag just to avoid getting water into places you don't want water since he's trying to restore them but yeah lol

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>>33272136
Don't worry i'm french not retarded

>>33271797
>doubting historical value of a MAS 36
>that served in wwii
>defended its homeland against the filthy boche
>Pierre channeled the fighting spirit of his father
>And his father
>And his father
>And took as many Germans to hell with him as he could
>With that rifle
>Or, I mean, he just got fucking REKT in an artillery barrage
>You never know
Anyway fuck you all MAS should be preserved they are beautiful

Hey, that linseed oil? It's extremely flammable. As in people throw linseed-soaked rags in the garbage bin and then later it goes poof - even without applying matches.

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>>33272138
O yes take a photo project series.
Take time on Sunday to research legal ownership. Not sure how it works in France but antique/historical/inheritance might have some options for legal ownership.
Hopefully you can recover at least one to a fire able condition.

>>33272188
Tung oil is better in every possible way.

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>>33271720
Honestly just watch some videos on youtube on cleaning guns and rust removal (though that may devalue the rifles). All the materials you need shouldn't be regulated in any way and can be found at a hardware store. Just be prudent and make sure not to fuck it up (especially the k98). Pretty much as long as you do not bubba the rifles and stay to the original design you will be fine.
>>33271811
Though /k/ is super easy to troll, anons here can still be pretty helpful, especially because we all have a shared interest.

>>33272138
good luck take lots of pictures for us

>>33271647
Get yourself a new stock for the one on the top

>>33272197
Cute. How long does it take for tung oil to cure? I'm not talking about polymerized versions. We literally do not have armory grade tung oil available any more

>>33272197

Never heard of it before. Thanks for the tip.

>>33272216
stock on them looks rotted
mauser looks okay

>>33272223

A week to cure fully, iirc. Will be dry to the touch in an hour.

>>33271647
The first one looks like some kind of weird mosin

>>33272188
I already mentioned that it was, but once you let it dry it shouldn't ignite on the actual rifle. Care should be taken with the rags of course.

>>33272236

I think it is a Berthier carbine, which certainly fits with the French theme. Would love to see that one in close up and better light.

>>33272236
It's a Berthier Mle.1907-15/M34, a Berthier converted to 7.5x54mm with a 5-round Mauser-style box magazine.

>>33272263
>>33272236
Here is the imgur if you guys want more pics. Don't know if you saw the link
imgur.com /a/ 8CZiS

>>33272288
>imgur.com /a/ 8CZiS
you don't meed to put spaces in, you can just post the URL http://imgur.com/a/8CZiS

>>33271902
Kano Kroil

https://www.amazon.com/Kano-Kroil-Penetrating-liquid-KROIL/dp/B000F09CF4

Don't listen to these other nimrods.

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>>33272303
I don't know why i thought links were unauthorised. Maybe i'm half mongoloid

>>33272303
>http://imgur.com/a/8CZiS

nice! good luck with the project and keep taking pics!

>>33271678

How/where they found? Anymore details? Wrapped or stored in something? Visions of a partisan/French Resistance person stashing rifles and never coming back to pick them up keep popping up. If so it would be a crime to let them rust away.

>>33272288
>http://imgur.com/a/8CZiS

Oh. Ok. Yeah. that takes care of the identification. Frankly I would just wipe off the MAS and the Berthier and keep them like that. They are going to be expensive to restore. Badly. The 98 might be worth the effort.

>>33271420
Je dois t'informer que ces armes sont présentement en catégorie C, déclaration à la préfecture obligé.
Ne montre pas ses armes à n'importe qui, je voudrais pas que t'as des problèmes avec les flics à cause d'une trouvaille de grenier.

Trouve quelqu’un pour les restaurer et les déclarer, tu peux pas les déclarer en préfecture sans avoir une permis de chasse ou de tir sportif.

>>33272373
I just asked my father where he found them and he told me that they were in multiple buildings on my grandfathers farm. Two were in between two destroyed houses and one was in a stove in a bakery. Too bad my great grandfather lost almost all the land before my grandfather inherited it. He's only left with the main house built in 1789.
I remember my grandma telling me a story of her father hiding weapons in his factory for the resistance. He hid them in the first room the krauts would walk in so that they wouldn't think to search it

>>33272421
It would probably be worth restoring in France. I'm sure WWII rifles aren't very common over there.

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Contact author Le Polemarche online. I believe he is very knowledgeable about historical guns in France. PS can you translate the attached image?

>>33272151
What's the difference?

>>33272449
Ok It would be a crime to let them fade away. IMOHO They are pretty significant to your family history. Make sure you document their story and pass it along with them.

Get your self a firearms licence quickly.

>>33272432
Has some good advice. It would suck to get in trouble.

>>33272478

If the link below isn't too out of date, those 60 million French have about 20 million registered guns between them. Doesn't sound that bad?

http://www.alanpearce.com/gun/html/gun_ownership_and_shooting_in_2.html

>>33272432
>Trouve quelqu’un pour les restaurer et les déclarer
Si c'est quelqu'un en dehors de ma famille on ne sera pas autorisé de les garder non? Sinon penses-tu que ça vaut la peine de me faire un permis de chasse/tir? (J'ai 19 ans, citadin toute ma vie.)

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>>33271647
OP I'm going to try to put this as nice as possible. It's something that you can easily fuck up if you do things wrong.

Besides taking the guns apart and oiling the metal I wouldn't do ANYTHING else. I'd wash the stock down wish some some soapy water too.

Also the Mle1936 rifle has it's rear band backwards.
>>33271663
That's a K series. I own a K series that is a little later that yours and it was made in June of 1940 so right before the armistice was signed. Yours would have been made in probably May. Yours may have been issued to someone in the French Army before France fell, but it's probably rifles that were issued to German troops on the Atlantic Wall.

Same goes for the other guns. There is no doubt in my mind that they were collected during the invasion of Normandy for whatever reason. The M34 Berthier for instance has a broken stock. That is pretty typical for soldiers to destroy enemy weapons by smashing the stock against a tree.

>>33272517
je te conseille de devenir tireur sportif, comme ça tu pourras sans soucis avoir ces armes et encore d'autres

http://arpac.eu/comment-sarmer

le liens là explique comment c'est facile d'avoir des armes en fait, il faut payer bien sur, les licences au clubs sont entre 100 et 200€ la année

>>33272517
What is the minimum age for Class C in France?

>>33272098
>He's in France. The parts are probably even cheaper, and he can probably find pre-war shit.
Lolno. The pre-war parts are unobtainum, even in France. Hell, even pre-armistace made rifles like he has is nearly impossible to find in France. The ones in France got rebuilt.

Also, as a collector, he shouldn't switching parts around. The history should be left alone.

>>33271435

Download Riot and optimize your images with it; it's not that hard and what i often do for bloated phone photos that are too big to send through tinypngs website.

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>>33272518
Samefag here, OP you should also go hunting for the parts that were taken off. All three have parts missing. Someone, maybe your grandfather was tinkering around with them and started removing parts before they were hidden and forgotten.

The Berthier is missing it's handguards and barrel bands. The Mle-1936 is missing it's floorplate and the screws for both the bands. The Kar98k is missing both the front and rear sight and the front sight hood. Pretty strange desu.

>>33272644
thanks for letting me know man!
BTW my grandfather had no fucking clue they were on the property when father found them. Maybe they were already missing when they were stashed? We may never know...

>>33272503
"life is not a french campaign" (google translate).
Usually don't find French WWII jokes funny but I think i will use this one.

The bolt on the Mauser is rusted stuck. Would that be a problem when dissassembling it?

>>33272756
soak it in oil

>>33271805
Fucking kek

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>>33272669
I can see things like the floorplate being dropped, since it's just a button you push and it falls out, but someone had to have a screwdriver to take everything apart.

Like the rear barrel band is on totally wrong. The sling swivel goes on the left (pic related). So someone took the sling off, then the parts, looked at everything, then tried to put everything back together how they were but was lazy doing so.

It honestly sounds like something a bored kid would do. Maybe not your grandfather, but maybe a sibling or someone else that lived on your farm.

It's honestly a pretty cool find and from what I've heard, not something uncommon to find in Europe especially this close to such a large invasion happened.

>>33272756
Soak everything that is metal in penetrating oil. First start with the screws. Just keep soaking them for at least several days considering how rusty everything is. Then try to turn it with a screwdriver that fits the head correctly. Get them loose and then take the entire gun apart and soak the entire thing in more penetrating oil. This may be a month or two long process but it's best to spend your time. If your rush things you will fuck them up.

I also prefer fine copper or bronze wool for derusting the gun as it's less likely to harm the finish. You can also use a copper coin for really nasty bits of rust. You also need a bronze bore brush for the barrels. Just go slow on everything and with a lot more oil.

Prends une brosse de cuivre et de l'huile pour fusil. Brosse toute la rouille sur les surfaces, le plus que tu peux. Ça va te prendre au moins une heure par gun.

Ensuite, démonte ce que tu peux démonter. Le reste, trempe dans l'huile et réessaie après.

Si ça marche pas, va voir un armurier du coin. Google it. Dans tous les cas faudra que tu les fasses inspecter à un point ou un autre pour voir si elles sont sécuritaires.

>>33272756
>The bolt on the Mauser is rusted stuck. Would that be a problem when dissassembling it?
Soak the action in oil, leave it for a while then give it the boot if needs be.

Detail strip it, get a very stiff nylon bristled brush and some general purpose oil like 3-in1 or even some motor oil, use that shit like it's toothpaste, and scrub the red rust, it won't remove any of the finish but it will help to prevent more damage and reveal the extent of the pitting. You might need to go on to a delicate brass brush but don't do that just yet. Then just lather everything in oil and wipe it down. Leave a thin film of oil everywhere. Just generally give it a clean up.

Those stocks have the worm though, isolate them from anything else wooden and see if they're still active. The 98's stock could probably be saved.

>>33272864
While I shamefully have to use google translate, one hour per gun is much too generous. And while the guns may be 'safe' to shoot, I wouldn't. The barrels are gonna be shit and they won't shoot that well. And I think the stocks on the rifles should be left as is because I am a collector.

>>33272890
>The 98's stock could probably be saved.
There really isn't anything wrong with the stock. I would just rub it down with some soapy water to try to clean off some of the dust and maybe rust that has leeched on the surface. If there is any mold on the stock just leave the stock outside for a few days in the summer sun.

>>33272922
I just told him in french that cleaning the surface rust would take at least 1h per gun. And that anyways, at some point, he would have to get the guns checked by an armorer to see if they're safe to shoot.

>>33272845
>>33272890
Nvm I somehow got the bolt to open but the safety is stuck. I realised that the cleaner rod is missing, that's not too bad is it?
>>33272922
I agree about shooting the Krautgun. I don't fucking trust myself to handle a firearm with live ammunition and anyway, i won't be able to buy ammo for it without a license.

>>33272968
The cleaning rod isn't necessary for the functioning of the gun.

Omellete du fremage

>>33271647
That top rifle is not a MAS 36.

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>>33272959
Even 1 hour for just the surface rust is a lot. When it comes to rust, you should just let it soak and soak it some more. Time is your ally.

Wouldn't these also have to be sent to the proof house too? I'm not up to snuff on the French proof laws.

>>33272968
The cleaning rod was only 30cm long. They had a chain they used to put an oily patch on to clean the barrel. A soldier would have to get several more cleaning rods together to make a full sized rod to use and that would only be done for really nasty barrel or a stuck case that needs to be pushed out. You need to go buy a cleaning rod meant for that purpose and I don't know if you need a license to do that either.

Mostly the cleaning rod is just to stack the arm. Sort of like this.

>>33273101
Not him but for cleaning I like to use bore-snakes. Idk how easily you can get one in France but they make the process a lot easier. I still have a cleaning rod in case of stuck rounds but bore snakes rock.

>>33273394
Bore snakes are fine for average cleaning, not for shit like this >>33271627

>>33273498
What do you recommend I use to clean that barrel? A normal cleaning rod with a cotton patch? (And Ballistol is used for all of the metal parts of the gun or should i hold off on certain parts?)

>>33271647
If you want to know the value of what you got go to some gun shows, there are plenty in Northern France. You can find them by region or date here :
http://abcollection.com/fr/bourse/sommaire.php
As some other anons stated, you can register them. You'll need first to find a sport shooting club, pay the annual fee and federation license. Sometimes they will ask you to attend compressed air shooting course to begin during the first months. Once you have a valid license (validated by a doctor) you'll be able to register it, category C just requires a declaration done by an armorer.
You can buy ammo only with a valid shooting license. Some parts can be bought only with the declaration paper. Every furniture needed to clean it can be bought freely (cleaning rod, patches, brushes, etc.)
You can try to buy dummy cartridges of the appropriate caliber to try the mechanism.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do OP, the kraut rifle looks good and can be worth taking time and money to make it nice again.

>>33273597
I'd get a cork and shove it up it's poophole then filling the barrel full of oil and let it sit for at least a few days. I'd drain the nasty oil off and pull the cork out. Then get a bronze bore brush and from poophole again shove it down the barrel towards the muzzle. Remove the bolt first, obviously. Every pass you do knock off the rust on the brush. Oil it up and do another pass. It won't be pretty when it's done.

You would need a brush like this for it: https://www.amazon.com/Outers-30-Caliber-Bronze-Threads/dp/B0011ZOX06

For the other two you need a 7.62 or .30 cal brush. The Mauser has a 7.92 barrel so it's wider.

>>33273659
Shit so the inside of the barrel will be fucked up once finished? As in it will only look good but not be effective in keeping the bullet straight?

>>33273063
OH DEXTER

>>33273770
He meant the brush won't be pretty when it's done. We can't really tell you how the barrel is going to perform until it's clean and we can see the rifling or pitting but honestly I wouldn't expect for much with what you've shown us so far. It'll be a great piece of history to display in your home, and I'm pretty jealous of you, but I don't know how straight it will shoot.

>>33273770
Hard to tell without cleaning it, but the barrel will probably be pretty worn and pitted when it's cleaned up. All three are pretty neat guns that are best served as wall hangers.

>>33271420
I'm unsure about which domestic oils are most popular in France, but here in Burgerland coconut oil is very cheap, can be bought in massive jars, and is excellent for rust removal and metal preservation (FrogLube is like 99% coconut oil).

Plus, not obviously gun-related, and there's not much to worry about if/when you spill it somewhere. It will be solid when it's not warm outside, but it should work fine for these purposes and cause no harm.

>>33271627
You can practice firing indoors by stacking up cheap books and shooting through them. Just make sure you have a backstop behind them.

>>33271627
lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of WD-40 followed by a brass brush

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>>33271627
>>33271647

>>33271902
>>33271922
>>33271930
WD-40 is a penetrating oil. spray it liberally on all the rust. it will soak into the rust an begin loosening it from the steel. dont lubricate with wd-40

>>33274922
Poor kitty ;_;

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>>33271627
you need to clean the bore
I use pic related with a long cleaning rod & VFG "superior intense bore cleaner" for shit like this

>>33273770
>Shit so the inside of the barrel will be fucked up once finished? As in it will only look good but not be effective in keeping the bullet straight?
impossible to tell until its clean. although even a pitted bore can shoot accurately. it all depends on how much rifling is left and how strong it is. you very well may have an extremely accurate rifle under all that rust

>>33271720
Get a gun license then 'find' them again if you're that worried
don't see why they wouldn't let you keep them then

>>33271797
>this whole post
Dumb yuroshit.

>>33271720
Guns are just metal. I'd not worry about the finish on the rougher weapons and use a good commercial rust remover to dip clean them to bare metal, oil the parts for storage, then refinish them yourself over time.

OP can use them to learn how to work on rifles which knowledge is worth a lot more than the rifles! Begin with the nastiest weapon because if you dick it up learning, you'll still have learned. Take your time.

My main interest is motorcycles followed by machine tools, but I enjoy guns too. This page has some excellent homebrew cleaners and lubes:

http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm

>>33275493
BTW never dip before disassembly! You must be able to completely clean whatever you apply to the mechanism.

Acetone is relatively safe and is used to clean welding regulators to "oxygen safe" condition. Quite flammable, best used outdoors or with excellent ventilation.

>>33274930
Water displacement-40. WD-40 is crap.
>>33275012
Foaming bore cleaning is great for fouling, not for rust.

>>33275493
None of them are bad enough to warrant a refinish.

This is why non-collectors shouldn't post in this thread.

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>>33275589
>WD-40 is crap.
ok kid. come back when you have your own tools

>>33271660
>steel wool
no no nonononononono

bronze wool is an antique firearm collector's friend

>>33271420
also good luck with keeping those. especially the k98. the govt will seize it as it still has a swastika. unless you know the right people.

>>33271647
obrez the top one you are halfway there already

>>33271893
the 1914 stamped gun was to instruct op what needed to be photographed for identification, OPs is a 1944 rifle

>>33275634

I had a friend who bought a sharps with all matching serials. Had a bit of rust, he ended up using sand paper to get rid of it.

>>33275711
not a good idea OP will do more harm than good

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>>33275600
Not that anon, but WD-40 a shit

>>33272327
This nigga knows what's up

>>33271420
Is that the only photo of a swastika you got OP?

Show me a fucking swastika

>>33272327
ATF+Acetone works better for less $$

>>33275634
>also good luck with keeping those. especially the k98. the govt will seize it as it still has a swastika. unless you know the right people.
No they won't. Jesus Christ people are stupid here.

>>33275801
Now I'm actually embarrassed enough that I took that picture. I knew these were German guns, but I didn't realize that was a Nazi eagle until you just mentioned that one.

I'm not having it. Sorry folks, but I'm going to destroy that gun right now, and I'll be giving it to the police later. I wanted this to be a fun project, but the Nazis were racist monsters. I would not have a Nazi symbol in our house, even if it weren't illegal, which it justifiably is.

Maybe I'll have better luck with the other two guns.

>>33275928
pls be bait

>>33275928
thats dumb. a rifle is just a rifle. the Free French would be damn happy to have a swastika covered Mauser with which to kill Germans with. you may need that rifle some day. it would be prudent to keep it

>>33275734

I told him that, he responded back in a text with "I can just spray paint it black" which he did.

He also thinks it's completely fine to get black out shit faced, all the while playing with loaded guns.

The more I think about it, the more I see why I don't hang out with him any more.

>>33275965
How would they be happy? It has a damn Nazi symbol on it, and it was built by Nazis to kill Jews and dominate the rest of the world. Nope, nope, nope, not having it.

I'll return back in a few minutes when I've snapped the barrel in half.

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>>33276010
The Jews didn't mind using German Mausers and Panzers to defend Israel against the Arabs after WW2, chompsky honk.

>>33271599
>dou
>44

Damn nice find

>>33276010
>How would they be happy?
because its the best weapon they could possible have. and its the best weapon you will ever have.
a rifle cannot have political views. its a piece of metal. if youre not trolling me then you have the mental capacity of a woman
>>33276029
hes right. Mauser 98s with swastikas on them were wielded by Jews to defend themselves from A-Rabs

>>33275704
Ah, my bad. Still though. That's a really good find.
>tfw you'll probably never find anything of historical significance while roaming the Arizona deserts

>>33276029
i can smell a troll that would organize gunguro

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>>33271902
REMOIL

do not use WD-40, its a water displacer not a penetrating oil

REMOIL and 100% copper wool. the copper will keep from scratching any of the remaining finish.

get a solid steel ramrod for the barrels and use a wire brush, that K98, once cleaned, will be shootable. The Mas might also be salvageable.

>>33275928
cool bait

>>33272327
>Kroil
>cancer in a can

fuck that shit, it works but itll kill you

>>33275928
>taking the bluepill this hard

I know you live in Normandy but holy shit how can you be so cucked/wrong? All these posts about the impending race war you arent even denying and all it took was for me to say "swastika" to turn you into a destructive groveling anti-white faggot. Allah Ackbar!

>>33276029
>>33276055
Well it doesn't matter. It's done. The stock is shattered into bits, the trigger guard is smashed flat, the foregrip is gone, and the barrel is bent at a 90 degree angle.

I was surpised how easy it all broke. Maybe it was the age or maybe it was because I was so furious to see that mark. Either way, I will not have that in this house, and I'm glad it's gone. Possessing it is a justifiable hate crime, and the Nazis commited numerous crimes against humanity. Good riddance, and maybe the interior officers can melt down the rest when I turn it in tomorrow.

>>33276141
If the background story is correct.
You realize someone risked their life to steal that rifle for the resistance. It's a war souvenir. Taking the enemies symbols is a victory.

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>>33274932

>"They would play chase with each other and she (Koko) would hold it and pet it," Cohn said. "The cat reacted to her as she would a human, but she was pretty independent and would bite Koko or wriggle loose when she got tired of being babied."
>When that happened, Koko would sign, "Obnoxious. Cat." by first pounding the wall and then running her hand across her cheek to designate whiskers, Cohn said.
>"When we told Koko, she acted like she didn't hear us for about 10 minutes," Cohn said. "Then she started whimpering--a distinct hooting sound that gorillas make when they are sad. We all started crying together."
>Koko then said, "Sleep. Cat." by folding her hands and placing them at the side of her head, Cohn said.

>You will never hug and hang out with Koko
>You will never show Koko how to clean and fish a rusted up MAS 36 and Mauser.

>>33276141
Tu es completement débile.
>>>/pol/

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>>33276185

>>33276209

Ok happier news. Koko got to pick two kittens from a litter later that year and for her birthday in 2015 she got to adopt two more.

Also fix a MAS 36, not fish. Though fishing for milsurp is interesting.

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>>33276185
proofs, bitch

>>33272035
you aren't fucking funny dude

>>33272035
here's your (you)

>>33276262
Not until I can sand the symbol off and maybe not even then. I won't have you /pol/ retards spreading it around for your racist propaganda.

Believe me though. It is over, and you Internet-Nazis will meet your end soon.

>>33276185
im 99% sure you are either trolling, or not even the OP. on the very slim chance you are telling the truth, you should know a few things
1)your grandfather and great grandfather are rolling in their graves. they risked life and limb to hide weapons away in case they would need them some day
2)you are going to regret it. when France descends into race war you will be defenseless. you will watch your mother be raped before your eyes and will be powerless to stop it. and the last thing you will see is a Tanned Frenchman standing above you with a sword or hammer, ready to deliver the killing blow

but like i said without a timestamp of the destroyed Mauser you are merely trolling

/k/ is the easiest board to troll

>>33276318
see>>33276319

reminder: you have the mental fortitude of a woman

>>33276319
I still have the other two guns upstairs without that hate symbol. They are French-made and I am proud of them. I will do everything I can to preserve and restore both.

>>33272188

>I have nothing of value to add to this conversation, but since you mention linseed oil

>RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>33276222
>>33276318
Lol are you literally anti-fa? What the fuck is your problem? Are we living in the same reality where Europe is turning into a cultural wasteland and none of you give a shit about anything other than your image?

I see it as a bad thing, clearly you do not. But at least you can tell your islamic grandkids no one called you racist!

>>33276353
>all of a sudden no pics

lol @ all of you taking the bait

>>33276666
Quads confirm gun is safe.

>suddenly stops posting

OP must have finally found the grenade.

>>33275928
God please don't be real

>>33271902
cosmoline

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How far have we fallen that men now have to ask for advise on how to remove rust from steel and to stop it coming back, and what oil is fit for this purpose?

>>33278539
hes french

>>33275801
That's not the only picture i have but the swastika can't be seen because of the rust. When i'll be cleaning the rust off the guns i'll gladly take more pictures of the details for you guys

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>>33275928
>>33276010
OP here. You'll need better bait man. I would smash my nuts with a baguette just to be able to keep it if the cops come

>>33275600
WD-40 isn't a penetrating oil.

>>33271720
>Living in France where gun control is pretty hardcore
Those are all Category C firearms, all you need to own them is a hunting licence or membership of a rifle club.

>>33275928
>>33276010
>>33279021
shit like this is why we need thread id's. everyone is still anonymous, but shitposters and samefags get exposed.

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>>33276353
>>33276185
>>33276318
>>33276010
>>33275928
Op here. Rifle is still here, rusty, but still in one piece

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>>33279122

>>33272235
>A week to cure fully, iirc. Will be dry to the touch in an hour.

Then its not tung oil. Its a blend of products marketed as tung oil. Most of these types are comprised of primarily linseed oil and metal drier, some solvent and perhaps a urethane or phenolic resin.
MSDS will say aliphatic hydrocarbons, which means no specific oil

>>33279127
>>33279122

go with god you beautiful French bastard

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So guys i decided to start disassembling the berthier (since its the most fucked up) to have a bit of experience with taking guns apart but i ran into a problem. The bolt is stuck and as you can see, normally the circled thing should be back a bit more

>>33271647
clean them or give them a new home at some loving /k/ommando.

>>33279492
spray it with WD40 or even better caramba rust remover and let it soak in some days.

>>33279119
Go to reddshit then. If you fell for that trolling you've probably only been here 5 minutes anyway, even if /k/ has always been one of the easiest boards to troll.

>>33279492
Spray it with penetrating oil. If you don't have any tell us what you do have as I'm sure most stores are closed today

>>33279492
It's decocked. Spray everything with a penetrating oil and just lift the bolt handle. To get the bolt out you will also have to unscrew the bolt and line the bolthead up with the slot on the side of the receiver and turn the bolt head.

My shameless shitty Berthier disassembly vid I made a couple years ago: https://youtu.be/aXHH1Dn5K-I

>>33278539
There is a big difference between derusting something you care about and something you don't. And there is an even bigger difference between removing old caked on rust and surface rust. Also, he should try to retain the painted finish on the Mle 1936.

>>33279492
I also disagree with that Berthier being the most fucked. It's the least rusted of the three and I find it the coolest. Not only because it's an M34, but because the stock has been purposely destroyed like a soldier would to render the gun useless to the enemy. Most guns like that weren't ever picked up because no one wants a broken gun lol and all went into the trash.

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>>33271627
If you can be careful not to get any outside of the bore (plug the chamber with a rubber stopper, and use a funnel), then this will removal ALL the rust that is in the barrel without harming the steel.

>>33276010
Don't worry about it. After you folks elect Le Pen, that eagle logo will be right back in style.

>>33281062
>french nationalist
>german national socialism
I don't think you understand politics.

OP : WD-40 is penetrating and can unlock things too, if you want to be sure use "liquid wrench" or "3en1 degrippant", you can find the latest at Castorama or Leroy-Merlin

Don't put too much force on anything, choose the screwdriver that will fit the best for each screw. As the weapons are from europe normally everything is in metric. No need for an armorer screwdriver set.

>>33276319
An actual genuine retard right here folks, easier to trigger than tumblr. Go make some stolen valour videos confronting skateboarders with camo pants.

>>33271483
>>33271483
>8mm lebel
It literally says CAL 7.5 on the side of the gun.

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>>33276105
That's cool your assault rifles have bottle openers in the chin rest amerifat ;^}

>>33271435
Resize or save it as a smaller file type like JPEG in any various image editor. I don't know if paint lets you, but photoshop and gimp will.