Swiss bros, the EU is going to pass the gun grabbing proposal.

>>33252117
Do the Swiss even have to comply? What are the ramifications of refusing?

lobby your government to put up a referendum to leave the Schengen Zone and other EU lite agreements. So you don't have to comply.

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>>33252117
We will bend ourselves and take that big EU cock up our asses.

Basically there's little we can do. Not even the SVP has said anything about this.

Our only hope is an initiative, but as we all know refusing this law would mean the end of Schengen.

>>33252130
The EU would bully us to the point of fucking our economy.

fuck schengen and fuck that cancerous that is g*rmany

Finn here, IIRC our government has said rather loudly that they will not implement the proposal, can't you do the same?

But I thought you mountain jews were the second most pro-fun nation on earth?

>>33252217
>implying that will happen

Your government will going to do what the EU says and then claim that they were pressured to do it.

Like they always do.

>>33252158
who cares about schengen?

so you have to get a bloody passport and visas again.

>>33252233
This decision doesn't come from Switzerland.

It's as if the US had an agreement with the European Union and then the EU decided to add more shit to the agreement and pressure you to adopt it.

>>33252117

rip funerland

>>33252117
Invade Germany.

>>33252239
It honestly doesn't seem like it. This is pretty much the only proposal they've openly gone against like this, which gives us some hope.

>>33252117
Switzerland is not in the EU.

>>33252378
they're in the EU lite club. they're in schengen and a few other things. if they don't comply with the EU laws. Then the EU threatens to kick them out.

There are several things that could happen:

>politicians say fuck it and don't implement the directives
>politicians slightly change the gun laws and make every SSV member or gun club member excluded from the restrictions
>politicians go full "yes sir!" mode and completely accept the directives in order to get more friendly with the EU.
>right wing parties and gun lobbies join forces and start and initiative to stop the directives from being implemented

It's hard to tell. But considering that they already didn't give a shit about the MEI, I bet they will just ignore if the population votes against the new EU laws.

>>33252284
>anything remotely fun about switzerland

they literally banned motorsport

>>33252378
Doesn't matter, they're in Schengen and take all the laws and refugees with pleasure. They have to abide by this law, they abide by every other EU law going.

In practice they can decide it by referendum but this is just a delay tactic, the Swiss parliament will just write it into legislation eventually as the EU will choke them out otherwise.

>>33252378
That's the thing - the EU can enforce this on them because they are part of the free travel area and do a lot of business with the EU.

However, because the Swiss don't have any Members in the European Parliament, they don't have a say.

It's like if California started imposing taxes and regulations on Nevada, without the input of Nevadans.

LEAVE SCHENGEN

EMAIL SVP ABOUT THIS

THIS IS TYRANNICAL SHIT BY THE EU

>>33252423
I'm not a Swissbro, but I know a decent amount of Switzerland's history. They may have taken a lot of the other shit from the EU (and honestly, it isn't all bad stuff), but guns are a big part of what keeps Switzerland what it is, I would hazard a guess that it would treat this proposal differently than all the other ones since it is such an affront to what Switzerland stands for.

Send letters to FDP and SVP politicians

>>33252117

As an Austrian I can only laugh at the mountain Jew.

>>33252253
It's more about economic factors. There is more to Schengen than passports and visas for the average citizen. There are serious trade implications that have the potential to royally fuck over the Swiss economy. The EU is basically going threatening economic sanctions in everything but name.

>>33252472
>either more gun control or you risk you economy

Gee, I wonder what we will decide to do. Considering that my country doesn't like money that much.

>>33252472
No it will not. You have a terrible understanding of the place and the mentality of the people. It is not a Confederate state transported to the middle of Europe, it's an affluent banking economy with 30 percent of its population foreign born. It used to have a militarized border, now it has no borders.

gun control was btfo'd in 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_gun_control_referendum,_2011

do it again

>>33252500
the EU threatening swiss bankers with economic destruction is a bit like jamaica threatening the US with bobsledding.

Quaint, but bound to fail.

>>33252521
That wasn't an EU directive. It was just an internal issue.

Now the EU is saying: do this or face economic sanctions.

Do you think people prefer guns over money and jobs?

>>33252529

You have no idea what youre talking about.

>>33252539
they have to. or rights are gone for good

>>33252521
This time the EU has come knocking and they tend to get what they want with the nations they have scared into abiding by all their rules.

>>33252529
You are infinitely stupid.

The only people in Euroland that are in finance that stand a chance of doing something different to what the EU says are in London, and they don't give a fuck about what happens to Switzerland unless their chalets get confiscated.

EU will get what it wants. That isn't right, but it's how it is. It has done with Switzerland every other time.

>>33252559
Then the rights are gone for good.

When it comes to living well and choosing between guns, the population will choose living well.

Not to mention that it's not a gun ban, so most people will just say that it's sensible gun laws.

>>33252596
fuck off gun grabbing shill. Switzerland joined schengen in 2008. The country was still rich and had the best living standards in Europe before it.

>>33252596
Exactly the same thing happened with their private banking laws. They insisted that no one would tell them how to run their banks. That was fine, until the EU and USA lent on them and they very quickly scrapped all the numbered accounts and released details of EU and US citizens who were banking there.

The mini-monarchies are the ones who can get away with it. San Marino, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Jersey and so on. Switzerland eats the same shit sandwich as everyone else.

>>33252117
>EU can bully countries that aren't even technically in it into adopting their bullshit laws
Why the fuck does anyone even tolerate the EU anymore?

>>33252117
You could always export all of your arms to the US. We can always use more, here.

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>>33252117
> switzerland
you are in the same boat as us
but you might stand a chance and just say "fuck it"

if anyone is wondering, the voting will be held on the 14th of March

>>33252894
Voting in the EU or in switzerland?

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>>33252913
EU
the problem is, ALDE (Alliance of European Liberals and Democrats) worked out changes to the directive, which would improve our situation

sadly, it seems like the EP just votes on the
paper they have right now (including the mag ban, possibility of AR ban and such) and do not care about the changes provided and worked out with ALDE, even though ~40 MEPs said they would vote for the changes FIRST

Again it's fucking leftist parties shilling for this the most

>>33252117
Out of our cold dead hands!

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>>33252984
here are the changes they want
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=AMD&format=PDF&reference=A8-0251/2016&secondRef=113-120&language=EN

>>33252999
who else would shill for a gunban?

>>33252720
I give it a decade until it falls apart. People are getting fed up with their faggotry.
Luckily they watered down the original proposal and it barely changes anything for the most countries. Still: Fuck those cunts.

Seriously, we should comply. Not in the way you think. We should enforce mandatory VERY LIGHT psychological test each time you want to buy a weapon from a shop and it would be valid 10 years to buy weapons from whoever you want. The test would be the same we do to the new recruits for the RS/ER. We could also boast about the best controlled gun population in the world. Actually failing at those tests nowdays is a proof that you should be put down, but it is another story.
The other way is counting on CZ or SL to have balls and tell the EU to fuck off.

>>33253283


>salt weapon ban
>magazine limits
>manadatory psych testing

Laws are going to get fucked over hard.

>>33252117
Lock & load

Only hope is to leave schengen

>>33252117
Go brexit/swissexit with us.

Oh no wait you won't because you're all kikes that love the EU.

>>33252117
Swissexit

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>these based laws are about to become far stricter

Fuck Germany.

>>33252255
I still don't understand. We would say "fuck off, eu. International relations don't change our domestic laws". Can you not do this?

Gentlemen, when do we destroy the EU?

>>33252253
How the fuck can the EU dictate anything to the Swiss? The EU just lost its finance center with Brexit and the Swiss have their own currency.

>>33257410
Because a lot of our politicians are spineless faggots

>>33254887
Pull nato funding and leave them out for the bear to fuck with.

>>33252117
Fuck your letters.
Use your guns.
Kill people.
Do it in the name of swiss..
Someone somewhere someday is going to have to start.
be a martyr
get the ball rolling

Why not just start raiding Europe again?

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Fuck the SVP. Start a popular initiative and leverage on anti-eu sentiment. This is a matter for rhetoric, rather than dialectic. Change minds, get the initiative going and vote this shit out of existence.
This is the time to break out the most aggressive populism imaginable. We can't allow our country to become subject of foreign judges, it's in the FUCKING FEDERAL PACT

>>33254781
basically it's France's and Belgium's fault and Germany is riding the EU bandwagon

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>>33252180
>>33252117
>>33252158

>>33254819
>>33257410

The EU can dictate certain things because Switzerland is part of the European Economic Zone, and by extension Schengen. You can't have the EEZ without being in Schengen, and being part of it also means you have to accept things like EU standards, quotas and various laws. In return you get to be part of the largest free trade zone in the world. (also Switzerland is not a part of the EU, so gets no say in the euro parliament or council)

The Swiss have very low corporate taxes and so attract a lot of international companies looking to set up shop in Europe. They make a fucking killing with this, over the back of the other Euro countries. The flipside to this is that if they are forced out of Schengen due to gun control laws, they're also forced out of the EEZ.

If they stop being part of the EEZ, literally every multinational will pull out of there, plus whatever damage import/export taxes will do to them. They will go from one of the wealthiest nations on earth to poorfags.

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>>33259415
The Charlie terrorists got their guns from a Frenchman who de-neutralized VZ-58s and sold them surplus Bulgarian ammo.
That's why the EU is pushing hard for this shit.

>>33252117
By the way, it's just an EU "directive" meaning that individual nations can choose how they will establish the new gun laws. It's just a minimum set of amendments.

The worst one is the ban on high cap magazines though unless you're actively running shooting competitions.

>>33252180

The joys of a landlocked country.

>>33260432
They tried it more than 70 years ago, nothing has changed.

>>33259714
Switzerland isn't part of the EEA (and not EEZ) and never was. Only Schengen.

>>33252117
Leave the EU you mountainkikes

>>33260985
>>>>>33252378

how does switzerland even make money nowadays?

>>33252539
Any chance america could threaten sanctions against the eu over something like this? Since they're forcing policy on a sovereign nation and all. Or, maybe just calmly state "we will not intervene in the event of russian aggression in Europe." I mean, shit, I know it likely won't happen, but I just desperately want to see those EU bastards get a taste of their own medicine. A man can dream.

>>33261026
High tech
Chemicals/Pharmacy
Luxury goods

>>33254781
>pump and lever are in the same class as semi auto

Jesus Christ, this is even worse than australia

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>>33261031
Save us America

>>33261074
Except that they are a shall issue and they only became the same after a dude massacerd some corrupt politicians of a kanton/state.

>>33260388
EU gun ban law was ready long time before the terror attacks of 2015 and 2016.

>>33261074
>oi vey it's worse than Australia.

Nigga, I can just fill out that piece of paper in 2 minutes and two days later I can go pick up a fucking shotgun, lever gun and a fucking AR15 without even fucking knowing how to shoot a fucking gun.

How the fuck is this worse than Australia considering that they can't deny me any WES when I have no crime records?

>>33261031
You fucking idiot.

>>33261031
Yes please. This would be so great.

>>33261160
Yeah, they were just waiting for the perfect moment to push it.

As soon as the muslims killed that bunch of people in Paris they pushed that shit some weeks later when everyone was going crazy.

>>33261026
Usury

>>33252158
>>33252181
>>33252180
>>33252255
>>33252437
>>33252560
>>33252583
>>33259714
Remind me why nobody has already used "force" the EU if you know what I mean ?

>>33253517
No. Fuck off you faggot.

>>33261241
In fact.. Why nobody has already blown a IED in the EU parliament ???
Since these faggots are shit over 500 millions people's heads ?

>>33252130
>>33252180
All we have to do is hold on for 2 or 3 more years. Then the EU will implode.

>>33261193
Merkel plz.

>>33261276
Roasting cervelat at the burning EU parliament... so romantic.

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>>33252583
Sure thing bro.

>>33261457
Aren't most of your banks foreign? i.e Barclays etc

Sounds like Switzerland may have to start an open resistance if any law has been passed. In which case I doubt the police would be willing to enforce the laws.

>>33261478
No, UBS and CS are the main ones.

>go to general meeting of our gun club
>talk about this and give out some flyers with more information
>everyone laughs at me and says that nothing will happen.

Jesus christ, how blind are these people? At this rate we will accept these gun laws without people noticing it, only when the cops put you in jail for having a Stgw 57 with a 24 round magazine at the next shooting practice, will they realize how fucked we are.

>>33261490
>swiss
>resisting anything

They're pacifists

>>33261518
ARMED NEUTRALITY; MOTHERFUCKER!

>>33261503
Fucking fudds dont care so long they can keep their fucking single shot Standardgewehr.

>>33261558
Yep that's basically it.

They give no shit. I also tried to show how they will probably need to get a Ausnahmebewilligung for the 24 round mags and 20 round mags on their rifles and they just shrugged.

For all they care, the EU could basically ban every fucking semi auto rifle besides the Stgw 57 and the Stgw 90 and they would be happy.

>>33252180
>>33261294
This is bullshit. The EU just can't fuck us to death because we have many pressure capabilities :

- Switzerland is the third economical partner.

- The EU has something like 2 millions of its citizens living and/or working in Switzerland. And juste France, more than 500'000. The EU kikes might be fucking faggots but ain't stupid. Swiss economic crash certainly means more 2'000'000 additional unemployed in a fucked up european economy and social system.
Plus bordered region like Savoy, Jura and Alsace in France, Bade-Württenberg in Germany and Milano in Italy heavily lie on swiss economy. Swiss economical crash also means regional economical crashs in France, Italy, Germany and Austria. Which are already partially fucked up, especially France and Italy.

- Switzerland is also in the fucking middle of Europe and control almost ALL the fucking communication axes of western and central Europe.

-Switzerland controls most of water supply in Europe.


This isn't just about guns. This about EU taking political control over Switzerland in particular with the institutional agreement that is coming. Many politics are saying that in the coming years we'll be forced to choose between becoming part of the EU or saying fuck off to the EU.
If submit to the EU about the gun ban, the problem will come back for an other reason. And the "divorce" the Brussels is inevitable.
Swiss people have already shown that they are not necessarily scared of economical threats with the USR/RIE III votation.

With this gun ban we have the occasion to solve a larger problem once and for all.

>>33261569
>USR/RIE III votation.

What was that about anyway?

>>33261549
You haven't aggressively killed anyone since the 1800's

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>>33261518
They need another Arnold von Winkelried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_von_Winkelried

Without him sacrificing himself for Switzerland the country would never have had peace for as long as it did.

>>33261580
I'm certain that socialists will arrange a mass shooting somewhere in Switzerland.

I'm pretty sure something will happen, I feel it in my bones.

>>33261588
When that happens, the Swiss gun owners need to cling to their firearms even tighter.

>>33261577
More than enough german pilots and american bombercrews.

It's about time those mountain hermits got taught a lesson or two.

>>33261599
>"aggressively killed"
>planes crashing into mountains

I don't think you know what "aggressively" means.

>>33261588
>I'm certain that socialists will arrange a mass shooting somewhere in Switzerland.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3056047/basel-cafe-shotting-switzerland/

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/basel/taeter-fluechtig-zwei-maenner-in-basler-bar-erschossen-id6347180.html

http://www.lematin.ch/faits-divers/fusillade-bar-ble-2-morts-1-blesse/story/17683502

>>33261625
What's the motive?

>>33261638
Control

>>33261649
What political or sexual?

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Suisse you know what you must do

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>>33261613
Say that to the krauts and burgers shot down by our Luftwaffen

>>33261613
>planes crashing
>due to being shot down for being incapable to value neutral airspace

>>33261686
Like what ? Join the NATO ?

>>33261657
Control of people. Politically.

>>33261689
The Allies actually dropped bombs on Switzerland because "they thought they were in Germany".

>>33261704
>>33261689
You like shot down 10 aircraft, which you only did because the Americans kept """accidently""" bombing Swiss cities.

Is the Swiss military a meme?

No doubt they can afford good gear, but what experience have any of them had? Like literally any, all the way from pvt's to colonels, have any had combat experience?

Do they model their military training off movies and youtube videos?

>>33261759
They have more armed personnel than Canada, their training would be more than sufficient.

>>33261759
>>33261743
>>33261727
>>33261704
>>33261689
>>33261613
>>33261599
>>33261577

Shut your filthy mouthes. You're all off topic.

>>33261793
yes that means fuck all.

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>>33261798
>on 4chan
>complaining about a thread going off topic after being on topic for ~100 posts

You haven't been here very long have you?

>>33261759
Their training is very good. And ironically they have a bigger and better equipped army than most of western countries.

>>33252117
Armed revolution

>>33261814
Yes I'm sure they are very good skiers

>>33261810
For once we're talking of some serious shit here

>>33261814
What about anti-air / missile defense capabilities? Having well trained infantry, armored, and artillery divisions is useless if all of your military installations can be taken out in under 48 hours with cruise missiles, strike aircraft, and bombers.

>>33261828
>Armed revolution natural evolution of the armed neutrality

>>33261833
I think this post sums it up nicely:
>>33252398

It's completely out of your hands and the only thing you can do now is wait and see what happens, hopefully your politicians have some spine left in them and will stand up for Swiss gun rights, otherwise you're gonna get the EU cock rammed far up your asses.

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>>33261831
And you good eaters

>>33252117

Love how Sweds alays talk about how great their county is. Here they are, about to be cucked by EU. First you take in all this refugees and now this? Kek, get cucked fags

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>>33261963
>Sweds

>>33261963
>The height of American intelligence

>>33252117
Czech Republic is going to have the right to bear arms as part of the constitution. EU bureaucrats can go fuck themselves.

>>33262060
>>33262020
I think he's one of those funny guys who say incorrect things online just to illicit responses

>get guns to fight tyranny
>tyranny comes
>"stop promoting violence guys you're literally playing their game join the NRA and fight peacefully!!!"

:^)

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The EU is trying to make even FRENCH laws stricter.

They also want to reduce (and most likely ultimately ban) the use of cash (cash is already a reduced freedom in France sadly), as well as regulate the use of bitcoins, gold, and even even fucking barter!

I'm glad the EU is actually dying and most likely won't be able to do shit. But whatever comes next won't necessarily be better.

>>33262245
>EU is actually dying
Wishful thinking, kek!

It hasn't even begun its totalitarianism. It hasn't even begun stripping off individual nations their remaining rights. It's coming though.
And European men won't fight because they're all low test noguns cucks who run to the polling place every X years to elect a new master that doesn't give a single fuck about them.

>>33260388

>D category
>no metallic cartridges, only cap and ball

This is a common misconception btw. Black powder =/= necessarily cap and ball. I own a black powder cartridge revolver and it's 100% legal and unregistered. The legal trick is it just has to be an original one and not a modern reproduction.

The EU is trying to suppress D category and similar things in other countries and make ALL gun possession illegal without a permit.

>>33262281

No, the EU is going through a deep crisis, it's dying period.

But it doesn't mean totalitarianism will stop its rise there. The FN are fucking fascists, all other parties have totalitarian potential as well. And the banks are seeking absolute power and control over the poor and they've been successful at increasing that power and control so far.

Not everyone is noguns, but people won't revolt until they start starving I'm afraid. My only hope is that society will turn in not exactly 1984 but more of a cyberpunk world where a marginalized alternative, underground society will exist.

>>33262308
I know.
It's a basic chart to give a simple overview on the gun laws. I didn't mean to go into the specifics of these retarded laws to avoid confusion.

Cat D revolvers with metallic cartridges are:
-very expensive and rare, as such I choose to completely ignore them because only collectionners would buy one
-the ammo isn't unrestricted, is expensive and not made anymore

So it's sort of pointless.
1 example: http://www.naturabuy.fr/REVOLVER-REICH-DA-OFFICIER-Mdl-1883-Calibre-10-6mm-Allemagne-XIXe-item-1242601.html

>>33262346

Naturabuy is overpriced crap, go to gun shows m8.

You're wrong about the ammo as well. All components are readily available without a permit but you usually have to handload it yourself. Check H&C for handloading kits. You can buy powder in any gun shop online.

http://www.hc-collection.com/

It's pretty much a legal loophole, few people know about this.

>>33262363
Je parlais pas de PN mais de cartouches métalliques. Il te faut bien les étuis de quelque part... et c'est réglementé.

>>33262388

Non. Non, pas du tout. Pas pour les vieux calibres en PN.

http://www.hc-collection.com/kit-complet-11mm-73-c2x2375753
http://www.hc-collection.com/12-etuis-rechargeables-pour-44-russian-c2x10119241

Il faut arrêter d'inventer des règles, nos lois sont déjà bien assez strictes comme ça. Etuis, amorçes, projectiles et poudres sont en vente libre. Les étuis ne sont réglementées que pour les calibres en PSF (mais pas les amorces, ni la poudre, les projectiles je ne sais plus mais tu peux facilement t'en fabriquer tout seul).

>>33262388
Im not talkinG about blackpowder but metal cartridges. It serves you well that you study the parts and which is reglemented.

Swiss translated

>>33262428

Black powder =/= cap and ball

metallic cartridges =/= smokeless

Those are two separated notions.

>>33262413
>44 Russian
Ok now I get it.
I admit it's bit of a loophole but as I said, the revolver themselves are very expensive. Not many people would throw away 2 grand on a rusty piece of shit just to stay out of the government little papers.

How much did you pay for yours then?

>>33262456

650€ for a MAS 1873. It took a little cleaning and I had to replace a spring after fucking around with it a little bit but it's still in good shape otherwise.

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>>33252117

>>33262468
Good deal, have you shot it? How's the precision with your handloads?

>>33262483

Not yet sadly. But when I bought it it still had signs of having been tested recently (powder, the asshole didn't clean it aferwards, if I hadn't bought it he would have left it to completely rust probably). But at least I know it won't blow up in my hand.

>>33262478
>one guy goes MOLON LABE and runs out with his guns
>police chases him and takes him down
>government declares: "ok everybody, time to surrender your guns for our safety"
>noguns are scared, they are the majority and wholeheartedly agree with the State
>gun owners comply because they don't want to lose their jobs, their homes and their families

This is why this theory doesn't work in a realistic situation.

>>33262508
>claiming a theory is wrong without testing it first
>follow up with your own, unproven theory passed off as fact

while what you said is very likely correct, you're a faget to claim so

>>33262601
>without testing it first
Violently or not?
Mass shootings and refusal to be arrested are the reason why France, the UK, Australia and many other countries, which had lenient gun laws, voted for stricter gun control laws.
There's an even worse thing than gun ban: self-confiscation. The refusal for ordinary citizens to even acquire a gun for the sole reason that the State might one day take it away.

You are lucky in the US thanks to your consitution but Europe is cucked.

>>33262495
I hope you stockpiled on the - for now - unrestricted materials you need. Cause the new EU laws will probably put all of these behind sport shooting/hunting permits.

>>33260388
No one really knows where the guns used at Charlie Hebdo came from. Interpol identified one or the other but the French ministry of interior quickly put the guns under secret defense and thus blocked any further investigations from outside. Rumors circulate that the guns were purchased from a Belgian arms trafficker who "reactivated" guns to send them for the moderate rebels in Syria. The arms dealer who worked for the socialist government also seemed to have contacts with the Le Pen family. All this mess could explain why the French blocked the Interpol investigations. Knowing the Grande Nation and its magouilles, this wouldn't even surprise me.

Anyway, Swiss shooters will make a referendum if this gun ban passes, preventing the law to get applied. The SVP also still has one or the other anti-EU initiative in its sleeve. Also, keep in mind that about 1 million EU citizen work in Switzerland. If the EU pressurizes Switzerland and companies leave or go bankrupt, all those people will be unemployed and will go back to their countries (mainly Germany, France, Italy and Portugal).

>>33262735
as far as testing the "Angry peasants with rifles" theory goes, I'd assume the best method would be nonviolently seizing utility services (city water, power, gasoline, that kind of thing) turning them off and then waiting for the government to either cave on your demands, attempt to arrest you or even pull a Waco.

I'm not saying that I'd be at the head of the line for such a test, but it'd probably be a good way to make them listen without forcing their hand too much.

You're right about Europe though, as far as I know anyways. America has a far stronger gun culture and we don't take infringement lightly (most of the time...). All you can really do is expose others to guns and hope you can bring them around to your way of thinking.

>>33260388
>▶
wait.

so if I want t shoot bird/target/buck shot, I need a harder to get license than a shotgun that shoots slug?

because you don't shoot shot out of a rifled shotgun.

>>33262735

Well the ban isn't going to happen tomorrow. If it happens at all. But yes I've started buying more just in case, if not exactly stockpiling. I have other things to spend my money on. The more problematic part is the cases imo, everything else can be improvised.

>>33262849

There's so many shady shit going on around the attacks in general. Nothing would surprise me, not even that some of it is pure false flag, although I wouldn't bet on it. The government IS responsible though, at least to some extent, and takes advantage from it to push agendas.

Btw did you know Charb applied for a carry permit and it was denied? Disgusting. He might still be alive if we lived in a free country. But nah of course the government has only pushed for more bans, less rights, more Big Brother shit.

Haha time for Swexit

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>>33262955
> Britan is save now

>>33261573
Switzerland was forced by the OECD to change its tax laws. Many people thought the USR3 was a gift from the politics to the economy, but it's wrong. It was a try to comply with OECD standards. The question is: do we really care about those foreign multinationals who have their headquarters here in order to pay less taxes? Because let's face it, they give us no benefit. They employ few people. The people they employs are either expats, temporary employed migrants (who'll end up leaching our social system), and lowly paid trainees. And they form no apprentices.

>>33261638
Just Jugos being Jugos.

>>33262972
>in twenty years britain has the best gun laws in europe

not sure how to feel desu

>>33262933

That rule only applies to pump-actions. But yes, it's stupid.

Actually pump-action shotguns were banned/restricted in the 90s, but not pump-action rifles. Since in France the definition of a rifle is well pretty much having a rifled barrel, well you get it, it's pretty much a loophole.

One of the only way we have kept some rights lately is taking advantage of the legislators' ignorance, but maybe that won't be enough anymore.

>>33261963
>shitposting this hard

stop your're making us look bad

>>33263042
what about semi auto shoties?

>>33262987
>Switzerland was forced by the OECD to change its tax laws

I am struggling to think of something that has been suggested to Switzerland that they haven't complied with over the last 25 years.

The Cold War was the best thing for the Alpine states. They could hide themselves away from the rest of the world behind their mountains and do as they liked. That is no longer the case.

>>33263056

I'm not sure because I've never been that much into these, but I think they're all limited to 3+1 capacity, if you want to keep them in C category anyway.

>>33252117
We riot

Joke aside, the EU gun ban can't be applied because it literally goes against the Swiss Constitution

No newly made law can have a retroactive effect

>>33263076
Good God that's retarded.

>>33263134
no retroactive effect, but they will require that you comply with the new laws (periodic psych evaluations and the like). Remember that, after 2004, the government has a list of what you have and that the constitutional right to possess weapons is still subordinated to the federal law on weapons and the federal directive. Our constitutional right is moot when it's regulated by laws that are changed so easily.

>>33252117
Here's whats up motherfuckers.

Im a member of a shooting club. The president of my club is a Kantonsrat of CVP.

He told me that the SSV, CVP and SVP are already looking into starting an initiative to get out of Schengen.

So not all is lost fellow gun owners.

>>33263280
I hope that they'll be fucking ruthless. These attacks to our sovereignty need to end for good.

>>33260388
That's absolutely false. Those guns came straight from Ex-Yugo countries and were never "reactivated".
Stop spreading bullshit myths, even though politicians and the media like to do it.

>>33263440
No one, apart maybe of the French secret service, knows where those guns came from. No one.

>>33263498
i heard rumor that one gun came from the USA via Fast and Furious operation.

>>33263498
It doesn't take a genius to understand where the illegal guns in Europe come from. After the end of the last Yugo war, millions of guns disappeared only to find themselves on the black market. Look at every single gun used in crimes and terrorist attacks : all made by Zastava or CZ, all used during the Yugo wars : M70AB2, VZ58, Vz 61, M57...
Muslims smuggle the guns inside Europe to sell them to their north african brothers there. And since the borders between eastern EU countries and the rest of eastern Europe are a fucking joke, they can easily get through. Once in the EU, they can easily circulate anywhere in the schengen area without any kind of control anywhere.
Deactivated guns cannot be reactivated. The media pretend it's possible but they've never been able to do it, politicians pretend it's possible but they don't know shit. That reactivation myth was only an excuse to push new deactivation standard throught the EU (april of last year). Guns were already impossible to reactivate, but now they're all welded and pinned altogether so they're nothing but scraps of metal anymore. That shit achieved nothing.
The real aim of all of this shit is to criminalize and devilize law abidding gun owners, to pretend that we are the problem and that by preventing us to buy something or banning something we already own,it would increase security for the average citizen, which is an extreme lie.

>>33263609
Deactivated guns can be reactivated. I got the confirmation from a gunsmith who does that.

>>33263644
Depends to what standard they are deactivated, you can't uncrimp a barrel.

>>33263644
Back before the law of april 2016, deactivation standards in France, Germany and other Eu countries were pretty much the same : bolt and firing pin cut at an angle, firing pin welded inside its channel (and the bolt removed altogether from AR15s and AKs), trigger mechanism either welded (Germany) or removed altogether (France), one magzine lip cut at an angle (France), barrel drilled 6 times, a steel ball pushed into the chamber and welded inside, a steel rod pushed inside the bore and welded inside, the barrel itself welded to the receiver. Recoil spring and it's guide rod would often be cut, pistons would often be cut.

So basically, the only parts you could salvage on such guns were the parts that anyone can buy without any restrictions anyway : pistol grip, stock, handguard, sights...
For everything else you would need new parts, for which you need authorizations in order to buy them. If you've got such authorizations, might as well buy the whole gun altogether.
Making those parts from scratch would be theorically possible, but if you've got the materials, knowldege and machinery to make a bolt, a barrel and a trigger mechanism, then you might as well build your own guns altogether, which is what some eastern mafias are doing.
No gunsmith is doing that, again that's a myth propagated in "documentaries" where some fuck pretends it's possible but you never see anything done.
Fuck off.

>>33263731
Forgot one last thing.
With the current standards, deactivated guns must have every single component pinned and welded to everything else, including the magazine. Not a single part must be able to move or be disassembled. Try to reactivate that.

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>>33261625
>shooting happens days before the eu vote

Welp. There goes our gun rights.

>>33252472

>isnt all bad stuff

Well the childrape gangs are pretty terrible, but at least our toilet seats are better standardised now!

>>33253517
>The other way is counting on CZ or SL to have balls and tell the EU to fuck off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Czech_Republic#2016_Constitutional_Amendment_Proposal

>>33252521

Ireland decided they didnt want the euro in a referendum

guess what money they use

>>33261638
Flüchtlinge being Flüchtlinge

>>33261638
basel is a massive islamic and nig shithole

>>33252521
Fuck the socialist party

leftishits are the scum of the earth

>>33263731
The said gunsmith had reactivated a full-fun Walther MPL. He shot it full-auto in front of my eyes. The gun was jamming every two shot for some reason, but he was going to fix it. I don't know to what standard the gun had been deactivated as I don't live in the French Califate or German Sultanate. The said gunsmith told me he had to drill the metal rod that had been welded in the barrel away.

>>33261193
The EUs violation of human rights should not be ignored by the American people.

DAY OF THE TOBLERONE SOON LEFTIST EUFAGGOTS

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>>33261558
>>33261567
Ausnahmebewilligung, Standardgewehr

These are real words? Now that's cute.

>>33252117
Time for the British, Swiss, and Czechs to form the European Confederation.

>>33264985
>Standardgewehr
>These are real words?
It's literally a compound word formed from standard and rifle. This is like being in disbelief about the word Cheeseburger.

>>33265020
We would literally control all the money in Europe.

>>33262478
If after discussing with several level headed friends from at least two different political dispositions and coming to an agreement, it's not time.

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>>33264972

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>>33261518
This is the unofficial flag of Switzerland.

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>>33265035
Hmm, now they sound less impressive. I hope you're happy.

>>33261294
>North Korea will fall apart any day now

>>33261061
Than just threaten to cut the EU off from that shit if they try anything

>>33263249
Except not. Since the ban touch also the weapons already owned, it has a retroactive effect.

For the ban to be constitutional, it must only be applied to new purchases

>>33252393
That would be incredibly self-harming for Europe's already stagnant economy and only inspire further nationalist rhetoric trying to tear the EU apart.

Switzerland can safely say no to just about anything they want.

>>33266051
It is though. The people have been starving to death for two decades and their decrepit military is only financed by China's subsidies and their illegal moneymaking schemes. I sincerely doubt they have even a fraction of the required supplies to keep their vaunted army running a week, which is why they're pouring so much money into their nuclear program.

I dont know much about swiss politics, but I understand that their constituiton gives their federal gov no power over the various cantons (states). Could the cantons deny it?

>>33262281
>Germany pushes all this EU bullshit around
>suddenly declares themself the Fourth Reich
>Merkel goes on TV and announces herself femHitler
IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING MAN

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>>33268572
no
:/
our hope is the given the insane bureaucracy of the EU the law takes ten years to become a thing and then in switzerland we spend a few more years delaying its action and then the EU collapses. gun control laws are impossible to repeal once in place though.

>>33269510
>gun control laws are impossible to repeal once in place though.

The only place where gun control laws can be repealed is in the USA for some reason.

Here in Europe, we are shit out of luck when it comes to this. Laws only get stricter and stricter.

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>>33268622
>you will never have a female hitler, who unites germany, austria and switzerland under one flag to conquer the EU

>>33269574
has the usa ever repelaed a gun control law?

You have to keep the guns for protection from the sand niggers

>>33262245
> cash is a reduced freedom in france
how so? can you explain this?

>>33252117
Nothing because you are cucked idiots

>>33270889
Schulz plz.

>>33262337
>The FN are fucking fascists
Kys faggot

>>33269583
>you will never have a female hitler, who unites germany, austria and switzerland under one flag to conquer the EU

Na fuck off. Switzerland will never associate with these cucks.

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>>33252117
Does no one else get tired of this crap? Political posts belong on /pol/.

>>33270919
Directives made by newfags are just that.

>tfw swiss and shoot like shit
;_;

>>33269699
Yeah we have been getting consistently more firearm friendly for 20 years. We even repealed (let it expire without renewal) the assault weapons ban.

>>33271001
You're a disgrace to Vaterland.

>>33271016
But Californians laws are getting worse and worse?

>>33271082
California isn't in the US

>>33271001
ÜB AUG UND HAND FÜRS VATERLAND!

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Sorry friends. If this comes to a referendum I know my city will be on the "Wrong Side Of History" :(. Premature apologization for swiss-romande being fags.

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>>33271099
>FR

Is it true that you guys only take one shower per year ?

>>33271190
didnt know this was a meme. the only thing ive ever been memed on is for being catholic by vaudois and bernois

>>33252117
DO SOMETHING FAGOTS

I enjoy swissposting.

>>33271214
were going to do what we always do. nothing. we'll drag our feet on this and see if we cant wait out the EU. which historically we should be able to

>>33271196
I have never said anything against Zähringer descendent family but the frenchie pesants and fellow berner up north round Delsberg are getting upity. They continue going on and on about an imaginative canton called jura. During service they went as far as raising a 26th cantonal flag, I tore it down during night and burned it of course but what can you do?
Seems to something ludacris like the Malvinas modeld after the Falkland Islands for the argentinians.

>>33271239
i must say i have never heard of this out of fribourg. i cant tell you. im a pesent villager my self though so dunno waht to say

>>33271226
Doing nothing can be effective in certain situations.

I don't know enough about your government to give any meaningful advice.

Jura is canton though so im confused by your post. im also confused why fribourgois were talking about jura though? its all very confusing for me.
>>33271269
its our only hope desu. we just claim "were working on it" for 20-30 years and wait for EU to collapse. EU has a lot of power to hurt us economically right now. imagine living next to NK, except NK has many nukes and an economy 50x your size.

>>33271277
Jura is a meme Canton and shouldn't exist. It's full a disgusting retarded inbreed anti-army leftist. We should remove them like serbians removed kebabs and make this dirty land a gigantic training field for the army. Something like Bure but 100 time bigger.

And I'm not even berner. I'm from Valais.

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>>33271320
from french or swiss german part of valais? i have chalet in valais. pic related. i never meet someone from jura.

>>33271277
The fact that you're essentially being bullied by a conglomerate of shitbags makes me furious. I honestly hope you can preserve everything that you have.

Just a heads up.

My gun club here in Switzerland was burgled last week and they stole 4 Stgw 90s along with all the mags and ammo that we had stored in there.

I've got a very, very bad feeling about this. It's just too fucking convenient.

I hope I'm wrong though, but I have the feeling that something is going to happen this year and then they will blame our gun laws.

>>33271372
Das Schützenhaus ist keine Waffenkammer! Didnt you learn that years ago when that happend the first time?

>>33271389
>3 huge ass safes bolted to the floor.

Newsflash, when someone wants to rob something they will do it.

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>>33271372
probably albanians just going to resell the guns in e-europe. dont fret too much.
>>33271371
such is the fate of being a little country in a big world. before we could hack it but we got lazy, wanted cheap products and now we're depedant. all things have price friend

>>33271395
How far away from civilization is it? Depending on this they can have all the time in the world. Secondly: Keylocked or numberpad?

>>33271425
no place in switzerland is far from civilization friend

>>33271425
It's in the middle of a field, nearest house is about 2km away.

Pretty easy to rob in my opinion, I've been telling them for years to invest in some sort of alarm system connected to the police.

All keylocked.

>>33271343
>from french or swiss german part of valais?

Anon pls I'm a human being... I'm from french speaking part. If I was a walliserdutch I wouldn't even be able to use the keyboard I'm currently writing on.

>i have chalet in valais. pic related.
This is near Monthey, isn't it ?

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>>33271447
outside of sion.

>>33271444
Well shit. Just found out someone smashed a window and got into the bureau, but we dont have anything there. I dont fear about the ammo. its in a bunker with several steelconcrete doors with a key each on several people. The JS rifles are at my place.

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speaking of gun club in switzerland. any fellow swiss have suggestion for gunclub in st.gall that speaks english/french. my swiss german is weak but im only here for few months before going back home to west-FR

>>33271099
Do Swiss French speak 100% French or is it a butchered French like Canadians/Cajuns?

>>33271547
french with different accent and some small changes to some words. swiss-german is not at all like high-german though. speak german not understand swiss-german. speak french, converse easily with swiss-romande. biggest diff i say is we speak french much slower than frenchies

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>>33271372
>>33271444
This isn't good.... Storing weapons in range far from civilization without any alarm system unless you do regular guard checks is a fucking dum idea...

>>33271396
>probably albanians just going to resell the guns in e-europe. dont fret too much.

Of course we have to be worried about it. The fact is that these fuckers are going to sell the Stgw90s to blackmarket and the probability of a criminal use (gang or terrorists) is incredibly high. And any shit will be put on swiss gun laws by leftists.

In fact, it is even possible that the burglary was planed by a leftist/EU group in order to do a false flag attack. And taking weapons from a federal range is even more useful for them because it would show that even gun clubs are unable to keep guns safely.

>>33271569
it is bad thing. but i saying odds are higher its just albanian retards than any organized thing to attack our laws. please be more careful to secure your guns though. from waht you say it seems you did almost everything you could but we live in politically dangerous times you know

>>33271566
>>33271547
But it has the nice tweak of having huitante for 80 and nonante for 90 instead of the moronic french stuff.

>>33271589
I'm the guy from the looted gun club. And yes I have hid my guns very safely.

Btw camouflage is a better safety than big locks.

>>33271596
If i used huitante or nontante in mainland French will people understand/acknowledge it?

>>33271612
*I'm not

>>33271617
Not sur

>>33271612
>>33271625
kinda wish k had post ids. i agree. if no one knows you have gun its good.

>>33271596
yes. frenchies count numbers like retards.
>>33271617
they might, but they will treat you like a retard

>>33263440
Google "Claude Hermant", retard. If you're not French, don't even bother.

>>33271372
Just "steal your own guns" like soldiers do and prepare for SHTF because it's coming and it's coming hard.

Remember that the US didn't have 2A before it became independant. Start your own revolution and make RKBA the very first amendment of your newly-designed nation.

>>33262337
>The FN are fucking fascists
They're 2004 era democrats. Meanwhile you have lots of communist parties all over Europe imposing laws, taxes, and restricting human rights that actually are fascist. If you can't post "Hitler is a nigger who did nothing wrong, holocaust 2 electric boogaloo" on an imageboard, or go out into your backyard and shoot the guns you own on your own property, you are not free, and therefore, living in a fascist state. Because nothing about any of what I just mentioned infringes on anyone's safety or human rights, and therefore if you cannot do those things without threat of pain or imprisonment or death, you're living in a fascist state. All states have elements of fascism in them.

>one of my favorite countries has its gun laws ruined by a cancerous leftist tyrannical organization

fuck this world

Bamp

>>33269574
The 2013 law in France simplificated a lot of things compared to the previous one, and made for easier access for a couple guns.

It makes the whole "We just passed a law, let's make another, except awful this time" so hurtful.

>>33272605
>EU
>leftist
Honhonhon. You have no idea what you're talking about. The EU does the minimal amount of Bread and circuses, but it's as far from socialism as one can get.

>>33273941
fuck off commie retard. socialist democrats in europe shill endlessly for more gun control

So what is this gun grabbing proposal? I'm the gun illiterate OP from >>33271420 trying to restore a Nazi 1944 Mauser 98k. I hope it's not about passing more restrictions and regulations

>>33274084
So does the right. Almost no politician is pro-gun here.
Saying that the EU is anti-gun because it's leftist and that there's no other reason is retarded.
I suppose the ECB and CJEU are communist plots, too?

>>33274478
Nope. In Switzerland all the pro-gun parties are on the right (SVP, FDP, CVP) and oppose the gun grabbing by leftist shills.

>>33274886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_gun_control_referendum,_2011

>Left-wing parties (SP, Greens, CSP) and the GLP are mostly in favour of the proposal, with right-wing parties (SVP, FDP, CVP, BDP) opposed.

>>33273941
Half of the EU leaders are filthy commies famalam

>>33263023
Our gun laws are fucking bizzare

>no semi auto centerfire rifles you terrorist
>.50 BMG is fine
>no handguns you baby killer
>ok only if they're enormous
>you must have a valid defence to get a firearms certificate
>just fill out this form for a shotgun certificate

And my favourite
>air guns? Just be over 18
>airsoft? FUCKING TERRORIST BETTER GET ON A SPECIAL DATABASE FOR THOSE REEEEEEE