TANK DESTROYER OF CHOICE

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REMOVE TOMMY

REMOVE BURGER

FUCK THE PARTISANS

ITALIA WILL NOT FALL TO THE ALLIES

>>33259111
Strv 103.
Its literally the perfect tanku destroyer

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>>33259111
M36B1 CLAIMED

>>33259111
>a powerful 7.5 Pak 42 L/70 Gun

Dude, I have some bad news for ya...

later Stugs all had the L/48, the only TD of that size having the L/70 was the Jagdpanzer IV

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>fuck you, it technically counts
based T95 claimed

>>33259135
Ever seen a Stug and Semovente fight eachother?

>>33259111
M1 Abrams

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>>33259111
1 shot and you're blob

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The sexiest.

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Super hellcat because 90mm gotta go fast

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>>33259111
>Can kill Commies and Krauts with based 90mm cannon on par with a lot of TDs at the time.
>Noone dares to shoot back because they don't want to risk nuking the entire battlefield.

I'M NUCLEEEAAAAAR

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>>33259537
The soviets foresaw the nuclear tank and made one nuke proof

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Ratel claimed

>>33259492
Honestly this or the normal hellcat for me

>>33259579

That's was SIBMAS Anon..

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>>33259603
Gotta love an 80kph top speed

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>>33259492
>basically a jackson
>except it doesn't look like deep fried shit
i'm fully onboard with this.

>tfw you will never remove korean with extreme prejudice from inside a T30 tank
>tfw will never hear the glorious sound of that 155 firing and making chinkshit not exist anymore
it hurts.

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>>33259418
>technically counts

No, it doesn't.

T28/95 is the sexiest assault tank ever designed, but playing lots of WoT doesn't mean their stupid, arbitrary classifications are valid in real life. It's like calling the Strv 103 a TD.

That being said, if I had to go with a real TD, it'd probably be something like pic related. The concept today is pretty much resigned to nations with the industrial capacity to produce their own equipment on large scales, but lack the money to mass produce real tanks, current generation tanks. Sprut-SD is also a contender, but for some reason the Type 89 just looks better to me; more meaty.

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i know it's retarded. But i love it

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>>33259633
Gonna share you a thing, anon:
>Following the defeat of Nazi Germany, the US and UK declare war on the USSR to stem the advance of the Red Army across Europe
>After a over a year of fighting, the US has pushed the Red Army forces all the way back across Germany, and now fight to retake Berlin

>0800, June 19, 1946
>Just inside the city limit of Berlin, Germany

>Two T30s and three M26E1s of one of America's numerous newly formed Armored Heavy Assault Divisions roll past numerous burned out structures
>All is quiet as the commander of the lead M26 scans ahead of him, supporting infantry following behind the column
>Two flashes, one less than a second after the other, are seen about 800m ahead
>The second tank, a T30, is hit first. The round bounces off the mantlet
>The second round hits the turret ring of the lead M26, instantly killing the gunner and commander
>Infantry scatters as the surviving crew of the stricken M26 abandons their vehicle.
>The now lead T30 commander identifies a bunker at the end of the boulevard, occupied by a pair of 100mm Mod.1944s
>Another shot rings out, this one hitting a structure to the direct left of the T30
>The Commander gives the order to fire.
>A deafening roar and a massive fireball scream from the muzzle of the 155mm T7
>Not a second later the bunker is raped by the 155mm high-explosive shell
>All that remains of the emplacement is rubble and a fine, vodka-scented mist
>The T30 crew pushes forward, using the bulk of their vehicle to push the wrecked M26 aside
tbc...

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>>33259645
>Infantry start to move up through side alleys as the vintage thunder run makes it's way up main street of town
>The unit, in their haste, soon outpaces their infantry support
>Passing by an alleyway, the lead T30 trundles carelessly into sight of a well hidden T-34/85.
>The T30 Commander orders the driver to move the vehicle
>The massive tank careens into the opposite curb and into a structure as the Panther fires
>The tank is hit, propellant cooking off as the crew hastily abandons their vehicle
>A second later the ammunition detonates, sending the colossal turret flying into the building with the force of a crashing aircraft
>The T-34 is dealt with quickly as the infantry moves up, easily flanking the hidden tank.
>However, by now a second tank, an IS-3, has rolled into the path of the armored column
>The tank fires, the D-25-T cannon tearing a hole through the number two M26, directly into it's upper glaces
>The second T30 rolls around, using the wrecked M26 to cover it's hull as it opens fire.
>The 155mm HE shell the front turret face of the IS-3
>The tank's mantlet is torn off and the turret itself pushed back on the hull.
>The driver’s hatch implodes from the force of a direct 155mm HE round hit.
>What crew members that aren't decapitated by the force of the impact are subjected to a swarm of metal fragments flying around the inside of the vehicle
>Having not seen the tank brew up, the crew of the T30 fires a second shell, this time one of the newly designed armor piercing rounds
>The massive projectile easily punches through the pike nose of the Russian tank, the plates cracking apart along weld lines
>Fire quickly engulfs the vehicle as the Americans continue up the street, the T30 easily shrugging the IS-3 to the side as it passes by.

Hope you like that. I whip it out every now and then.

>>33259640
>No, it doesn't.
can I at least dream, anon

could a sheridan be considered a TD?
>goes retard fast
>lightweight and basically worthless armor
>can make tanks not exist if given a good shot
I think it's closer to a TD than a light, personally

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>>33259650
that's not how things work

>>33259645
>>33259649
I enjoyed that quite a bit. you're a good writefag, more stories would be sweet.
you wouldn't mind me capping, would you?

>>33259650
Except it's not. Tank destroyers rely on docterine, and after the resignation of the M56, the US doesn't have any. Fair enough, if you gave Russia 100 M551s and asked them what they would use them as (inb4 target practice), the answer would probably be TDs, but this was not what they were desined for. Similarly, if you gave the US Army 100 Sprut-SDs, they'd probably classify them as Assault Guns, similar to the M1128 MGS.

The issue we face here is that a TD is such a specific thing today that it's less a matter of "oh, it can do this and that and also kill tanks, so it's a TD." and more a matter of "It kills tanks and it only kills tanks, so it's a TD."

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>>33259111
>>33259579
Mine can beat all you guys' tank destroyers...

Three at a time though...

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>>33259657
Go for it. I also have a German version; 100mils are Pak43s, 34/85 is a Panther, IS-3 is a Tiger II. The mist is sausage scented. You get the picture.

Here's my personal fav. Pic related.
>Midnight, May 1, 1959
>420mm shell screams from the barrel, the blast illuminating the night.
>moments later, 30km down range on the other end of the Fulda Gap, a battalion of NATO soldiers are vaporized
>The crew begins step one of the reloading process; repair the suspension.
>The unit commander stands on the top of his vehicle, watching as a flash glints in the distance, followed by a low rumble
>Realizing the magnitude of what he's done, he murmurs to himself
>"420, blaze it"

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>>33259669
>Three at a time, he says
>look at this shyster
>Stupid goy wouldn't know an ATGM if it incinerated his crew and fucked his bubby

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Hetzer

>>33259667
so if it comes down to doctrine;
>de-mothball old M60A3s
>make a division for them
>have doctrine that states that that divisions only job is to use M60s to kill other tanks
>the M60A3 is now a tank destroyer
what utter horseshit.

>>33259678
The eternal Jew strikes again...
With 12 missiles from 25km away

>>33259678
How much do you think those things cost per unit? One launcher can take out an entire tank company

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I like my tank destroyers like I like my Yugoslavian women: beat up, thicc, and slower than the top half might lead you to believe.

>>33259649
>>33259645
there is actually some tanky writefagging going on here somewhere. That you?

>>33259690
heartly kek

>>33259683
that is correct though

>>33259683
and doctrine effects both usage, and bear with me because this seems to be the hard part, ~design!~


Regardless of you lack or reading comprehension, my point stands; if it does anything besides kill tanks, even including VERY fast tanks that drive at incredible hihg speed, it's probably not a TD.

>>33259701
to clarify, I'm not saying what this anon said
>>33259667
was incorrect, I'm just saying that that concept is horseshit, redefining what shit is depending on how the doctrine is written, is at least to me, utterly fucking retarded.
in other news, since I rewrote the doctrine, B52s are fighters now.

>>33259692
Maybe? if those two and >>33259676 are what you're talking about, then yes. Pretty sure that's all I've ever put out, or written for that matter.

>>33259708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ho8TU_JpoI

>>33259709
oh, no it was loads of stuff

>>33259708
>in other news, since I rewrote the doctrine, B52s are fighters now.
>What is a hasty generalization?

Things do actually get redefined based on how doctrine is written, and sometimes just based on bureaucratic dealings.
>see Super-Heavy Tank T28 vs. 105mm Gun Motor Carriage T95

I'm not sure what you'r missing here.

And, again, it's irrelevant.
>If it does anything besides kill tanks [...] it's probably not a TD

>>33259721
God, sometimes it hurts to know that he's stuck with WG. I mean, I get it, it's a good place for him and they treat him well, but the guy's like the fucking Carl Sagan of Tanks.

>>33259740
>And, again, it's irrelevant.
>>If it does anything besides kill tanks [...] it's probably not a TD
fair point.
I'm just having trouble with the concept of that being all it does vs that being all it can do, you know what I mean?

I just don't get the idea of having something like the hellcat where
>all it does is kill tanks
>that is all it could ever do
vs something like the sheridan where, if you set up the doctrine
>all it does is kill tanks
>it could also be pushed into a scout/light role if necessity arose
I just don't get the point of pigeonholing all your equipment into these very specific roles and therefore fucking the possibility of adaptation.

>>33259757
>I just don't get the point of pigeonholing all your equipment into these very specific roles and therefore fucking the possibility of adaptation.

Yeah, welcome to 21st century weapon design. For some reason most nations, and the US especially, has a bad track record with things like this. We look at our stuff, ask "why can't it do more" and then some faggot shows up and says "Why can't it do EVERYTHING?!" Then we end up with shit like the MBT-2000, FCS, LCS, and F-35 (not going full Spreytard here. We all know too much was asked of it).

The other thing is that now, in an age of man-portable and airborne precision anti-tank weapons, the need for a mechanized, ground based system has waned. For example, if you wanted to turn a Stryker into a "TD", you could develope a 120mm gun turret, or missile launcher system for a few million dollars, or you could throw an FGM-148 team in back and call it a day.

>>33259748
>carl sagan of tanks
kek

i even heard someone said he did something on the fucking gup movie

>>33259484
>the StuG III would have 6 rounds in your ass before you could maneuver for your kill shot.

>>33259811
>7.5cm PaK 40: 6.8kg round at 792m/s to 1800m with a maximum penetration of 132mm of RHA at 90 degrees at 500m
>152.4mm BL-8: 48.78kg round at 850m/s to 18,500m with a maximum penetration of 203mm RHA at 90 degrees at 2,000m.

The ISU would have as many rounds in your ass before you were even in firing range, friendo, although it would only take one.

>>33259889
precisely how the fuck are you going to target anything 55000 feet away?

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>>33259676
>420mm shell screams from the barrel, the blast illuminating the night
Oka was a mortar though, so more like "the deep sound of 420 mm rounds leaving the barrel in a night illuminating blast".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbYc_xiLrik
If you want a howitzer opt for Kondensator instead.

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>>33259676
Or S-103 recoilless gun at this point.

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>>33259757
The hellcat was used for more than just killing tanks. Look at statistics. For every ap round fired there were 3 he fired. Hellcats had the ability to kill tanks but they found be used for infantry support.

>>33259915
Was it really? You're sure that's not the 2S4 Tyulpan? I mean, I get that barrel length isn't necessarily indicative of role when it comes to artillery, but I'd think a long-barrel 17 inch gun would be a howitzer and not a mortar.

>>33259954
This is a circumstantial matter. The German's lack of tanks to oppose the M18 doesn't change what it was inherantly designed to do. The M10 was arguably a more effective SPG than it was a TD, but it doesn't change the fact that it was a tank destroyer.

All this being said, my "Kills tanks and only tanks" was more in terms of post-war and modern weapons. Admittedly, with America in WWII, the line is a little bit less about function and more about what department wanted, or didn't want, what features.

If you watch the video that this anon >>33259721 posted, you'll see that the US had a lot of bureaucratic issues when it came to the development, testing, procurement, and production of anything armored.

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>>33259111
The Hetzer because it's cute

>WoT : The Thread

>>33259413
He plays too much world of tanks, cause you can put the L/70 on a StuG G.

>>33259656
Uhh sauce plz, this thing is a fucking cute CUTE

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>>33259111
Worlds greatest destroyer of tanks, coming through

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Who cares if it shits the bed and bursts into flames?
It has tons of armor, and interesting history, and looks cool!

>>33260013
AMX ELC, french post-war airborne tank. I've heard it referred to as both a light tank, and a TD. Not really sure exactly where if falls. It's tiny and fast.

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>>33260013
called the AMX ELC (bis version pictured)

Tiny, light, air transportable TD, even if wot calls it a light tank

>>33260025
actually looking at it, makes me think of the american M55 SPH, as in the fact that it's just a tank that's engine forward and gun rear.
am I right?

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>>33260034
to get an idea of size

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>>33260018
>gun is ineffective against modern TANKS
>carries a payload of guided weapons that can be used by essentially any other aircraft.

It's a great CAS platform, but it's hardly my first choice to kill tanks from the air. If you really wanna do it right, well pic very related.

>>33260037
It might be my little bubble, but how can someone know enough about armor to identify a relatively obscure SPH, but not the Elefant?

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>>33260039
>B1B
>not pic related
at least make me want to like you, anon

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Glorious improvised tank destroyer of the reich

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>>33260037
Technically the engine (And in this case, electric generator) were in the middle. Driver sat up front and the commander & gun crew were stationed in the rear.

>>33260046
honestly just never had an awful lot of interest in german armor, don't know why, just don't find it all that interesting.
just seems to be a chain of
>lets take a tank hull that looks like a fridge box
>make it wildly overcomplicated
>put the same 88mm gun on it we put on everything
>deploy them to meh effect because they had so much downtime

>>33260039
>using a supersonic, nap-of-the-earth, strategic bomber
>to kills tanks
Full fucking retard.

>>33260049
>getting blown out of the sky by gook pilots when you could fly there at mach 1.25 and drop down for a mach 0.9 attack run

fucking kek. Also:

>BONE: 125,000ib payload
>BUFF: 70,000ib payload

Face it, anon; it's faster, deadlier, smarter, and a hell of a lot sexier. The B-52 is a good rubber mallet, but the B-1b is your fucking pneumatic forging hammer. Old things can be nice, but nice doesn't mean better.

>>33260068
WHY DO YOU HATE TO DREAM, FUCKER

>>33260091
He was making fun of you because only an idiot would suggest a heavy bomber for a tank busting role.

>>33260099
no, I really wasn't
in a thread of "whats the coolest meme vehicle" I was trying to out-cool his bone with the glorious buff
don't be a divisive nigger.

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>>33260063
Totally fine. Not everyone can know everything.
If you want a quick summary of the Ferdinand:

>Competition for Germany's heavy tank (Tiger) comes out
>Two companies quickly jump to the front of the line; Henschel and Porsche.
>Henschel's design becomes the Tiger I we all know and love.
>Porsche's design used a complex gasoline-electric hybrid transmission. It had the benefit of equal forward and reverse speeds.
>Except the whole idea was terribly executed, there were mechanical breakages, electrical shortages, and fires. Plus a lot of regular maintenance needed.
>Porsche loses the contract but already built 90 hulls because he was confident he would win.
>Turn those hulls into tank destroyers.
>Hitler accepts them, they are named Ferdinand.
>Debut as Battle of Kursk
>Lose half of those 90 vehicles (Mostly abandoned by crews after they became stuck, broke down, or were swarmed by Soviet infantry because there were no defensive machine guns)
>Following Kursk, the remaining ~45 Ferdinands are given: wider tracks, a new gun shield, a bow gunner, commander cupola from a StuG
>Renamed Elefant

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>>33260099
Well, I'm not saying the USAF isn't run by idiots, but...

>>33260049

Never had B-52 CAS. Never really wanted it, either. The Lancer pilots in my AO fucking loved playing Top Gun and doing low-level fly-bys, I guess because they're the only swing-wings left in either fleet. It seemed to be effective, too; never had much trouble when a 300,000 pound bomber was constantly swooping down below 1,000 ft AGL at 400 mph.

>>33260106
>I was trying to out-cool his bone with the glorious buff

Nigger, that's like trying to out-cool an M1A2 with an M4. They're both great, don't get me wrong, but this is the 21st century.

Admittedly, yes, this is all off topic and no aircraft is really a tank destroyer in any concept except maybe the A-10 and AH-64.

>>33260111
also check muh trips

>>33259111
>>>33259954
>
>If you watch the video that this anon >>33259721 posted, you'll see that the US had a lot of bureaucratic issues when it came to the development, testing, procurement, and production of anything armored.
Surprise there American bureaucracy fucks ribs things up.
All of the tank destroyers over ww2 did more than just kill tanks

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>>33259974
The video is of course Tyulpan, I posted it to give you an impression of what a large calibre mortar sounds like as opposed to a typical artillery "boom" sound. Oka was a self-propelled mortar, don't know why would anyone think it wasn't. Your own pic >>33259676 related, the round is visible in front of it.

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>>33260091
>BONE: 125,000ib payload
Yeah, right, keep dreaming.

>>33260160
I mean, I see how the C-103 is a mortar, just by looking at it, but visually the 2B1 doesn't share a lot of the same characteristics of Soviet SPMs, namely the overhanging breech to allow high angles of fire. The 2B1 just doesn't seem to fit into that, whereas the centrally mounted gun and the layout of the suspension to compensate for recoil more back than down would indicate an SPH to me. Admittedly, Iim not sure what about the weapon's projectile is indicative of it being a mortar. I'm no expert, so I could be wrong.

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>>33259607
Oh so sorry

Is this a ratel?

>>33260240
>the gun is just in its cradle in that graphic
>the 2B1 is actually a direct fire SPG meant to fight tanks

>>33260258
I mean, that'd be cool if it was... never said that though.

>>33260240
S-103 is a recoilless gun, it's a different thing.
The decision to cancel Kondensator was made, among a umber of other reasons, due to how fast the the recoil damaged the chassis beyond any repair.

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Gotta go fast.

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>>33260426
wonder how fast one of those can go with the proper... motivation

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>>33261036
Fast enough.

>>33259690

What the hell was the story behind this lol

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>>33261257
Bosnians.

>>33260426
80 kph on road (50mph) or 29 kph off road (18mph)

>>33259889
you are delusional friendo.
back to world of tanks.

>>33259135
>rivets
why

>>33259915
That thing has the coolest name out of anything ever made

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Best TD of WWII You can't prove me wrong.

>>33262553
How's that shredded final drive and lack of reverse gears doing for ya

>>33262657
actually, the Jagdpanther did have better final drives compared to the Panther, that that was pretty much a non-issue on the JP. And it's not like the thing cant reverse

>>33262678
3kph reverse speed isn't great. Also it's late war German the steel was poor quality. Solos design but it has the same problems as all late war tanks

>>33262821
Not perfect, but st ill the best.

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no jagdtiger yet

>>33259644

>>33263096

>>33263111
my bad then.

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>>33263158
all cool, as long as you avoid the Porsche variant

>>33263177
that the one with more or less road weels? i have seen the one with 12

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>>33263202
12??

they Porsche has 8 small ones while the Henschel has 9 larger

i just thinks the bottom one looks so silly

>never skip track-day

>>33263177
>the Porsche variant

What's the difference?

>>33263271
Never mind.

>>33259669
It has a windshield it sucks and never will be good in combat.

>>33263252
my bad. i must be getting confused. i saw the one at bovington

>>33263360
oh yeah, that is a porsche one. Dark green-gray, yeah?

>>33259899
You don't. Wehrmacht soldiers back in the days had the joke that the Russians would have to shoot though the open gun breech with a rifle to see it they would hit because their sights where so shitty

>>33259537
I'M WILD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAp5gAYDUQ

>>33263379
i think so. i know its missing one of its road wheels.

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>>33259111

>>33259640
>T28/95 is the sexiest assault tank ever designed, but playing lots of WoT doesn't mean their stupid, arbitrary classifications are valid in real life. It's like calling the Strv 103 a TD.

do you consider the ISU 152 to be an assault gun or TD?

In reality most "TD" had gun capable of both engaging hard and soft target, with british td being the exception.

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>good tank destroyer
>has a gun
choose one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUkjZ9dil0

>>33263518
missiles are no fun

>>33264366
Only if you aren't the guy on the remote control

>>33260039

Depleted Uranium rounds fired from an A-10 on the roof of a tank will destroy it, or at the least, make it useless.

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Make way for M10.

>>33259111
Do you mean Gun Motor Carriage? Because tank destroyer can mean anything from the detachment to the gun motor carriages, towed guns, and tanks that were part of the tank destroyer units.

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Hands down best tank destroyer of the war.

>>33265119
vets who fought hetzers and assault guns said they were fucking annoying as shit and hated the fuck out of them

>>33265317
understandable tbqh

>>33265317
Hetzer (Jagdpanzer 38t) is interesting; hard to fight against, equally hard to fight in.
Very poor crew layout due to the small space and sloping from all sides.

>>33259411
Not claiming hellcat.
>>33259492
This guy gets it.

>>33261758
>stating facts
>hurr go back to WoT

alright then...

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>>33265087
>expedient countermeasure because the US can't into TDs

Come on, anon, at least pick something somewhat effective

an aircraft

>>33267170
you missed the meme by about 12 hours

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>>33259645
>After a over a year of fighting, the US has pushed the Red Army forces all the way back across Germany, and now fight to retake Berlin

How in the fuck did they spent an _entire year_ slugging it out in Germany?

Without Lend-Lease, the Soviets would have ground to a halt within a month while the U.S. and British bombed the fuck out of them the whole time, while launching Normandy v2.0 on the Polish Baltic coast.

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Out of the way Burger fats and Sauerkrauts! It's time to reclaim this thread for the glorious motherland!

>>33265087
How many drivers drowned in those things?

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>>33259111
>there are people who unironically don't want an M6 Fargo
>b-but muh hellcat was the fastest TD

>>33259915
wasnt it the gun that broke its suspetion every time it shot?

>>33259111
Stug III is actually an assault gun not a tank destroyer

>>33269960
Fastest td that didn't get Swiss cheesed by light machine gun fire