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Im thinking about getting a Black sun tattoo, but I also want to enlist. Should I wait until after?

>>33243694
How old would be considered too old to join the military. particularly the Marines? Is 21 too old?

>>33244104
34

>>33244104
I would think 21 is perfect, desu. you've had real world adult exposure and actually have a clue of your own desires, character, and personality, in comparison to the 18 year old high school graduate scribbling the beginning of his adult life away on a contract. I'm 21 and am *highly* considering joining.
and no shitty, careless njp or ARI for underage drinking.

>>33244104
I believe under current regulations anything over 29 requires a waiver with 34 the absolute cutoff.

21 is fine, it's when I enlisted and I was right in the middle of the age spectrum for my class.

>>33244064
I would wait.

>>33244064
Yeah just wait.
Also specific branches have different standards on tattoos.

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>>33244104
Just signed my final paperwork and took the oath today. I'm 24.

>>33244064
yes get it now and prove how big of a retard you are

>>33244171
Why the fuck are you on the internet instead of out enjoying your last few hours/days of civiliandom?

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If you aint infantry, you aint shit.

>>33244171
If you're Army, just 'member that the Army run phase-1 training suuucccckksss and it doesn't represent how the field or training is. It basically exists to weed out idiots (I saw guys actually drop out there when it dawned on them they'd have to touch live explosives as part of the job). So just remember and buck up when you're out there doing stupid Army Shit.

Eglin is fucking worth it desu. Have fun on the weekends because it's a great town, but never get too cocky 'bout the training when it's on time- you can always fail even up to the end if you lose focus.

Don't argue with instructors. Phase 1 and Eglin may teach you slightly different things. Instead of spending time being "that guy" who wants to argue some dumb ass point, just accept what you're told at your particular phase.

>decided to go see the Marine's recruiters
>go through basic questions and do pre-test
>get decent score and they they sit me down for more questions
>recruiter asks if I ever smoked pot
>I hesitate
>he asks me how many times I've smoked in my life
>"oh I don't know, I couldn't even coun-"
>The recruiter holds up three fingers
>"Uhhh, three times... I only smoked three times"
> Recruiter says,"for now on, that will always be your answer"
>we both nod and he continues with the other questions

These are the real life lessons the military teaches you

>>33244266
Is Phase 1 still at Redstone?

If so, Redstone is cash. I was a 55b/89b (ammo specialist) and the EOD guys did their first ~5 weeks with us before moving.

>>33244329
I did it a long time ago. I went through Redstone.

I don't know what you mean by "cash", shit sucked. Still getting treated as full retard by DIs who were literally dumber than us, barracks LITERALLY with black mold and asbestos in them getting people sick, stupid ass shit like carrying around full LBE every goddamn where.

It was very retarded. Eglin started treating everybody like people and the training was actually informational, not retard weeding.

>>33244375
Wow. I did it summer of '05.
The drills pretty much left us the fuck alone, they made sure everyone was up in the morning and found a victim to run morning PT. Then they sent us off to chow and we didn't see them again until closeout formation for 10 minutes, then one sat at the staff duty desk all night attempting to and failing miserably at keeping the sluts from sneaking over to the Marine barracks across the road.

Yeah the barracks were old as fuck but absolutely reeked of bleach, not a speck of mold to be seen anywhere.

We were basically in PT's or BDU pants and undershirt all the time, I wore my BDU blouse for going to the chow hall and graduation only.

We did have to carry a pistol belt with 1 canteen and our poncho stuck to the back with blousing bands in cantonment but that shit went over the backs of our chairs the second we hit the school house.

Our instructors were not DS's and were chill as shit, especially the demolitions instructor who was a Marine SSG that didn't know what the fuck to do with Army guys.

Our AIT was really really fucking short so we crammed a lot of learning in to it by cutting out all the bullshit. I actually had more freedom in AIT than I did for the first few months of permanent party.

The only things that "sucked" were the shitload of warrants there for WOFT (you basically had your right hand glued to your PC if you were within 300m of the DFAC) and the afternoon thunderstorms you could set your watch by.

>>33244463
Yeah, they moved to DS when I went in 06. Trail hats and all. Really honestly, the random stupid shit we put up from the was more irritating than anything else.

It's a shitty situation when some mouther breather with a room temperature IQ is asking you the answers to some shit you have nothing to do with.

I am also having Eglin as a comparison to Redstone in my memories. And as I said, Eglin was fucking cashtronomical in terms of fun.

I have a scholarship to school for Computer Engineering, but that is not what I want to do for the rest of my life. I feel called to the military but I don't believe in any of the fighting we are doing right now. I honestly don't know what to do. I was thinking of going into the navy as an electricians mate, travelling around on a boat going to different countries, but being on a boat for months at a time sounds cramped and undesirable. I also was thinking of doing carpentry/masonry specialist in the army, so I wouldn't have to kill anyone, and I could not be on a boat for so long. I am in good shape(21 deadhang pullups in a row last time I checked, could have only gone up) and get very good grades. I have no real opposition to killing true enemies of our state but I just don't see a bunch of brown cultists in the desert thousands miles away from me as my enemy, I just see them as deranged brown cultists whom I hope get better lives soon. I am really conflicted, but I sure as hell don't want to go to college and waste more of my time doing academic shit I hate. The military seems like a good way for me to get some experience for a few years and then have enough money to rent an apartment on the east coast and join a union. What should I do?

>>33244514
That seems really shitty.

I guess I got a good class then, there were only 22 of us in my "platoon" and we were all pretty up on things. No shenanigans other than one of the females repeatedly getting caught with Marine dick in her, everyone was smart-enough for the course (55b/89b doesn't require stellar levels of intelligence), and we didn't have any PT nonstarters. We were *supposed* to go in phases and get additional privileges as we went but the drills basically went "you're only here for 11 weeks, we dgaf, don't fuck up". This was also slightly before the widespread prevalence of smartphones and it's not like Redstone has base-wide wifi so most of us either chilled at the coffee shop by the PX or went to the gym since Huntsville is like 35 minutes away by cab and there's no public transportation off post.

>>33244565
The carpentry/masonry specialists in the Army do 2 things:
1. Drive buses around the various military posts then drink themselves into a stupor because they have no peacetime mission
2. Get sent to the Middle East to build schools for ungrateful shits to blow up in a week while getting shot at, then rotate back to the US and do option 1.

Ever considered the Coast Guard?

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Just started signing paperwork at my recruiters office to become a 13F. How much did I fuck up?

Should I be a FISTER in a Stryker Brigade or Airborne Unit?

>>33244575
They pulled the same "phase up" shit with us that never materialized. We probably went the the PX about 1/4 of the times they said we would because right as they'd get us in a formation to release us on a free day all the sudden a surprise drug test, or a lock down because somebody was stupid somewhere, or a penis inspect or some shit.

I think I went off post once to the shitty mall out there and it was such a dumpster fire I never even cared about going again.

Why do Marines look down on people who aren't fellow Jarheads, especially people from other branches?

>>33244619
That's...pretty much the opposite of what happened with us. We were "blue phase" from the word go, electronics and off-post privileges and all.

Yeah that mall was horrible. I went once, drank myself sick on Orange Julius from the kiosk, bought a portable DVD player and some jeans, and never went back.

The thing that pissed me off, and this isn't Redstone's fault, is...
>everybody gets to fill out a list of 3 places they wanna go and 3 places they really really really don't wanna go
>top 3 in any given class are supposed to get one of their first choices
>high honor graduate with perfect scores (not a huge accomplishment there but w/e)
>Korea is paying a $350/mo incentive bonus to go
>list Korea, Lewis, and Carson as my top 3 and list Drum, Bragg, and Benning as my hell-no's
>get sent to Bragg
>get sent to an *airborne* unit at Bragg, which is supposed to be volunteer-only and supposed to require graduating airborne school
I got voluntold for airborne school before I was even out of Reception at Bragg.

>>33244618
You don't get a choice. You'll go be a fister wherever they need something fisted.

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Okay so I'm currently National Guard 11B, and I want to go active and try out for 18X. My question is: I had to get a waiver for ADHD medicine I used to take in high school before I was able to enlist in the NG (I haven't taken it in 6+ years). I'm just wondering if that will affect me getting into SF? I've heard mixed stories on the internet, like one source saying that Airborne school forbids people who have ever taken mental health drugs like ADHD meds. Any truth to this?

>>33244606
Not him what but what about 12T - Techinical Engineer? Seems like a decent job for someone getting into construction, with the surveying and drafting, do they get to do their job often in the Army?

>>33244648
They're brainwashed into thinking they're something special.

Bump for Air Force.

>>33244693
Let's put it this way--I spent 4 years in an engineer brigade and I've literally never even heard of them.

What language is in the most need for interpreters/translators right now in the army?

>>33244720
I guess I'll take that as they do their job a lot, thank you anon.

>>33244904
Arabic, Spanish is in demand for Central and South America for FID work

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Debate this.

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Anyone done AFROTC?

Pic unrelated

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Anyone go into any sort of linguistic field? Looking at the Army and the only MOS offering language training I could find on the website was 35P. Any anons take that? Is it boring meme desk job? Is there any language related MOS I'm missing?

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>>33243694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-VVnhwB4Gw&index=27&list=RDCIqh9Hj1Z8o
i didnt know you bois got boots on the ground

>>33244171
Navy EOD is only real EOD.

>>33245366
WTF is lois supposed to be?
You are right about the others, especially because Hal actor molested Dewey actor IRL.

>>33245749
Costa Rica

>>33245661

There are only a small handful of language jobs in the military. Cryptolinguist (35P in the Army, other designators in other branches) is the largest language-dependent field by far.

The day-to-day of the job depends on where you end up. Cryptolinguists fill billets everywhere from high-speed SOF units to the most office-bound strategic units. A lot of linguists honestly enjoy being in strat a lot more than being tactical.

Will MEPs find out if I went to a Physiologist once because my parents took me? One time thing. Doc said I was completely fine.

>>33246199
Extremely unlikely unless you have tricare or people squeal during interviews if you get a TS clearance.

>>33246199
Nah. MEPS doesn't have access to your medical records.

>>33246167
Hmmm thanks for the info man. I'll be sure to ask about 35P when I go to the recruiter.

>>33246218
What about a standard security clearance like that of field artillery?

>>33246305
Secret clearance rarely/never get intervies

>>33245693
We will see man. Hope I make it through schooling.

How hard is it to find a language billet with a non-language MOS/AFSC/Rate? I'd like to draw that sweet, sweet language pay but I don't necessary want to be doing linguistics my entire career.

Hey lads, ship out the 21st of this month. I got the 11x option 40. I'm kind of out of shape. What are the odds 14 weeks of OSUT and Airborne school can get me ready for RASP? I'm a manlet so muscle mass is easier to get.

>>33247786

OSUT will help you pass an APFT. It won't get you in shape for RASP.

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Join ADF next year, almost at a good place physically after 8 months training so far. I'm 36, IDGAF about age, I will be a rifleman.

Would the National Guard be the best way to go if I want to go to college and have tuition assistance?

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>oh shit it looks like whoever the next president is might actually have to send troops to Syria
>man I can't miss this, better enlist now
>four speeding tickets, sergeant says that shouldn't be an issue, right?
>two months
>waiver denied
>two months
>waiver denied
>two months
>waiver denied

I swear to fucking god if we're already done by the time I'm out of training I will be very upset.

>>33249540
What branch?

>>33249545
Army.

>>33249565
I doubt there would be a full scale invasion of Syria any time soon, especially since the worst of the war is over. Although Trump sent 400 Marines to help the ""good"" rebels retake some city, I can't imagine there being anything more.

If you want to join go ahead, but don't expect any big wars any time soon.

Is there a difference between Army and Navy EOD? Like what can I imagine to expect in blond branch compared to the other?

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>>33249598
Not to get too /pol/itical but I think Trump's leadership style requires at least some consistent external threat for an ideological footing. That's just a universal part of nationalist leaning governments.

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>>33249655
I mean sheeeit.

>>33249655
Being in Afghanistan right now is boring as shit because barely anything ever happens. If this was 10 years ago when there was a lot more fighting, I could understand.

>>33249658

But like I said, the worst of the war is over and more troops will be needed after most of the fighting is over so they can stablize the country and prevent a terrorist group from taking over the country. It just looks like more peacekeeping bullshit to me.

>>33249653
Navy eod is more hardcore and requires the same physical standard as a seal

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>>33249709
Oh absolutely, a couple thousand assholes with AKs and toyotas isn't really a grand adversary for the entire US military. But as long as there are deployments to the sandbox, I want in.

Is there any reason to continue going to college for a degree and then enlisting if one does not want to be an officer? Too late for ROTC.

>>33250436
If you intend to just use the GI bill when you're out again, yeah, just go ahead and enlist.

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Say that I had no other option. As a last resort, would it be better to go Army or Marines?

>>33250443
I have 3 semesters finished so far and my tuition is 30k a year yet I want to transfer. Parents are on my arse about staying for degree but being an officer doesn't interest me. Do different branches offer anything on federal student loan repayments?

>>33250510
Army is easier and you'll advance quicker which means better pay. Marines are more prestigious

>>33250624

http://www.benefits.va.gov/gibill/comparison_tool.asp

Study up, my dude.

>>33250624
Tuition assistance, GI bill, and if those two aren't enough for you when you have a government job you can pay back 10% of your monthly DISPOSABLE income (not 10% of your total income) and your federal loans will be forgiven in ten years

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>>33243694
Always wanted to join the military but went to college instead. I'm in year two of mechanical engineering.

What do you guys think about enlisting in the Navy for four years after college? I want to be a machinist mate on submarines.

what's it like living on an aircraft carrier?

>>33249653
Both branches do the same core training course. About 9 months to a year. Navy guys after that do a dive course.

Navy EOD is a lot more focused on expedient support during deployment. That means they do a lot of mark & bypass missions and act as integrated demolitions for supplying breaching charges and such.

Army support is a lot more varied. You have conventional units that go a on a whole host of conventional missions, as well as certain units that will be dedicated to certain asymmetric support. This is also how USMC EOD operates.

Post-EOD course training in garrison, you see Navy having a lot more focus on shooting courses and expedient bypass courses, while Army units usually focus a lot more on complex anti-IED and ordnance identification and non-destructive defeat. Since the Army is larger, there are also certain specialized EOD units within it including a CBRNE/NBC specialist unit that exclusively acts to take over any major incident in that realm. There are VIP support only units. There are also units that exclusively do Army SF support.

There is overlap, so as to say that a standard Navy guy is going to do some of the advanced IED/ordnance/evidence collection courses and a standard Army guy will do some shooting courses.

From personal experience, older Navy EOD guys can be very excellent, but some of the newer crop who grew up doing nothing but mark & bypass missions are pretty disappointing when it comes to basic EOD skills, since they tend to think of themselves more as SEAL-lite demo guys.

USMC is usually a pretty good mix. They tend to be uniformly more mature since they need to be NCOs to apply for EOD, and they always bring some kind of prior MOS knowledge to the table.

AF is AF.

>>33245749
>Hal actor molested Dewey actor IRL
fuck you no he didn't. you are a piece of shit wo is tarnishing bryan cranston's good name and I hope you are ashamed of yourself.

>>33251203
Go for it dude, but there's plenty of good work for enlisted machinists.

Whats the best branch for intel

>>33251574
Afterwards I would like to go back to college and do a post grad, but I can do that at any stage of my life. I feel like being a machinist mate would actually be a good career move long term.

>>33243684

So I'm graduating from college in May. I've decided I want to do military when I graduate, probably Army.

I talked to a recruiter, and he seemed really insistent on talking me out of applying for OCS, and just enlisting. Is he just trying to sell me?
To be honest, I've thought that enlisting might be better anyway, as I'm not much of a leader, and have no desire for that much responsibility.

However, lots of people have told me that it would be a waste to join with a degree and not go officer. I'm not really convinced, but what are /k/ vets' opinions?

For context, what I'm looking for is camaraderie, the military life, weapons/survival training, serving the country, etc. While also hoping for financial help towards grad school. What I don't want is to be behind a desk, which I've heard is most of what being an officer is like.
As far as MOS goes, I'm looking at 35M, 11B, or 19D.

Anybody got any advice?

Question when do you receive your rank patch for your uniform while in basic, going in as an e3 army just curious

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>>33252358
Way near the end. Make sure your drill sergeants know you are an e3 they will treat you better.

>>33253383
>Make sure your drill sergeants know you are an e3 they will treat you better.
Is this sarcasm?

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By earning the rank of Warhawk in Air Force BMT, what does the trainee gain?

>>33253393
No.

DIs rely on feedback and personal information about you.

>>33253421
Holy shit Air Force.

>>33251764
Stop being a retard and go for the officer desk job.

>>33251574
Machinists mates are not machinists. Machinery Repairmen are machinists.

>>33253435
I know, it's pretty silly.

>>33253421
Good boy points that they can trade in for tendies.

Can anybody tell me more about EOD and what their average day is when not deployed?
Also how different is AF EOD?

>>33254341
When you're not deployed, if your unit isn't otherwise earmarked for specific SOF support, upcoming training, or something else you will have one team on response duty.

The response team is supposed to be able to respond 24/7 (and you will get 2am calls) to police support. Response teams are responsible for having the truck (usually a black SUV and optional robot trailer) and gear ready.

If you aren't on response there is a decent chance you might get snagged to go temporary assignment to do plain clothes security for political events.

Otherwise, you do a lot of training. Junior team members focus on maintaining, setting up, and breaking down gear. Senior team members are constantly getting pushed to certify as team leaders (a long process). You usually have weekly ordnance learning assignments. Beyond that, pretty much everybody in the unit has a secondary job (I did physical security of classified material in my first unit, for example).

You tack on the normal Bi-weekly refreshers in standard Army training skills and that's about it.

My first unit grilled out in civilian clothes every friday. My second unit would pop beers at Friday closing hour. Third unit was in Ft. Bragg which was a no fun zone.

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>>33254469
You're EOD that's badass, how do you like the MOS?

What do EOD Officers (89E) do? I'm going to do ROTC and if that get's awarded to me I might select it..

>>33254660
I was during the height of the GWOT.

EOD officers firstly get fast tracked through team leader certification. We need you all to be team leader certified to have authority to review mission reports, as well as to have authority on an incident scene (on a scene the ranking team leader has control, so it would be awkward but necessary for an NCO TL to have to shut down a non-cert'd EOD officer).

You all do the normal officer office work organization things and go through OERs and officer specific training.

Garrison you can jump on to plain clothes missions or response missions if you aren't otherwise engaged. It's really accepted in the community and pushed. If as a new officer you jump along with a response team and basically shadow them it gives you more experience.

On deployment you all will often be tasked with explaining IED trends, insurgent techniques, recommendations etc to non-EOD officers. That is total facepalm fucking hell. Reaosn being that "IED working groups" are organized and lots of officers want into it so they can put it on their OER, but they don't understand shit about shit. So it will be like explaining a technical concept to a toddler- except the toddler is often a Captain or Major who looks down on you and think that since they totally one time encountered an IED they are experts.

>>33254469
The thing is that I'm considering joining the german military EOD after HS and I'm curios if it is worth it, cause the contract length for officers (including getting a bachelor degree at one of their two universities) is 13 years or I would guess nine or ten years if you study at an civilian university and join after finishing there.

>>33252358
You'll receive your rank at reception when you get your name tapes and uniforms.

>>33253383
BS. Whether you're a fuzzy or a Spec-4, you're all privates there, by doctrine.

>>33253393 Don't say a god damn thing unless you're asked,

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>>33254789
Well, I don't know shit about German EOD culture or structure.

I can pretty handily assume you'll train a fuckload with your robots and that German EOD is likely more busy than US EOD with old ordnance being dug up (and we dig up quite a bit here).

From what I've met of Euro EODs they all share the global EODbro attitude and are pretty welcoming of anybody from anywhere in the field.

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can you still write cool shit on your helmet or nah?

>>33244689
Can anyone answer this, pls?

>>33253421
What if you can run 1.5 miles in 10 minutes, do 40 pushups, 50 situps and do 5 pullups? How would they calculate that?

Is the Air Force handling mild eczema waivers yet?

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Why does every Air Force person walk like a toddler?

I have started to notice this only affects Air Force and none of the other branches.

>>33255291
The Air Force waives everything. Their PT also allows you to waive most exercises.

>>33255253
Sounds like you need to talk to your retention NCO.

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>>33255317
they've got branches shoved up their ass.

>>33255592
Largest amount of homosexuals of any military service so that makes sense

Also the most males who identify as female.

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>>33255652
air force is just tumblr dipshits who think they can pussy out with the airforce for some reason.

>>33244325
They don't care about helping you, they just want their quotas.

Anyone got any experience with the army chemical corps?

>>33255317
All the extra money from flight pay really starts to weigh you down ;)

Knuckle draggers who get shot at by goat fuckers need not respond

>>33255652
The Navy and Marines would bring that claim into doubt, by population percentage I think the Marines take the cake with the most homosexual acts.

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>Describes Afghanistan with an iconic image "in his mind" of a Green Beret calling in air strikes from a ridge

Is this guy a troll, a fraud, or just clueless?

is ricky recon still alive? I haven't seen him post here in forever

>>33255965
I've never read the book, but nothing about "a Green Beret calling in air strikes from a ridge" seems out of place for Afghanistan.

>>33256018

Dude. Just....

>>33253383
god why does he look like such a little bitch?
im glad the muhreen guards hazed the fuck out of him when he stayed at quantico.

>>33256049
yeah, all that hazing sure turned out well for him

and everyone else right

>>33255965
dick couch seems legit with that name

>>33251203

STS (Sonar Tech) here. The no bullshit answer is, don't become a MMA unless you are okay with crawling around in shit tanks and getting dirty as fuck, while being the most busy and overworked division forward of the reactor compartment.

Do not become a nuke. I repeat. Do not become a nuke. It isn't worth it, nukes are miserable, many I know would gladly give up the 100k reenlistment bonus just to get those 6 years of their lives back. There's a reason why the bonuses are so big, it's literally the most bullshit job in the Navy. Highest suicide rate as well. It isn't coincidence.

You can get almost all of the same benefits from being a coner on subs. MMAs tend to get a lot of job opportunities working in fields like locomotion or anything that involves big ass fucking engines. I know a guy who got out of the navy after 5 years as an A-ganger, now he works for SpaceX and builds fucking spaceships for a job. The frames come in to a big ass workshop/warehouse type deal and he gets to bolt all equipment down on them, gets paid damn well too.

Subs definitely require a special type of person, most people aren't cut out for it. When you first get to a boat, you're sub-human. You're useless. You spend your days washing dishes for the entire crew, often entails them knocking over huge stacks of plates into the soaking bucket making a huge fucking mess and berating you all day. When you finally get done, you're told to get fucking qualified. You work on quals for a few hours and then try to hit the rack only for a qualified guy to come up to it 15 minutes later and say, "Get the fuck out of my rack and get qualified, faggot." So you have to get up and try and study more despite being exhausted. Then it's back to the kitchen to wash dishes. 2 months straight of that. Then the rest of your time getting qualified is doing even more bitch work and getting even less sleep. You aren't allowed to watch TV, play cards, anything but get qualified.

>>33255044
lol no.

depending on the unit you can't even wear half of your issued gear because some old man doesn't like it. Some aren't as bad as others, but you definitely won't be writing on shit.

>>33244104
i went in at 24. Was totally cool with it. I did great.

Wish I went in closer to 21 like you. Good time
I would wait for a war to join and if you must join during a peace time corps, go reserve.

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>>33255850
>flight pay
You don't fly shit, senior airman

>>33255850
$200 weighs you down?

>>33256018

Afghanistan was one of AFSOC's finest hours in both the Northern and Southern portions of the conflict. Saying that Green Berets called in the air strikes is a deliberate slap in the face to Combat Controllers everywhere and a pretty cheap shot considering that none of those guys go home and write semi-fictional books about their experiences like the SEALs do.

>>33255044

We wear hardhats in the shipyard and I wrote "BORN TO KILL," on mine. A lot of shit flys for submarines that would never fly for the rest of the military though, we simply don't give a shit.

>>33256116
Recently heard one of the few airfucks on my base yell out "OH LAWDY" over some food. Stereotypes exist for a reason. Air force is either fatties, single moms or jamals.

>>33255044
The formula for doing cool shit is basically linear to how far away from a garrison minded commander you are.

In garrison, you can't do shit.

On deployment, if you're on a mega-FOB, you can't do shit.

On deployment, if you're a little bit away, you can do some shit.

Etc, etc.

I met infantry dudes wearing civilian t-shirt tops or cutoff uniform tops, ballcaps, and tennis shoes all at once who were waaaaaayyy the fuck out on tiny little outposts. At the exact same timeframe I met people on mega FOBs getting yelled at to replace slightly sunfaded uniform pants.

>>33255317
almost every police advisory team commander in the marine corps like exactly like that dude, its really weird.

Just super frustrated that he can't do anything about ANP getting up in the boypucci and selling drugs and the guys at RC won't do anything about it.


Now I'm depressed.

>>33256138
In a whole decade+ Green Berets never called in airstrikes?

Again, I ain't read the books, but I'm pretty sure that from 2001-2017, at some point a GB called in some shit on a radio.

>>33256200

Green Berets has Special Tactics Teams attached from beginning to end. 85% of air strikes in Afghanistan were called in by CCTs. A Green Beret comms guy could request CAS, but could not perform battlefield ATC like a CCT does.

>>33256171
this.

I was at squad sized patrol base in marjah

no shaves, wearing gucci gear and patches, shit was cash.

then sgt maj showed up and yelled at me for having a hole in my FROG bottoms while we were getting attacked every week.

>>33256227
Aight, so up to 15% were called by Green Berets. Stop being so buttblasted about a fictional novel fugg.

>>33256235
I saw a dude who had literally just come off a convoy that had gotten nonstop fucked up by IEDs and multiple ambushes get yelled at by some FOB SGM for having a giant rip in his shirt.

FOBs are retarded, man.

>>33256252

>Not understanding why someone would be triggered by this

Call the SEALs "Marine Corps SEALs" and watch the reactions.

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>>33256116
agreed, being a bus driver isn't as much fun

>>33256138
very true

>>33256282
Dude, have you seen airport tier military novels? It's nothing but this shit. If you get buttblasted by inaccuracies you'll die at age 20 when you're blood pressure spikes so hard you look like a Kill Bill extra.

>>33256287

>those fucking artillery shells

>>33256326

The difference is that this is being published as non-fiction by a former SEAL Officer who discusses everything from ANGLICO to Rangers in a book about MARSOC but deliberately gives the middle finger to AFSOC.

>>33256138
Truely extrodinary work!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_Detachment_Alpha_574#Friendly_fire_incident

>>33256635

I've always wondered why we just take the pilot's word on what happened.

Nice shitting on dead men braver than you'll ever be though faggot.

>>33256635

>anon shows his true colors

Signed my DD (02xx/26xx) contract a few weeks ago. Going to boot next month.

Anyone have any experience with these MOS's? What was MOS school like? How are deployments?

>>33254469
How long is the EOD training including certification as team leader?
Here in germany the pure EOD training you receive as NCO or Officer is like 15 months.

>>33245366
dewy was the most based character in the show

>volunteer for psychological tests for college psych department
>score very high on dark triad areas

Is this going to keep me from getting TS if they do a psych eval?

any of you dudes in the adf?
my friend told me im in shit because i told the medical examiners i have a little acne, and they'll apparently find any reason to turn down your application

>>33258843
It is about a year long training in the US to be certified as a team member.

There isn't a timeline for team leader certification. It's a checklist of various skills you need to demonstrate through training missions. Officers usually get rushed through it right out of the basic EOD course and complete it by about six months. Enlisted guys will generally spend at least 1-2 years concentrating on being quality team members. In that time they will pick up a lot of team leader skills. Once an enlisted person hits E5 they start seriously doing team leader training and checking off certain skills. Usually takes about a year since it is done between other things and not rushed with back to back training events.

Everybody can go to certain extra courses on IEDs and ordnance, and team leaders go to advanced IED courses; enlisted TLs usually have priority over officers to go since they are actually working in the field more.

>>33251203
If you get a degree first, there's no good reason not to get a commission. Go ossifer.

>>33253456
+1 to both of these statements

My navy recruiter told me he'd have me flying F35s in no time, was he having me on?

>>33259969
If he's not specifically recruiting officers, yes.

>>33260157
He was recruiting for officers

>>33244222
68W here, not infantry but not shit either

I'm shipping out as a 68W soon and I've got a good idea of what to expect but I know fuck all about AIT, any pointers?

>>33260212
I'm joining RAMC soon, you ever work with any of those people? Do you enjoy 68w?

Anybody know anything about 68W?

I went to the psychologist during my year in college and I think they diagnosed me with depression, am I fucked?

Can I enlist in the US Army/Marines as an Australian citizen for the purpose of a US Citizenship?

>>33259536
>ddd LARPing as EOD

>>33260452

The only thing he's really wrong about is expecting lieutenants to finish their certs in six months.

>t. senior badge in the seventy-worst

>>33260483
Both the baby Lts I had in units were cert'd in about that time. Though we were fucking hurting for manpower at the time, so I don't doubt it was rushed.

>>33244104
Joined at 22. No regrets.

>>33244136

Marines is not the Army. Last I checked 28 was the cut off for enlisted.

>>33244648
We don't. You're a kid raised on the Internet who doesn't understand shit talk.

>>33260367
Are there any records of it?

Anyone else shipping to lackland this week?

Can I get away with being a hipster in the military? Like wearing the morale stuff ironically?

do reservists get tricare?

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germany bans YPG symbols and pictures of kurdish leader öcalan. this happend after turkish political pressure on germany.

I guess 85% of SDF forces belong to YPG... they inofficial NATO-ground troops in syria.

https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Innenministerium-erweitert-angeblich-PKK-Verbot-3649636.html

Anyone know if I'd still be considered to go the language school if I wanted to go USMC reserves?

>>33261762

Not the full coverage for no cost that Active Duty gets.

Reservists can purchase Tricare Reserve Select. It's pretty good insurance and pretty cheap.

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What are the qualifications for choosing who gives you your first salute when you graduate from OCS?

I wanted to ask my father, but he received an OTH when he was in the Navy for smoking green.

>>33255262
PT score is ultimately based on a point value converted from your separate scores. The thunderbolt/warhawk name is only a BMT thing and no one cares about it afterwards.

>>33255317
Can't say for others, but it's probably cause I wear a pajama to work everyday.

Opinions on TACP? Seems like calling down cleansing fire on third world savages would be fun.

How do I get past a medical doctor who's giving me shit? I haven't even been to MEPs and he's requesting all this documents that legitimately do not exist. It's super frustrating, and I'm not sure what to do. Any tips?

Army btw, but its a DoD doctor so w/e

Army or Air Force? I intend to fly and becoming a warrant officer in a year in the army is far close than going air force, doing college, then applying for OCS and Pilot training

Can you request for cross-training in the Air Force? Say you enlist and ship with x classification, get through BCT/tech school and arrive at your unit then do your job for x months, can you put in a packet or specialized request to be sent to x classification's tech school?

>>33264974
do it. I met a lot of good tacp/jtacs in afghanistan. They got to do all the cool guy shit but got treated way better than the regular infantry.

>>33265235
Yeah, Army if you want to fly rotary as a WO.
AF is toying with the idea of reintroducting WO back but it's met with a lot of resistance cause officers don't like the prospects of losing jobs.
That said, if you don't mind sitting in a box all day, you can be an elisted RPA pilot in the AF.

So I've been thinking about enlisting but I have some fairly minor self harm marks on my left arm. How can I explain these during MEPS? Also is going for SWCC worth it or will I just sit around all day? 20 here.

>>33265669
I'd rather be in the air myself. Would it better in the long run to to be in the AF enlisted then become an officer aft I finish my degree if I ultimately want to fly fixed wing? Or is it better to go Army WO to fly rotary, then get a degree and go AF officer to fly?

>>33265737
How bad do they look? Post a pic if you can

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Anyone know what happens when you get your physical at meps specifically at Sacramento. I have very mild scoliosis and my doc said my best interest is to not mention it due to having to get a waiver for a different issue

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>>33256099
>>33256139
>>33256171
really? not even strapping some other cool shit to it? vietnam truly was the last aesthetic war

>>33263673
What do you mean? Are you trying to be a cryptolinguist?

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>>33265964
Camera doesn't pick them up very well. There easier to see by eye than by camera.

>>33266634
Don't mention them.

If they do ask what those are, say they were either burn marks from a grill (if they seem evenly spaced enough) or that you scraped it on a fence or something along those lines.

The important facts to keep straight if questioned are how you got them, and that you did not receive medical attention at a hospital so have no medical records concerning them.

>>33266692
Thank you anon.

>>33266634
they look like stretch marks

>>33244222
rah debildoge

>>33266250
my doc was an old indian dude
looked at my insane amount of bacne and said "just dont mention it to anyone"
chances are nobody will give a fuck unless you make it a problem bud

>>33244618
The horse one.

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I hate women with a passion.

How badly do women fuck things up in the military? Any stories?

>>33244689
If you haven't taken it in two years, you're fine, but I don't know about SF.

>>33266588
If that were the only MOS open to me, yes. I'm just trying to get sent to DLI but remain in the reserves afterwards.

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This might be political but IDGAF
How are gays treated in the military since DADT got repealed? Has it become less hostile, or has it become just "do your job or you'll get fucked like the rest/I could care less" sort of situation?
Are certain branches more or less hostile towards them?

A-asking for a friend

officially enlisted in royal Australian navy.Go to bootcamp on Monday. I haven't finished my security pack vetting shit. how fucked am I? I was an extremely short notice enlistment, I think that is a pretty good excuse in it self

>>33259062
nah bro, have visible acne on my face. I go to HMAS Cerberus on Monday.

>>33265737

>self harm marks
>going for SWCC

If the abysmal woe of adolescent life was too much for you, you're never gonna make it. I hate how faggots like you ask questions like this and the response is how to get in despite it, not to just fuck off and stay out of the military. Letting in shit lords like you is why we have to deal with useless weak nubs who do nothing but whine because we can't haze the shit out them and make them tap out.

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>>33253383
Fuckin hell...

>>33268415
Muhreen grunt here
Well we had a gay guy in my old platoon, dude was alright, fucked dudes in Thailand tho.
Honestly no one really gives a shit unless you start being weird.

>>33255842
Ive been asking around about usmc cbrn defense specialist (mos 5711)

Looking to join up the USMC either by going to the recruiter and slapping my dick on the table or doing ROTC and getting another degree (most likely related to aviation) so that I can join up as a fixed-wing pilot.

Any USMC or USN naval aviators? I would love to get some advice from people that have tried out or are in active service as commissioned men and are in ACE. I hear the training pipelines are more or less the same except USMC pilots get qualified for carrier ops but might end up doing a few landings/takeoffs in their entire career as they could get stationed off an airfield. Which fucking sucks but I love the Marine Corps.

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Keeping my question simple.
I want to join the US Marine Corps Reserve.

I have scoliosis, with a 25 degree curve, that wasn't specified to me on where. Probably thoracic.
I looked it up, and thoracic below 30 does not need a waiver, should I be okay as far as this goes?
If I do need a waiver for going beyond whatever limit, do you have any knowledge on how it rolls?

Also, it was 19 degrees many years ago, and is now 25. I feel a year off my usual /fit/ness routine in college caused it. Think that can factor in much? My doctor straight up said it likely was involved.

>>33267982

My team is about half women, it's been a non issue.

>>33269707
I'm in now and i know a dude who didn't have it documented coming in and is gonna blame it on the service and milk the military when he gets out.

Also didnt the author for that die a while back?

I was going through my sf-86 quickly and forgot that I saw a couple therapist when I was 13. It was nothing and I'm completely fine now. I told my recruiter, he said that its too late. I'm just worried about cuz I need a TS clearance

>>33271682
They will interview you. Disclose it then.

>>33259062
They don't want people with acne because of the chance you can have acne on your back, lots of pack marching will tear your back up and it will get infected etc.
>>33268454
You'll just do it when you get there after basic. You'll soon realise how chill everything is.

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Making antisemitic homophobic comments on an anime imageboard won't disqualify me, will it?
It's just a prank, onii-chan. All I wanna do is drive a truck.

>>33270749
Just googled it and the person in charge of the story died but gave the artist the rest of the story so that he can finish it with a different translator.

If there is a University 30 minutes away from the front gates of the base am I likely to get away with going to classes there?

Can anybody tell me more about CBRN?

>>33272606

You don't need authorization to take college classes unless you're using military funds to pay for them or they eat into the duty day.

>>33272854

I'm asking if it is logistically possible.

Where did this whole "Marines are super elite/The best" meme originate from?

>>33273833

Recruiting department "not propaganda".

In all fairness I've known Marine infantrymen and Army infantrymen, and I have to give it to the Marines.

>>33272956

That depends on when you get off and when classes start.

>>33273833
It came from the Marines. If you haven't noticed, the Marines are seriously the best when it comes to advertisements and they managed to convinced a population that they're the super duper elite omg bestest super warriors around.

>>33273875
They're pretty much equal imo.

Am I retarded for joined the marines for the sole purpose of the uniform?

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>>33274323
Extremely.

Navy Officers have far better dress blues.

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>>33274365
No

>>33243694
swearing in tomorrow. 19D cav scout. any scouts here that want to give me some advice/tell me what im in for?

How big of a problem would be extremly mild assburgers?
Asking for a friend.
Yes, he knows he's supposed to keep his mouth shut about everything they can't prove.

>>33244222
How is infantry as a career when there's no war on?

>>33274463
being like infantry but gay

>>33274502
awful. You are a janitor who does training in the field every now and then. Hope you like cutting grass, washing rocks, and kicking tires.

>>33274513
ive gathered that. I was hoping for more insight, like what exactly makes scouts more gay.
"scouts out"
those silly hats
and the god awful "if you aint cav you aint shit" motto are all very gay. but id like to hear from someone who is/was or has known a cav scout

>>33274513
But isn't the Infantry already Gay?

>>33274553
in a different way I think.

How do I marry a cute shy asian girl in the military

>>33274548
Cav Scouts are gay because they are often attached to Infantry units and as they aren't infantry, they are reminded regularly how gay they are that they don't have a blue cord or crossed rifles.

Now Cav Scouts who actually get to do Cav Scout shit can be kinda neat. They often carry are more violent and carry more heat due to smaller fireteams or whatever gay names the Cav Scouts have. So they are more lethal with less guys. They also tend to drive or ride in vehicles more. Which is good. Walking everywhere with a 240 and/or tripod or a mortar's base plate (if you're a chuck) sucks balls. To be honest, most Cav Scouts I know are much happier than infantrymen. Infantry sucks dick, even though its cool.

>>33274553
Yes. Very.

>>33274596
Join the Air Force or Navy

>>33274472
Shit nigga from what I hear the Air Force is pretty much half Aspie.

>>33274598
thanks man. you sound like you know whats up. I appreciate the response.

>>33274323
Yes. That novelty runs out quick. Those uniforms are cheaply made and not particularly comfortable. Prepare to be a Lance Coolie

>>33274625
Np dude. Cav Scout is honestly pretty neat as you have a cool history and lineage what with slaughtering injuns and being vaguely related to knights if you squint your eyes and tilt your head to the left. You also get to play near tanks and Strykers and stuff, which is neat. But sucks too since you might get stuck fixing the. Harmony Church is also way newer and nicer than shitty ass Sand Hill. I remember doing details over there towards the end of OSUT and being very jealous of their standard of living and morale. Look up Corb Lund's I wanna Be in the Cavalry to get a little moto. Also that gay but neat Fiddler's Green song you guys will sing.

>>33273833
The Marine Corps spends more money on advertising than they do on gear, because they're fags. That "First In the Fight" shit isn't even true. Usually its Army SF or Rangers in first.

>>33274686
I will absolutely look all of that up. You dont get to see family for 6 months after shipping to OSUT, correct?

>>33274638
What's a Lance Coolie....?

>>33274616
>>33274472
Can anybody tell more?

>>33274746
Salty ass Terminal Lance Corporal who hates his life and skates his way past shit.

>>33274737
Eh...It depends how ballsy you are and if your OSUT CO is cool. We graduated right around 4th of July. So some dudes used their 5 days of leave to get to their station to see family for a few days. You also get Family Day and Graduation day and stuff. But yeah you won't be able to swing home for about 6 months.

>>33274795
dude im sure the bergmaster is fine. as long as hes able to socialize with other humans and hold a job ill bet he could succeed in the military.

>>33274803
oh shit so there IS family day/graduation day. I had heard from someone that your graduation from bct to ait during osut is an extra long smoke sesh and nothing else.

>>33274795
The air force is full of spergy weirdos, smart chads and pretty hot women. He/you will be fine. Just don't smear shit on the walls and eat it or whatever. As long as he does his job he's gold. Don't go combat arms like a fag. I hear the smarter rates in the Navy are cool for aspies and autists as well. Navy has decent broads. Army has shitty women and Muhreen broads are either dikes or have major daddy/mommy issues.

>>33274815
Your family day is a privilege not a right, so if your unit is full of fucking dickheads and shitty soldiers, your Drills may keep you in Red Phase. Meaning total control, no slack. This is unlikely to continue for many weeks on end, despite what they may say, because they don't feel like sleeping at the Company and babysitting. Once you hit White Phase, they'll start fucking off after lunch and dinner, leaving one or two Drills there for CQ. Also in White they'll let your PG march you around, let you eat slightly longer, and not fuck with you as much. Blue phase is cool. 50s and 240s and whatever. You'll have fun. Just remember OSUT is a time to learn basic skills. Don't take it too seriously. The most they can do is make you exercise. Or maybe punch you if they're confident nobody will rat.

>>33274867
10/4 bossman thanks again for the info.

>>33274901
If you go end up at 5-7 CAV, you can have some fun in Savannah. Ft Stewart is pretty gay if you're with 3rd ID since thats a shit unit. But you can have some fun if you look around enough. Good luck my mans. Have fun.

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>>33274830
>that reassurance

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>>33269707
You should be. I had a 14 degree thoracic and a 26 degree lumbar curve when I went active. If I remember correctly, they didn't pay any special attention to it. I think it was after the duck walk I was sitting in doc's office and he asked me 1 or 2 questions about it. The he signed off on everything saying I was good to go.

Three years later and I'm getting medically retired.

>>33270749
If he has no history of scoliosis, then he has no proof to show it was aggravated by service. If scoliosis wasn't worsened by service they will tell you to get fucked.

What's the best way to get a cute loyal Asian wife in the navy

>>33275441
Marry a desperate jap in Japan

>>33275441
>enlisting because you have yellow fever

I love asian women too a lot, but anyone desperate enough to enlist thinking it'll help them date a qt azn really shouldn't enlist.

>>33274463

I'm a Cav scout at 3rd ID out in Stewart.

Not a bad gig, really. Fags bitch because "Blah blah blah Army sucks blah blah blah" but you get to touch all kinds of weapons in 19D OSUT and when you get to your unit it's pretty cool.

>>33274830
Air Force is best career since most of any .mil career is under peacetime conditions. AF retired here. Choose wisely. Use forums. There are many for every service.

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>>33274427
The MC enlisted dress blues are way too gauche. If you're going to post one, post the far superior (and rarer) Officer MC dbs.

But honestly, you're only going to wear your blues a couple dozen times over the course of your entire life. Don't base 4-8 years on that.

>>33275519
I'm already in DEP you cuck, I'm joining for many reasons

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>>33274830
>pretty hot women
You mean pretty fat

The branch is literally walking female potato's complaining about how "sad" they are

Sorry your ego is so wounded by everyone on /k/ laughing at the Air Force, but those laughs are for a fucking reason. You suck. And you are ineffective.

And you lack self respect as a branch which is why you brag about your obese women.

>>33275375
I have scoliosis, kyphosis, everyfuckingosis, fucked discs, peripheral neuropathy (some of which was from being young and stupid helping to seat wing tanks and heaving on engines) etc.

Get and maintain PAPER copies of all your records. The VA only speaks VA. I appealed my disability rating and got it upped.

hadit.com and other veterans forums are extremely useful! Study them like you are studying for promotion.

When you appeal a rating, CONFINE your appeal to ONE issue at a time so one office reviews it and you can get a faster response. If your dick is falling off and you have anal acne, appeal one of those at a time and allow the process to complete before sending in subsequent appeals.

Send ALL VA correspondence by tracked means so recipient must sign for it.

NEVER send an original document. You can have a notary notarize copies if needed but I've not run into that.

Active dooty and vets are often sadly ignorant of how to engage the VA, but that's really easy to cure and you have a fucking ocean of smart vetbros in the civilian world eager to help you. When you get smart you may end up counselling! Helping other G.I.s is a great feeling.

Spread the word to others to keep their records maintained while they are on active duty. When you get near EAS, get your clinic to print you a current copy of all records even if you have previous copies. READ THEM.

>>33275593
Yellow fever is OK, but I'll pass on what old buck Sgt Cody told me long ago:

>SRA Anon, Asia is like Disneyland. Enjoy the rides but don't try to take one home.

>>33275612
Air Force handles the nation's space and missile systems, has the highest standard of living and best living conditions, the best job selection choices, could rain hellfire on any of America's enemies from the skies, and gets to fly Trump around.

Stay jealous.

>>33275647
Already on it bro. I'm on IDES though, so the VA portion will be done while I'm still active.

>dick is falling off
How did you know?

>>33275507
How do you do that if you dont speak nip

>>33275658
I dont want to sleep around I just want a wife who likes anime/vidya and wont gain 200 pounds after marriage

Make sure you go the route for a desk job. Don't put yourself in harms way for 'merica.

It's a god damn shit hole.

>>33275612
The envy is strong in this one. Enjoy your suffering.

I spent a long, enjoyable career fixing fighters without caring what other services (and most of the rest of the Air Force) think.

There are many ways to serve. Those who hate the AF should not join it.

Aircraft don't give the slightest fuck how pretty you look or what your PT score is though in Desert Storm we had one engine troop who was almost too fat to get past the F-16 intake strut. Did his job just fine tho. I once passed the annual walk at Moody AFB while smoking non-filter Camels. (In the old days nearly everyone avoided PT by mass mutual consent.) The AF isn't particularly motarded because that's not actually useful in how it wages war. The people who need to be tactical athletes are that. Those who don't do something else.

Now toddle off and bask in your own vanity. There are many ways to serve.

As for "effectiveness" take that shit up with senior leadership if you aren't getting the fire support you'd prefer. IMO the Army and Marines should take over all CAS missions but (all) the services basically conspired in unison to shitcan the wide variety of CAS and FAC birds we used to own without replacement. I could do threads on that all day. Uncle Sugar piddles with light aircraft programs (best was OV-10 Bronco) but Army only cares about helicopters (it dumped Mohawks long ago), the USMC shitcanned Bronco because they are scared of a few losses despite operating much more vulnerable helicopters (which are less effective at altitude and whose loiter sucks), the Air Force dumped Skymaster (no loss there) and Bronco without replacement in favor of drones, and I've no idea what the Navy is doing but it's not much. In any event the above have absolutely nothing to do with the experience of serving in the Air Force.

>>33275856
I want world peace, honest government, free 100 octane leaded gas, no firearms regulations, and Ivanka Trump to blow me on the White House lawn.

I'm more likely to get my wish than you are.

>>33275837
Watashi wa, American desu
Tojo sugoi

Pls marry me

>>33253383
traitor he should never got his special surgery he betrayed the army and as such the army should not pay for anything for him

>>33272702
I too would like to know this.

>>33272702
>>33276630

I wonder who could be behind promoting one of the worst MOS in the Army persistently...

>>33276650
Why is it one of the worst?

>>33255965
Dick Couch is a legitimate former SEAL and has written tons of material.

>>33276890
Not him but,
CBRN gets a cool acronym and nothing else. Not even an actual job. Mostly it' just hosing things down that were "contaminated," with the common chemical element being blood. You're hosing off corpses and shit.

>>33277092
Really? By reading the job description it looks pretty damn cool. But I guess it's the Army so they'll make anything look cool to get people to join

>>33277206
Ask yourself this:
who actually employs chemical weapons? when does radiation become a concern? When are you going to encounter nuclear effects in your job?

Don't get me wrong, walking through those yellow tunnels in Crysis 2 was cool shit, but when do those things actually get pulled out?

>>33277339
If by some hellish nightmare iran or syria become involved in military action with the united states i could see cbrn units becoming a much more prevalent force.
Iranian nuclear developments and the chemical agents syria has used in the past (mainly sarin and mustars gas; traces of vx have been identified too) leave room for some more than moderate concern.

>>33255967
He's in Syria

>>33278131
Proofs?

>>33274526
go back to your battlefield game kid

you have no idea

>tfw want to join marines but cant make it more than 2 laps without desiring suicide

so much for 50,000 years of evolution devoted to making humans better runners

>>33243694
Hunting sand niggers.

>>33244685
Bragg hot as a mo of there

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Iv always wondered, how does the military command structure functionally work?

If I understand it right, you have a bunch of enlisted under the command of LT's who are under the command of Lieutenant Colonels and so on, but how does coronation work between branches?

How do air strikes and other support get called in from other branches?

>>33277791

>Maybe CBRN will be relevant in the next conflict.

This is what CBRN guys have been saying for literally the past 60 years. Multiple entire 20 year careers have come and gone where CBRN guys didn't touch their MOS duties.

>>33280278

When multiple branches work together they have some kind of joint HQ or task force that this stuff is coordinated through. It's heavily dependent on the situation and the size of the elements involved.

Your question basically boils down to:

>Please explain US military doctrine.

...but the answer to that is literally several books of existing material that is constantly being updated. Start reading:

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/new_pubs/jointpub.htm

>>33244222
If you ain't infantry, you ain't dead.

Do I absolutely need my original SSN for MEPS or is a copy okay?

If a copy isn't okay, I could go down to the office on Tuesday and get a replacement, but it will take ten days to get here, but i go to MEPS on the 21st. I've heard if you can't wait they can give you something with a stamp of approval or something like that. Would they accept that?

(I know my SSN by heart if that would help any)

>>33280474
The other thing is that while chemical munitions have been relevent in recent wars- chemical corps are only trained and equipped to handle chemical hazards, not fuze or booby trap hazards or explosive hazards in general. So EOD guys will go in and actually handle the downrange chemical munitions and at most chemical corps guys will handle the decon line. But too be honest, fire departments are usually more trusted than chem corp since they actually train on decon lines more and keep their gear in better shape.

>>33268415
I hope you get caught by those desert monkeys and beheaded on stream

Here's a (probably retarded) question for all of you: Does the Army PFT have a specific date? If so, when is it? I've done some research and can't find anything.

>>33281507
It needs to be renewed every 6 months. It's per person, not a big Armywide event.

>>33281518
What about the preliminary one that determines whether you can join or not? Or am I just not understanding how shit works?

How hard is it to go from e3 to e4 for the Navy? I'm an Intel rate btw

>>33281575
It's done during in-processing, after you shipped out to temporary barracks, but before you're put into Basic.

It's done to fill up whatever BCT cycle is coming up at your particular training location. It's not the kind of shit you'll find published and updated online.

>>33281600
So, does that mean it goes AVSVAB, signing, ship-out, PFT, and then Basic? Is ROTC the same deal, just without the ship-out?

>>33281609
Your recruiter should give you a semi-informal PT test some time after the ASVAB to make sure you aren't an embarrassment on the entry PT test. If you fail the entry test you get rotated to fat-kid barracks and made to PT until you pass enough to go into Basic.

Also, the entry test standards are lower than real AFPU standards. TBQH, not matter what non-operator job you're doing you should be able to time yourself and get at least a 280 on the real AFPU before shipping out. For right or wrong, PT scores are a big deal in the Army no matter your job and will directly affect your promotions and side-benefits like getting to do PT on your own instead of with the group at some units.

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>get told I can get drone operator
>get pumped
>say yes
>get accepted for the job
>do research a week later
>with my rank, I'll only be drone servant
>i'll either assemble/disassemble or throw a small drone
>for 5 fucking years
entirely my fault, innit?

>>33281644

Half of what a recruiter says is a lie, the other half is misleading. It's downright criminal. I'm sorry you got dicked over anon.

>>33281644
>tbqh it's still not a bad technicalish job to transition out of when you're done with the military. Decent chance the unit environment will be more relaxed than a lot of places.

If it sucks too hard, just git gud at PT and memorize the soldiering skills book then apply to transfer to a Critical Skills MOS. They can't deny that application for anybody who meets the standards.

>>33281641
That makes sense. I've been trying to go from little exercise to PFT-ready, so I'm self-testing the three categories of it. I've gotten pretty close to 280, but I've never gotten it on the dot.

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>>33281661
I'm not from clapistan lad.
I was starting to like the recruiter tho
I'm unfit for combat so I asked for artillery instead but he said my results on english and comms were pretty good and that would be a waste.
I even got offered a job in a cyberwarfare regiment but it is pretty damn far away so I refused like a retard. Fucked myself twice.
I hope I can apply for respec into comms when I become corporal.

>>33281694
I mean, if you're self testing at 279, whatever. Point is you should have a big buffer from failing and be as PT'd as possible.

In a lot of more field oriented units, the unofficial minimum is 260 or 280 and they put you on unofficial remedial PT.

On the other hand, in a lot of units if you get 300, you can get on your own PT, which is fucking fantastic compared to retarded, sometimes dangerously stupid PT run by various SNCOs.

>>33256635
Shit happens in war. Check Blue on Blue rates in previous wars.

>>33281742
Good to know. Thanks.

>>33260445
Get a green card and be permanent resident first. All the details, which may change by the time you do it, are online.

>>33281644

>i'll either assemble/disassemble or throw a small drone

Yes anon, that's what a drone operator in the Army is.

If what you actually wanted was to sit in a shack in Nevada and fly giant deathbots with a joystick, you have to be an Air Force officer with a degree.

>>33281721

>Turning down a cyberwarfare regiment job.

That's okay anon, not everyone likes cushy jobs that give you skills to get tons of money.

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>>33243694
Are there any actual recruiters in this thread? Got a question or two.

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I've established a tier list of branches I'd most like to enter.

Marines are above the Army at the #3 spot (with Army being #4). Have I fallen victim to the Marine Corps meme?

>>33282427
>Have I fallen victim to the Marine Corps meme?
Hard to say without knowing why you ranked it above the Army.

>>33282543
I find the Marine history a lot more intriguing.

>>33282552
Well then that's a pretty clear sign that you've fallen for the meme.

>>33282552
>Man, I sure am glad I picked a branch with interesting history
>He thought, while walking around post picking up trash in a PT belt.

>>33282586
In what ways is the Army superior to the Marines?

My first two choices are the Air Force and the Navy in that order.

>>33282597
Better barracks.
Better enlistment bonuses.
Better promotion rates (varies by MOS).
Better equipment.
More career options.

>>33282672
Oh, so people literally just choose Marines over Army for the title?

>>33282597
MOS for MOS, it is superiority, its just slightly different approaches.

Army is a lot bigger and has more diversity in the types of units it has and the standards expected of different tiers. The Marines rely extremely heavily on the Navy for their mundane jobs while the Army is more self sufficient.

There is a lot of crosstraining and compatable jobs will often go through the exact same training schools or units from different branches will train each other.

Combat and operationally experienced Marines are bros IMO, but boot Marines or those from non-combat jobs tend to be fucking Memelords and are unbearable to be around.

>>33282698
*it isn't superiority

>>33282698
>>33282709
So I take it all the talk of Marines being "elite" and better than Soldiers is just baseless grandstanding?

>>33283763
I mean they might be somewhat better on average but the impression of them all being elite and practically SOF is entirely wrong.
If you want to be "elite" your best bet is army ranger or SF.

Every God damn cyber job requires a TS clearance eh?

>>33284178
Yes.