Milsurp bread

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>when you pick up your m48 and you accidently drop the barreled action on the floor

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>>33250823
Broke the trigger on my poor M38 that way. I had taken it apart because I cracked the stock.

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2/3rds done!

>>33251794
Which ones do you still need?

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>>33251810
I suppose that depends on how in-depth he wants to get with each nation. For instance, do you toss in Berdan II with Russia or Mauser 1887 with Turkey? Royal Navy also used Arisakas and 7x57mm Remington Rolling Blocks as substitute rifles for instance. We could get way into the weeds here with Mauser Fleigerkarabiners, Serbian M80/07C Mauser-Djurich 7x57mm repeater conversions, Chinese M1907 Mausers in German service, etc.

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>TFW you're waiting for your profit sharing check but you have no work to do and no power at home.
I don't think I've ever been this bored. This thread is all the entertainment I have.

>>33252534
>want to buy Milsurp
>nothing good nearby

goddammit I need more connections around here for leads

>DELET THIS in German, French and some Italian

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Anything in particular?

Just put $200 down on a FN49 in 8mm. Should I go all the way?

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>>33253028
>Should I go all the way?
Depends. How much will it take you to get there?

>>33253242
Another 500-ish. Seems like a good deal and the gun is in decent condition.

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>>33253285
Is it a Century-built one or an actual FN-built rifle?

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Anyone know if k98 front sight hoods will fit on an m48?


>>33250884
Everything seems to be fine even though the sight was flipped forward when it fell, its like hard vinyl not concrete so it seems like no damage was done. I did die inside though.

I think it fell barrel first so it might have hit the edge of the barrel or bare front sight but it was like slow motion with me diving to grab it so its a bit fuzzy.


Besides that and it missing the front sight hood and sling and cleaning rod its good for $290 total.

>>33253315
Now that is a good question. I'll check tomorrow. I believe it's an FN Model.

>>33253443
FN-made rifles have the crown crest on the receiver and the serial # in Arabic; Century-built rifles have the eagle crest and a serial number in Western numerals with a "D" serial prefix.

Got about $1200 burning a hole in my pocket for new (to me) milsurp. What get?

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>>33253545
If you don't I will later this month.

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>>33253545
for 1200 you can treat yourself

I would get an AG42 and a shitload of ammo for it.

this picture also cost 1200 and fills the void in my heart that not owning langes viziers created.

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>>33251940
I think it's pretty clear that you're just working on the commonly issued arms. The Royal Navy issued Arisakas were limited and most were dumped on Russia anyhow so it doesn't make much sense to talk about them. I guess you could also say the same about the P14s, but they made a million of them so it's a lot more of them and served a better purpose.

Though, I should say machine guns would be nice addition, but those are harder to get and have someone loan it and shoot it.

So when are you gonna get to WWII?

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>>33253545
Lebel.

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>>33253780
Are Lebels up in price that much now? I traded a $400 gun for this one just two and half years ago for mine.

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>>33250585

>>33253823
Sometimes, but usually they're around $700 now. But that's $500 left over for ammo or another gun.

>>33251940
>7x57 repeaters
Fuck now I want one.

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>>33253545
Make it something long.

>>33253677
I'm not Othais.

>>33251794
What are the two rifles at Switzerland supposed to be?

I had a question in regards to the mosin's accessories. Where would you keep it exactly? I know the cleaning kit comes in a burlap pouch, but does that just get placed anywhere in your pocket? How about the oil bottle? Did they have an assigned place to put these or a pouch on the belt like with the ammunition?

>>33253361

Where did you get your m48? I just ordered one for $295 from rguns. They said some might not have front sight hood. Doubt it has sling either

>>33253586
Ive got a k98 and vz24 dont need a hybrid right now
>>33253780
>>33253620
we dont have these in IL or not anywhere ive been and I dont like the idea of buying guns online.

>>33254242
>dont need a hybrid right now
Then agree agree with the AG42 guy. Get a Swede or Egyptian variant, and a bunch of ammo.

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>>33254150
Going by the name of the rifle directly above them. one Gras 1874 and a Mannlicher Schonauer 1903 carbine

>>33254242
Then you're gonna be really limited in what you have access to boss. But that's your decision.

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>>33254264
>>33254150
Pretty sure that's Greece, not Switzerland

>>33254272
Just makes me nervous buying something I havent put my eyes on before and I dont have a ffl to be fair. Ever end up with someone trying to pull some shit with a gun you bought online?

>>33250585
just picked up a 91/30 today, any tips for cleaning cosmo off? should i just soak that shit in mineral spirits?

>>33254403
One guy on gunbroker wouldn't send me an address to send his money to, but that really hurt him more than me. Otherwise no, never gotten burned. Had some delays a couple of times but that's just how it goes.

>>33254416
The metal yes, the wood no. Use a heat gun.

Kek gun broker has an app

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>>33254290
They should go to war to see who gets to keep the plussign emblem.

>>33254918
If you really want to be technical I think they're different crosses. The Greeks use a cross of St. George I think. The Swiss, St. Christopher.

>tfw too dumb to fill out the C&R application

>>33255394
I am a little worried about filing a Form 1 to build a suppressor because the language in places seems specific and I'm sure I'm going to use the wrong word, but the C&R was fucking easy man.

Though, I've had mine for 3 months and have only bought a K-31 and a Hakim on it so far.

>>33255425
It took me 2 hours to do my taxes this year and all it was a 1040ez. Im not a clever man

>>33255425
whered you find a k31 though?

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>>33255557
Got one of the ones Classic was selling. It was pretty rough but cleaned up well enough that I don't feel terribly ripped off.

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>>33255841
Here it is being photographed next to a K-11. Had to photograph all muh guns today for insurance purposes.

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Please help me out milsurp friends.

Can you guys give me an estimate on how much a Gewehr 98 and Lebel will run me if I'm looking for one in a decent, shootable condition?

Are there any decent auction or milsurp sites that you'd recommend for tracking these down? Because waiting for them, especially the Lebel, to pop up on gunbroker seems like it's going to take a while. I'm not familiar with milsurp at all and wold appreciate any help.

https://www.armslist.com/posts/6242596/illinois-rifles-for-sale--french-mas-1936

solid price innit?

>>33256639
That's a good looking MAS but it's a gun that's cheap an unpopular for a reason, the bolt is profoundly simple and the lockup is less than ideal. It's basically a french mosin innit?

That sais, it;s still a decent price, yes.

>>33256639
No, $100 tops for sportered garbage.
>>33256672
Well they're not exactly cheap anymore, $500 is the going rate it seems for post war refurbs. And what's this about the "lock up"?

>>33256744
the lock at the rear.

>>33256777
Yeah, that's not as good as front locking, but it's hardly a problem.

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>>33256625
>how much a Gewehr 98... will run me if I'm looking for one in a decent, shootable condition?

$400-600 will get you a shooter Gew.98; they don't draw the Wehraboos like the Kar.98k does.

Post a WTB ad on the Gunboards' Trader forum and see if you get any bites.

My shooter Gew.98 isn't even a Gew.98.

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>>33250585
Latest addition. M41 Carcano in almost perfect condition, no receiver date, stock dated 1950. Anyone know about post-war use/issue?

>>33256744
>No, $100 tops for sportered garbage.


Thats just the stock though isnt it? Liberty tree has those parts for like fifty buks

>>33256843
And all the metal bits? And the fucking proprietary screw driver?

$100 max.

>>33256893
I cant get a fucking nugget for $100. I dont see how that is worth less 2bh

>>33256794
Awesome, I'll check it out.

>$400-600 will get you a shooter Gew.98; they don't draw the Wehraboos like the Kar.98k does.

That's a lot cheaper than I was expecting, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that WW2 weapons are more desirable for the Nazi connotation.

>>33256922
It is sporterized, therefore it is garbage.

Pay whatever you want, but you're a fool to do so.

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>>33256924
The ones you find in that price range are usually mis-matched and/or have Turkish property marks (but I don't mean Turkish re-builds); they got a LOT of Gew.98s in 1917-1918 as war aid from Germany and left behind by German troops fighting alongside the Turks.

The serious Gew.98 collectors don't really go for them because they feel the rifles have been tainted by Turkish use (and they don't shoot their rifles anyway).

>>33257007
I'm actually considering buying a turk one. IDGAF

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>>33257053
Yes, yes, join us.

>>33257007
I see, well I don't really care about who's stamp is on it, as long as the bore isn't shot to shit.

>(but I don't mean Turkish re-builds)

Is this something I should look out for? Is there anything that gives away if it's a rebuild or not?

>>33257007
>tainted by Turkish use

ive missed out on some nice stuff because of stupid reasons like this. I just dont want muzzy guns

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>>33257060
>>33257053
posting muh roach.

made by Mauser, smooth as silk for being a turk

>>33250585
wheres a decent place to get stripper clips for a mosin?

>>33257124
fucking anywhere https://www.amazon.com/Mosin-Nagant-7-62x54R-Stripper-Clips/dp/B005DRV5ZO

>>33257144
gee thanks a million senpai

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>>33257080
>Is there anything that gives away if it's a rebuild or not?
They no longer look like Gew.98s; they have a different barrel profile, flat tangent-leaf rear sight, handguard that extends from the lower barrel band to the receiver ring, and Mauser 1890-style bayonet lug.
Pic related, my Turkish M98/37 rifle built on an ex-Gew.98 receiver. New Turkish-made barrel, sights, stock, barrel bands and bayonet lug.

>>33257224
DGAF poster here, that's pretty much identical to the one I'm looking at. Still DGAF, still considering.

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>>33257104
>smooth as silk for being a turk
Because you still have the matching bolt.

>>33257258
Do it anyway. You know you want a Kebab cannon.

>>33257224
Looks good regardless senpai, thanks for all the help.

>>33257299
>You know you want a Kebab cannon.
I do. I can admit that.

>got k31 from classic 3 weeks ago
>havent shot it yet
>just ordered a yugo m48 from kguns

help. how do I stop.

>>33257579
>Stop
Why would you want to?

>>33254213
rguns had them earlier in the week for $250 for the milled ones, I think the newer ones they have are stamped.

Mine looks nice besides the things that were missing, but I heard some people got the sight hood and cleaning rod, so it just depends. It came in a hard plastic case so there's at least that.

>>33257579
there is no stopping anon, you're here forever

>>33257843
>>33257922

I'd like to be able to afford a down payment on a house some day.

I don't even deserve surplus, I just throw my gats in shitty old closet with a bare wooden floor protected by nothing but a gun sock and some ballistol sprayed on the metal.

I also am impatient and impulsive so I don't bother with auctions, and end up only buying direct from dealers sight unseen and get luck of the draw/overpay because of that impatience.

I don't even know what I want in particular except when I see something in these threads I have to have that too.

tl;dr help. If you can't/won't help me stop this terrible addiction altogether at least steer me in a healthier direction. So far I have a pretty nice yugo SKS, an ok-ish swede m/96, an ok-ish K31 (got some minor rust on trigger guard/receiver/mag and the buttplate isn't totally flush with the stock), and the M48 on the way, what should I focus on next and how much should I pay?

>>33258145
Get a Mas 36 next.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/622467371

>>33258145
>build house out of Milsurp
>??????
>profit

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>>33258181
Why do you always shill the mas 36 ? I'm not pissy about it or anything I'm just curious... why?

>>33258239
Because it's a great gun and it's lots of fun. Also, it's the best bolt action infantry rifle in my opinion.

And a little bit because I am a hipster. Not gonna lie.

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>>33258239

He is being paid by ShareBleu for each post.

>>33258262
Honestly, I like the m1917 more but I can certainly see valid reasons to prefer the mas. I'm too tired to start a shitpost fight so instead I give you a goodnight

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>>33258310

>0.02 francs were deposited in your account

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>>33258321
The m1917 is great but it's too long and heavy. Top tier rifle in spite of that though.
>>33258334
Hon hon hon.

>>33258362
Is that one of those Chinese m1917s that they cut down?

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>>33258334
I wish someone would deposit some francs in my account. ;_;

>>33258362
I miss it everyday ;_;
>>33258379
Yes.

>>33258373
god those are just such ugly rifles.

I've bought more aesthetic power drills than that Jesus Christ.

>>33258419
We get it, you're sexually attracted to hair men. Whatever floats your boat chief.
>>33258403
>Yes
My oh my, I am jealous of NC. Well, more jealous.

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>>33258419
I disagree with all of that.

>>33258439
>>33258440
Enfields are far more aesthetic, hell I'll even say Mausers, mosins, and Garands look better.

Its stock especially looks bad. There's no sleek lines or anything, it's just fat and short and looks clunky as all hell.

Are Turkish Mausers any good? My LGS has one for $235 (dated 1935).

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>>33258439

Here, let me help you with that.

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>>33258479
The stock is much thinner than an Enfield or Mauser.

French girls > English girls.

>>33250808
>you think this is a fucking game, boi?

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I bought a beat-up SKS missing a lot of bluing on gunbroker for $300 expecting a camp gun that I wouldn't mind if it got messed up.
I accidentally got an early Norinco (2H333*) with all matching serials and a super bright & nice bore.
What do?

Also, wtf did they do to these bayonets that made them last fucking forever? Should have made the whole damn gun out of it.

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>>33259336
It's from factory 26, too.

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I'm going to a local pawn shop to look at a Rifle made by Remington in 1917. I've looked around google and it doesn't seem to resemble a M1917 Enfield at all or any other rifle I can find. I don't know what the hell it is because they didn't list the caliber. It's just a mishmash of numbers. This is the only picture I could get that isnt fucking shitty.

Might be able to get a Long Branch No 4 Mk 1 with a peep sight, "perfect" bore, and matching serials. Unsure on price, but if it's going for the same as another one he has, it's $450 (non US).
Even if I can just get a normal No 4 Mk 1 for $450, should I do it?

>>33258373
I think that if the 1917 had more time for refinements like the mas we'd be seeing more carbine versions like the Chinese did. Plus the weight helps whatever recoil but eh, not much to start

>>33259387
That's likely a Remington made mosin that got sporterized, considering the bent bolt handle

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>>33258495
>Are Turkish Mausers any good? My LGS has one for $235 (dated 1935).
They're fine. What model is it, and is it matching?
http://candrsenal.com/a-quick-and-dirty-guide-ottomanturkish-rifles/

>>33259846
>that guide

holy shit turkey that's a lot of variants.

>>33259837
Probably, short rifles did come into vogue after WW1. Probably see it lightened up in other places too.

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>>33260316
Johnny Turk never throws anything away.
>pic related, Mosin M91 converted to 8x57IS

>>33260494
True, plus I always saw the 1917 as a very nice medium. Mauser action strength, peep sights, cock on close, that and it somehow fits me well as opposed to my 1903 which is too short

I'm looking to get a milsurp rifle for my first gun as soon as I finish the course
Which one should I look at
>being cheap is my main concern

>>33261216
A nugget or a mauser of any kind

>>33261216
Define cheap, because milsurp isn't "cheap" anymore.

>>33261359
you can still find plenty of milsurp in the 200-500 range, if you actually look around.

>>33253443
Century models have a plastic butt plate. Either way, $700 is a fair price. Century didn't really "build" them, they assembled new old stock barreled actions and made new stocks for them. They are basically brand new rifles, but don't have that "historical value" jazz. Mine looks great and shoots great.

>>33261474
Yes, but that belies the cost of ownership, I.E. ammo. That is no longer cheap, at least by what most of /k/ would consider cheap.

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Eddystone 1917 is almost restored, once a correct handguard comes in. Before pic.

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>>33261515

Bubba apparently took the time to sand the little grip off of this stock, but for $25 for the stock, I'll live. Took this pic for a couple of my friends via Snapchat.

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>>33261546
Sporter stock had a pretty sweet bear carved in it.

>>33261509
I can get ammo for all of my surplus for essentially the came cpr as any other large calibre. I fail to see the issue.

If your argument is that you can't find shitty hungry corrosive crap anymore, well, I'll sell you mine. I'd rather not shoot that crap.

>>33261515
>>33261546
Very nice.

>>33261561

>there's an arisaka in good condition with a decent mum for 250
>it has a deer carved on it

be honest bros would it be worth?

>>33261359
Under 300
Under 200 optimally

>>33261854

>Under 300

Mausers, arisakas, fucked enfields, nagants

>under 200

nagants if you're lucky

>>33261883
Even fucked enfields really are not under 300, even fucked mausers are roughly 300

>>33261845
To me? That's the most id pay, and I'd have to be in love with it. I'd try for $200-$225

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>>33261883
>milsurp rifle
>Nagant

>>33261905

yeah I got a yugo mauser for 319 and that one had a completely fucked extractor and had cosmoline everywhere.

I figured if he lucked out he could get one for under 300 from a guy who didn't know mausers.

>>33262055
I'd say being covered in cosmoline was a plus

>>33261710
I don't shoot surplus ammo myself, and am trying to get rid of what I have in fact. I reload for everything. I was speaking about /k/ in general, who lament $0.50/rnd as expensive.
>>33261883
>Under $300
Maybe a Mosin 91/30. After taxes or transfer though it's gonna be damned close to $300.

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>>33250912
Mfw i created this meme.
It feels weird though, like a child i shat out is on display

Are Garands still a viable option in the 2017?

>>33263031
Define viable

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>>33263031
For milsurp? Yes.

My buddy wants to trade his matching Tula Mosin and a couple hundred rds of 54r for my Norinco SKS. Thoughts? I kinda want a Mosin and I only paid 250 for the SKS

>>33263119
Is your SKS a commercial NORINCO?

>>33263031

always viable for shooting.

would be cheaper if the USA would just import the fucking korean garands GOD DAMMIT

>>33263167
No it's a Norinco in the way that it was made for the chinese arsenal. No import marks. The serial number dates it at '64

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>>33253028
>>33253285
Hey niggers I'm back. Slight regret in the purchase I made.

>>33263276
Ah, verticle ejection. Something about tipping block rifles does that. My SKS and SVT both have the same issue.

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>>33254153
Does anyone know an answer to this?

>>33263296
Interesting. Any fixes/advice so I don't lose an eye next time?

>>33263276
>>33263344
Maybe wash your face more thoroughly when you shower; try some skin cream.

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Are antique Fug Nuggets safely operable with modern loads?

>>33254918
>Swiss wait for Greece to cross their border as not to violate NAP
>Greek army is cardboard cutouts as they can't afford people

Goys pls, will k98 sight hoods fit on m48s?

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>>33263390
Yes.

>>33263467
Yes.

>>33250585
Is it safe to rub down a stock with a rag soaked in mineral spirits or hoppes? Want to remove some of the cosmoline from my mosin but not fuck up the finish if I can help it.

>>33263502
Just use heat to liquefy the cosmoline, then wipe it off with a dry rag or paper towel.

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Can anyone tell me when this remington 1903a3 was made?

>>33263575
What does the date on the barrel behind the front sight say?

>>33263575
Either that or look it up in a directory. I had a 1903 that was from 1908 and all I did was plug in the serial number

>>33263327
I can't find any hard evidence for where its stowed. Chances are its int he haversack or in an empty ammo pouch. The entire kit fits into one cell.

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>>33257579
Same deal here.
K31 right into M48 just one paycheck apart. Now I'm winning an SKS on Gunbroker and I was only paid Wednesday. Fugg

>>33261905
My M48 was $250 + s&h. Brand new looking but absolutely smothered in cosmo

Anyone have any idea where a guy can pick up some 8x50 Lebel and a five round Berthier clip?

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So I got my profit sharing today and...well it was a tad more substantial than I anticipated. This leaves me in a bit of a pickle. Do I use buy a bunch of (relatively) cheap surplus, or a couple rare/esoteric guns?

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>>33264654
>Do I use buy a bunch of (relatively) cheap surplus, or a couple rare/esoteric guns?
You buy what you want most first. Only reason to buy a bunch of cheap 'surp is if you're actually getting it CHEAP, not "cheap by 2016" standards.

>>33264448
Yeah I guess so. Just me being a cunt but I just don't consider those collectible though with import marks and all

>>33264728
What I mean is, do I get a 91/38 Carcano and a RC 98k and a M39 and Etc, because I need those for my collection, or do I get that Belgian 1889 and a 1895 Lee Navy or a SA marked 1894 carbine? Quantity vs. Quality sort of thing.

Basically, I have $4000 to spend on surplus if I want to. If I don't I'll probably get a GTX 1080 Ti and a Ryzen.

>>33264357
Reeee

Where do people keep finding k31's

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>>33264928
Got mine at a gun Show last year.

Also it's hilarious that my phone thinks the next word after gun show should be "loophole". Samsung, you're fucking stupid.

>>33258181
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/622467371

>it's only 450 bucks

OH GOD I ALREADY BOUGHT 4 MILSURP THIS YEAR BUT I WANT THIS SO FUCKING BAD

>>33265019
Search your heart. You know you need the Mas. Soon milsurp will consume your soul. Every spare moment will be spent hunting milsurp. Your dreams will be those of what milsurp you do not yet have.

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How common are non-import marked M44 Mosins & do they sell for a premium price?

>>33265336
theres a fair amount of them. that being said Im willing to pay more for a non-marked example, but maybe $50 tops. and most collectors I know do not give half a shit one way or another.

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>tfw I cant find any milsurp that isnt outrageously over priced and my allocated gun money pile keeps growing

I have mixed feels about this

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M-48 Yugoslavian Mauser.

First gun and first milsurp, she's fucking beautiful.

>>33265692
I should have bought one of those when they were like $200 a couple of years ago

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>>33265697
I payed $300 for this example. Depending on where you look you can find good deals, mine has all matching parts and still fairly cheap.

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>>33264928
Classic every now and then, other than that spread em for Gunbroker and Simpson

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Picked up some 7.65 browning today for this. It's a lot of fun to shoot for a maus gun.

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>>33264914
Import mark on mine is on the underside of the front of barrel. It's covered up by the cleaning rod and hardly noticeable

>>33265808
>buy a gun
>shoot it that day

deng. I stock piles guns and ammo and probably go shooting every other year

>>33263385
I'll be sure to remember that next time I have an incomplete feed go off in my face.

>>33264220
Yeah, but only three clips of 7.62 isn't really much to go on, and since they were only issued the one dual cell pouch, I'd think they would have the full six in it

>>33266158
you're exacerbating your autism

>>33266180
At least he's wearing pants.

Anyone ever replace the front sight on a 1903? I seen two different barrel types, ones milled out like an H and one with the key directly milled into the barrel. Not sure if the sight itself differs though.

>>33266248
Why are you wanting to replace it?

>>33266148
Hey I just shot my type 38 now that you remind me, I had some questions in regards to the cartridges

>>33266266
It was an ex drill rifle. Theres just a collar left. They filed the dovetail off.

Just in case people weren't aware


Sriesel action at its prime folks. Repro nambu lanyard sold as VERY SCARE ORIGINAL

Fucking morons who don't know better actually bought it to.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-JAPANESE-TYPE-14-NAMBU-PISTOL-LANYARD-ORIGINAL-VERY-SCARCE-/311807264434?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=IZvytjUDir3ocVZhPzzrn1BDYo8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

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>>33266350
>I had some questions in regards to the cartridges
And they are?

Those pics are of Type 99s though...

>>33266512
hey you actually got the dogtag the right way

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>>33266540
I do in that pic. It was just a brain far when I made this pic. Well probably redo it sometime.

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>>33266357
Then you need a new collar.

>>33266587
I'm aware. Thats why i asked if there was a difference between barrel styles and front sights. My barrel looks like the one if your pic related. I haven't seen any barrel floating around like that, criterion barrels even have the milled H. I'm just trying to find out if theres any function difference or i can just bang any front sight onto it.

bought an ag-42.

Its in the mail. cant wait

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>>33266567
I fix

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>>33266652
Congrats. Hope you keep all your fingers.

>>33266646
Looking online they are different.

>>33266700
>Hope you keep all your fingers.
?

>>33250585
shot some romanian 8mm surplus through my k98 today. Out of 35 rounds, I found 2 casings that were ruptured; The neck was split on both. I've never had this happen before with turk ammo or the other romanian ammo in the batch, so I don't think its a headspacing issue. Is surplus ammo known to fuck up like that?

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>>33266717
The action is pretty forceful, if you have your fingers in there it will hurt, a lot. If you aren't an idiot nothing will happen. It's probably best to put it on safe before loading it.

>>33266652
What did you end up paying? What sort of condition is it in?

>>33266748
I've seen Turk 8mm do it, but it's usually do to the age of the casing and brittleness of the neck

>>33266852
$1000 it looks really clean from everything ive seen

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>>33266748
>Is surplus ammo known to fuck up like that?
Yes. Brass becomes less ductile as it ages, and surface corrosion weakens it as well.

>>33266717
If you fuck up reloading it will fuck your fingers/thumb up bad.

>>33263296
>>33263385
Hey >>33263276 here.
Was at the gun shop getting a refund. That was from a round that fired while the bolt wasn't completely closed. Those are from pieces of the cartage methinks. Sheared the rod that sits in the back of the bolt clean off the firing pin (was rattling around in the action), bent the dust cover out a ways and cracked the receiver. Anybody here know about 49's having feeding issues or r firing with a partially open bolt?

>>33266946
Oh that's what happened? I thought you just got hit in the face with shells during ejection. I've never heard of anything like what youre describing.

>>33266965
Yep. Three rounds in, no problem with the first, but the second was when the malfunction occurred. Wish I had a picture of the cartridge for you, but I already I took the gun back to the dealer. He called the previous owner, that guy said he never had issues like what I described either. Got a full refund though. Guess I just got lucky in both extremes.

In other news my hunt for an 8mm resumes.

>>33266512
I was finding that while firing it, the recoil was quite small, the rounds didn't do much either for being a full rifle round. The other thing I noticed was the primers bulging out after firing. If you want, I can give a picture

>>33266946
Was decent of them to give you a refund. Im sure a fudd would have laughed in my face and said no refunds

What should i get first for a us rifle? From a quick glance it looks like everything is 1k+
1917s are cool, but i think 1903 are more iconic. But should it be a 1903 or an A3? Fuck garands manual action only

>>33267106
k r a g
r
a
g

>>33267074
FNGS in question is small time in a small town. I bought the rifle from him the same day, he took the previous owner's word for it that it was good. Didn't check it himself. However, I can still see out of my left eye so no harm no foul I suppose.

has anyone actually got a krag?

>>33266912
Prices are indeed going up. Paid about 791 shipped for my Hakim a couple months back.

>yugo sks
>m/96
>k31
>M48

what next? Should I go big and get a nice arisaka or a k98? or maybe get an enfield or another cheaper mauser?

>>33267147
Shit man, i totally forgot abot krag.
Maybe, im not sure how i feel about rotary mags yet.

How hard is it yo find a bayonet for them. Only rifle i wont get a bayonet for is my m39, i dont think they really exist in the us.

Are gun prices actually cheaper in the south?

>>33267065
That's pretty typical for them. One the 6.5 round is pretty light in general and the commercial ammo makers tend to load them even lighter which bulges the primers.

>>33267194
I would say milsurp is more plentiful, at least.

>>33267210
Alright, that makes sense. Don't want to damage the rifles, but it's kinda weird when it barely puts a dent in mild steel where a 54R will punch right through it and dent the mild steel behind it.

>>33267172
Yeah no kidding. Im just getting back into guns after essentially being drunk for 5 years and kind of giving up on life and im dumbfounded how expensive shit has gotten since I last checked

>>33267181
get an enfield and enjoy the interesting cock on close action.

>>33254416
heat gun for both wood and metal

>>33267260
What are you using? The Graf ammo that is a soft point?

>>33257224
how are the Roach-made barrels? did Mauser set up machines for them or something?

>>33267311
but he has an m96

>>33267409
It's precision cartridge inc.

>>33258269
>>33258284
>>33258299
>>33258309
>>33258334
>>33258344
>>33258354
would it be sacrilege if i stripped the black grill paint off my mosin and re-blued the whole thing? i already redid the stock with linseed and creosote oil and it looks pretty nice

>>33267464
No, you already rekt it. Finish it off

>>33259336
>super bright & nice bore.
chrome plated
>What do?
fucking shoot it you fagit

i have a Sino-Soviet Type 56 from Factory 26 as well. stock is in bad shape but the rifle is tight

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>>33267464
>Redid the stock
>Looks nice

Bubba pls

>>33260665
>8mm Mosin Nagant
fukkin schweet

>>33260665
Huh, Well now I know where TotalBiscuit's ancestry lies.

>>33263031
viable as in will it still kill Japanese people? yes

>>33267520
In all fairness all mosins were linseed oiled during both wars and before being shelllac'd for storage. Finn mosins even got a taste of birch/pine tar.

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>>33267420
>how are the Roach-made barrels?
Fine.
>did Mauser set up machines for them or something?
No, it was actually CZ-Brno which sold them a TON of spare parts and used rifles in the 1920s as well as technical packages and also helped to set up their domestic rifle production at Kirikkale (before being annexed by Germany).

>>33267634
Russians started using shellac as a final finish in 1943. They were churning them out so fast that the shellac was sometimes not dry during final assembly and gummed up in the barrel bands. Pine tar in Finnish Mosins is fuddlore that will not die.

>>33267634
You're wrong on both accounts. NC can probably correct you better than I can.

>>33267106
1895 Winchester Lee Navy.

>>33267654
>Pine tar in Finnish Mosins is fuddlore

You're right. It was Birch tar mixed with linseed oil and turpentine.

Unless you have another theory what the smokey tar substance is that contradicts the experts.

>>33267658
lol

>>33267181
Mas 36.
>>33267185
Krag is not rotary.

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>>33267485
>>33267520
id say it looks pretty nice

>>33267654
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?226756-Observations-on-Finnish-rifle-stock-oil-quot-Kiv%E4%E4rintukki%F6ljy-quot

>>33267686
>Mas 36.

Go away Philippe

>>33267686
You sure? What am i thinking of then

>>33267683
>>33267718
So the experts concluded: no pine-tar in Rifle Stock Oil.

>>33259660
Bumping for answer

>>33267843
Hence the birch tar.

>>33267708
It doesn't matter what it looks like, your cheeto caked bubba hands fucked it over

>>33267792
Maybe a Greek Mannlicher Shoenauer.
>>33267741
You cannot deny the greatest infantry rifle.
>>33267939
Yes, that is a fair price.

>>33267996
There's no proof of that either.

>>33268072
the russians fucked it over when they force matched all the parts and slathered the stock in shellac

>>33268104
You must be blind or unable to do further research on your own.

That link was from 2011. There has been plenty more research into the subject.

>>33268185
Yes, the Finns say it's BLO with a varnish.

>>33268426
Do you even know what a varnish is?
Usually a tree resin, like birch or pine tar, dissolved in turpentine.
Finnish and Russian turpentine was not particularly pure and contained amounts of pine tar as well, especially during the war years.

>>33268426
var·nish

noun
1.
resin dissolved in a liquid for applying on wood, metal, or other materials to form a hard, clear, shiny surface when dry.
Guess what pine and birch tar are made of. Hint: it rhymes with Esin.

Pine tar in particular is easy, you take the resin and heat it up to burn off any turpentine.


But please define "Finns" If the Finnish armory has bottles of Kiväärintukkiöljy for use on stocks, and that word i cannot into pronouncing contains Linseed oil, Turpentine(or naptha), and "Varnish" that smells smokey (Like birch!) (and turpentine at the time was less then stellar in Finland and contained pine tar by accident)

The makers of Kiväärintukkiöljy refuse to give the ingredients of what its made of, their "varnish" is a trade secret, or so they act.
Now i'm not saying there weren't other finishes used. It was whatever they had on hand with BLO being the most common

>>33268487
>>33268526
Again, the myth of the pine tar used on Finnish stocks has been disproven for years.

There are ton of varnishes and lacquers.

>>33268526
You also sound a lot like that DeanDallas bubba who has a vested interest in Pine Tar (TM) being used on Finn stocks because he refinished and sold a ton with pine tar finishes.

>>33268605
So you're saying instead of using the natural resins of their country the Finns decided to import exotic varnishes? They then used pharmaceutical grade turpentine, likely also imported, to dissolve it?

It's known they used linseed oil, it's also known they used turpentine which because of production standards and intended use also would contain things like pine tar. They may have used additional pine tar/birch tar, no sources have a consensus and nobody has stepped forward with a GCMS reading or original recipe.

>>33268664
There are lots of varnishes, and I'm sure there are a lot of them in Finland or easily importable in the 1940s by Finland that didn't require silly pine tar. There is zero proof they used pine tar. It was just some dumbass supposition that bubbas took to heart.

>>33268737
Pine based varnish had been the most common varnish for at least the previous 500 years. Cheap and readily available even to ta country with limited industrial capability nd funds.
Even if the did not add more to the mix it was still used as it was present in their turpentine, it's one of those constituents that gets distilled out during purification to better grades. They were not about ot start making artisit or better grades of turpentine simply for industrial use.

>>33268807
>Even if the did not add more to the mix it was still used as it was present in their turpentine, it's one of those constituents that gets distilled out during purification to better grades.
I eat a delicious Reuben sandwich. My body breaks it down and I release the broken down Reuben sandwich from my colon the next day. Is it still a delicious Reuben sandwich or is it shit?

Just because they turned pine tar into turpentine doesn't mean they used pine tar on the rifle stocks.

>They were not about ot start making artisit or better grades of turpentine simply for industrial use.
And why not?

Should I get an inland m1? Anyone own one that can tell me if they are worth the money? My other option is a k98k, but I'm split between the two.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?429225-So-what-to-use-on-Finn-M39-brand-new-stock&p=4047385#post4047385
>The original recipe used during the Continuation War was consisted of 95 parts of boiled linseed oil (probably with added manganese borate as a dryer), 5 parts of bitumen (also known as asphaltum or gilsonite) and enough pine turpentine to dissolve the bitumen. The mixture was heated to 70 centigrade before use. The oldest reference I would find for using asphaltum as a wood stain was on a book printed in 1868.

>>33268847

really depends on what you're looking for in a rifle:

want:
>semi-auto
>low recoil
>high mag capacity
>easy to find ammunition
>light/compact
>okay with harder maintenance relative to a bolt action

go for the m1 carbine

want:
>heavier round
>like bolt action rifles
>extremely reliable
>easy to maintain
>great long range capacity
>okay with harder or more expensive ammo

then go k98k

honestly either rifle will do you quite well. it mostly comes down to whether you prefer a semi-auto to a bolt action and the pros and cons those incur along with the ammunition.

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>>33268833
You should test this theory with turpentine instead of a sandwich since we're talking about a wartime economy and not a fat amaerilard

>>33268871
i'm not seeing a source. just a Finnish screencap of some document. Highly unlikely they used bitumen as we know it. Though if its just a translation/new meaning error bitumen could also be pitch or tar. which would probably be birch based...

Im in the process of getting a m1 garand. Did I fuck up picking this to be my first rifle I bought?

>>33268112
Kys bubba. Ivan knew that rifle better than you ever will.

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Gonna put an archangel on this bad boy

>>33269186
>Ivan knew that rifle better than you ever will.
even if that statement meant anything, all the original historical significance was removed when they mixed the parts up, coated it in grill paint, force matched new parts, and slathered cheap Russian shellac on the wood

that being said, hot blue or rust blue?

>>33269233
you should cut the barrel down, trill and tap for a scope mount, and bend the bolt as well
only then could you hope to be able to hit a durr

>>33267172
damn Hakim's are that much? There's a guy trying to sell one for $550 nearby but I had no interest in it so I ignored it.

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>>33269057
I wouldn't think so, as long as you've done your research. For example, you'd better know not to use anything not M2 Ball spec (150 grain bullet @ ~2700 FPS) without an aftermarket gas plug.

Recoil on a Garand is pretty mild for a full-size rifle cartridge, so I don't really see you developing a flinch or anything.

I suppose one problem you might have is that the ammo is not cheap (~75cpr) and that affects how much you can shoot. I can't really speak, since my No 4 was my first gun, and that's about the same per shot. Reloading helps bring that down, though.

Are you getting it from the CMP?

>>33267158
I've got 2. What would you like to know?

>>33266916
not him but romanian 8mm surplus is laquer coated steel, not brass

>>33265000
>Also it's hilarious that my phone thinks the next word after gun show should be "loophole". Samsung, you're fucking stupid.

>implying that isnt mind programming by design

i dont think you millenial niggers realize how deep the subversion goes

>>33264915
if this was 2005 i would say get 3 20-gun-crates of mosins and 10k rds of russian lightball

>>33269471
Well honestly I didnt do much research at all since I was going in to buy a lever action and saw it there at the local gun store in my town. The stock is nowhere near as nice as the one in your photo. Ammo isnt too much of a problem since i wont shoot it very often. Just saw it and thought thats the gun I need to start off my collection with. Im barely getting into guns and started browsing /k/ to learn a few things.

>>33269622
First, I'm probably older than you Millenial. Second, my phones name is Guns Beer Freedom. It will learn what I make it learn.
>>33269635
And if it was 2005 I'd be poor and still in the Marines.

Well gentlemen, I'm off to a gun show. Wish me luck.

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>>33268847
flip a coin, you wont regret either.

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>>33264928
Teehee, paid 299 for mine last year

>>33269423
Depends on condition, but yeah 600-800 is common.

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>>33266158
Here's a better picture of my beat to shit Type 56
>Second production run Sino Soviet
>Partially matching
>No factory stamp
>Covered in more cosmoline than my Mosin was when I bought it at my LGS
>Stock has what appears to be the letters "ASN" scratched into the wood
>Can only assume that it saw combat
It just works.

>>33270403
If you find a nice Swedish m38 or m96 be sure to give it a good home. Bubbas attack those at a far higher rate than moons and they are far fewer in number

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wtf I hate Illinois

>>33271070
What did you buy

>>33271104
Nothing because they wouldnt ship it. Was some gun bluing stuff though

>>33271070
Yea dude. Illinois is the California of the Midwest. A corrupt blue stain on a glorious quilt of constitution loving freedom.

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Which way are the leather parts on this sling supposed to attach? The smooth side facing out, or the rough/fuzzy side facing out?

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Any love for /K/rags lads?

>>33271717
Smooth facing out.

>>33270784
My "Sino-Soviet" (letter serial) >>33259336 is even more beat to shit, but all matching (even the stock)
from factory 26, so there's that.
What combat would a Chinese SKS even have seen? Pretty sure all the rifles they sent to Vietnam stayed there unless they were captured.

>>33271420
>>33271420

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I need this. Does anyone know where I can find one?

>>33271726
If I could find ammo for it.

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>>33271726

>>33272376
As if we needed another reason to hate remington... They may do a seasonal run in the fall.

I think Graff is making brass. I'm actually selling the factory ammo I have and buying more brass / reloading components.

>>33272695
*Graf

>>33250808
>delet this

>>33255394
www.garandgear.com/cnr_ffl_03

>>33272809
>Lösh das

>>33257007
If it works for the Armo Fedayi, it works for me.

>>33267660
I know someone who has one actually.

>>33271117
>>33271070
how do people buy thermometers there? or car batteries

>>33274670
like everyone else does. I assume this was banned because it was gun related

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>>33271726
I have .32 ACP adapters for mine

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>>33275147
>Shooting a caliber that wasn't the original configuration
Hearsay.

Also bump limit.

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>>33275509
>bump
You literally cant.

>>33275539
watch me
>>33275535