Favorite tank of ww2?

>>33270180
>T29 was not even ordered during WW2

way to kill the thread from the start.

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>>33270180
Based on absolutely zero technical knowledge, I just think the Panzer IV looks fucking cool. The boxy configuration of the armor looks rad to me. Reminds me of brutalist architecture.

>>33270216
I never said saw combat. T29 was in limited procurement for use in operation downfall if it came to that.

>>33270246
Look at all the upgrades done to the panzer 4 that in itself is impressive that the suspension could take that much added weight

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>>33270255
>I never said saw combat
I assume the tank just had to be a concept before the end of WW2. In this case i vote for the "Ratte" beacuse its just an awsome tank

>>33270299
>beacuse its just an awsome tank
No it's not.

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>>33270299
>compares a tank that was built, use in trials, was in limited procurement and ready for full scale production to the blueprint of a land ship made for a guy with a fetish for oversized impractical crap.
Fucking kek
Pic related

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Early Panzer IVs looked sick

>>33270246
This or the Tiger, for much the same reasons.

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>>33270304
>No it's not.
Looks like you know what tank I should like the most
Let me guess its the Sherman because 3 of your grandpas died in them but I never got fully destroyed and always recovered. Therefore everyone must like it.

>>33270180
Reminds me of a T-30 greentext I saw yesterday. Anyway, M4 easy 8

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>>33270349
4u 2>>33270377

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>>33270365
I'd argue that the panther is much better looking

The Firefly because it started to get Shit done.

>>33270299

>do not talk to me or my son ever again

>>33270377
>>33270299
At least the Maus had two terrible prototypes that had the fortitude of character to fail at being a tank in every meaningful way.

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>>3327053
Maus is ww2 bc of the prototypes. It probably would have been terrible but it would have been interesting to see how it worked as a mobile bunker

>>33270412
Not as brutally boxy hull, and I really don't like the halfpipe mantlet.

>>33270585
>ah yes Hans our fuhrer bunker is invincible!
>oh look hans a fleet of il-2s
>oh look hans HEAT ammo in IS-3s

>>33270585
The Maus wasn't anywhere near anything serviceable. If it ever made it to production it wouldn't be recognizable.

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>>33270593
The turret from needed to be curved to fit the gun AFAIK otherwise the turret ring would have needed to be larger.
Look at the engine deck if it was flat it wouldn't work together

>>33270602
Air power would have killed it more than likely. Got a source for the is3 have hear shells in 45' bc everything I read said they didn't get them till the 50s

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>>33270412
>>33270359
>>33270246
any idea how much work it would have been to modify Pz4 into pic related compared to making a whole new design like the Panther?

>>33270808
It wouldn't work as well as you'd think.
The reason the krauts make the 7.5 cm L/70 was because the L/48 wasn't able to take down the newer tanks the russians were fielding.
The L/70 would have been too heavy for the Panzer IV chassis, period.

>>33270825
yes but how much work would it have been to strengthen the pz4 chassi/engine/suspension so i could mount a bigger gun?
or would it have been more efficient to just make a new design like the panther like they did (even tho it suffered severe breakdowns even outside battle)

>>33270719
He doesn't have one.
He also thinks a 250kg maximum shitty bomb could take one out

>>33270843
Imagine you had the option of driving a model 1970 VW beetle, or a model 2013. The model 2013 would cost more to buy, but would ultimately be cheaper to own because of how often the 1970 would need repairs.

Also, I'm fairly certain that the turret ring on the IV was too small to accommodate a turret necessary to house the gun.

>>33270865
shitty analogy. just shut the fuck up if you have no clue.

>>33270865
>implying the pz4 wasnt far more reliable than the panther

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>>33270180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVWUSUKkyG8

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This scares the German

>>33270808
Plus the pz4 suspension was at its limit by the h and j variants and the turret ring couldn't really support anything more

>>33270965
see >>33270843

>>33270988
But you can't change the turret ring without changing the hull. And by that point, along with whatever mods you need to do with the engine and whatnot, you might as well do a cleansheet design rather than polishing a turd.

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but... i like all of them?

>>33270808
That is the sexiest ww2 tank prototype ever, someone go make porn of it

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>>33271248
inorite

Why did they build the L70 and ergo the Panther? It couldn't really handle the IS-2 frontally, and the L48 was perfectly fine for T-34s. The Long 88 was what you really wanted for cracking the IS series.

>>33271281
IS-1s, ISU, SU and so on. And it has longer range or something? just guessing here

>>33271281
cus pz4 and the l48 was outdated and the 88 is an AA gun and huge.

>>33270246
>>33270359
This but lV with side skirts is the absolute sex, in fact it might be the sexiest tank ever.

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>>33270180
New Zealand made this funny little baby. She's mug favorite

>>33271338
bob a cute

>>33270988
What could be done to improve it? Making something new would make more sense

>>33271295
But it can't crack an IS-2 frontally outside of very short ranges from comparisons of armor scheme and penetration tables.

>>33271296
The L48 could crack the T-34 at any reasonable WW2 engagement range

>>33270299
Except the T29, like the M6 and T28, were actually manufactured and not someone's autism wet dream.

For the German, the T29 is the equivalent of their Maus.

Then again, you're probably too stupid to figure that out.

>>33271393
learn to read

>>33271403
>The L48 could crack the T-34 at any reasonable WW2 engagement range
good luck against the other tanks

>>33271403
70 had better chanse than the 48

>>33271417
desu, other tanks didn't matter much. Very, very few russian tanks had more armor than the 34. Sure IS and so on, but there wasn't that much of them

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Centurions were in transit when Germany threw the towel in.
Mayhap it had the same effect as nukes on Japan.

>>33271431
>70 had better chanse than the 48

It would have to close to within 500m to maybe penetrate the turret or top portion of the stepped hull, while being vulnerable at any reasonable engagement distance.

It seems like a waste vs creating a tank that could actually crack an IS-2

>>33271417
>good luck against the other tanks

The 50k T-34s that the Soviets built made it the among the most common AFVs in the East, certainly the most common tank.

Knocking out anything worse than a T-34 is a massive chunk of the possible AFVs a German tank might face.

>>33271493
desu, i'd take every advantage i could on the eastfront

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>>33270808

The Krauts actually considered a proposal like this as early as 1942, as a possible route to take for the Ausf H.

The consensus then was that the tank would be nearly a ton heavier (880kg allegedly), and you'd need drastic modifications to the suspension for it to work.

Their bottom line was the tank would be too heavy, something like 28tons, and that they needed to up production. With the modifications they'd not be able to make enough of them in time. If you're familiar with German procurement at the time, it was a clusterfuck of small and larger contractors and not just 'retool the foundry'.

>>33270299
Protip: whoever made the 3D model got the turret rotation axis wrong.

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The Panzer III. Surprisingly modern, yet also antiquated.

The early 37mm ones and the late L/60 variants are pure sex. The stubby L/42 just looks off.

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>>33271578
Fucking this

>>33270255
>T29 was in limited procurement for use in operation downfall if it came to that.

The very first prototype was delivered for testing after Germany fell.

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>>33271588

>Dat early hull profile

>>33271578
>>33271588
Which does remind me. One thing I have, in my ignorance, been wondering is why the P3 and P4 were as different as they were, while also as similar as they were. While it may be a lot of hindsight regarding where the P4 went, it seems like the different missions the tanks were originally intended for could have been covered by taking a single chassis, and then just slapping different guns and armour amounts on them, instead of having to make two different yet at least superficially very similar tanks.

So, am I missing something important?

>>33271664

Both are products of the 1930's. Tank doctrine and tactics weren't really hammered out yet. Splitting infantry support and AT work made sense to them at the time. The need for large caliber AT guns hadn't become apparent and they kind of painted themselves into a corner with the III. And, the German production cycle on the III being what it was meant they couldn't just lengthen it or change the design fast enough, hence it fading into a secondary role.

Just look at, say, the Brits with their Infantry and Cruiser tanks.

>>33271707
That's slightly missing the point of my question.

Given that they wanted a split between At and infantry tanks, is there any reason why they couldn't just have used the same chassis for both roles, just with different main guns? (I guess that'd be the P4 chassis given the turret ring and the 75mm.) As it is it seems the major difference between the early vehicles is the suspension, and to some degree armour, but we have appliqués to deal with that.

>>33271381
Cute little island hopper tanks are the best. Armor over armaments. Plus who else is gonna have a tank stationed on an island?

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>>33270180
T57 heavy. That cannon had 4 bullets in its magazine. Yes, that tank had a magazine.

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>>33271411
>Except the T29, like the M6 and T28, were actually manufactured and not someone's autism wet dream.
>For the German, the T29 is the equivalent of their Maus.
>Then again, you're probably too stupid to figure that out.
Fixed the reddit spacing for you fucking newfag. You guys never stop to amaze me. As you see form OPs pic this thread is not about tanks that acutally saw combat during WW2. It is so cringy to see you redditfags spreading your imbecile thoughts on 4chan.
Did you fuck up at reddit?
Are you looking for (You)s on 4chin?
Are you just a retard?

>>33271791
>t. WOT player

>>33271578
Came to post this

>>33271791
>bullets

>>33271780

Again, we're talking about the 1930's. When you get right down to it, German command issued 2 specifications for 2 different vehicles, and had different companies competing for the contract. One AT, and one for close/medium support of the AT tanks. My best guess is that at the time it simply didn't occur to them to unify it under one design with different subtypes.

You've got to remember the Germans produced very few tanks in WWI, and didn't start building them in larger numbers before the 1930's rolled around. Not a whole lot of tank combat had taken place at the time.They also didn't have a huge automotive industry, so a lot of this was simply uncharted territory for Command and for the procurement.

Pus, they must have realized their mistake with the split role issue, as they tried later to unify the two designs with the with the Panzer III/IV ("Einheitsfahrgestell" or "Standard Chassis"), but by then it was too late to really implement.

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Cruiser Mk. IV, one of these buggers kept my Great-Uncle alive on his jaunt across Europe.

>>33272142
only because he managed to not get hit

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>>33272142
Mk. IV a cute

as are all tanks

>>33272181
than*

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>>33272248
oh, right. Still getting the hang of english. Thanks

>>33272029
>German command issued 2 specifications for 2 different vehicles, and had different companies competing for the contract.

That explains it I guess, acquisition misery and no one with enough brass on his shoulders noticing that they basically got the same tank twice.

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Is this a Panzer IV the kitty is on??

>>33272697
photoshop. And no that is a panzer VI, aka Tiger

>>33270489
>riveted armour

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6 panzerschreks with 200mm pen fired simultaneously because fuck soviets

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If we're talking explicitly about tanks (Not all armored vehicles) then it's probably the Churchill.
That or the M4 Sherman.

>>33271798
>scrolls through most of /k/
>"reddit" spacing not found
>goes to reddit
>still no "reddit" spacing
>goes to other boards like /pol/, /fit/, and /an/
>same level of spacing or paragraphs

Your power level is showing.

Have a (You) little child, use it wisely.

Seems like the thread to ask, what does the Tiger driver say in this video? Like what does he say before he says panzergranate laden?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8vFGQ0uJQc

>>33272948
>Fahrer, fertig machen

means sorta, "Driver make yourself ready" or "driver, prepare"

And it's the commander that says that

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>>33271798
>complains about cringy
>proceeds to have an autistic rage fit about spacing found on 4chan from the start

Can't get more autistic than this.
>inb4 pretending to be retarded

>>33271634
This just in ww2 was happening in Japan too and didn't end for almost a year after Europe

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>>33272948
[Note: I have very little knowledge of German]
The first thing the Tiger commander says is "Driver, move forward" (geradeaus marsch)

You hear the loader say they're loaded (Something to the extent of "wir laden")

Then "First target" (zuerst ziel) followed by something else, possibly a range call out as the Tiger advances out of the smoke.

Then the obvious order to "open fire!" (feuer frei)

As the Shermans flank around, the Tiger commander says "Turret- tanks, left" (Turm- panzer, links) telling the gunner to traverse to lay the gun onto the target.

Then an order for reverse, and then advance again (Same as the first order given).

Once again cannot make out every word but the rest just seems to just be more orders from the Tiger commander for the gunner to traverse the turret as Fury circles around.

Finally a "We're burning!" (wir brennen) as the Tiger burns up and the crew bails.

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The humble E8 sherman

There's one near my house, and fuck i love looking at the thing

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>>33271791
>tank prototype bases on a heavy tank from the mid 50s
>links picture of a t69. Gtfo

(Finding pictures of a real t57 is hard)

>>33272997
>>33273160
thanks guys!

>>33271707
>infantry support

>>33271798
Stop being a faggot