Going for my first Rifle. Need some advice on what to get

Springfield M1A?

>>33237965
I would never reccomend an ar15 to a first time gun buyer, but if you want a semi auto .308 maybe you have some experience and no guns of your own. If so id say get an ar10. Semi auto .308s are fun but they are not a great defensive firearm. For civilians Id reccomend a weapon that would be good for personal defense like a handgun or shotgun. So basically id reccomend a mossberg 500 and some buckshot first and then save your shelkels for an ar10 and some ammo

>>33237965
https://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/xm-10/xm-10-standard
My old man has this rilfe, its an absolute beast, super fun to shoot, its weight lets you know theres real power in your hands

>>33238163
How good would you say a springfield M1A is?

>>33238246
They're great, they've been using accurized ones for mid-long range shooting competitions for a long time now. They're heavy and expensive though, nowadays there are other options out there that do about the same thing but are lighter and cheaper. I wouldn't mind getting a M1A if I could find a gently used one for a good price.

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Get a DPMS G2 recon. Under 1300. 1moa groups or better. Very light weight. Yeager does a whole series of testing on it on youtube and raves about it. I love mine but want to swap the heavier quad rail for a lighter weight tube.

>>33238246
Not very. I mean it is a fine rifle (And good looking), but it doesn't hold up that well today.

A SCAR17S or a (good) AR10 are the best modern options.

PTRs are stylin, great guns and affordable but heavy.

DSA FALs are stylin.

C308s just as good as PTRs... Unless they don't work.

PE-57s Are really nice, but you cant afford one.

>>33237965
Do not buy a semi auto .308 as your first rifle. You WILL develop bad habits that will take years to untrain.

I know they're boring but just get an AR. They're ubiquitous for a reason. The recoil is practically non-existent so you don't need to worry about developing flinch and can practice the fundamentals of marksmanship. Also, .308 is not cheap. Practice matters more than the actual rifle, and .223 will let you practice more for less money.

Get the .308 later, when you have more disposable income and you've honed your fundamentals.

>>33238246
Not very. The M14 was the worst rifle the US military ever adopted. It was obsolete in the '60s and it's obsolete now. They only still exist because Fudds like them.

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>>33237965
SIG 716

>>33238851
This. 308 ammo is expensive as fuck for training too.

>>33238986
So have him buy a .22 he doesn't want instead.

>>33238851
>The M14 was the worst rifle the US military ever adopted
That's just, like, your opinion man.

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>>33239010
the dollar/rail ratio is atrocious

>>33238949
What the hell is that abomination.

>>33237965
>semi .308
>$1300 budget
That leaves you with the PTR and a handful of AR10's.

I would recommend a DPMS G2 Recon, should run you about $1000.

>>33239018
>rails
>on a granpappy fudd gun
you doin it wrong son, irons or git

>>33239033
A piston AR10 with all the problems of piston AR's and all the weight of filling a rifle-shaped object with lead.

It's also $3000 and maybe a 3 MOA gun.

>>33239049
that was kinda my point

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>>33239051
Why would anyone create such thing let alone sell it?

>>33239070
Sig jumping on the AR bandwagon with something that'd nevah ben dun befo' except it had, with a 200% markup because Sig.

In case it isn't painfully obvious basically zero R&D went into it so it's pretty much pure profit for the handful that actually got sold.

>>33237965
You can get a PTR or used FAL from a decent builder for that.

Hope you have a bit more set aside for ammo though.

>>33239084
I am kinda surprised to see this kind of shit especially from the boutique gun manufacturers and the die hard following they have.
All im saying is that I find this whole situation really strange.

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How acurate is the vepr in .308?

>>33239150
With match ammo I usually see 1.5-2.0MOA from people with fairly high magnification scopes. I have OCCASIONALLY seen them as accurate as 1.0MOA when the shooter really knows what he's doing.

They're pretty good over all, better than a PTR, FAL, M1A, etc but not as good as most AR10's.

>>33239150
VEPRs are pretty stupid good actually. The 7.62x54R VEPRs dance circles around PSLs and Tigers.

>>33239184
In honesty most things dance circles around a PSL, and the Tigr is x39 so is a poor equivalency.

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>>33239184
So they're pretty much a good bet for those looking for .308 semis right?
>>33239163
Better than FALs?! Good Lord

>>33239242
FALs aren't really built for the accuracy thing, they were designed to be combat accurate with ball ammo and as such are a ~3 MOA rifle.

>>33239242
I would buy that for a dollar

>>33237965
Get a PTR and a ton of mags and ammo OP

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>>33239208
>the Tigr is x39 so is a poor equivalency.
This is the Tiger I was talking about. x54R.

>>33239242
FALs are just not that accurate of a design. The rounds push directly on the bolt when loaded so pressure varies as you empty a magazine. Not a good design for precision, probably because it wasn't designed for precision.

>>33237965
AR-15

>>33238529
>Stainless barrels

Why do they do this? Why does dpms always do this?

>>33237965
you're either a faggot that expects other people to do their research for them and bases their opinions on the opinions of others or a faggot that knows full well that making a thread basically asking "what gun should I buy in x caliber within y budget" will result in a shitflinging circlejerk over different platforms that do the same thing.

you go on google, research semi auto rifles in .308 (dsa arms, ptr91, m1a, ar10 to name a few) and determine what YOU want with YOUR money that you will spend on YOUR gun.

It's fine to come back with elaborative questions like "is x rifle worth the price? I heard y about them, but so and so says z" but just asking what gun to buy is lazy and will no doubt end in a large amount of shitposting with no clear answers.

tl;dr go fuck yourself

>>33239010
It was objectively worse than the FAL it "won" against and was so atrocious that it lasted less than 6 years in service. It was a WWII rifle adopted in a post-StG/AK world.

>>33239242
FAls aren't terribly accurate my dude.

>>33239752
>calls OP a faggot and says use google
>ends up telling him the list of possibilities anyways

Hypocrisy at its finest

>>33239683
I know stainless doesn't last as long as a proper chrome lined or nitride treated barrel but they last plenty long for most people and are easier to machine, so that's why a lot of barrel makers use stainless for their match grade barrels.

>>33239752
People seem to like this discussion? Is there a problem?

>>33239931
not really, I'm just tired and testy

>>33239051
Right? Piston ARs are such garbage. The 416 has such a poor track record. Nice to see the M110 btfo the 417 too.

Kys

>>33238246
The M14 is not a good rifle and the M1A is a mediocre example of the M14.

>>33239051
>3moa
They built one for CanSof that shoots 1moa at 300m surpressed. Also kys

>>33240027
Piston ARs are hot garbage and I don't understand why they exist. Especially in the case of the 417 where it doesn't have parts commonality anyway.

>>33240195
If they're garbage why do they keep BTFOing di ars?

>>33240298
They don't though. HK just has good marketing and the standard AR has an undeserved reputation thanks to incompetence and outright sabotage by the Fudds in charge of US Ordnance in the '60s.

The only thing the 416 has going for it are HL's barrels, which are legitimately good. The piston is just a gimmick.

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>>33237965
Get a garand if you can find one.Got mine for 600.
1943 Springfield

>>33240541
>.308
>Garand

pick one and only one

308 VEPR.git
/tread/

>>33240687
Naval and a few other variants

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>>33237965
What speaks against the SIG751?

>>33240298
Jim Sullivan himself said piston AR are the stupid and ridiculous.

>>33240754
They're unobtanium, their spare parts are unobtanium, their aftermarket is nonexistant, and nobody works on them.

Easy to tell the people who shoot guns from the people who read about them.

>>33238246
They're great sure but they're shit compared to the competitors.

So just buy an ar-10, a fal, or a g3.

>>33240845
Most of the parts are interchangeable with the SIG550 (like stock, handgaurd,etc) and the SIG550 has a quiet big aftermarket.

>>33239010
On pretty much every level it was inferior to it's competitors the FAL and the AR-10. Iirc the FAL and the AR-10 were found superior at Aberdeen Proving Grounds but the M14 was still adopted due to political reasons.

>>33240883
>SIG550 has a quiet big aftermarket
What country are you in? Can't even get the original green furniture here in the US.

>>33240298
417 is an HK ar so it really isn't a big surprise it's better than many other ar's, if they had gone with the DI system they would have ended up with a lighter, more accurate, and a cheaper gun.

>>33240921
Switzerland, here is a quiet big aftermarket (allthoug expensive) but you can change/replace almost anything