Doomsday Weapons

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>>33240023
Slamin

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>>33240041
Reported

>>33240023
Why's that a doomsday weapon? SAMS capable of shooting it down exist since the early 60s.

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>>33240118

>Why's that a doomsday weapon?

It uses an engine that uses nuclear reactions to heat the air for thrust instead of the regular continious explosive burn of fuel/air. By doing this, it irradiates the air and leaves behind radioactive particles.

It also has 14 nuclear bombs that it ejects verticaly and combined with its great speed, those nukes can travel far from the missile itself. Not only is it fast, it can travel at mach 3.5 at around 300 meters, also destroying things on the ground by the very powerfull sonic boom.

After it crashes, it will turn the crash site into a no-go area for thousands of years.

Thats why it is a doomsday weapon.

>SAMS capable of shooting it down exist since the early 60s.

Wrong. If they couldnt shoot down the SR-71, they certainly wouldnt be capable of shooting down a SLAM considering the SLAM flies at mach 4.2 at 10700 meters and 3.5 at 300 meters. The latter is still impossible to shoot down even with todays advanced SAM systems never mind 1960's SAM tech.

>>https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low-Altitude_Missile
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low-Altitude_Missile

>>33240356
This
>the 60s were full of spooky mad scientists with just enough sense to not finish making it.

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>>33240356
>shoot it down
>wherever it lands becomes chernobyl 2.0
>don't shoot it down
>moscow becomes chernobyl 2.0

>>33240023
What would happen if you armed this with cobalt bombs?

>>33240407
Only winning move is not to play

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>>33240458
Who says I'm interested in winning?

>>33240433
An extinction level event.

>>33240379
And our dumb asses are playing with ai, drones, integrated networks down to the cars we drive, and every manner of predictive analysis. What could go wrong

>>33240356
So basically for when one needs to say fuck you everyone around you and the air you breathe

>>33240356
>We have become so powerful we can engineer the extinction of our species

Who needs asteroids?

>>33241462
Not quite. With perfect distribution, it'd take about a million pounds worth of cobalt to achieve planetary extinction. SLAM could only carry 14-26 thermonuclear warheads, probably only about 500 pounds each. Still enough to devastate a huge swath of land, but not enough for global extinction.

>>33241654
I was referring to more than just our species.

I think such a loadout could wipe out a lot of the species on a continent, leave a pretty fucked up layer in the fossil record.

>>33240433
That's some twisted shit mister.

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>>33240433
This man is asking the important questions

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>>33240023
Not quite doomsday tier, but i've always had a little bit of a thing for that Black Pox the USSR supposedly almost had finished in the late 90s. If you're willing to take ken alibek's(ex director biopreparat) word for it, the ruskies never stopped their bioweapons development and had already successfully made some chimera viruses of equine encephalitis and other things by the time he left. Supposedly they were almost done with their ebola/small pox hybrid too. Extremely contagious airborne hemorrhagic fever with a near 100% kill rate. It's only real flaw would be that its extreme lethality would make it prone towards burning itself out before reaching an ideal number of victims.

>>33241697
Can you imagine? Our radio signals finally reach an interstellar alien race, happy and eager as fuck to come meet us and stop being alone in the cosmos. Instead they get you and discover our irradiated bones.

>>33241697
Hey, at least it'd be easy to find our fossils with a Geiger counter.

>>33242793
*they get here

Project Pluto gives me nightmares. Just the name is forebodding.

They can say they cancelled it because it was too expensive or impractical but deep down I feel they cancelled it because they had become repulsed by it.

>>33240433
Now that's /k/

>>33243559
Nigger what.
They cancelled it because if the Soviets found out about it they were afraid they'd do either a preventive attack or they'd try to duplicate it, and there was no known defense against it.

>>33240023
I think the pressure wave formed alone could kill when it rode close to the ground.

That would be a cool sound/pressure weapon if they made the pluto without the nukes and had the ramjet just create a line of a lethal crushing shockwave to physically smash personnel, buildings, or vehicles (dunno what a supersonic ramjet would do to an armored vehicle's crew when passing by, but probably nothing good.

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>>33242793
>we are establishing uplink with our brothers from across the stars!
>in just a few moments we will for the first time ever establish visual contact with the ones known as "hew-mans"
>this is a great day for both our civilizations and the result of centuries of labor and research
>the masses quiver in excitement as the screen begins to display flickering static
>the image resolves itself
>its pic related
>wh-what....
>the alien announcer vomits on himself, and curls into a fetal position under his podium in a pool of his own filth
>on the screen are cities burning, women screaming, children are incinerated, it appears the hew-mans are in full blown retard mode destroying themselves
>as rocket contrails and SLAM units roar apocalyptically across continents oblitorating cities an entire aliem race watches on screaming in terror and despair
>human kind's final act of life is to irreversibly mentally scar an entire other race with our suicide

>>33240023

The great thing is even if it were coming for you, you still wouldn't hear it since it's very supersonic and maybe the shock wave would kill you anyway.

> Nervouslaughter.jpg

Only way to win is to remove USA with the rest of the world.

>>33241505
>Who needs asteroids?
We need asteroids as the next great enemy to encourage us to build the next even more insane level of destructive weaponry.

>Petaton scale nuke or bust!
>HFY

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>>33240023

>>33244386
Antimatter boosted fusion warheads when?

>>33244386
Give this guy a military contract!

>>33243559
They cancelled it because they couldn't test it, on Earth.

>>33245315
An untested provocative threat is a bad combination.

>>33240433
everything about that is terrifying, you would fit right into a Cold War weapons development team

>>33245315
No, they cancled it because nothing existed that could stop it, including nothing they had.

If they built one the russians would have built one shortly thereafter. People at the top were already freaked out by the dismally low chances of shooting down regular ICBMs and Bomber swarms. Things were hot enough as it was without provoking the soviets by obtaining an unstoppable weapon.

When you posess an unstoppable weapon one of 3 bad things can happen:
1: everyone else tries to get one

2: somebody finds a way to stop it, (and everything else in your arsenal cuz anything that could shoot that fucker down is gonna be able to annhilate everything else you got)

3: they cannot complete action 1 or 2 and decide their best bet is a preemptive strike.

The american brass decided any one of the 3 mentioned actions would be too devastating to risk and so they kanked the project.


If you are thinking of a nuclear propelled spaceship they couldnt test on earth you probably are referring to Project Orion, but that wasnt the only reason it got cut.

>>33240356
>Wrong. If they couldnt shoot down the SR-71...
Ivan had SAMs that could shoot down the SR-71 pretty much right when it was built. Thats why it never flew deep into the USSR.

This post is still cool though.

>>33240356
>The sonic boom alone could level cities and kill civilians
Imagine just sitting outside and suddenly this thing zooms by with a plume of plasma in its wake and it's the last thing you see before your skin is ripped off your bones.

>>33245315
You know how the military doesn't reveal stuff until they have their own counter for it? Imagine if you made a weapon that had no counter and just one could destroy a continent. That's what happened here

>>33246845
You probably wouldnt have time to comprehend anything. It would just be a millisecond blur and by the time the signal reaches your brain that you saw something wierd there would be only a brief world ending followed by silent darkness.

Youd die before you hit the ground as the shockwave liquifyed your brain and the pressure differential ripped your lungs out of your mouth.

The exhaust would settle to earth lightly sprinkling your remains with particles of plutonium and cobalt that would remain dangerously radioactive for a thousand years.

>>33246901
You just KNOW they had to have built atleast one or two in total secrecy.

Everyone has been saying russia has better reprisal capabilities post-strike than the US.

Maybe THATS our version of the dead-hand system the russians got. Even if every human on the north western continent is dead a silo on each coast opens up and 2 of these thing blast off for whoever hit us from 2 different directions.

They blast the cities, then fly a grid over target for a month raining nuclear fuel rod particles from its exhaust all over the enemy, then crashes creating a millinia spanning permanant ecological disaster in whats left of the capital city.

May THATS why the US never bothered to catch up to the russians on post-strike reprisal systems. Because we already have one in the form of a mach 4 fusion warhead flinging flying chernobyl brooding silently in some bunker somewhere.

>>33247287
>dead-hand system the russians got.
Thats not a thing.

Project Orion Battleship.

>>33247428
Prove your claim, lotta folks are of the mindset its still active. It WAS at one point, not hard to believe atleast parts of their arsenal are still rigged to it.

>>33247527
Those people are incorrect.


http://russianforces.org/blog/2006/04/dr_strangelove_meets_reality.shtml

>The Soviet Union never built this automatic Doomsday Machine (also known as Dead Hand) -- the Perimeter communication system that is often mistaken for it is something quite different.

>>33247604
I stand corrected. +1 apology to you sir, spend it wiseley, they are scarce.

>>33247649
More detail here if you like.

http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/12/no_gaps_in_early-warning_cover.shtml

>To deal with the situation, the Soviet Union developed a different mechanism that allowed it to wait for signs of the actual attack (such as nuclear explosions) before launching its missiles. The arrangement is often referred to as the Dead Hand, since it does involve a certain predelegation of authority as well as the mechanism that ensures that decapitation does not prevent retaliation. The system, however, is not automatic (that idea was nixed in the 1980s) and requires humans to be involved in the decision to launch.

>>33247649
No need to apologize, either.

>>33243847
<3

>>33243847
(Would read short story)

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>>33240023
>vought had their models of this painted gold

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>>33240433
The end, probably.

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>>33247252
Holy shit. What an scene to behold.
The ceramic fuel elements did shed some particles, and the crash would be spectacular with probably a low level fissile meltdown effect.
What would be worse is the last bomb goes off with the engine and makes a really dirty cloud for the terrain as a ground strike.
Just driving that rocket in a grand tour of your enemy's territory is hell enough as it is.

>>33242811
Technically already possible. The Jurassic bones I worked with had enough uranium in them we had to wear masks

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>>33247287
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_thermal_rocket#Kiwi-TNT
Project KIWI, the nuclear rocket child of Pluto for hustling to outer space was built and tested. The largest engine was Kiwi-2A 4000 MW . Yes that as much power as two space shuttle rocket boosters at 4 GW.
They tested this smaller test one to destruction on Jackass Flats NV near the Nevada test site.
A super critical excursion to see if it would go completely apart as a set power level.

The problem was that the fission fragments and uranium were blowing towards LA. But hey, it was the Cold War and it was kept secret. Ecologically not cool.

>>33247252
and then you wake up, not realizing anything is different, except that you have a hangover and weird itch on the back of your neck

quantum immortality is a hell of a drug

>>33241697
You'd just have to fuck over enough plant life and then just let it domino

>>33248362
This is how Armored Core startz

>>33247822
>Yes that as much power as two space shuttle rocket boosters at 4 GW.
Umm
Nearest I can calculate, the Shuttle SRBs had an average chemical heating rate of 130 GW. Each.

So yeah no.

>>33242434
Imagine you're watching the news sometime in 1998

>Clinton's still getting impeached, what a drag
>Looks like that WW2 movie with Tom Hanks might be pretty good
>Then there's a little throwaway story about an outbreak of something in Moscow
>Footage of gurneys being wheeled down hospital hallways, that sort of thing
>You go on an AOL chat-line to shitpost a little
>Someone's talking vague nonsense in broken English
>Saying something about people aspirating blood in Russia
>You get a little worried but immediately forget about it
>A few days later there are a few other small stories on the news
>Looks like an encephalitis outbreak in Dallas
>Then Los Angeles and New York and Atlanta
>Then virtually every major western city with an international airport has at least one flare-up
>Suddenly the outbreak story is the ONLY story
>People online are flipping the fuck out
>There are soldiers in Moscow, curfews and tanks rolling down the street
>Yeltsin hasn't been seen for a while
>You're watching lurid footage of people in hazmat suits swabbing dark patches of blood from hospital floors

And that's how it starts.

>>33242434
>chimera viruses
What the fuck does that even mean?

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>>33240356
I dont know whats worse, the fact that this thing had a prototype of it built or the thundering erection i get from imagining this crime against humanity in action

>>33240023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQGBBsLiP6w&index=1&list=PL5o8OlF7bBUy_MEhgsh2TNDXkcmhGSuZT

A great documentary on the entire SLAM project, if anyone's interested.

Man, Nuclear shit sure is interesting.

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>>33240433
I like the way you think.

it wouldn't be a doomsday weapon, but what if we mixed magnesium into napalm? small chunks of magnesium would ignite and act similarly to white phosphorous, and continue to burn extremely hot while being shat everywhere.

doomsday weapon:
>take saturn V
>payload calculations tell me that it could LEO a weight equivalent to 4 tsar bombas, but i bet it could throw more as an icbm that didn't orbit
>anyway
>4 tsar bombas at full 100mt yield with MIRV systems
>still leaves like 10 or 20 tons of room left over for decoys in the saturn V
>also ran size calculations and they would fit
>turn this into an icbm
>an icbm capable of either MIRVing 4 targets with 100mt warheads, hitting one target with 400mt of fuck you, or LEOing 400mts of fuck you and waiting for the moment to de-orbit them
>this could just sit in a silo indefinitely
>tfw not possible because all the paperclip'd guys who can actually build the fuckers are dead now
>it hurts

>>33248675
What would be the impact of a 400mt fuck-you strike on some enemy city? I imagine if you hit Moscow then you'd shatter windows all the way to the Pyrenees.

>>33248697
I don't even know, but krakatoa was 200mt, so imagine 2 krakatoas in the same place at the same time, so you're probably right.

>>33240356

The ultimate FUCK YOU weapon.

>We will destroy everything that crosses our path.
>We will convert your cities to dust.
>We will drop salt on your land for generations.
>And you will stand there watching us do what we please for even stopping us will result in a catastrophe that even the children of your children will still be sufering.

And the best part? The damn thing works, it can be made to be clean and sealed(so it doesn't drop radiation) or not.

And although the project was cancelled its guidance system was recycled for the Tomahawk so not everything was lost.

>>33248718
in fact, we could redo it today. and make it fucking better, even.
better guidance, longer range, better engine for more payload, all kinds of shit.
you could carry one per B52 if you outfitted it correctly, with 5 tons left for decoys and shit, meaning this fucker could go anywhere in the world. you could chrome dome with these and it would fucking work.
shit, it would be even better with a B70 valkyrie, with the delivery system almost as fast as the fucking payload.

>>33248700
I tried using NukeMap to simulate the blast, but their model only goes up to 100mt.

I ended up having to use an asteroid strike simulator to figure out what the impact of a 400mt object would have if it landed on top of Moscow.

According to the model I used (and this is accounting for an asteroid, not a nuke, so things would doubtlessly be different in real life) shit would get massively fucked up.

>3.6km wide crater
>You would be able to hear the blast from anywhere in continental Europe, and well into North Africa as well
>The explosion will generate tremors measuring 6.0 or above on the Richter scale for anyone closer than 1,000km from ground zero
>No data on the size of the fireball, which is one of the failings of using a model designed for asteroids, but I bet it would be massive

In short: according to my super sketchy and inaccurate math, about a quarter of humanity would be able to hear the fuck-you strike on Russia, and many of them would die in the process.

>>33240433

Thats not the true question.

The true questio is "What if we add a biological payload"?

The world is going into shit, so we could add ANTS to fuck up not only the nuked zone but also the entire ecology. So even if the survivors manage to grow plants they will have to face losing 60% of their crops every year due to plagues, not even becoming hunter-gatherers will do much because you will be destroying the trophic chain from the bottom, making big herbivores starve and leaving only the small ones that can't serve to support the huge waves of survivors.

Drop prions near their livestock so it dies and they won't be even able to resort to necrophagy or canibalism without dying in months(yeah, they won't notice until they start dropping dead), introduce malaria near lakes and swamps, provoke algae blossoms so the toxins contaminate the entire trophic chain; from fish to molluscs and not even the coast becomes a place to rebuild society and lastly introduce bats as ebola vectors so not even caves will be a safe place.

By doing this the future generations will only know a world of even more sickness and hunger magnifying the effects of the radiation.

>>33248746
scaling 4x from 100mt, we have
>12 mile fireball
>radiation cloud of 3200x600mi
>mushroom cloud that would probably reach space
>i'm assuming at least a year of nuclear winter with a detonation that big, maybe even longer, assuming nuclear winter is true
with that much yield, I don't even think the benefits of airburst (that being wider destruction range, due to the earth not sucking up energy) wouldn't even be worth it. just ground burst all of the fuckers.

Recreational SLAMs when?

>>33241488
Huh guess the nazi scientists came up with this one

>>33243559
One of the main problems that lead to its cancellation was the fact that with materials technology at the time the temp the reactor ran at and the temp the missile would literally melt were only a few degrees apart so if it ever ran too hot you'd have a huge piece of supersonic nuclear slag.

>>33248675
>hitting one target with 400mt of fuck you,
The explosion of the first warhead would destroy the other two.
The Saturn V would not work in a silo.

>>33248779
Or using the same material in the Tsar Bomb, I could build about 80-100 warheads with a yield of about 100 Kt.
Thats a lot more destructive.

>>33249291
let me dream, anon

>>33249318
fair point, and you are correct, but still, 100mt mirvs would be really goddamn awesome.

I'm not gonna say that my idea isn't colossally fucking retarded but I am gonna stick by my point that if it could work, it would be really fucking cool.

>>33249336
It could work. It would be cool.

>>33244386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFqBxqfn85U

>>33249244
As if a supersonic nuclear slag missile isnt an acceptable outcome in that situation.

>>33241488
Nazis next war doctrine?

>>33248746
>>33248779
Nuclear effects get weird in the very high MT range. Doubling the yield 100 to 200 MT isn't the same as simply doubling the effect.

In the case of a 400MT burst, things get strange quickly. The fireball has a minimum radius of 5km, and various factors could push that as high as nearly 8km. Let that sink in for a moment. The fireball will be nearly 8km wide and persist for nearly a minute in the fireball state.

In terms of overpressure, at roughly 5psi the blast will flatten un-reinforced buildings.The 5psi pressure zone stretches for 50km. Reinforced structures would be leveled as far as 30km out from ground zero. At 3psi, people are likely to be badly injured by the pressure wave. The 3psi zone stretches out 70km. Furthermore, the blast would shatter everyone's windows within 150km and probably be able to be heard several hundred kilometers beyond that..

None of this includes the worst part, fire. You could get 3rd degree burns from this detonation as far away as 130km. Closer than that, pretty much everything would start on fire spontaneously. Heat effects get even weirder closer in, within 40km pretty much everything will be heated up to several thousand degrees very quickly.

Nevermind the fact that the blast would throw a measurable percentage of our atmosphere off into space.

This isn't the worst doomsday weapon in this thread, but if you absolutely have to fuck everything in an area the size of a small country, then this will work.

>>33249721
holy shit anon, thanks for the info
I never realized what hellspawn I had created
any idea of how far the radiation would spread? I know it depends on wind, but any theories?
also, how tall would the mushroom cloud be? same height as tsar bomba? more?

>>33249721
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

>the bomb had a yield of 57 megaton TNT

>The bomb was dropped from an altitude of 10.5 km (6.5 mi)
>The fireball reached nearly as high as the altitude of the release plane and was visible at almost 1,000 km (620 mi) away from where it ascended.

>The mushroom cloud was about 64 km (40 mi) high (over seven times the height of Mount Everest), which meant that the cloud was above the stratosphere and well inside the mesosphere when it peaked.

>The cap of the mushroom cloud had a peak width of 95 km (59 mi) and its base was 40 km (25 mi) wide.[21][22]

>All buildings in the village of Severny (both wooden and brick), located 55 km (34 mi) from ground zero within the Sukhoy Nos test range, were destroyed.

>In districts hundreds of kilometers from ground zero wooden houses were destroyed, stone ones lost their roofs, windows and doors, and radio communications were interrupted for almost one hour.

>One participant in the test saw a bright flash through dark goggles and felt the effects of a thermal pulse even at a distance of 270 kilometres (170 mi)

>A shock wave was observed in the air at Dikson settlement 700 km (430 mi) away; windowpanes were partially broken to distances of 900 kilometres (560 mi)

>Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage at even greater distances, breaking windows in Norway and Finland

>Despite being detonated 4.2 km above ground, its seismic body wave magnitude was estimated at 5–5.25.[9][20] Sensors continued to identify the shockwaves after their third trip around the world

you probably need to talk to someone like oppenheimer, your calculations seem.. off

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>>33240433

>>33249746
>any idea of how far the radiation would spread? I know it depends on wind, but any theories?
Just the direct ionizing radiation from the blast would be pretty much instantly lethal out to 7-8 km, but you clearly have worse problems that close in (the overpressure alone is over 100psi at that range). The fallout is much harder to define, since it depends on the type of burst. A purely airburst weapon would have negligible fallout, but a surface burst would spread shit thousands of miles downwind from it. Impossible to know really, and this is not even considering methods that would make the bomb have more fallout.

>also, how tall would the mushroom cloud be? same height as tsar bomba? more?
You start to reach the limits of mushroom clouds. Because the weapon is so large the top of the cloud would probably start to reach so high up that there isn't enough air for a coherent cloud to form. Nevermind the fact that being close enough to see the cloud is a death sentence, but you would probably be able to see a stem and then a thin wispy smear of smoke near where the top of the cap should be.

Also, I forgot to mention that this weapon would destroy a pretty significant portion of the ozone layer as an added bonus.

>>33249758
Nuclear effects don't scale linearly but yes, the calculations I used are probably off. They are probably more like the minimum effects you would be expected to observe. We are dealing with weapons of such a scale that it is mostly hypothetical anyways. Nevertheless, it gives you a shorthand idea for the sheer destruction that the bomb would cause at a minimum.

>>33249839
we can always just build another tsar bomba, and use that as the starting charge for an even larger bomb. drop it in siberia and document the effects.

>>33249872
Salt it with cobalt for even more planet killing lolz

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This thread is making me really, fucking diamonds right now.

This is the single most confused boner I've ever had.

>>33249746
>>33249811

>any idea of how far the radiation would spread? I know it depends on wind, but any theories?
Given the size of the fireball, it would be next to impossible for it to be anything other than a ground burst.
For our purposes, we are going to set it off on the ground.

Lethal fallout would extend in a fan shape for about 250 km and cover an area downwind of about 60,000 to 80,000 square km. This area would shrink rather quickly, but anything out in the open in this area from about T>.5 hr to T>2 hr from initial fallout arrival would have a 90% mortality rate.
Beyond that, there would be a 2 million sq km area with fallout that would be 50% lethal after 5 hours of exposure.

90 days after the detonation, 63 million sq kilometers would have a level of fallout intense enough to cause 40% of the people inside of it to die within 5 years.
Thats 1/8th of the Earths surface.

>also, how tall would the mushroom cloud be? same height as tsar bomba? more?
It would probably cause the Mesosphere to bulge upwards under the influence of the heat and energy several tens of km into the thermosphere.

>>33248473
An animal lifeform that is the combination of 2 (or more) other normally incompatible ones. In this case it's about the combination of two distinct virii that have almost nothing in common.

>>33250037
>63 million sq kilometers
Just for comparison, the US is about 11 million km2

>>33250037
>this fucking weapon
>not only would it be used during doomsday, only like 2 dozen of them would cause a global extinction
>the doomsday weapon to end all doomsday weapons
what do you name something with such glorious power?

>>33250055
>what do you name something with such glorious power?
The Babylon Weapon.

>>33250037
>Given the size of the fireball, it would be next to impossible for it to be anything other than a ground burst.
>For our purposes, we are going to set it off on the ground.

this may work against you, the tsar bomba was so powerful it's shockwave actually bounced off the ground and blunted the majority of impact against the ground. there wasn't nearly enough fallout generated as models predicted.

your best bet would probably be detonating one, airburst, right up against a mountain with a relatively soft top. whatever is opposite the mountain gets fucked up.

if you could find a valley with a small peak in the middle you could also probably detonate two at once and hope that the combined shockwave would propel a lot of shit up at 4-5 km/s

>>33250055
We could actually conceivably go bigger than 400MT. I was just using that arbitrarily based on some anon's post. A 1Gt (1000Mt or 1000000kt) weapon is possible.

Hell the world's nuclear stockpile is between 2-6 GT (counting operational and non-operation stockpiles). If we touched that all off at once it would be a hell of a boom.

>>33250074
>two 400Mt nuclear bombs optimized to create fallout

my god what have we done

>>33240356
ITT we think a fucking missile is the next .22lr for sheer damage

Dumbasses

>>33250103
it would probably be a good idea to do it right after it's rained too, i'm no geologist but i'm pretty sure you would have an actual cloud of wet, soggy, irradiated topsoil heading a few 100s of km downrange. and that's after the thermal effect and the shockwave hits you

besides, the tsar bomba shockwave was detected going multiple times around the world, right?

why not detonate multiple bombs in strategic areas so that you'd have (roughly) coordinated shockfront collisions over enemy bases? hit Moscow, hit London, Berlin gets flattened, all of europe is irradiated and there's a radio blackout over all of europe

>>33250074
With this, the thermal pulse is such that a significant portion of the crater will be produced by the vaporization of the rock.
By the time the shockwave arrives, it is slamming into a rapidly expanding cloud of rock vapor.
This actually pushes the vapor out of the way, allowing more thermal energy to hit the advancing thermal pulse.

>detonating one, airburst, right up against a mountain
This is by definition, a ground burst.

>>33250131
I doubt rain would do much, the intense heat turns everything to fire anyways.

>why not detonate multiple bombs in strategic areas so that you'd have (roughly) coordinated shockfront collisions over enemy bases? hit Moscow, hit London, Berlin gets flattened, all of europe is irradiated and there's a radio blackout over all of europe
You are coming to the same conclusions as strategic nuclear planners did in the cold war, why only use one? More dakka is always better.

This is how we get to war plans involving thousands of warheads level of overkill

>>33250131
Moisture in the air causes the fallout to precipitate out quicker. It causes more intense fallout, but it is less widespread.

>>33250149
>I doubt rain would do much,
Humidity has a major impact on fallout propagation.


>This is how we get to war plans involving thousands of warheads level of overkill
Well, really it was target proliferation.

>>33250103
Made a cool weapon

>>33250131
how heavy do you think such a weapon would be?
nuke shit doesnt scale linearly, so it's not like we can just say it would be 4x tsar bomba in weight. however, the US, in 1961, said that it could make a weapon of 100Mt yield that only weighed 15 tons. Now, I would assume this is more than a little optimistic, so I'm gonna say 20 tons for every 100Mt.
which brings us in at an 80 ton weapon, again, assuming this would scale linearly, so, I would say that this would be anywhere from 80-100 tons in weight. that's the weight of a fucking locomotive.
and, assuming they would fit, a Saturn V could carry two of these motherfuckers with 30 tons left over for other shit, going off of its LEO payload capacity estimate.

god fucking damn.

>>33250161
>Well, really it was target proliferation.
And redundancy when delivery systems were inaccurate and vulnerable.

>>33250161
hey opp, you on your lunch break?

how does accounting for humidity in nuclear strike planning work? is fallout propagation a secondary concern? do plans change depending on the weather?

>>33250134
good point.

>>33250190
isn't that approaching a backyard bomb anyway? just put it on a ship and send it to the nearest shore of your target

>>33250215
>isn't that approaching a backyard bomb anyway
somewhat, it's only a 1/16th backyard bomb, as a true one would destroy the earth or all of its life completely.
however, with a 40% mortality rate in the fallout zone covering 1/8th of the earths surface, with like 4 dozen of these overlapping their detonation points to increase radiation levels in each of them, we would be extremely if not past a total worldwide extinction.

this weapon could feasibly wipe out all known life in the fucking universe. just think about that.

>>33250215
>isn't that approaching a backyard bomb anyway?

Fun fact, they expected the big one, 10Gt yield, to weigh at least 1600 tons.

>>33250190
>so I'm gonna say 20 tons for every 100Mt.
>which brings us in at an 80 ton weapon, again, assuming this would scale linearly, so, I would say that this would be anywhere from 80-100 tons in weight. that's the weight of a fucking locomotive.
Max theoretical was about 11 Kt/kg.

So in theory, our 400 Mt bomb weighs a bit over 36 tons.

>>33250215
>how does accounting for humidity in nuclear strike planning work? is fallout propagation a secondary concern? do plans change depending on the weather?
Fallout is not really significant from an offensive standpoint. It is mostly the concern for the defender for post attack recovery. FEMA gets weather info twice a day from NWS and puts it in a computer system that is used to calculate weapon effects.


>isn't that approaching a backyard bomb anyway?
You could probably deliver it using a C-17.
Maybe even two.

>>33250292
>the fucking one shot world ender only weighs a nimitz and a half
that's much lower than i expected, honestly

>>33250304
goddammit, I confused the weight with the length.
so, 1/100th of a nimitz is the weight of the world ender. that's fucking insane.

>>33250298
>So in theory, our 400 Mt bomb weighs a bit over 36 tons.
I was just trying to give a little bit more realistic weight, but what the hell.
going off of that number, with a C5 Galaxy's maximum payload of 291k lbs, and the bombs weight of 72k lbs, you could carry, theoretically, assuming they would fit, four of these fuckers in a C5.
so, with a dozen C5s, you could have a chrome dome force capable of ending all known life.
ain't that some shit?

>>33250292
90 Metric tons is probably more in line with the theoretical max.

>>33250298
>Max theoretical was about 11 Kt/kg.
Isn't it lower for thermonuclear weapons? Nuclear secrecy had a post stating that the max practical that had been achieved was about 6kt/kg. That gets our bomb to a hefty 66 or so tons, but that is still manageable.

>>33250321
We never even got close to the theoretical max, barely even half if nuclear secrecy is right. If you have sources otherwise I would love to see and be corrected.

>>33250319
>goddammit, I confused the weight with the length.
>so, 1/100th of a nimitz is the weight of the world ender. that's fucking insane.

You could easily put it on a cargo ship and sail it to your target. Not that it matters

>>33250321
I think your math is wrong, it would be 900 metric tons at the theoretical max. Still big, but not that big.

>>33250298
i've been wondering, what would happened if you dropped a bunch of small nukes (i don't know, 20 kt) for the entire length of the EU's seaboard such that no area along the seaboard is not at least 3 psi overpressured?

would it kill everyone in europe?

>>33250319
>I was just trying to give a little bit more realistic weight,
Working off what the US actually achieved (about 7.5 kg per kt) the 100 Mt US device would be about 13 tons, the 400 Mt device would be about 60 tons.
The 10 Gt device would be closer to 1500 tons.


>>33250342
>Nuclear secrecy had a post stating that the max practical that had been achieved was about 6kt/kg.
I haven't read that, but the US had a theoretical max of 11 kg per Kiloton after 1962.

>>33250349
>barely even half if nuclear secrecy is right.
We were pretty confident about getting to 7.5 kg per kiloton. 11 kg was a theoretical max, which is what we were talking about, right?

I think if a nuclear incident happened it would come out of the blue and only true prepper would be ready from what they have supplied themselves. Lock down the fort and hold your ground.

>>33250369
Yeah dropped a 0.

>>33250396
shit, 60 tons? that's not even anything, most railcars payload is 100t.
the more we talk about this, the more feasible it gets, and the more terrified and erect I become.

>>33250417
>Isn't it lower for thermonuclear weapons?
Well the problem actually isn't the weight. Its the diameter of the primary.
But since this is a theoretical exercise, I think weight is out most critical metric. If we get into physical size I would probably not have anything to say.

>>33250372
The 3psi radius for a 20kt nuke isn't that much. Only 2-3km. You would need a prohibitively large number of nuclear weapons to cover the whole of the coastline. Back of the napkin calculations suggest that, given that the EU coast is about 66 000 km long, you would need maybe 10000 nukes.

>>33250438
Sorry. Wrong quote. Let me fix that.

>>33250417
>the more feasible it gets,
Well the problem actually isn't the weight. Its the diameter of the primary.
But since this is a theoretical exercise, I think weight is out most critical metric. If we get into physical size I would probably not have anything to say.

>>33247682
Naw, I was being an autist in a good thread. Just cuz the stormfags and edgelords ruin /k/ doesnt mean I gotta.

Been on here since 2012, theres a really creepy sorta critter stalking about on the boards that legitimatley thinks this place is a staging ground for thier /pol/ horseshit and its ruined /k/.

>>33250396
We can agree to split the difference. Anywhere between 6kt/kg and 11kt/kg is probably close enough for the purposes of these posts. Even then, we still get a not very heavy weapons. 35-65 tons is within the realm of a deliverable weapons system

>>33250445
physical size wise, I'd imagine it would be roughly the size of the interior of a boxcar, and a large tube shape, not unlike the shrimp device

>>33250055
>punchline
>coda
>planet buster

>>33250440
>10,000 nukes
are modern small nukes very dirty? because that sounds like it would not be fun for anyone downwind

>>33250469
>By 1962, after the Dominic series, they thought they might be able to pull off 50 Mt in only a 4,500 kg (10,000 lb) package — a kind of ridiculous 11 kt/kg ratio.

http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/12/23/kilotons-per-kilogram/

>>33250475
>attach small rocket to it
>AGM-666 "Portable Sunshine"

>>33250472
>I'd imagine it would be roughly the size of the interior of a boxcar, and a large tube shape, not unlike the shrimp device
Much bigger.

>>33250491
>they thought
sure, I don't dispute the theoretical maximum, I was just saying the practical maximum that was reached was 6kt/kg.

>>33250472
It would more likely be a large sphere based on what I have read, but I could be wrong.

>>33250498
I can't imagine it getting over the size of a medium-large fishing trawler for it only being like ~50 tons.

>>33248461
Sounds like an alternate version of "The Stand" by stephen king.

If you havent read it I highly reccomend you do so.

US made super-flu gets released on accident, has a 99.9% kill rate. US government panics and releases it in china and russia too to prevent it becoming apparent that we created it.

99.9% of the worlds population dies, but it takes a while and all hell breaks loose. Theres one scene where soldiers and deserters are having a firefight back and forth across the berkley college campus randomly mowing down panicked students caught in between who thought it would be a good time to show up with picket signs.

Everyone is terminally ill and just staggering around slaughtering eachother. Its a great scene.

>>33250508
>I don't dispute the theoretical maximum,
Sorry. Someone was here: >>33250342

>>33248746
Any detonation over 100mt is wasted cuz the fireball is ejected into space. Thats why they quit building super-heavies like that. You eventually get a bomb too big to be contained by the atmosphere and waste the extra megatonnage.

>>33250476
I'm no expert in fallout, >>33250161 might know better. However, if they are airbursts it could be pretty clean on the level of an individual nuke. When you scale it up to 10000 more of less simultaneous detonations though all bets are off

>>33250529
That was me, but I didn't say the theoretical was impossible, just we hadn't reached it.

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>let use Apollo to put a giant mirror in orbit
>it will let us light up the ground like its a full moon every single night
>this is cheaper than improving night vision XD

>>33250544
>just we hadn't reached it.
I understand. thats why its called theoretical, though, right?

>>33250542
There is no real reason we couldn't build a 400Mt bomb, it just isn't the most useful way to distribute 400Mt's to targets.

This thread is great. Keep /k/ classy gents

>>33250568
needs more cobalt

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>>33240023
http://www.ausairpower.net/Hi-Alt-Nuke-Imagery.html
more of an inadvertent doomsday
but I don't trust them to mess with the ionosphere

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>>33250567
Oh I didnt say it COULDNT be done. Theres quite literally no upper limit to the yield a device can have. As long as you chain enough detonation sequences together with enough fissile and fusile matierial you can keep going bigger.

But such a device would eventually limit itself in terms of damage because it would just punch a hole through the atmosphere into space.

100mt seems to be about the limit of a "practical" warhead we can use in our atmosphere.

But yeah, you are right, the most efficient way to deliver such a yield in terms of use as a weapon would be to distribute the yield across several warheads in a MIRV.

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Holy shit we're fucking monsters...

>>33250637
Were on the verge of interstellar travel too.

Maybe theres races out there looking on in dawning horror as we get closer and closer to finding them.

Maybe this part of the galaxy isnt empty, maybe it was evacuated.

>>33250633
>Theres quite literally no upper limit to the yield a device can have
this is perhaps what scares me most about the cold war. I am amazed they didn't build the gigaton planet killers even though they could have

>>33250637
We haven't even got to the level of cracking the earths crust bro, this is nothing.

>>33250652
What do ya think it would take to literally break a continent?

>>33250652
>We haven't even got to the level of cracking the earths crust bro, this is nothing.
speaking of, how much nuke would we need to do this?

>>33250651
>tfw won't live long enough to remove xeno with gigaton weapons from the comfort of a spacefleet
it hurts

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Or you could go the other way with a weaponized Saturn V? Wiki says she can carry 261,000 pounds to LEO. How about insead of four giant bombs you spread the love? B61s are 700 pounds each @ 50kt per. That's an approximate payload of 370 weapons an 18,750kt -or- 108 B83s @ 1.2mt each.

The Saturn V Ultra-MIRV edition.

>>33250637
Beauty and Horror aren't mutually exclusive.

>>33250679
holy shit that's great.
can't B61s be dialed up to some retarded shit like 200kt? I thought they were adjustable yield.

>>33250689
>I thought they were adjustable yield.
They are

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>>33250557

One of the interesting things about this is none of the documents mention an actual target, but they frequently mention aiming it at 15 degrees north.

Imagine being a vietcong looking up into the sky and seeing this thing every single night.

>>33250697
wiki says max yield for them is 350kt.
meaning, 129,500kt combined over 370 weapons, or, as it should be written, a combined payload of 129.5Mt.

>>33250677
Actually, read up on the fields of biotech and nanotech.

We might be the generation that lives to see immortality. Not even scifi fluff, were on the verge of cheap manufactured organs and nano-medicine.

Some field experts are predicting 15 to 20 years before life extension becomes a real thing and about 40 years before you can just download yourself into a nanomechanical replacement body.

>inb4 only for rich people

If you live forever you literally have all the time in the world to pay it off. A russian billionaire has already created a Ford model T style buisiness plan where upon recieving your immortal body you have 300 years to pay off the 3 million it will cost, which is about $10,000 a year.

The singularity will atleast begin in our lifetimes, its in the realm of possibility you and I will live to see space battles against xenos fought by post-human nano-augmented cyborgs.

>>33250679
fuck saturn v, go full design ITS

expendable is 1,210,000 pounds to LEO

reusable is 660,000 pounds to LEO, but that allows you to do a RTLS, which in the stated design would allow you to mount another warhead bus onto the thing, refuel it, and launch it again

>>33250676
>>33250677
The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs is estimate to have released the energy equivalent to about a 100 000 gigaton of nuclear explosion.

That is 100 teratons. I don't think we could engineer a weapon that big. Even at max efficiency we are talking about a 9 MILLION ton bomb.

Don't know if this qualifies as cracking the crust, but it's a start.

>>33250740
could you do a peck drilling method of dropping small (relatively) nukes into the same area to slowly blow away crust to get through it?
I don't know why you'd do that, I just wanna know if its possible.

>>33250732
Without being an expert, I am skeptical about the singularity in our lifetimes meme.

>>33250736
be better to use expendable spec since a weapon like that is designed to be used in a time where you may not be long enough to re-arm the thing.

>>33250751
Maybe if we started at the bottom of Marianas trench, but the engineering hurdles of the extreme pressure and depth would cause problems. Otherwise fallout would be a problem

>>33250756
Its possible though. In any case were probably gonna nuke ourselves back to the 1800's in the next few decades, and that could be pretty neat to see too.

>>33250751
Possible yes.

>>33248505

This guy

>>33250797
Quantum computing is a thing now, even in the 90's they thought we wouldnt have that for another 40 years or so.

We actually already have the hardware that could support strong AI even without quantum computing, its the software we gotta develop.

>>33250828
What does that have to do with this: >>33250751

>>33250764
so with expendable, assuming you just wanted to launch all nukes into LEO (it takes a lot less fuel to get on a suborbital trajectory, so in a realistic scenario all numbers for range would probably be higher)...

504 B83s, so 604 MT of bang.

some quick shitty use of the nukemap thing gives a 17.4 km radius for 1.5 psi overpressure, double that so 34.8 km between nukes

area is 951 km^2 of bang per nuke, that * 504 gives 479,304 km^2 of bang with the entire arsenal, which is 1.34 Germany's

it's 5 in the morning and i'm tired as hell so my calculations are probably off but that should be within an order of magnitude

>>33250865
1.34 germany's is less than I expected in terms of nuclear carpet bombing capability, but, if these were deployed like ICBMs, we would have a shitload of them so it's kind of a moot point.
thanks for the math, anon

>>33250764
>>33250865
oh and according to wikipedia the US strategic arsenal has 547 MT of cumulative megatonnage

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>space battleship
>powered by nuclear bombs

>>33240023
You realize that flying at mach three puts so much stress on the airframe that the SR 71 was leaking fuel like a motherfucker each time after landing? And you want to let that fly at 300 feet altitude instead of 80.000?

That thing would shake apart after minutes in the air and drop the live nuclear reactor on California.
>Implying anyone would mind

>>33250914
at least with the SLAM, you only had to worry about it surviving one and its only trip, not continual transonic speed transitions not to mention altitude changes like an SR71 would experience.

>>33250914
>You realize that flying at mach three puts so much stress on the airframe that the SR 71 was leaking fuel like a motherfucker each time after landing
Thats not why it leaked fuel.
It leaked fuel because it had thermal expansion gaps in the structure.

>>33250838
Using strong AI we could design weapons orders of magnitude more complex.

The next round of superweapons will be AI directed nano swarms that render stuff like nukes obsolete.

>>33250914
>so much stress on the airframe that the SR 71 was leaking fuel like a motherfucker each time after landing?

that had nothing to do with stress on the airframe

it was because of expansion joints

>>33250938
I was referring to the possibility of using nuclear weapons to dig a hole into the mantle.

I'm afraid I dont follow.

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>how to put 4000 tons in orbit
>a shitload of nukes

>>33250928
>you only had to worry about it surviving one and its only trip,
wrong-trump.jpg
You also have to worry about how you store it until you use it - live nuclear reactors are not to be joked with. >>33250936

>It leaked fuel because it had thermal expansion gaps in the structure.
Thermal expansion from air friction, at 80.000 feet.
Now imagine the thermal expansion from air friction at 300 feet.
Dont they teach what air density is in murrican schools?

>>33250971
>Thermal expansion from air friction, at 80.000 feet.
You were stating that the aircraft leaked fuel because of stress on the air frame while flying.

You are incorrect. It was designed to leak fuel. When it was flying, the heat caused the air frame to expand, sealing the leaks.

Perhaps you should read a book. Do they have books in your country? If so, I could recommend one so you could educate yourself.

>>33251012
Thermal expansion is stress on the air framce, thermal stress in this case.

>It was designed to leak fuel, h-honest, dont look at me with those accusing eyes!
:^)

>>33250971
>air friction

Most of it is caused by pressure

>>33251029
So you do need me to educate you?

>>33251031
>American education

Pressure itself only causes heat when it's so high that hydrogen fusion starts.

>>33251029
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130701-tales-from-the-blackbird-cockpit

>The plane was purposely designed to leak fuel: "The fuel tanks are the skin of the airplane. If you rap on this airplane, the fuel tank is on the other side. There's no internal fuel tanks. Because of the expansion and contraction cycles [due to heating and cooling of the aircraft at different speeds] it sometimes leaked and dropped from underneath the airplane. It was measured in Drops Per Minute – DPMs we called them – and maintenance used a stopwatch and counted them, and in certain locations on the aircraft there are acceptable and unacceptable Drips Per Minute."

>The plane was purposely designed to leak fuel

> purposely designed to leak fuel

>designed to leak


Now come back and tell everyone you are sorry for being incorrect.

>>33251094
>BBC
>Government run propaganda mouthpiece of a nation occupied by the USA.

Try harder.

>recaptcha messing with me
They want to prevent me from revealing the truth.

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>>33251077

love this meme

>>33251140
Or maybe they think you are as retarded as the rest of us.

>fastest plane in human history
>missiles cant catch it
>not one crashed or shot down ever
>collected incredibly detailed intel more up to date than satellites of the time could for decades

"Oh yeah it must be a piece of shit because I dont know how to form interesting opinions so Im just arbitrarily contrarian"
-you

>>33251179
>crashed
Several did.

>>33251140
Oh. You are a moron. I see. Carry on then.

>>33251150
Jew Physics #fakenews

>>33251150
This is lacking the word "pressure" or any implication of it while friction is implied by multiple words.
>fluid behavior
>freestream temperature
>increasing Mach number
>fluid temperature
>high speed flow
etc

You get more friction per unit of distance in a more dense environment, like at 300 feet as opposed to an environment with very low pressure, like 80.000 feet.

>>33251179
Norks with monkey model SAMs operated by rice farmers nearly shot one down over Korea.

>>33251216
This from a guy who thinks the BBC is in a conspiracy with the USG to cover up leaking fuel tanks in a jet that was retired eighteen years ago.

>>33251216
>stagnation region
>boundary layer
>has nothing to do with pressure!!!!

>>33251233
>eighteen years ago.
The secret stuff which happened during Kennedys presidency is only right now getting released, the UK government still has not granted full access to its WW1 archives to historians.

>>33251255
Thats not an argument.

>>33251275
Because you decided so?

It shows just how much the governments value their secrets.

>>33251250
Or

>wasn't designed to leak
>Pilot and wing commander of the plane say it was.
>BBC IS RUN BY ILLUMINATI WIZARDS USING LIZARD JEW MAGIC! YOU SHOULD BE WOKE AS ME

>>33251287
You haven't provided any evidence to support your claim and the leaks were not intentionally designed.

You have been given a statement by someone with expertise in the subject and rather than address the information in the article, you attack the source.


Provide an argument that supports your position.

>>33251313
>http://www.abroadintheyard.com/historic-files-still-closed-under-the-100-year-rule/
>French mutinies
>Abdication of King Edward VII
>Profile of JFK
>Sinking of Lancastria
>Rudolf Hess
>Sinking of German refugee ships

>>33251378
I don't see anything about the SR-71.

You apparently have no actual supporting facts.

>>33243847
Kekd hard

>>33251378
Oh I get it.

We are just making stuff up. Fun!

So, the real story is that the idea that the fuel tanks were flawed was planted by cybernetic midgets from Venus who were here to capture Buckaroo Banzai, not knowing that he was a fictional character.

While here, they were captured by the BBC secret SEAL force and sent to German run Soviet gulags. There Lockheed forced them to work on the SR-71, because they turned out to be expert aeronautical engineers. They broke out thanks to the help of a time traveling Grover Cleveland, and out of spite started the rumor about the fuel tanks.

The story was picked up by the NSA who wanted to embarrass the CIA so they spread the story. Later, it was all retroactively classified by Steven Segal when he became President. NAS mind wiping tech is used to reinforce this false history.
The more evidence you don't find actually proves this to be true.


That story I just told has the exact same amount of evidence as yours.

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>>33244022
>t. kremlin stooge

>>33250651
>its not empty its evacuated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcPqk-O-fD4

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>>33241422
Bains?

>>33251225
Missing by 1.2 miles doesnt count as a hit.

Thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI

This is a comfy thread

>>33250047
A chimera is multicellular, though. An organism with heterogeneous genome throughout it's tissues - some cells with one genome, some cells with another. Incompatibility has nothing to do with it.

A virus isn't multicellular, though. It can be transgenic, but not chimeric.

>>33251378
>Unsurprisingly, details of the participants’ physical and psychological fitness, family background, career development, marriages and divorces, even the “hanging length” of their scrotum

hope I'm alive when we find out how far JFKs ball hung

>hundreds of years into the future
>humanity meets a hostile alien race
>devastation war ensues
>humanity revives all this old 70s doomsday tech in a last ditch attempt against the alien home world to win the war
>and that's why we have an alien slave son, and don't you forget that

Someone should cap the nuclear part of this thread and put a magical place over it

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>lets add even more engines to the b-36
>and make them nuclear

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>>33251743
>2040
>first contact with aliens is established via long distance communications
>things go well until the subject of war is brought up
>"its just, you humans seem so primitive with their watlike motives"
>the line is quiet for an uncomfortable length of time
>"h-hello, are you still there humannit-"
>a voice choked with barley contained rage interrupts
>"YOU TALKIN SHIT M8"
>"non, no we just said that-"
>"CUZ IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YER HAVIN A GIGGLE"
>"please, allow us to rephrase our thoughts"
>"YOU THINK THIS IS A FUCKIN GAME MOTHER FUCKER!"
>the line goes dead
>"well that was unproductive"
>centuries go by
>the races of the galaxy forget about the strange angry people they spoke to
>but humanity does not forget
>spurred by their rage the nations of the world unite to begin building the tech they need to give those uptight space-cunts the what-for
>tech advances, humanity unlocks faster than light travel and countless other secrets of the universe fueled by pure unrelenting hatred
>on the 400th year of the now forgotten day of first contact a thousand human ships violently rape their way across the fabric of space and time seemingly exploding into existence in the skies of the race that contacted us
>the peaceful aliens are helpless, they never evolved even the concept of violence, let alone armed conflict or genocide
>millions of nuclear payloads stream from thousands of ships
>as the 100 megaton detonations vaporise the horizon the screaming aliens look upon the true face of god as he roars his name into the irradiated skies
>WAR
>the human ships carve a giant messege into the surface of the planet with the nuclear craters
>upon translation the other races of the galaxy read the messege
>in all capital letters written across continents of burning irradiated cities reads the rhetorical question
>"ANYONE ELSE WANNA TALK SHIT?"

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>>33251743
I have always maintained that not maintaining a stockpile of Casaba-Howitzer warheads is one of humanities greatest mistakes.

>>33251951
Right?

Vaporise those space faggots before they even get as close as mars.

Plus being able to one-shot a carrier group with a fuckhuge particle beam from space is always useful.

>>33247287
What would be the point

Even though they'd be pretty useless and prohibitively expensive so long as we have a standing nuclear arsenal, I've always liked the idea of Rods From God

>ISIS fucking around in some fortified area
>Taking it would kill an awful lot of people
>Not too many civilians around
>Some general makes a call to the Pentagon
>A satellite platform in geosynchronous orbit releases a single tungsten rod, about the size of a telephone pole
>The rod streaks through the atmosphere, glowing white hot as it approaches the ground
>Hits ISIS position with the force of eight tons of dynamite
>The impact shatters windows for a hundred miles
>ISIS btfo, literally

And there's the side benefit of it being radiation free. Again, extremely expensive (and questionably legal under the Outer Space Treaty), but super cool.

>>33252444
it doesn't work like that
>releases rod

>>33246769
>If they couldnt shoot down the SR-71

Fuck you, the SR-71 never flew over the USSR because they could shoot it down easily.

>>33246769
>Ivan had SAMs that could shoot down the SR-71 pretty much right when it was built.

It never flew much over the USSR. China, yes, Koreak, yes, but the Soviets were safe from the Blackbird. Of course they get that all mixed up on the History Channel.

>>33252444
>Releases a single tungsten rod
>Release

Brianna, please stop posting on /k/

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>>33252667
Yeah, the airforce learned that the hard way with the U2.

>>33240356

When you get down to it though, this is basically an eight-year-old's equivalent idea of a MIRV-armed ICBM.

>>33250055
"Benis".

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>>33252667
>China, yes
Actually no, they never (intentionally) flew the SR-71 over China either. The D-21 was developed specifically to go where they weren't willing to send SR-71s.

They did outsource some strategic reconnaissance to the Black Cat Squadron though, in fucking U-2s. Crazy CHINATs were getting massacred by CHICOM SA-2s but the maniacs kept at it anyways.

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>>33248675
>>33249721

>400MT
How quaint.

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Just strap a nuke on it.

>>33253736
How the fuck do you expect that to fit on a goddamn rocket though?

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>>33253257
Just look at this thing, its like a drone and a cruise missile all rolled into one.

How much ya wanna bet somebody didnt atleast try to figure out how to put a nuclear paykoad on one.

>>33253771
They put a nuke on a rocket launcher. Wouldn't surprise me.

>>33253812
Talkin' about the Davy Crockett? Pretty sure that's a recoilless rifle.

>>33250651

my favorite kind of like alternate history shit is where humans are like some sort of scourge that some ayylmaos are trying to contain

>the year is 2060
>some shitty alien in Alpha Centauri is monitoring Earth for whatever reason
>notices something appearing on the subspace scan
>a FTL ship travelling through a forbidden quadrant
>calls in his supervisor
>the humans have escaped quarantine
>galactic federation put on high alert, creatures that detonate nuclear weapons in their atmosphere and literally kill each other for no reason other than square kilometers worth of land are space faring

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>>33253812
Seems like a very early attempt at hypersonic delivery vehicle to me.

Im not buying this "camera drone" story. Seems like an excuse to launch shit at russia and china see if we could put something in their airspace undetected.

>>33244422
ayyyyyyy nice dubs friendo.

>>33254011
>humans
>first known contact resulted in disaster
>men wielding weaponized version of emergency autocraft safety deceleration cushion ignition assembly modified to shoot lead slugs wiped out 2 scout craft, then mounted the contact crew onto local flora
>later weaponized fission technology for the purpose of wiping their own out over a difference in facial structure
>shortly after did it again
>drafted plans to detonate nuclear device on their own moon to intimidate, later revised plans to put their own on moon instead
>proceeded to almost destroy selves with said nuclear devices
>contact status: monitor until interplanetary species, copy weapons technology for operation BLUFF if necessary

>>33254022
It was the early 60s.

Photos of Chinese nuclear facilities were rather important and rather hard to get.

>>33254158
>implying it wasn't both
shit dude, think about it
>hey yeah we have this stealth rocket thing that can fly really fucking fast over enemy airspace
>great lets put an aggression payload on it
>actually we're just using it for intel
>does it work
>yes
>fantastic

>>33254128
>second attempt at diplomatic contact with humans
>radio signals accepted much more hospitably
>arrive at designated meeting zone, in a desert
>glopporb opens the hatch to leave the vessel
>blinding white light burns my retinas, ship power is failing
>wave of heat washes over me followed by a gust of intense wind
>humans tried to use rudimentary atomic weapons on us
>get the fuck out of there and update monitoring status to quarantine

>>33250055
fuck your couch nigga

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For everyone here

enjoy

>>33248762
I doubt the ant would survive tho

Ok question, I don't know much about nukes, but purely theoretically, what would happen if you somehow got literally all the uranium/plutonium/fissile material on Earth and made a bomb with it, what would be the tonnage and more importantly, what exactly would happen when you explode that bomb?

>>33253754
Bit by bit and assemble it in space

>>33254630
It was covered earlier, a single blast can only get so big before it begins wasting its energy by venting it outside the atmosphere into space.

It would do the same thing a medium asteroid impact would plus throw a lot of fallout.

>>33253736
Children of a dead earth right?
So you created a fleet killer. But how hard do you have to work to
A) get it to target
B) not have it get shot down

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>>33254985
If we have the capacity to build and throw around something like that, I see no reason we can't just wrap the bastard in hundreds of yards of reinfoced armor.

>>33254985
Ye, COADE, and... unsurprisingly difficult, although I've definitely done it. surround it in a few centimeters of aerogel, then something like 18 centimeters of vanadium steel, then a rather large number of fuel tanks, engines, and a couple of lasers to shoot down missiles, was FUN to use.

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>>33255128
>a bomb so big it needs point defence hardpoints

Why is my dick so hard?

It reminds my of a weapon called a node missile that the himans could build in a turn based strategy real time combat game called Sword of The Stars.

Basically a multi-gigaton nuke built into a destroyer sized frame with an FTL drive on the back.

If has a one use booster engine that depending on your tech development could be a fusion or fission based rocket engine.

You send it across hyperspace to an enemy planet, orient it on target, and it ejects and detonates the reactor for the FTL drive to kickstart the acceleration towards the enemy planet.

There is about a 45 second gap between exiting FTL and the acceleration to target where they are basically sitting ducks, but you could just SPAM these fuckers in groups of 15 at enemy planets, or send em with escorts.

The game has a terraforming mechanic and if you hit an enemy planet with enough of em you didnt just destroy the infrastructure and kill off the population but also rendered the planet beyond habitability even with terraforming.

My tactics were to use 3 waves, the node missiles to wipe out the planet, a combat fleet to mop up enemy military ships and secure the system, and a harvester fleet of mining ships to strip mine the fucked up planet and take the resources back to the nearest home system.

Use the pillage to build more node missiles and more fleets, rinse, repeat. Was the most HFY game I ever played.

You could built doomsday weapons, take slaves, engage in biowarfare, raid planets for resources, run clandestine propaganda campaigns to brainwash alien populations into doing shit.

It was ahead of its time, and ended up not being popular because the control scheme was really complex.

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>>33244386
You sound like a Belkan.

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>>33247252

>>33240023
mfw cucked by ICBMs

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>>33240433

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>>33252444
Fuck that shit, use something bigger.

>>33252444
problem is, it doesn't shit out energy like you want it to.
it's basically a giant shotgun slug, it'll fuck up the immediate area it hits, but not anything else - i'd imagine in that case, the effect would only be 50ft in diameter. which is basically fucking useless.

>>33248675
>>this could just sit in a silo indefinitely
The S-II and S-IVB use Hydrolox propellant, which is most definitely *not* storeable. You need to constantly top off the tanks on the pad just to keep up with leakage.

The LOX isn't easily storeable either, but to a less extreme degree.

>>33258653
why is it not storeable? does it need to stay at a certain temp?
legitimately curious, not trying to shit on your argument

>>33258691
Not him, but heres a nutshell explanation.

Storing cryogenic fuels require heavily insulated high pressure vessels and require you to constantly keep them below certain temperatures.

When dealing with liquid gases like hydrogen and oxygen they are also nearly frictionless, so its incredibly difficult to make seals capable of both withstanding those pressures that dont leak atleast a tiny bit.

>>33258691
>why is it not storeable? does it need to stay at a certain temp?
>legitimately curious, not trying to shit on your argument
Hydrogen molecules are really small, and will migrate through the tank.

>>33258716
using my shitty google-fu, the Saturn Vs seem to use the same fuel mixture as the Titan Is, and the Titan Is had problems with liquid fuel, but they did work.
granted, a Saturn V is orders of magnitude larger, but still.
would there be a way to artificially add friction for storage and then filter said friction causing compounds out for use?
>tfw used to have autism tier knowledge on rocketry but since the space program has been dead for like 10 years, forgot it all

>>33258733
Not really. Cryo fuels are a pain in the ass to store.

That bacteria they almost released that would have killed the entire world's soil.

It worked fine in lab conditions!

>>33258733
No, because adding anything to nearly frictionless cryogenic fuels only results in it seperating into layers and either sinking to the bottom or floating.

Or requires a complex stirring mechanism and a thermal regulation system that keeps it just cold enough to remain liquid but warm enough not to freeze the added compounds (which clogs valves and gaskets).

Coincidentally the apollo 13 explosion was caused by just such a system. An automated fuel tank stirrer almost killed a lunar landing crew and effectivley drove the last nail into the coffin containing our nations manned planetary exploration program.

>>33255362
And the AI was completely fucking broken. Apparently a mod fixes that now.

Also the terraforming system in the old game was just a linear scale, so you could actually make enemy worlds more habitable for YOUR species by nuking them enough. Shit's great.

>>33250525
That 99.9% kill rate thing just made me do some random math.
So, there's about 7.5 billion humans on earth.
If you made a virus with a 99.9% kill rate, there are still millions of us left.
Man, we're getting harder to exterminate than ants.

>>33248461
Honestly? In '98 I would've welcomed a global pandemic if it helped me get out of my AOL contract.

>>33258908
That was the idea. Of course its a stephen king novel so naturally all the bad people start gravitating towards las vegas and rapidly militarizing around the antichrist. Meanwhile all the good people colonize boulder colorado and form a patriotic hippy commune.

Confluct ensues. Wont spoil it for ya, but its actually a pretty good book.

>>33251717
It's the accepted term in the designer biology field. If you don't like it, take it up with them.

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>>33255030

>>33250319
Fucking Linda, man. Every goddamn time.

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>>33251743
In Star Control, humanity had a nuclear war in 2015, if I remember the year right, which was then followed by a sort of world peace and the UN deciding to lock up all the nukes in giant 'peace vaults'. Earth goes full hippy-mode, bans weapon research, and we go to space and eventually meet some ayys.
Come the future when we're in space and there's a bunch of alien motherfuckers trying to enslave us and the friendly ayy lmaos, humanity breaks down the doors and starts un-mothballing all the military gear, and suddenly earth has more nuclear missiles than they know what to do with.
The kicker is that all of the weaponry is modern-day stuff bolted onto sci-fi technology because the of the research ban after the war, but there's enough nukes that they can just be spammed.

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>>33249244
>>33249399
>supersonic nuclear slag missile

>>33240356
It wouldn't be dangerous because it "irradiated" the air. It would solely spew fission products and actinides from its exhaust.

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>>33245547
Project Orion you say...

Vertical takeoff is for chumps. Runway everyday.

>>33240433
The surface of the earth would be as barren as the moon!

>>33252444
>always liked the idea
not
>saw that dumbass GI Joe movie a few years ago and have liked the idea ever

>the required shape of the rod to fall straight down would just make it pierce the everloving shit out of the ground
>thinking a flat nose would make that any different
>not seeing this shit as just a retarded level bunker buster

seriously, a tungsten dart the size of a telephone pole. that mother fucker would just drop through layers of earth like a mother fucker. fuck your clean nule bullshit.

instead
>tungsten dart about 3 meter wide by 200 meters long
>put nuke stuff onboard in the back
>rocket those mother fuckers toward the ground
>penetrate miles of rock in a fraction of a second
>set off 1megaton bomb somewhere near the mantle
>mini yellowstone eruption, with some radiation to boot

>NOT KILLING YOUR ENEMIES WITH FARM FRESH LAVA AND ROCKS THE SIZE OF HOUSES FALLING FROM SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET IN THE SKY
>NOT CREATING SUPERVOLCANOS AS A MEANS OF WAGING WAR

>>33259695
you're both implying that these rods would fly absolutely perfectly straight without any fins or other flight surfaces.
what happens when your autistically expensive tungsten rod keyholes itself 500ft deep into the ground and doesn't do a goddamn thing?

>>33259700
>dart

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Forget fission, just use antimatter

>>33259706
>implying falling from fucking space through re-entry as a giant metal telephone pole, even with rudimentary fins, wouldn't utterly fuck trajectory
I say a 40-60 ratio of keyholing to hitting as it should.

>>33259739
well of course it would need stabilization. I'm not the twat thinking you can just "drop" a rod from something already in orbit. Shit, I play KSP. I understand. When you're dealing with thousands of miles of aiming distance, you can't just expect it to work because you aim.

But also remember this shit would likely be travelling somewhere in the ballpark of 50'000mph before it ever entered the upper atmosphere, because gravity alone is a really shitty way to accelerate a projectile and if you're gonna waste that much tungsten on a retarded weapon, you might as well strap a bunch of rocket stages on the back.

So yeah. No longer a rod or dart. But whatever. Massive version of exploding-tip arrow.

>>33250055
N.O.V.A

>>33247709
there's already a story like it i just can't remember if asimov or pk dick wrote it.