HK416F french army ad

>>33259339
Shame we'll never see any surplus famas kits here in the states, I know it's a shit rifle, but god damnit I need that meme gun

They forgot the part about not having an adjustable regulator, so they can't have the lower gas setting for use with suppressors, one of the key selling point of the HK416.
Nice lack of attachment for QD sling points too.
Really made me think about how my tax money is wasted left and right in other countries.

It's funny because we could have been making M4A1's in the early 2000's rather than shutting down St-Etienne, but I guess buying from another country is a viable economic choice for our progressist and tolerant socialists.

>>33259370
Forgot the best part, Germany is NEVER going to adopt the HK416, and neither will the UK. France will be left alone with a meme weapon once again while the rest of Europe adopts superior systems.
Best thing is as soon as HK got the money for France, they started to develop the HK433 for Germany.
Really does make you think.

>>33259339

You forgot to mention that the longer version can shoot rifle grenades as well.

>>33259372
The HK433 is being made with cheaper material and processes because the 416 is too expensive for Germany and will be sold concurrent with the 416 and the G36 for that matter.

The UK is set to still continue with the SA80 and is putting the A3 variant through its paces.

>>33259423
Seems like the Frogs will probably drop them in favour of the UBGL.

>>33259372

HK433 which is gonna be a cheaper weapon or lesser quality...

>>33259370

So? The army isn't ever gonna use suppressors.

Special operation units have their own stuff.

That's just not necessary.

>>33259372

The UK will the last country stuck with a meme weapon mate, a garbage one at that.

>>33259423
Probably just so they can just finish their current stockpile.

>>33259370

Like it or not, France and Germany's economy and industries are intertwined for good. There is no helping it at this point. France doesn't have a strong small arms industry, adopting another rifle designed and built just for France would be a complete waste of money.

>>33259432

These are still being produced, there are jobs on the line. What's wrong with having both 40mm and rifle grenades though?

>>33259339

What's the twist rate on those short barrels?

What type of ammo France is going to feed it?

>>33259432
Actually Since Nexter Munitions integrated the catalog from MECCAR into its lineup, there is a strong chance a belgian rifle grenade will succeed the french APAV40.

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>Another AR15.
>No European Federation.
>Endwar will never happen.

>>33259454
1:7
The same kind of M855 they feed their minimi, Famas G2 and Famas Felin with.

However the french MoD recently said he wanted to re-create a national military rounds production facility.
Which makes sense since France has the biggest hunting rounds manufacturer in Europe, Nobelsports, and also the world leader in ammunition making machines, Manurhin (they sold the revolver activity to Chappuis armes, a hunting shotgun manufacturer, a while back)
These companies would be associated with Thalès TDA to build a plant making France independant again for its small bore rounds, 5.56 and 7.62.
But it's still just a project right now.

>>33259454
>What type of ammo France is going to feed it?
Idk but there are talks to restart a factory of ammo based in France (we currently import all our ammo now)

>>33259339
>special mags for blanks

But.. why?

>>33259498

I guess you can't put live rounds in them.

I remember there was one nasty accident in France when some troops fresh home from deployement took part in a military demonstration.

One of these prick had his gun loaded with live ammo instead of blanks and unloaded his rifle into the crowd wouding a bunch of people including at least one kid.

Many such cases.

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>>33259498
>>33259508

lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2008/06/30/01016-20080630ARTFIG00275-un-militaire-tire-a-balles-reelles-lors-d-un-exercice.php

>17 wounded
>4 in critical condition "dunno about current status"
>5 children

>>33259498
Because there were several incidents in the past years when some soldiers happened to "find" actual rounds in their mags instead of blanks, including once during a demo when civilians where injured by SF guys. There were some conspiracy theories about this event, some people pretended it was a setup, the army became paranoid, and since then rules are way stricter.

These special mags are just a way to make sure this unnecessary yet reassuring safety check to know what's really in the mag can be easily achieved.

Call it bullshit, it's just extra precaution.

>>33259508
>>33259515
>>33259523


You know, you could have the soldiers load the goddamn magazines themselves and maybe have someone watch them do it. If you have a mouthbreather that does not distinguis blank from a live round, them maybe he should be in the army in the firstplace.

>>33259339
>standard
>14.5"
Lol.

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>>33259339

Seems to be kind of odd to have two barrel lenghts especially since both rifles are carbine length.

What about the Schrome J4, doesn't that thing have a bunch of fixed chevrons for distances? As they going to issue different ones for 10" and 14"5 inches ballistics? Obviously the FamasF1 20" ones are no good now.

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>>33259540

They are getting more of the short version actually.

>>33259552
The short version I understand - 10" makes sense for tank crews, mechanised infantry, paratroopers, POG's etc. Plenty of people would love 10" barrel version.

But why the fuck would you want meme length like 14.5"? Looking at AR15 market, 16" are going to be more widespread(assuming somebody else will ever consider adopting 416) which will lower their price, the difference in ergonomics and ballistics is minimal(but I'd wager that 1.5" is nothing at all so marginal improvement for nothing at all is better than no improvement) so why the fuck 14.5?

>>33259523

Well how the fuck do you not notice it while loading a mag though?

It's hard to believe it wasn't done on purpose by someone. How easy someone could just switch magazines while you're not looking.

Army people aren't really the brightest bulbs in the box tbw and the French military has plenty black or muslims that might be pretty pissed at French involvment in Africa and the Arab world.

I'ld be paranoid too.

>>33259578

Yeah, well they'll have to replace the barrels eventually anyway. If it turns out it kinda sucks, it's not like they are stuck with it.

>>33259586
Mate, discussing with some armorers, the number of cases when weapons got stolen is ashtonizing.

One month ago some jackass enlisted stole an armored vehicle to go party with friends out of base.

A week before that, a fucking logistic truck was stolen by gypsies.

And one week before a patrol car used by soldiers doing their "sentinelle" mission, patroling stations and stuff, was stolen. The soldiers had let their Famas inside, boom, 3 less Famas for the army, 3 more for ahmed and friends.

And two years ago in summer 2015 more than 200 detonators, used to fire up C4/TNT/plastic and the like, were stolen in an army depot.

This kind of stuff happens.

Do you understand the paranoia now ?

>>33259586
>>33259673
>>33259523

France is the next Syria.

>>33259578

Seems like they wanted the 10" all along but had the 14.5" just so it would fit their rifle grenades.

The way I read it, the French have 300m and 600m fireteams working in coordination on the field.

It would make more sense to me, if they also adopted the HK417 for the 600 group.

>>33259687
Considering the best weapons of our (((outstanding urban youths))) are anti-muhfeels organisations, nu-male cucks, drug consumers, antifa, and feminist judges, I say we'd be pretty good in case of a kebab uprising.
See the good side anon, you're born too late to explore the world, too soon to explore the universe, but just in time for DEUS VULT

>>33259356
>Shit
More like mediocre.

>>33259547
No anon, that's the J8, which is found on FRF2 bolt action 7.62 rifles, and J10 used on the PGM Hecate II, or "FR12.7" in the french army.

About the J4, I don't believe there are chevrons on it, but I can't find a pic in my old folder... Anyway, it's qualified for 10000 shots with SS109 if we belive the words coming from the manufacturer. Considering M193 and M855 doesn't have the exact same balistics, and the J4 was previously used on Famas firing M193, I'd say the J4 would do good on an HK416 firing M855 without much problems.

see :

http://www.scrome.com/en/products/j4-f1-riflescope.html

>>33259835

Click on the product sheet mate, that's litteraly where I took that pic. There is a mil dot option though.

I was trying hard to find a source, but OFRP "Arma mod" had the same chevrons on the optic if I remember correctly.

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the french should make a bullet proof snail shell

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>>33259339
>when your hereditary enemy is shilling for your guns and he's even paying for it

>>33259845

Joke on your Germany. All your weapons are built using French steel.

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>>33259849
That doesn't really matter, but the advertisement effect from a big nation like France buying it will be quite big.

I don't see why they didn't adopt the FN SCAR-L, as they have better relations with Belgium and incase of an all out war its just a small invasion away.

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>>33259876

Because Germany is by far France's single most important trade partner in the world in spite of everything that happened last century.

Even if past history was ever an argument, Belgium wouldn't be first in line considering the Sedan disaster was largely their doing anyway.

>>33259845
>your hereditary enemy
That hasn't been true for at least 50 years, ameritard.

>>33259845
>Germany
>hereditary enemy of France
That has been the bongs for nearly a thousand years. Germany doesnt even come close.

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>>33259339
>(14.5" and 10" barrels)
isn't the 20" the ones that really works for the 556?

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>>33259425
>G36
so in the end it was all just political, there's nothing wrong with this weapon?

>>33259975
>>33259980

Indeed. If anything it's Britain's fault Germany was allowed to form itself tbw and then still they played against France after WW1 ended. Refusing to back up France's claim on the Rhineland, then pretty much welcoming Germany to reoccupy it and then Belgium refusing to extand the Maginot line and going full neutrality like it worked so great last time because Britain and Murrica is going to save us again right?

>>33260022

For optimal velocity shooting 55-grain bullets out of a 20" 1/12 twist rate barrel right?

m4carbine.net/showthread.php?60877-MK318-Mod-0-accuracy-evaluation-and-chronograph-data

Given they can get proper ammo, it shouldn't be much of an issue.

>>33260085

Except for that it's plastic and loses shape.

Honestly the Bundeswehr sees so little action these days I'm surprised the problem ever came to light.

>>33259980

I see where you're coming from, but don't forget about the frisian-franken wars, all that goth nonsense, prussia periodically fucking shit up...
So sure, it' wasn't Germany but same shit amirtite

Anglos are our best ennemies
Germans are our worst one.

>>33260085
>>33260101
The specifications the German army put out was followed by HK, and lost accuracy after heavy sustained fire. H&K wasn't technically at fault since they delivered what the army requested.

The rifles are being replaced instead of fixed is because the defence minister promised and does not want to lose political capital backtracking.

G36's exported were built to a higher standard which is why other countries/police forces continue to use theirs after finding no problems.

>>33259975
>>33259980
It's just a meme

>>33260085
>so in the end it was all just political, there's nothing wrong with this weapon?
Well the weapon is okay as long as you don't use it as a machine gun, which was how the whole thing started. But the gun should never have been bought in the first place, the guy from the MOD who made us buy they gun hoped he'd get some good shekels from H&K for shilling their weapon but he didn't, the minister just gave his okay because he didn't know better and we bought an okayish plastic gun with some problems. When the whole melting meme came up that guy bailed the fuck out to Argentine.

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>>33260185

>that guy bailed the fuck out to Argentine.


For real or Is that shit just a German meme?

>>33259687
hopefully Le Pen wins and stops or at least slows the degradation.

>>33259476
Hold up. France doesn't even have the capability to produce 5.56/7.62 anymore?

KEK!

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>>33260197
No, that guy studied with my dad, but I can't remember his name. He knew that the parliamentarian investigation committee would ask questions that would make his future quite uncomfortable so he did the usual and migrated to Argentina.

>>33260215

She won't. France is way more corrupted than Murrica, no way any anti system representative could win presidency elections. Remember the Treaty of Lisbon after the 2k5 referendum.

"Brexit" cannot happen in France, France&Germany are litteraly the EU. No getting out of it.

>>33260220

France is produces lot of ammo, more than any nation in Europe in fact. It just doesn't for military applications. Hopefully it'll change...

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>>33260241
>more than any nation in Europe in fact
no.

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>>33260273

Okay, my bad...

More than any nation in Europe except for Germany.

You Happy?

>>33260273
>weapons and ammunition
thats a bit different isnt it?

>>33260234
I figured, at least the support is there even if she doesn't win. This shit is going to backfire hard though, I fear it's eventually going to get so bad that we'll see the rise of real right wing extremists again and potentially another devastating European war/civil war. And I don't mean to fear monger Russia like the left, but that situation would give the RU the perfect opportunity to swoop in and gain influence over eastern Europe again too.

>>33260273
>weapons and ammunition
>weapons

>>33260320

The irony this time will be that western european nationalists will refuse to fight against Russia.

>>33260185
What I read was H&K and army experts ran government through options at purchase time, and the government went for the cheapest, which wasn't really bad but had issues.

Later people forgot about that, and the defense minister tried to make a thing of non-performance, but it wasn't going anywhere except in sensationalist press since both H&K and army had been all over the business at the time (this was new plastic technology!!1), so everything was documented down to repetitive round counts, melting temperatures and specifics of material tradeoffs.

>>33260398
one of the funny things about this business, the current Defense Minister Von der Leyen blew this shit up so high, to make her look good which backfired amazingly.

also trials for a new standard rifle for the bundeswehr should've commenced either way after 20 years of introduction of the G36

>>33259370
>Nice lack of attachment for QD sling points too.
>implying any professional military uses QD slings

What's the point of a bayonet in modern combat?

>>33260293
>>33260323
good luck finding a statics that make a difference between arms and ammo

>>33260398
The rifle did it's job well, making it a scandal was totally unnecessary and like >>33260515 already said just meant to make good press for her which really didn't work out well.
There were a lot of testings by the MOD, the Bundeswehr, Federal Police, H&K, the Bundeswehr universities and some other institutions and all just said that the rifle comes up to the requirements and that blowing ten mags full retard will result in bigger groupings.
Most Bundeswehr soldiers like the G36, although it might not be the best one available, it's light for a rifle, the sights are a little odd but actually convenient and hold a good zero

>>33260800

Parading.

>>33260800
the brits used them in iraq to stab a few durkas

>>33259356

Its better than the M16 mon ami.

>>33259578
>Looking at AR15 market
Completely irrelevant in the military acquisition world

No one is going to stick commercial AR-15 barrels on a HK military rifle

>>33259578
M4 also has a 14.5" barrel, just like most carbines. Most militaries don't seem to want full size rifles anymore

>>33259339
>implying France will still have an army in 5-10 years
>implying the Republic will still exist
>implying there won't be full blown civil war between the mudslimes and the indigenous population

>>33260273
Your graph says weapons and ammo. I forgot the terms like drill down, roll up, ect but id be currious if that graph could just show ammo

>>33261804
No tried to find one but I always found ammo and weapons combined

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>>33259339
Fuck that gay rifle, there are dozens of good manufacturers that can build custom-designed devices and they chose that plastic tacticool shit?
Next time ask me before wasting my taxes.

>>33261982
are you mentally challenged?

>>33260220
No since a loooooong time when some arsenal closed, because it was such a good idea.

We bought ammo from (((israel))), Germany, even fucking ayyrabs sometimes... As a consequence we had to deal with a lot of bullshit.

And all this happened while, as I said previously, France is the European leader for hunting rounds making, and the world leader in ammunition making machines (for the industry).

Only in frogland can this happen.

>>33260800
Morale and opening bottles, the FAMAS bayonet could do the latter at least.

>>33262052
Well, the French did make a bayonet charge in Sarajevo.

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>>33260230
well.. southwest argentina is quite comfy

>>33262111
I classify this under the morale category... but now that you make me wonder, opening bottles isn't such a bad way to describe it.

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>>33259339
Whole world is getting homogenized, Multicam and HK ARs.

Welp, easier to fight space aliens when everyone has the same shit.

>14 inch barrel

It is like they ignored the lesson of Afghanistan and Iraq. Insurgents are going to engage you out past 300 m. You need to be able to shoot back at them better than they can shoot at you.

>>33262247
As soon as the flecktarn multicam will be out this will be a perfect world

>>33262293
if they get the right ammo 300m is perfectly doable with a 14.5 556.
It's certainly more viable than the insurgent's weapons, with the exception of a dragunov or psl.

>>33262001
Are you literarily challenged? Are you restricted to short sentences, or a haiku fan? A gypsy maybe? You can't sort more than ten words in your mind?
Sorry I'm not used to argue with disabled, I have no idea what you meant to say, ask an adult to word your thoughts please.

>>33262534
everything in your OG post was retarded, so I talked down to your level.
Custom shops can't produce guns on teh level the franch army needs.
The HK416 has less plastic parts than the FAMAS.
There's nothing "tacticool" about a rail system on a military rifle.
While a downgrade from a well built M4, the 416 is in no way a bad rifle.

>>33259430
>So? The army isn't ever gonna use suppressors.
>Soviets run suppressors in Army since 1940.
>2017 French Army can't afford suppressors
And people are calling slav gear outdated kek.

>>33259370
As a Francophile I was pretty bummed when I found out they shut down MAS. France has a long and underappreciated history of firearms innovation.

>>33261214
No
Most rifles have 16 inch barrels nowadays

>>33259430

>The UK will the last country stuck with a meme weapon mate, a garbage one at that.

Projecting much? A2 doesn't need replacement. Works just fine with modern ammo, modern modules, new components, weight reductions. And there's more development coming.

Half the reason the Famas needed changed so immediately is that they barely upgraded the damn things and they're beat to shit. If they'd sunk money into the G2 more, it would have lasted as long as the L85 easily.

>>33263257
>rifles
but most carbines have 14.5

>>33259673
They found the 3 stolen Famas in like 3 days. The thieves wanted to sell them.

>>33259372
France having a meme gun is hardly a problem as long as they refuse to militarize against groups like ISIS

>>33263631
Well why would we do anything against our socialist voters... I mean future engineers and doctors?

>>33260800
Same as unarmed combatives, trains an aggressive mindset better than shooting paper does

>>33260800
Making your combat rifle worse. Self inflicted wounds. Wasting training time intentionally or not

>>33263577

As expected. Arabs are rats, and more often than not not very bright. Seriously, they act tough but rat each other out and everyone else all the time.

I would have kept the guns, at least for a time. Fucking idiots.

Is the famas any good

>>33268816
Yes and no anon. Depends what you call good and what sort of crap you can deal with on a daily basis.

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>>33259372
>>33259370
>Forgot the best part, Germany is NEVER going to adopt the HK416, and neither will the UK. France will be left alone with a meme weapon once again
Heh, all part of the grand plan.

>>33261084
No its really not,only meme dreamers like you think it is.

>>33262293
In my eyes 14 in full auto/semi is ok for that range.
Anything more than that 3 round bursts and a nice long thick barrel is a must if you want to actually kill someone.

>>33259372
Norway and Poland use the HK416.UK, Ireland, Italy, Germany use them for special groups.

Why do you get so triggered about this "meme" gun?

>>33262293
Precisely the conundrum they could have avoided by going for a bullpup 2.0 which their soldiers are already used to instead of another goddamn AR.

>>33269702
OP here, because he's an autist. Probably a "muh famas" frog (believe me as a frog myself they are unbearable) or some brain damaged britbong believing the next version of the infamous L85 will be the most powerful weapon ever.

The faggot even believes the HK433 will be superior to the 416 while HK themselves said it's gonna be a cheap rifle.

>>33261982
>there are dozens of good manufacturers
There are no dozens of good manufacturers that have the production capacity to fulfuill a 100,000 guns order.

>>33269875
I am French, I don't really give a fuck about the FAMAS, but I am a long time gun owner, own more than 20 including severals in Category B and shot pretty much everything out there, from my standard DI Sig M400 to several piston ARs, including the HKmr223A3. I am a realist before all, HK produced an extremely LAZY design, just slapping a piston on some AR (which really doesn't need the piston, but the "piston is more reliable" meme made its way into France, in gun shops there is always one faggot looking for an AR but saying he wants a piston because it's more reliable and a new technology, protip : it's neither), the gun is far extremely far from modular, all it has got is a standard pistol grip and stock, that's what you can change, and rails. That's it, everything else, from the trigger group to the barrel, bolt carrier and even the upper receiver is proprietary. Need spare parts? Only HK can provide those patented ones.

If you had actually took the time to read my message, you'd understand that I'm criticizing the choice of an all proprietary piston AR made in a foreign country rather than a homemade royalty free standard AR15 design, which would actually perform better and be cheaper.

But since you're likely a nogunz who doesn't know shit about what we are talking about, I am certainly wasting my time here. Sorry to have posted in your worthless thread, trou du cul.

>>33261982
>Fuck that gay rifle
Someone has insecurities
>there are dozens of good manufacturers
haha not really no
>that can build custom-designed devices
HAHA NOT REALLY NO
>and they chose that plastic tacticool shit
it's full aluminium dumb fuck, and it's even simplified compared to the already very simple A5 base model
>Next time ask me before wasting my taxes.
Because any french government did that since like 200 years, ever. Protip : no one did.

Because you don't enjoy being a cuck and probably didn't voted Sarkozy or Hollande. Protip : you do and did.

Because you know something. Protip : you don't.

>>33270056
totally dude, France is really fucking themselves by having Germany make their weapons. Just look at the distance between those countries, literally on the opposite side of the globe.

And I mean, just look at all the complaints from Norwegians and Polish about the 416. Not like they ordered a bunch of them because they were reliable for their climate, mission and overall user friendliness.

Also nice cop out of the conversation after throwing a fit. Classic French tactics being used I see.

>>33269995
kek, I wonder where the armies buy their rifles?
There's HK to begin with...

>>33270102
>totally dude, France is really fucking themselves by having Germany make their weapons.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-heckler-koch-usa-idUSKBN15H2CN
>The filing said Heckler & Koch had queried whether the weapons, which target enemies protected by walls or hidden in hard-to-reach places, would violate international laws of war.
>The filing also said that after receiving legal opinions, Heckler & Koch had said it would only supply the weapons if the U.S. government provided a special certification, which the government refused to do. Informal mediation failed, and Heckler & Koch refused to engage in formal mediation, the filing stated.

>try to use German weapons in combat
>it is illegal

>>33259339
Nice vid, thanks OP.
>short versions 80cm long
The tank crews are gonna love it. Maybe we'll get new smgs now.
>brings modularity*
*only within the limit of available product stock**
**seriously, I hope your quartermaster is a wizard

>>33259446
>adopting another rifle designed and built just for France would be a complete waste of money.
Thales proposed the F90 they sold to Australia IIRC.

The only local design proposed was the ARES, and I understand not wanting to take any risks with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_eeq2vwChE

>>33268816
I like the G2 I use at work. The army's F1 are worn out as fuck, tho.

>>33270056
>one faggot looking for an AR but saying he wants a piston because it's more reliable and a new technology, protip : it's neither

>This is what retard actually believes.

Piston is inherently more durable and reliable than DI, deal with it.

>>33270147
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_eeq2vwChE
Once again I still don't get the telescopic stock meme for the basic grunt. More fragile, expensive, complex, for a little bit of comfort?

>>33270056
>everything else, from the trigger group to the barrel, bolt carrier and even the upper receiver is proprietary. need spare parts? only hk can provide those patented ones.
So what ? Because it's an AR its internal parts should be replaceable with any aftermarket parts ?
Also, the 416 was originally planned to be sold as an upper receiver fitting on M4 lower receivers...

Also, if you think you can replace internal parts in your gun with non TTA203/207 compliant ones, you are deluded.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trait%C3%A9_toutes_armes

>I am a realist before all
No you're not.

You really believe the STAT and DGA had time to check every spare parts manufacturer to build a custom AR and make it reliable afterwards dealing with the huge amount of fuckery such a choice would imply ?

Like, you know, making sure the fucking manufacturer don't get out of business and can, actually, keep providing these spare parts ? Or making sure everyone keeps being on spec ?

Oh no wait, were you suggesting the non-existent small arms french industry should have bought the patents from these spare parts manufacturers so we could build a 5000 euros a piece shitty jam-factory AR15 with parts non compatible with each other ?

Who gives a fuck about the design being proprietary and parts not being interchangeable ? We only need magazines and ammo to be compatible with other NATO countries. THAT'S ALL.

"Oh noes jean-ahmed won't be able to use a custom trigger group made from forged faggotium." What a tragedy !

>I'm criticizing the choice of an all proprietary piston AR made in a foreign country rather than a homemade royalty free standard AR15 design
AND WHO WOULD BUILT IT ?

>which would actually perform better
ZERO AR EVER BUILT IN FRANCE

>and be cheaper
AHAHAH

>but since you're likely a nogunz who doesn't know shit about what we are talking about
coming from a guy who thought the hk433 was going to be superior to the 416.

>>33270208
>Because it's an AR its internal parts should be replaceable with any aftermarket parts ?
>Also, the 416 was originally planned to be sold as an upper receiver fitting on M4 lower receivers...

many of its interals are actually replacable by aftermarket parts, you just have to make sure the hammer is tall enough to disengage the firing pin safety.
and as you said the 416 was designed to be an upper replacement. so it will actually fit a ar15 lower. you just need to remove the firingpin safety, or get another hammer.

any ar15 upper will fit the 416 lower. buffer tube will fit ar 15 stocks. and it takes ar 15 pistol grips. you know like pretty much any ar15.

the only parts that arent directly interchangable are bcg, bolt, and piston assembly.
I think the piston itself is the same as the g36 on the other hand.

What's sadder
that no french weapon maker could meet the requirements
or that we're cucking ourselves with foreign weapons

>>33270145
>http://www.reuters.com/article/us-heckler-koch-usa-idUSKBN15H2CN
this is an article about the xm25, how the fuck is that even relevant?

>>33270261
>foreign weapons
it's literally your neighbor country...it's less foreign than New York is to California

>>33270275
symbolism mate
We're supposed to have a big army yet we can't arm ourselves.
Imagine murica getting AK's, I don't think they would be happy

>>33270147
No problem.
>>33259446
>adopting another rifle designed and built just for France would be a complete waste of money.
True.
Believe me, I wish we still had a small arms industry.

But WHO raised his voice in 1997 when the MAS closed and the machines were sold ?
WHO tried to protect the knowledge, the industrial capabilities ?

NO ONE !

It's easy to whine now !!! Where were these people back then when it really mattered ???

>Thales proposed the F90 they sold to Australia IIRC.
Let's put this meme to death once and for all.

Thalès. DID. NOT. ANSWERED. THE. REQUEST. FOR. PROPOSAL.

The contract specified the manufacturer should have a business established on European soil and 80 millions euros turnover. They did not. End of story.

The 80 millions requirement is what fucked Verney Carron and blocked them from entering the competition by the way.

Thalès proposed to relocate the production chain of the F90 from Australia to France. They never said how they would do it, and later, did not candidated.

Hence why the croatians with their VHS2 were legitimate candidates and Thalès wasn't.

So, these people as well as the president of Manurhin, whined around to some journalists, and it became a scandal.

But it doesn't matter since they were not legitimate anyway.
FNH was.
HK was.
Beretta was.
HS produkts was.
SIG was.

And that's all folks.

Oh by the way :

>>33270205
This old video comes from a small armorer from St Etienne, called Etienne Faverjon.

The guy had already a shady reputation with his gunshop for not being reliable.
He was attacked by a thug and took a bullet to the chest. He lived.
Later some dindu burned down his new shop.
And finally he got involved into trafficking deluxe hunting carbines with some italian mafia people.
tl:dr he's not an armorer anymore.

And he certainly did not have an 80 millions euros turnover.

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>>33259515
Good thing it was only 5.56 NATO, otherwise there would be deads.

>>33270298
that's because AK's are from the possible future enemy, if it wasnt for that they would most likely be more than happy letting AK's in. Also letting symbolism trump functionality and operative ability is retarded old time thinking.

your example is dumb if you actually think USA and Russia is the same relationship that Germany and France has.

>>33270326
Some of them were literally taken back from the land of the dead, thanks to the massive emergency plan that have been immediately implemented (otherwise imagine the scandal). The same persons in any other accident would have been left dead.
But yeah I was disappointed by the weakness of the ammo...

>>33270307
MAS and the French government cucked themselves by only caring about their own army contracts and not planning to export anything to foreign country or civilians. Of course, they got BTFO because it was too small of a market and as such wasn't sustainable.

>>33270485
Exactly.

So who can we, currently, in 2017, blame for the new rifle of the french army not being made in France by a french company, again ?

Well it seems no one's left to be blamed for it.

A painful experience for any french person.

>>33270208
> forged faggotium

I died

>>33259339
At last I can trade my PMAGs with the military. Will be great during the race war and the mooslimb purification.

>be French in 2017
>not having a 5.56 AR

>>33271309
>owning a cat B weapon

it's like you want your guns instantly confiscated by the state when shit hits the fan

>>33271344
>he doesn't know about cat C guns needing to be "re-declared" every 5 years after the EU directives
>he thinks the cops will take the cat B guns and leave the shotguns and 308 rifles behind like "yeah no problem about those bud, enjoy!"

>>33271366
>cat C guns needing to be "re-declared" every 5 years after the EU directives

Fuck, really?

>he thinks the cops will take the cat B guns and leave the shotguns and 308 rifles behind like "yeah no problem about those bud, enjoy!"

I think that they'd focus on cat B owners and leave cat C/D owners largely unscathed. There are simply too many of them. Besides, when shit hits the fan, it will again probably be in Paris, where the few cat B owners there will be rounded up. The police doesn't have the resources to confiscate hunters' weapons, and let me tell you, there are a shit ton of hunters in Paris

>>33271344
> Les permis d’acquisition et de détention d’armes à feu doivent être renouvelés tous les cinq ans, à moins qu’un système de surveillance continue ne soit en place et que les permis soient retirés si les conditions initiales ne sont plus respectées ;

oh you thought you could just cancel your "sport shooting" licence and keep your guns? Tough shit my friend, the State will come take everything because you don't "need" them anymore.
>If you did, you'd still have the permit.

>>33271408
Anyway if in 5 years time, France is still in the same situation, you'd have bigger problems than guns. Either Marine is elected and we leave the EU or more leftists government is
elected and white people leave France.

Either that or ethnic wars. War is fine.

>>33271410
I'm a hunter, so no """"""""License de Tir Sportif"""""""""""""" for me

>>33271466
>what is Validation annuelle de chasse
You better stockpile now :^)
"2 is 1, 1 is none"

>>33270485
An issue with a lot of french stuff. The french national stud farm isn't allowed to sell stud services because that would be "unfair competition". And we melted the old M1 bayonets rather than sell them to collectors.
Or, in another style, Sarkozy telling the ONF (forest long-term management, put into place because deforestation in the search of short term profit in France was causing entire mountains to crumble) that they need to start making profit and selling their stuff.
And the already difficult frontier between regalian and welfare state wasn't made easier by Europe being pretty anti-socialist.

Good thing the canditates for the next presidential elections are gonna fix this...

>>33271804
>Good thing the canditates for the next presidential elections are gonna fix this...

lol, like which ones? They are all terrible.

>>33259464
G36 is going to be replaced soon bro.

>wanting endwar to happen

>>33262299
>he doesn't know about multitarn

>>33272311
That's the joke

>>33272660
That's what I was talking about, but it isn't even finished yet, faggot

>>33260234
>France is way more corrupted than Murrica
Wrong. France is way more corrupt that most of of Merica. NJ, NY, CA, and major lib cities (Detroit, Chicago, and DoC).

>>33260085
>there's nothing wrong with this weapon?
H&K said otherwise. They calm the polymer melt when it's hot. Not kidding.
>>33270261
Liberals killed France small arms industry.