/mmsg/ Marksmanship General #1

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>>33252825
Step 1: shoot boolits til u gitgud

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>Start to finally get okay groups with my handgun
>Go to the rifle range with my new AR
>Can't even get a group

I suck.

>>33252853
What's the most efficient way to git gud?

>>33252867
for bullseye shooting do ball and dummy drills over and over until you absolutely never flinch when attempting a "break comes as a surprise" bullseye style trigger pull on a dummy round,

Also build up your grip strength a shitload and learn to shoot both eyes open - don't tell me you can't - I'm ultra right eye dominant and I just forced it 'till it werked.

For practical/speed shooting there is only one thing you can do - millions of FASTest and billdrills until you have trained yourself to apply counter force exactly in sync with the ignition process every time.

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>>33252825

Getting proficient with a firearm takes time and drilling. I got a new 92fs and I know I need to train a lot more but I don't think I did bad at 12 yards. It's the first full size I owned , only fired 200 rounds and got to excited and maybe ended up mag dumping. I need more training and drilling but I don't think I did that bad.

Anyone here take beta blockers?
I have a tremor 24/7 and they help a little

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>>33252834
lol this is such shit, guns have different grip sizes and LOP and people have varying hand and finger size. There is no magic universal place to place your finger.

Neophyte to handgun shooting here who has some questions.

1. Where should I generally be holding my sights on a target? I understand that this is going to depend on the kinds of bullets I am using and the distance at which I am shooting, but should the front post typically be covering or be directly underneath what I want to hit?

2.) How exactly should I go about zeroing the sights on a handgun with a rear sight that's adjustable for windage/elevation? Like should I fire off 5 shots or something and then adjust based on that?

3.) Should I be shooting with one eye or both eyes open?

4.) At what distances should I be practicing? I have been doing all of my practice to date at 20 yards.

5.) The breath control bit mentioned in the OP--what's the proper technique involved?

6.) What are some big mistakes that are common among new shooters?

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>>33252993
>1. Where should I generally be holding my sights on a target? I understand that this is going to depend on the kinds of bullets I am using and the distance at which I am shooting, but should the front post typically be covering or be directly underneath what I want to hit?

most handguns have a 6 O'clock hold, a few here and there can have a "center" hold (dot on top of what you want to hit) with certain ammo.

>
2.) How exactly should I go about zeroing the sights on a handgun with a rear sight that's adjustable for windage/elevation? Like should I fire off 5 shots or something and then adjust based on that?
Either have a skilled shooter do it for you or get a ransom rest - almost every gun is zero'd from the factory though unless it;s a lemon, ESPECIALLY windage

>3.) Should I be shooting with one eye or both eyes open?

See:>>33252904

>.) At what distances should I be practicing? I have been doing all of my practice to date at 20 yards.

Shoot at a 2" dot at 7 yards until you can keep every round on the color, when you get to that level start varying from 3 to 50 yards so you can learn your boolits parabolic arc

>5.) The breath control bit mentioned in the OP--what's the proper technique involved?

Focus on not anticipating the recoil, you will develop natural shooting and breathing rytthym as you advance

>6.) What are some big mistakes that are common among new shooters?

Anticipating the recoil and flinching downwards, pull the shots low left and thinking their sights are off ;)

Is the Ruger American Compact .223 rifle a good beginner for getting into <200 yard shooting?

>>33253065
Thanks for the tips. The gun I've been practicing with is a DAO J-frame.

People say that they are hard guns to use, but I have gotten decent results with mine despite having only put ~200 rounds through it so far. I can currently do 2'' groups at 10 yards and get all of my shots inside an 8'' circle at 20 yards, with the occasional flyer.

I am looking forward to see how good I can become with it given more practice.

>>33253175
>The gun I've been practicing with is a DAO J-frame.

If you ever switch so a TDA SAO or good SDAO the trigger work will feel easy in comparison

>>33253065
Oh, there were two other questions I forgot to ask:

1.) When shooting isosceles, should I be locking my elbows?

2.) What does a +P rating mean for a gun in real terms? Does it mean that the gun is capable of handling a moderate amount of +P without any deleterious effects? Does it mean that the gun can handle an indefinite supply of +P but will suffer accelerated wear and shorter service life? If the former, what is considered a "moderate" amount of +P? And where does +P+ fit into all of this?

>>33253229
So I've been told. There are a number of areas where I have significant room for improvement, but the guy who's been overseeing my progress has said that my trigger control is excellent. He did the dummy round trick to check for flinch/anticipation, and my muzzle didn't move at all.

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>>33253244
>1.) When shooting isosceles, should I be locking my elbows?

No, you want your elbows to act like struts, keep them slightly bent and maybe even rotate them up and out a little if you can do it naturally (this will apply more grip strength to the top of your hands and earn you better purchase and leverage)

>2.) What does a +P rating mean for a gun in real terms? Does it mean that the gun is capable of handling a moderate amount of +P without any deleterious effects? Does it mean that the gun can handle an indefinite supply of +P but will suffer accelerated wear and shorter service life? If the former, what is considered a "moderate" amount of +P? And where does +P+ fit into all of this?

You are understanding the markings correct - I would not concern myself with hotter loads beating the gun up more. Will they wear your gun faster? Yes, but the kind of round count to notice the variation in wear equates to thousands of dollars spent on ammo.

If your gun isn't marked or listed in the manual for +P+ I wouldn't shoot it, or at least I would call the manufacturer before doing so

>>33253305
>maybe even rotate them up and out a little if you can do it naturally

I never realized I should have been doing this. I just tried it, and the effect seems to be amazing for stability. Thanks a bunch; I can't wait to actually try this in action.

>>33253370
no prob man.

I picked it up from Frank Proctor

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>>33252993
Never close an eye; squint instead, and practice until you can instinctively shoot with both eyes wide open.

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>>33253065

>>33252864
fundamentals man

>>33253734
mosdef sage advice dat macro

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>>33252825
How relevant are these targets to rifle shooters shooting without a bench?
Either way, I have a bunch printed and will keep using them for everything.

>>33254539
How far away are you supposed to have the target?

Note that the standard for pistols is 7 yards.

>>33254652
100 yards is where I do my rifles

>>33254539
Probably not, because rifles are held more stably than pistols.

Just trial and error until you get things right.

>>33254539
these targets are for one-handed pistol shooting

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>>33252964
That's the reason why you must fingerfuck every gun before you buy.

When you hold the grip, the trigger must be stable in the center of your fingertip. If it doesn't, modify or change the grip.

I wonder why people consciously flinch when shooting.

I always put myself in a zoned out meditative state, focusing on my breathing. I never noticed any flinching.

Took me 2-3000 rds to git gud.
My focus is 25yrds and under, defensive use, semi auto hand gun.

Work on being accurate before being fast.
Proper grip will reduce recoil and improve accuracy.
A good recoil reducing grip reduces my urge to flinch. A good grip avoids having a "death grip" which restricts the movement of one's trigger finger.

Get your dominant hand grip as high as possible, meaning lots of tension between the beaver-tail of the grip and the meat between your index finger and thumb. This mitigates much of the backwards rotation beyond locking your wrist. With your non-dominant hand, squeeze hard on the grip and the fingers of your dominant hand. Why? Too much tension from your dominant hand will restrict the smooth movement of your trigger finger, creating left/right drift.
A good grip will mitigate the need for and impact of flinching. Bad grip -> bad recoil -> compensating for recoil by flinching.
TL;DR a dominant high grip and tight non-dominant grip will give you a complete grip that reduces recoil as well as allowing a smooth trigger pull, even during fast firing strings.

> Shooting drills - Dot Torture or an index card.
Get accurate shots first, draw and then shoot accurately, draw then shoot an accurate string, add targets and complexity as previous goal reached.
> Technique - Proper grip, proper trigger pull, proper trigger reset.
> Ammo - train with a ball ammo that is as ballistically similar as your defensive ammo.
Avoid shitty reloads.
> Zeroing - once you can get a very tight group then worry about the nuances of your rear sight
> Each session - 3 inch group, @ 7 yrds ,15 rds, 5 seconds. Rock 19. Work until you can get here.
> Range time - Once a month minimum, hopefully biweekly. Depends how much you dry fire practice.
> Break in? /Bolt Action General/
> Dry fire - Every fuckin' day, minimize your front sight movement, record to observe.
> Speedload - practice reload from CCW config with daily dry fire practice.

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>>33252993
>>33253244

Also this guys Macro images
>>33253716
>>33253734
are 100% truth in regards to on demand practical shooting
When I'm waiting for the buzzer to go off, I'm repeating in my head
front sight post
front sight post
front sight post

like a chant.

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How do I make these groups better?
Left side is 7 yards with a Ruger Mark IV Target, right side is 7 yards with a Sig P320, center is 50 feet with the Ruger.

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>>33255622

In terms of practical accuracy combined with precision you are looking good anon.

If you really, really want to push keyholing/one holing at 7 yards I recommend you work on muscles to counter micro-fatigue.

If you really really want to farm good groups now with little strength training - reholster after every shot to return to 100% strength.

>>33255703
>work on muscles to counter micro-fatigue.
This might actually be what I need most. I noticed I was shaking pretty badly after a bit with either pistol, and I was holding them out emptying entire 10 or 17 round mags each time. I loaded new mags and waited a few minutes watching other people shoot between mags.

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>>33255814

I'm almost 100% sure it's the next most efficient thing you can work on.

Going in with 100% strength not only increases your physical capability but also reduces mental strain component.

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>>33255814
>>33255875

Also if keyholing is the end goal, shoot slower than fucking molasses. Never ever break the trigger unless you feel 100% at strength and mental focus with your heart at is perfect resting pace.

>>33252825
how to stop anticipating shot?

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>>33255921
Ball & dummy drill over and over and over.

Or if you like to do it less formalized - have a buddy load you mags with like 1/4 of the rounds snap caps or empty brass. Everytime you hit the dummy and flinch have him kick you in the grundle.

>>33252864
What do your groups look like? What distance are you shooting? The AR is one of the easiest guns in the world to shoot well.

>>33255875
I'll do that.

>>33255895
Yeah, I wasn't shooting slow at all except for the 50 ft group.

>>33256315
I'm the lanklet grouppost you've been commincating with all thread.

I reference these two vids a lot for training/working out at home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDjJJsxt0JU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpmnDU4nmM

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>>33252825
I keep getting worse.
Even dryfire drills seemed to have failed me.
Low left is a curse

>>33256646
There is a bell curve during the time (as in minutes and rounds that day) you spend shooting that is inversely related to the overall time (your life and experience level) you've spent shooting.

Basically, when you are new/intermediate, your early rounds are the best of the day.

When you are experience/old your middle rounds (kinda warm but no fatigue)are the best of the day

And when you are god tier/pro and insanely fit your completely warmed up IE: last rounds of the day are your best.

Holy shit a /k thread that isn't full of retards arguing over tiny things, but is actually educating. In like Flynnnnnn

>>33256782
>inversely

I don't know why I used that word, I should have used parallel or proportionally related...

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You guys want to watch Frank Prctor's Performance Pistol on my stream?

He's more USPSA focused so it's less tacticlol and more universal" this is how you shoot fast and accurate" type stuff.

>>33256782
When you are a beginner, when do you know if it's the time to stop and call it a day?

If you're shooting while feeling tired, you're just wasting ammunition.

>>33252864
Anon, shooting is like any other skill, practice.

>>33257213
>When you are a beginner, when do you know if it's the time to stop and call it a day?

Generally when mentally I could tell I was no longer focused, I would often "fight through" the physical fatigue.. yes the groups were looser but I could still learn and do good reps, but the second the mind starts to wander I would pack it up.

Back then that was generally around 200 rounds fired in slow fire groups which could be 2-3 hours depending on targets and other factors.

>If you're shooting while feeling tired, you're just wasting ammunition.

Emphasis on the feel and yes, I think physically burnt out you can keep learning - it's kind of good to learn to use your willpower and brain to override body barriers.

>>33253244
I wouldn't use +P+. As I understand it there is no standard for +P+ like there is for +P. I could put a ridiculously high pressure load in a shell and call it +P+. This can definitely increase wear.

>>33257414
>no standard for +P+ like there is for +P
Bingo.
No standards at all for +p+ and there are +p standards for only a handful of cartridges.

>>33253244
>>33257414
Is it a good idea to only practice with standard loads but keep +P for self defence?

Or would it get you killed due to the increased recoil, altered ballistics, and bigger boom possibly throwing off your performance?

>>33257498
My personal mantra - and most serious peoples as well is this.

Pick a SD load that prints with the same, or a very close POA/POI and has the same/similar recoil, same similar muzzle/flash as your target ammo.

I do this as follows. If 15 grain ball 9x19 is leaps and bounds cheaper than I can currently get 124 ball I carry with +P 115 Cor-Bon DPX because it prints *close enough* for me

If I can snatch 124 grain at only 1 or 2 cents more per round than 115 ball I'll practice with that and carry 124 grn HST

>>33257598
How do you get to know all that without subjecting your gun to indiscriminate wear and tear?

>>33257657
I'm not sure I understand what your asking would you mind expanding on it or rephrasing?

>>33257727
+P ammo stresses the gun, possibly reducing its service life.

I'm guessing it would be wise to use that ammo as seldom as possible.

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>>33257774
Ok got it.

Well yeah if you want to carry +P ammo you are going to want to develop the ability to shoot groups consistently and precisely enough to measure the difference between that and whatever ball target stuff you like to train on.

For me - as long as the disparity between printing is inside 1" at 7 yards I'm pretty confident, when I push out to 25 or 50 head shots are no longer on tACChe menu either so I generally will just have to aim a little higher with the SD +P stuff than the target stuff. (faster ammo of the same weight actually prints LOWER on the target than its slower counterpart)

>>33257774
>>33257774
Ok got it.

Well yeah if you want to carry +P ammo you are going to want to develop the ability to shoot groups consistently and precisely enough to measure the difference between that and whatever ball target stuff you like to train on.

For me - as long as the disparity between printing is inside 1" at 7 yards I'm pretty confident, when I push out to 25 or 50 head shots are no longer on the menu, so I generally will just have to aim a little higher with the SD +P stuff than the target stuff. (faster ammo of the same weight actually prints LOWER on the target than its slower counterpart)

>>33257824
>>33257834
Dude fuck comcast what a garbage retarded piece of shit company who cares nothing for anything but lining it's pockets with hard working people's dosh

Sorry for the double tap - no idea how it got past the 4chan filter but I'm going to leave it because 1 has a pic and 1 has edited grammar

>>33257824
Is there any noticeable difference in recoil when running +P ammo?

>>33257858

For me, in the 9x19 variety- I can barely detect it in terms of recoil impulse and I can notice it only a little bit more on the paper.

9x19 +P just doesn't really seem that different to me, maybe it's because the gun or my grip strength and mental focus I have that day are the more prominent factors.

>>33257925
I guess it would be safe to carry +P ammo then. The difference in shot placement can't be that bad at 7 yards.

As long as the guy is dead, that's what counts.

>>33257998
Only thing I can reiterate is this - shoot tight 7 yard groups and confirm the hold over distance so you are at least aware of weather to change POA/POI high or low with SD loads

Will it matter in 99.999999999% of the situations you come in to? Absolutely not.

But if your round is errant by .75" combined with the huge disparity in accuracy when in a state of duress you might strike a toddler on the 2nd floor of an apartment building, and that fraction of a percent is every single last part of your life in this instance.

Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it - best to keep his billed hours as low as possible

>>33258069
>weather

I hate myself

Sorry kind of slamfire posting right now

>>33258069
Thanks for the info mate.

Time for me to pick up some +Ps then.

If I normally shoot isosceles, what is the correct technique for one handed shooting? Do I turn my shoulders? What am I supposed to do with my unused hand?

>>33258234
I make a fist with my off hand and hold my arm against my side with my fist over my heart.

Is that how they teach it? Hell if I know I never went to shooting school. It works well for me.

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>>33258234
>>33258280

OK. So in general stance should be totally on your back-burner in the sense of priorities.

On a static range yes, listen to all the trainers and stand the way they say because it will offer strength and resistance to shooting fatigue.

But on the range you only shoot 1 handed when trying to mimic a scenario from an actual fight for your life.

I'm kind of losing my acute and specific point here so let me say it like this.

Stand and use your arms, head, hand and fingers the exact same way you would one handed as you train to do properly as two handed. The only thing I would suggest you do different is rotate the gun counter clockwise about 25 degrees if you are a righty - this is to balance the recoil of the gun with the positional strength of your grip and drive the recoil straight back/up rather than at an obtuse angle.

pic related

my XD-40 has got the 6 o' clock sights, and they're a true pain in the ass when you dont shoot it THAT often, and at unusual targets.
its a memory game trying to test where to aim each time i go out..
would these fix it? just elevate?
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>>33259347
>http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/970937/williams-fire-sight-set-springfield-xd-xdm-fiber-optic-red-front-green-rear?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Gunsmithing+-+Gun+Sights+(Metallic)-_-Williams-_-970937&gclid=Cj0KEQiAl4TGBRDhgvmikdHPsdABEiQAtBcc8MnJUsqzNCdQ3ULEDl542NUQsrehbvMuM92O7C1z54saAiCK8P8HAQ

No idea if they would fix it but there's always going to be a "memory game" component to your pistol sights because of the parabolic trajectory and varying ballistics of different brand boolits

>>33260725
What bugs me is that at 20 yards it his like 4 inches over where I point
Now that would be okay if i shoot it ever day, but I don't

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>>33261429
>What bugs me is that at 20 yards it his like 4 inches over where I point

That's how my HKs are too, and I agree it's frustrating to aim at the dirt to hit an 8" plate at 25 yards

Sounds like you can experiment with two things

1) the target ammo you buy and shoot - mess with different pressures (NATO, Major power factor, Minor power factor - even polycase frangible super fast light and flat stuff) - and mess with the bullet weights combined with these different pressures too.

2) Sights - not much to add to this, it would kind of be trial and error and could be costly but might allow you to keep shooting whatever you currently like to use

>>33261473
>whatever *ammo* you currently like to use

>>33258607
That's counter-clockwise from your point of view anon

>>33261484
>>33261473
Well I reload .40, so I can kinda fuck around with it.
Currently I'm reloading 180 gr flat point (just ran out of 155 Copper HBRN) with 4.5gr of HP-38 for the powder
Should be like 27k PSI or something around that

>>33261527
Can you buy ultra lightweight poly ammo boolits like https://www.laxammo.com/handgun/9mm-ammo/polycase-inceptor-9-mm-65-gr-rn-50-rounds-range-target-ammo-detail

I would say if you want to bring your printing to more of a center hold you need faster ammo and these lightweight poly boolits fuckin zip

>>33261473
>he doesn't have a match trigger in his usp
kek

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>>33261590
I'm more of a LEM guy - I do plan on getting the LEM conversion kit for it eventually so it's no longer the odd duckling of the group

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Trying to get into precision shooting with my new Tikka.

Thing is I only have a Nikon Buckmasters II 3-9x on it and I'm wondering how to use it well and efficiently (ie distance for zeroing, holdover vs using the turrets, how to find yardages for the notches in the reticle). I've always been a shotgun guy so I'm pretty lost in all this.

Also I'm very skeptical about pic related.
Caliber is .300 Win Mag

>>33261605
can't help you I am resoundingly average with long guns.

I'm sure there are a few marksman floating around though....

An actual quality thread.

Is it alright to practice with a .22 pistol? I find I'm able to shoot much more accurately with it in general, but my overall accuracy leaves much to be desired. Would it be better to practice with one of my 9mm pistols with a worse trigger and greater recoil?

I'm leaning towards my Ruger Mk III because the ammo is cheap.

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Been lurking here for a while, and I gotta say this is an especially quality thread.

for new shooters like myself (just bought my first handgun actually) I've looked into laser training to practice dry firing at home instead of going to the range all the time wasting my money on fees and ammo until I feel "good" and comfortable enough to shoot outside.

anyone else try this thing out?

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>>33262010
>Is it alright to practice with a .22 pistol?

I don't find it very useful as the complete lack of recoil atrophies your muscle memory to not flinch/anticipate

just got back from the range.

5 inch groups at 52 yards. tell me im special

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>>33261876
>>33262010

I'm glad you guys are finding the info useful, I love talking about the "software" side of pistol shooting and I love imparting what little knowledge I have and I wish there were more opportunities to do this on /k/

Also thanks for not calling me a retarded manchild faggot in this thread

>>33262302
gun, ammo and round count?

>>33252825
>in nose
>out mouth
>in nose
>out mouth
>in nose
>out mouth
>in nose
>while breathing out mouth squeeze trigger
>follow through by fully depressing trigger

>Close eyes and do full breathing routine but don't pull trigger
>Open eyes and see where sight is on target
>Adjust
>Close eyes and repeat breathing routine and open eyes and see where sight is on target.
>Adjust and closed eye breathing routine until when you open your eyes the sight and target line up exactly the way you would have them lined up if you were pulling the trigger.

>If you aren't confident on the shot you are about to make, don't pull the trigger. Put the weapon on safe, and put it down until you are rested or wait until you are 100% satisfied with the shot you are about to take. Once you pull the trigger, you cannot take that shot away. All shots are completely permanent. This is both a gun safety tip and marksmanship tip.

>Stretch daily and work out often. You don't want your arms or back getting tired while shooting.

>Drink lots of water and have a fruit/yogurt before shooting to prevent small floaters in visions from lack of nutrition

>Wash hands with soap and water to maximize grip on weapon

>Train with whatever equipment you are going to use and be proficient in it. Training is where you are allowed to make errors, don't try something new in competition

>If you are shooting prone, wear a long sleeve shirt. Better grip for elbow

Source: Competitive marksman and Biathlete, I only shoot in competitions though and when taxpayers pay for it. I have never shot in stress situations or combat.

>>33262354
What's your training routine like? How often?

>>33262354
What's the proper way to do practical stress training?

>>33262405
As a Biathlete we would do 1-5km loops and then run into the range where we would shoot. We would practice breathing exercises walking into the range. Constantly be doing something that raises your heartrate, but that allows you to follow firearm safety at all times.

Jumping jacks are very good for tight spaces, same with basic push ups and high rep abdominal exercises.

Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday were our team practices, but it was so expected that you would also be doing heavy cardio exercises outside of training it was basically a full week of mandatory Cardio and Bodyweight fitness and Weights every other day. (We were not often doing body weight exercises that get people fit, it was body weight exercises that were essentially there to keep up limber.

My coach was a former Cop and Military Engineering officer who I love like a secondary father. So any stress we felt was the same stress an 2nd generation Asian immigrant felt trying to make his father proud with academic success.

Any meetings we would have, he would make us put on full equipment (Shooting vest, Right AND LEFT shooting gloves, Full blinders) and have us walk around with our Weapons (On safe, with barrel plugs and trigger locks) to always have our muscles used to the weight of the weapons to reduce any muscle strain.

>>33262427
Have exercises that ensure you have a heightened heart-rate, but something that wont make you break any firearm safety rules. Jumping jacks, pushups, high knees (I forgot) and high rep abdominal exercises are good. It is pretty hard as civilians (or poorly funded servicemembers) to be able to go out to a giant ordinance proving ground and operate like that. The stress situations like combat require an enemy or threat you need to eliminate. The closest thing that I can recommend to the common minute man is a situation where you are fighting heartrate. Combat relies on a clear mind that can make confident and quick decisions.

>>33262321
ATF-pai noticed me!!

SQUEE

>>33262595
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>>33262610
i am autistically implying you're the government trying to pry into my abilities.

it's a revolver with a six inch barrel. my goal is to shoot 8 inch groups at 300 yards.
>your move mr lawman

>>33262644
how many shots? I mean even if it's only 3 shots i'm sure you are aware you are pretty fucking accurate, but I'd be thoroughly impressed if it was 10

>>33252864
Don't get frustrated anon. The hardest part is figuring out what mistake you are making. Once you identify the problem, correction becomes easy.

Firstly, look for a pattern in shot placement. If one develops, you now have a foot hold to find out what you are doing wrong.

If there is no identifiable pattern ask a friend to watch you shoot and spot for you, you might be making a mistake unconsciously. If that doesn't work have a buddy try shooting a group to see if you are making a mistake, or if it is something else.

If there still is no pattern, check your firearm. The sights, they might be faulty or poorly secured or not zeroed well; or the barrel crown might be damaged. And also try different ammo with different weights if you are not sure what works best with your firearm's twist rate.

When you can't think of anything else, ask around. People know things than you may not be aware of.

>>33252825
Excellent thread OP. Will enjoy this later with a nice whiskey.

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>>33263990
I'm glad me and 2-3 other anons could post some worthwhile information for you /k/omrade

Same

bumperino

>>33262210
Practice dry firing on your walls, or any other one color surface you have around, and watch the sights closely. You don't need any gadgets.

>>33252825
Is this flipped for southpaws?

>>33269454
yes but. really those things are fake gay and useless.

want help diagnosing your problem? record a short video with a close up of your grip and shoot repeated groups, then show the groups, I got you covered.

>>33261605
Long range precision shooting really requires a first focal plane scope using milliradians (or MOA). You use a round with a known velocity and ballistic coefficient and plug the values in a ballistic calculator and find out what drop it will be at for a given distance. Your bdc will likely work fine for starting, just realize you're going to have to figure out exactly where to hold; the reticle should get you close for 0-500yds

>>33270537
I was just wanting resources for when I become a full hazguns. Right now all I have is an air rifle and an air pistol. I don't even go shooting much as I just moved and don't habe the room to.