>is a SVD/Dragunov/NDM worth it? I have a sizable collection

>>33242997
They're accurate and capable rifles but you can achieve that performance for half the cost or less. So unless you want one just to have you would be better off spending your money on something else.

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>>33242997
I have a Dragunov and it's shit. I prefer my Mosin and SKS more. Fucking waste of $5,500. Good thing I went to a good college so I'm rich.

>>33243043
So you bought yours in the late '80s early '90s?

>>33242997
SVD for collectors value: Sure, why not

SVD for a real SHTF/home defense/zombie apocalypse scenario: no, there are more modern and more precise rifles for less money.

>>33242997

they are not worth it, they are rare and banned and thus command collector dollars

but a decent M1A or AR10 is a better rifle

russian collectors buy them and hang them on the wall, you will never see anyone in a shooting comp using one

>>33243156
>>33243123
Even for collectors value its shit.

>not rare
>not high quality
>not specialized

literally paying thousands because of a import ban. (which may get lifted soon)

>>33242997
I get that they are crazy stupid expensive, but aside from 922r is there anything stopping someone from going to an eastern bloc, buying one, and shipping it back to yourself, with torch cut barrel and receiver?

>>33243233

it's not an import ban, Russia refuses to export any more of them because they are the issued sniper rifle of their military and they don't wan everyone having them

>>33243233
>which may get lifted soon
This is what retards ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

>>33243238

the fact that nobody will sell you one

>>33243254
Incorrect, they're banned by name from import BY the US (Thanks Bill Clinton)

>>33243277
>>33243254
You could get a NDM from china

>>33243277

The Chinese version was banned by Clinton

The real Russian made ones are not allowed to be exported by the Russian goverment

otherwise you would see them coming over with modifications like they do with AKs, the trigger moved, the stock changed etc... and re converted with american parts over here

>>33243344
No it was still named in a import ban. If that was the case we would still get them in from other obscure shitholes.

>>33243366

not the Russian SVD, if so show me where

As far as I know Russia stopped Ismach from exporting them, AKs are banned by name on an import ban but you can still get Russian AK receivers and convert them "desporterise" once they are here with US parts, you cant do that with the SVD because Russia won't let you

>>33243366


"Why can't SVDs be imported from Russia again?"

Russian SVDs and Tigers, and Chinese NDM-86s are banned under different agreements with Russia and China. You will not be able to get newly imported Dragunovs now that the "Assault Weapon Ban" has expired . Pres. Clinton banned Chinese imports of arms and ammunition to the United States in 1994, which was a separate ban from the Russian Voluntary Restriction on Arms and Ammunition. It is Russia, not the US, that is preventing new Dragunov rifles from being imported to the US.

For more information about the ban on Russian Dragunovs click here:

https://www.ttb.gov/rrd/tdatf6.htm

>>33243392
i THINK ITS THIS ONE, FUCK MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK SORRY

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/06/us/clinton-to-impose-a-ban-on-58-types-of-imported-guns.html

>>33243419
>http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/06/us/clinton-to-impose-a-ban-on-58-types-of-imported-guns.html

says nothing about the Russian SVD there, see:

>>33243417

>>33243392
>Show me where
http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/4077/For-reference-why-SVT40s-cant-be-imported

>>33243494
SVT =/= SVD

>>33243494

the SVT and Russian SVD are different firearms

the Russian SVD is withheld from export by Russia not banned from import by the USA

>>33243518
>>33243552
Read the actual thing, it applies to both.

>>33242997
Get a 54R Vepr and a PSOP scope. I have both and love them.

>>33243564
>Read the actual thing, it applies to both.

no, it does not

>>33243552
So can I or can I not get one in russia or in the eastern block and send it back sans receiver and barrel? Would I be able to find one to buy?

>>33243650
Ok motherfucker, which one of these rifles is the SVD?

1. BARS-4 Bolt Action Carbine
2. Biathlon Target Rifle, .22LR caliber
3. British Enfield Rifle
4. CM2, .22 caliber Target Rifle (also known as SM2,
.22 caliber)
5. German Model 98K Rifle
6. German Model G41 Rifle
7. German Model G43 Rifle
8. IZH-94
9. LOS-7 Bolt Action Rifle
10. MC-7-07
11. MC-18-3
12. MC-19-07
13. MC-105-01
14. MC-112-02
15. MC-113-02
16. MC-115-1
17. MC-125/127
18. MC-126
19. MC-128
20. Saiga Rifle
21. Soviet Model 38 Carbine
22. Soviet Model 44 Carbine
23. Soviet Model 91/30 Rifle
24. TOZ 18, .22 caliber Bolt Action Rifle
25. TOZ 55
26. TOZ 78
27. Ural Target Rifle, .22LR caliber
28. VEPR Rifle
29. Winchester Model 1895, Russian Model Rifle
Please tell me which of these rifles, which are exempt from the import ban, is the SVD?

>>33243657
>So can I or can I not get one in russia or in the eastern block and send it back sans receiver and barrel? Would I be able to find one to buy?

maybe sans receiver if you can find someone to sell you one but Russia is protective of that rifle you will likely only be able to find one surplus from some shit country

there is no place like a store where you would be able to walk in and buy one in a legal transaction

you would have to deal with some shady people to get one, but it's not banned from US import so if you are willing to do the paperwork you could import the whole rifle to the USA, but you won't find anyone willing to sell you one IMO

>>33243716

none of them are the SVD-63, but they are withheld from us by Russia, that's why it's not on the list, not because it is banned from import by name or anywhere else

they could be sporterized and shipped here as a Saiga rifle but russia won't let them

>>33243751
So, even though it is not on the list is is therefore banned, it is somehow not banned? Man of I'd love to here your legal justification on that one.

>>33243719
>>33243719
>Ukraine
>Bulgaria
>Poland
>Vietnam
>South Africa
>India
>Egypt

Surely one of these nations could import us a SVD style rifle unless it is banned on the US side? ALl of these countries produce SVD's, and some of them we import firearms from already.

>>33243719
finding one surplus from a shit tier country is fine by me, and importing guns is bs, and a hassle and once its not a gun, but a kit of parts sans receiver and barrel i can ship it to my house.

Why any american comapny doesnt want to copy and produce SVDs?

>>33243798

I don't know perhaps their contracts for having russian tooling prohibit them from exporting them

you never even see parts kits for them, it's because they won't export, the HK MP5 is banned both by name from import and banned because it's a post 86 machine gun, but you see parts kits for them every day on gunbroker

the reason you don't see SVD parts kits is because nobody will sell you the parts, not because the parts are banned

>>33243902
>thinking third world countries care about shit like that

I don't know man, it just doesnt add up.

>>33243893
>Why any american comapny doesnt want to copy and produce SVDs?

lack of demand

>>33243920

they care about not losing their tooling/having it taken back/etc...

but again go on gunbroker you can find parts kits for banned guns all day long that are banned on the US end, but you will never see an SVD parts kit because it's banned from the other end

>>33243803

how are you going to fabricate an SVD receiver and barrel?

>>33243965
In this theoretical scenario, probaly a custom barrel using the old barrel stubs for twist rates and a template for gas ports, and the receiver is just stamped metal, albeit probably reinforced.

>>33244003
SVD is a milled receiver

>>33244003

having a custom barrel and receiver fabricated for you would probably up the expense to making it more than just buying an old one off gunbroker

if you are going to do that you might as well make 100 of them and try to sell them because the initial expense of making the first one will be very high

>>33244026
Pretty sure a dude did that a while back, had a small group buy to help convert tiger rifles into normal SVD length rifles.

I am torn on the whole process, yea the tigr is ugly and short but it is a RUSSIA STRONK barrel, not some US made shit.

>>33242997
It'll be a similar experience. There's a metric ton of hype behind svd rifles that would not be there if they were imported on the regular. They'd just be another fun 54r option on the market.
>Paying $4000 for a gun that anywhere else would be $800 tops seems insane to me.
Because it is.

>>33244026

that makes sense

i think the real answer is "this is a pretty obscure rifle and there is just not the demand to either make one in the USA or loophole sporterise one into the country"

which is I think the case with a lot of oddball firearms that go for thousands of dollars as collector pieces and thus make people wonder why nobody makes them anymore

it seems like there would be tons of demand if the prices have been driven up like that, but fabricating the firearm is a huge task and the market is not there even though it seems to be

>>33244085

only about 100 real Russian SVDs were ever imported to the USA, that's why the prices are retarded

>>33244058
>>33244026
The receiver yes, the barrel, not so much. you can get custom match barrel for , well, not cheap exactly, but not north of a 500, the milled reciver, thats where the money is.

The whole thing is a business idea ive been kicking around for a few months.

>>33244130

where do you get the bolt and the rest of the parts

>>33244149
Off the guns Id buy and chop up just accounting for the minimum to satisfy 922r. Its not even like aks, where the full auto trigger group is a problem.

>>33244180

I don't see you finding a bunch of SVDs to buy and chop up anywhere on earth, good luck though if you get lucky

>>33244245
Wont know if I dont try. And since theyve been in production since the 70s, there has to be surplus some where sitting in a box.

>>33242997
WA2000 is proven to be better

>>33244410
Oh boy, here we go.

>ignoring the whole last 5 minutes where they talk about upkeep on the WA2000 being insane compared to the SVD

>>33242997
Decent gun for what it was designed to do, but not worth more than $1000.

A good Mosin can outshoot those things. A Mosin!

>>33244429
>Joke
>Your head

>>33243254
The SVD-63 is no longer issued. It has been replaced entirely by the SVDS and SVU. The commercial Tigr variants chambered in 7.62x54mmR, 7.62x51mm, 7.62x63mm, and 9.3x64mm are still produced and exported by Izhevsk to this day.

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Yfw this dumb bullshit exists and they didnt even try to make an SVD.

>>33245093
>3 shot moa group

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>>33242997

Worth it? If you are murican who have to pay murican prices due to import ban - no.

When I bought by Izmash Tigr about 10 years ago it cost 650 euros in here - which was reasonable. It is a solid although bit old-fashioned DMR, but otherwise not that special.