Unpopular viewpoints thread

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.40S&W is an extremely high energy, well designed round and a proven man stopper.

>>33231355
People still buy into the .40 short and weak meme, get a 10mm manlet

>>33231389
>buy a dead cartridge that you can only get in the 1911 or glock variety

Yeah, no thanks, I'll go with efficient modern tech

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=115

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=303_341&product_id=210

>>33231315
I think .44 magnum is the most versatile caliber in existence.

>>33231315
1911s are outdated in ever aspect and are only still around because of fuds and autism within the firearms community for muh world war two gun

I hate people that don't compete in even casual competitions because that means you only plink standing at a line and I have no respect for plinkers. They have zero skill and are essentially wasting ammo doing nothing. I also hate service pistols because they suck for competition. Including you, glockfags. You can feed me whatever drivel you want about learning to deal with the trigger making you better, but running with ankle weights only makes a fucking difference if you TAKE THEM OFF on race day.

>>33231480
EAA witness and glock and older smiths there are is a fair amount of variety of based 10mm guns

>>33231496
>meme tier penetration
gg kid

>>33231511
The trigger, overall balance and grip profile have never been outdone. Period. It is the only acceptable competitive handgun. Only poorfags hate it because they can't afford anything over $650. People who buy RIA/AO 1911s should suck-start them.

>>33231315
>>33231355
I'll support both of these posts
>>33231511
You're an idiot. 1911s are still the most popular firearm for shooting competitions such as USPSA. Get some experience outside of /k/
>>33231389
10mm is a great round, but it's overkill for self defense, and a penis compensator

>>33231559
>limited capacity
>.45 AARP ammo
but muh trigger muh grip angle muh manlet hands don't fit bigger guns
competition tier glocks have after market triggers a superior grip angle and greater capacity overall
It's not because I'm a poor fag its because the design has been outdated since the late 1970s

>>33231511
WW2? More like WW1.

>>33231571
10mm because in based Montana bears are a real possibility around .380 is the gun of choice

All autoloader handgun rounds above .32ACP perform identically when firing modern JHP projectiles at humans. There is no reason to get anything other than 9mm. 147gr is the perfect plinking/target load. +P is a meme designed to increase parts wear for zero benefit.

>>33231557
Are you talking over penetration? When hand loading you can load down to replicate .45 ACP ballistics or load up to literal bear stopping wrist breakers... and everything in between.

Are there better man stoppers? Of course. But I said it was the most versatile, not "best at everything".

>>33231621
Well of course 10mm is a good choice if you have a threat potential larger than a human

>>33231632
>bear stopping
good luck penetrating when the bullet diameter is so massive the round doesn't penetrate on bears very well

>>33231600
You're not supposed to buy them in .45 you dumbshit. CDP is for old fudds. The lowest end acceptable gun is the Springfield govt profile 1911A1 in 9mm with 10rd mags.

And do you see any other handguns available with 2.5lb blade triggers? No? I don't either, so no, the 1911 hasn't been dethroned.

>>33231315
the gun industry barely puts out anything new and just rehashes the same old shit in a different bag and with less quality.

We will be debating how to repeal the NFA long after modern militaries switch to infantry based energy weapons or electrical weapons because the firearms industry failed to bring energy weapons to the civilian market and the NRA shortsightedly failed to defend those right before some legislator wrote them out of second amendment and gave enforcement authority to the FDA or CDC or NIOSH or some such bullshit

>>33231625
This

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>>33231315
type 14s are great pistols

>>33231863
I too enjoy my Ruger.

Only faggots think 10mm is a good caliber.

Polymer Jerichos are OK

>>33231530
>wasting ammo doing nothing
Are you so autistic that you don't even enjoy your hobby? All shooting is fun. Blowing up shaving cream cans with a .22 is the best.

>>33231315
So, Ruger has added Taurus to its R&D department? Kel-Tec's gonna be PISSED.

New shooters, especially females, should have a DAO revolver as a first handgun.

>>33232251
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKoCIeqVHIY

>>33232251
why DOA?

>>33232352
A hammer is one more thing to mess with. It will get messed with at inappropriate times by a lot of new shooters no matter how many times they have been told when and when not to thumbfuck the hammer.

>>33232251
>New shooters
>Learning on gun without a safety
Seems like a bad idea

>>33232532
Yeah, they should probably start with a Glock.

>>33231808
Agreed. The first half of the 20th century was a flurry of firearms design and innovation, but through that we've reached a peak in mechanical design with modern cartridges. Now development is focused toward lighter/stronger materials, new calibers for specific performance needs, and improvements in controls.

Energy weapons sound great and all, but we're a long way in the energy storage department from seeing a man portable weapon.

>>33232573
Or a bolt action .22, learn the basics of shooting safety and gain confidence with a less intimidating platform before moving up. A lot of women I've shot with were afraid to shoot full size rifles and pistols, but give them a 22 and they have a great time and are more open to shoot other guns later.

>>33232251
That is a fucking awful idea. They'll develop terrible trigger habits.

>>33231959
>Are you so autistic that you don't even enjoy your hobby?
Do you think /o/ likes bumper-to-bumper traffic?

I am annoyed at how a lot of people seem to believe proper shooting and safety are complicated, arcane arts that are best taught over long periods of time with specific weapons they deem worthy for new shooters.

To be clear, you can teach a child everything they will ever need to know about shooting and safety (barring the function and maintenance of specific weapons) in one afternoon.

>>33231959
This. I cannot stand this autistic pissing match everybody has these days over shooting competitively and being "tactical". I just want to slay 2 liters.

DA/SA is fine and shouldn't be replaced by strikerfire. It lets you have the efficiency and unbeatable performance of a SA very light trigger but also the safety against ND of double action. For a CCW it's probably not a good idea, but for a holster open carry or a home defense gun it's a negligible concern. It's better to have the high trigger pull or low trigger pull option of a DA/SA than be forced into a mushy middle ground trigger pull (or worse if you're a cop)

Strikerfired is good too it just isn't a case of one being entirely superior or one being entirely inferior. Now DAO or single action only? Those are justifiably archaic and should never be done in any modern gun.

>>33233028

I don't like the mall ninja operator operations stuff either. The whole gunjitsu of 3gun and transition if you accept it's a sport and entertainment is fine. If you think it'll actually be viable then, well, no it won't. You ain't going to be a movie star going from blat-blat-blat with your AR and do a tactical switch to your pistol.

>>33232858
More accurately put it would be "does /O/ enjoy doing donuts in vacant parking lots when nobodies around?
And the answer is yes. I'm sure /o/ doesn't only enjoy their vehicles when it's track day. Same applies to shooting.

>>33232770
Of course a bolt .22 is a great gun to start on. I should clarify that I am talking about adults who aren't gun people, who decide to get a gun one day for protection.

>>33232844
Why would they develop terrible trigger habits? They can practice dry firing

>>33232863
Well, what did you expect in an unpopular opinion thread? Either way, it's my opinion, I gained it through decades of experience, and I'm sticking to it.

>>33233127
>Why would they develop terrible trigger habits? They can practice dry firing
They'll end up with an awful pull to the left due to the trigger weight. Just ask the NYPD.

>>33231355
I shot my buddy's fns .40. I hated it. Really snappy, more so than the fnx 45.

Maybe I'm just untrained, but the muzzle flipping is way more distracting to me than the feeling of the entire gun moving back in my hand if that makes any sense.

>>33233155
That's not how it works. Your opinion is utter horseshit.

>>33231571
10mm is the perfect self-defense round because it has nearly the same capacity of a 9mm and is the only standard auto pistol cartridge that actually has STOPPAN POWAH apply. If you're a big boi and train with it, there's nothing that could beat it.

>>33233270
>long heavy trigger pull doesn't give newbies a tendency to expect and compensate for a long heavy trigger pull
Yeah fuck off.

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>>33233182
Hey man no worries - .40 is wily and recognized as high energy, laws of physics dictate equal and opposite reactions. If your rounds dump more trauma imparting, tissue crushing kinetic energy into the target it's perfectly reasonable to expect more fight from the gun in return.

I said it the other night but .40 S&W adds about ~.15 seconds to my splits which is proportionally almost exactly how much more energy they dump in to the target than 9x19 (~50% more) - In my opinion it's a side-grade, a fair trade, whatever you want to call it.

>>33233302
What kind of shit revolvers do you shoot with? Have you actually ever shot a decent DA revolver?

>>33231315
>.380 is a potent enough caliber for self defense
This is not controversial at all.

>>33231355
>.40S&W is an extremely high energy, well designed round and a proven man stopper.
I like .40S&W, but how can you say that any handgun caliber is "a proven man stopper"?

>>33233571
>I like .40S&W, but how can you say that any handgun caliber is "a proven man stopper"?

Because in the 90's and early 2000's recording and compiling volumes of anecdotal, individual shootings and their results was a very popular metric. During this time the .40S&W outperformed every other duty caliber in terms of one shot stops.

Yeah, we know now a days that this is not good science, doesn't change the fact that a fuckload of aggressors have been put down right then right there with a single .40S&W

>>33231511

You know how I know you're gay?

>>33233351
To each their own but energy imparted doesn't necessarily mean damage imparted as temporal damage cavities in hand gun rounds have never been found the cause of death in victims.

I carry 9mm for cc and 45 for hd. Just never jumped onto .40 because of personal anecdotal. If you're competent with it though more power to you. I'm jealous because I expect prices for it to be plummeting in the future.

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>you can't shoot anything with a .410 shot pistol
>it's like throwing pocket sand
>I'll post my youtube links to prove it
>sure I've never shot or owned a gun in my life
>but you can't refute faggety on youtube

Sometimes I see this, shake my head, and just hide the thread

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>>33234175
People can only be medically incapacitated 2 ways with boolits.

A brain stem hit - the only instant and 100% guaranteed off switch.

The other way is blood loss. Blood loss through drop in blood pressure is a time-based situation with boolit wounds from handguns, even with a completely perforated heart a human being can physically function up to around 8 seconds - and that's perfect high thoracic cavity strike - gun fights are very imperfect.

The more tissue you crush and remove the faster blood is lost. More kinetic energy imparts more trauma, generates bigger permanent crush cavities, shatters more bones and drives pieces of those bones further with more energy lacerating and causing more hemorrhaging.

As I said, .40 is a complete side grade, you literally exchange the almost exact proportional amount of speed for almost the exact proportional gain in tissue crushing. I'm not saying it's better than 9x19, I'm just really fucking tired of the echo chamber regurgitated one liners tossed around the web like gospel, all because some bureaucratic bean counters at the FBI needed to justify cutting ammo cost and training cost.

>>33234175
>>33234299

Also don't hold your breath on the complete flushing of 40.

It will take one high profile incident of anecdotal nature where someone survives a strike from the current hotness (A La Miami FBI shootout) and we will go back around the merry-go-round of higher energy, more powerful ballistic reasoning.

>>33234299
>>33234175

>People can only be medically incapacitated 2 ways with (((handgun))) boolits.

Sorry had to edit that so the pedantic autists don't go off the rails and detract from the pertinent information.

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9x18 Makarov is a viable self-defense cartridge.

>>33234592
With modern bullet design. I know Hornady makes some defensive loads for it.

>>33231658
45 colt +p loaded stronk

>>33232844
>>33233155
>They'll develop terrible trigger habits.
>DAO revolver
>A gun that actually requires you to have far better trigger control than any other type of gun in order to be able to shoot it competently somehow causes you to "develop terrible trigger habits."

Want to know how I know that you're nogunz?

>>33234643
Hornady, Buffalo Bore, Underwood and Barnaul.

The ballistics gel tests I've seen (no Underwood yet) had the Barnaul JHPs hit the FBI's minimum penetration. Pretty surprising.

I find it hilarious when people unironically believe that having a positive safety on a gun makes it less safe. These same people lack the awareness to realize that the origin of this notion is literal propaganda/marketing by Glock in order to justify a decision that was primarily economics driven (fewer parts per gun = lower price point and greater margins per gun).

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The FBI's ballistic test standards are far too low and many hollowpoint bullets that meet them do not, in a real world scenario, penetrate enough to cause reliable threat stoppage.
Solid lead wadcutters and Keith SWCs will more consistently stop targets in fewer shots than hollowpoints.

bump to push the mountains of garbage off the front page

Carrying a Glock 19 appendix is easy as fuck

it weighs literally nothing

>>33231315
.32 is potent enough

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>>33236611
What if it's not powerful enough to make the problem solver load the next cap?

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dogs are disgusting dirty shit eating beasts fit for patrolling and guard duty on large plots of land and nothing else

>>33234592
this isnt controversial.

>>33237305

funny, I never knew a muslim who had a CZ

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>>33237354
> I'm muslim

whoa asshole I didn't say I would kick one in the street for no reason

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>>33231315
The .380 is plenty for stopping humans. Against big animals not so great.

The bigger problem to me is that little pistol though. I don't care what it shoots, it's too small to aim. Basically it's a derringer. You practically need to have the muzzle pressed against the target if you want to hit.

>>33231315
I wonder how small you can make a blowback .380 pocket pistol using lead slide weights or possibly tungsten carbide...

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>>33231315

>Normarl Tier:
.32 +p and. 380 are viable for self defense

Glock hasnt done anything innovative in 25 years and their pistols still suck

40 and 357 are perfectly manageable for followup shots

>Edgy Tier:
There is no reason to use any Kalashnikov variant over an AR variant

The Arisaka was the best bolt action rifle of WW2

>Autism Tier:
7.62x39 is an outdated and poorly designed cartridge that has no place in the 22st century. Same goes for 7.62x54r

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>>33231530
>No respect for plinkers
>precision and accuracy are the only ways to enjoy this hobby

I bet you've "accurized" at least one expensive milsurp rifle

>>33233077
>The whole gunjitsu of 3gun and transition if you accept it's a sport and entertainment is fine.
Transition to secondary is a handy tool in urban firefight.

>Do you need it?
Hope not, but times seem pretty grim (being neighbors with Big Bad Red).

>>33231315
1911 is more practical than a Glock, since it can be limp wristed without consistent jamming and has some form of functional safety, making it at least plausible for self defense, unlike the Glock.
It also is much, MUCH more aesthetically pleasing.

Glocks are uglier than Hi Points.

>>33237498
We have our Edgy Fudd- competition winner!


>1911 is more practical than a Glock, since it can be limp wristed without consistent jamming
It is not a problem unless you intentionally attempt to make a malfunction. Or you are a weakling of an human.
>and has some form of functional safety
Glocks have several
>It also is much, MUCH more aesthetically pleasing.
Speaking a weapon as a tool, and concerning the debatable aesthetics. The gun is in the holster: cannot see it. The gun is drawn in your hand, who the hell cares what the gun looks like?
>Glocks are uglier than Hi Points.
Debatable.

>>33237524
It's a problem if you're stressed out or panicking, which would be the situation you'd be using a gun in

>Glocks have several
None that work

>who the hell cares what the gun looks like?
>Assailant attacking
>Pull your Glawk brand Glawknade
>He feels ill seeing it's ghastly visage
>Bow his head to vomit as you fire
>Miss
>You feel ill from the smell of his vomit
>He recovers, shielding his eyes you gains the uperhand
Jokes aside it's fucking ugly. I'd rather be seen holding an attractive gun than a plastic brick with downs at the range.

All other militaries other then American are shit tier. Other countries can say shit, but at the end of the day they know their military is shit.

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>proven manstopper
i have a pistol in .357sig i use to shoot paper and its recoil isn't much different than .40sw but it is more expensive to shoot

>>33237744

.357sig is great, it just sucks that it's so limited selection wise.

Basically just a 9mm that does everything better, except for suppression.

>>33237760
I'd say the only downside is capacity and cost. but who gets shot with .357sig enough to say its actually not a meme round?

>>33231625
>.50 AE is identical to .380
Lol good joke

>>33232858
when you own a nice car, even traffic jams are pleasurable.

>>33231315
While my viewpoints may be unpopular, they are also 100% correct-

M&P's are for mall ninja's with zero firearms experience.

the glocknade meme is just that and pushed by mall ninjas, no guns, and air shitters

Safariland makes crap holsters, Serpa's are far superior, especially in duty or tactical applications. This has been proven time and time again by people with actual experience. Your youtube video saying otherwise means shit to me, mainly due to my vast amount of experience beyond anyone on youtube saying that Serpa's are crap.

Kel Tec makes fun weapons. Who cares if they are meme guns.

>>33231530
>the fact that I shoot at steel plates makes me better than any LEO, Soldier or Marine.

4chan is for 18+

>>33231511
they're like a hand held version of the 50 cal, they may be old as hell, but they still work pretty well.
>If it aint broke

>>33238152
Nah, that shit is still annoying. I just have a more comfortable seat and nicer stereo.

t. Lexus driver.

t. Lexus driver

>>33233077

>The thing you have practiced you cannot do

>But I practice doing it quite often...

>NO! IMPOSSIBLE! YOU CANNOT DO A THING YOU PRACTICE DOING

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>>33238230
everything in this post is incorrect and you are a retarded faggot.

It's not us in the case, it's very much you

>>33238254
>Lexus driver
>luxury vehicle
Lolno

My friends family owns exclusively lexus vehicles, and there's no real difference between them and a chrysler town and country

>>33234299
Oh look it's THIS autist again

What is critical organ failure, sperglord?

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>>33238493
>What is critical organ failure, sperglord?
No idea, that's a term I've never used in my 40posting before

maybe you are confusing me with a different autist?

lol holy shit I just got warned for reporting off topic /k/ threads as rule violations

this place is such a stupid shithole

>>33231625
.32 ACP is so piss poor you need FMJ rounds to barely penetrate 12"

it's a obsolescent cartridge

Manual safeties on guns are pointless, a proper holster/knowledge of your weapon/following the basic rules will prevent 99.999% of ND's.

Smith and Wesson will remain a shit-tier company until they remove the Hillary Hole.

Buying off the shelf AR's doesn't make sense unless it has literally everything you want in an AR. Building one is almost always cheaper and will familiarize yourself with the platform.

Reloading popular auto cartridges (9, 40, 45, .223, etc) for the sole purpose of plinking is a waste of time when cheap steel cased exists. However I will say I still reload some of these calibers for plinking myself because I enjoy the activity.

>>33238564
>no idea
Exactly. You shoot a guy in the lungs, they won't die from central nervous damage OR blood loss. You shoot them in the heart, similar thing.

>>33231600
So do you think companies such as Uberti should just give up and go out of business? after all they make single-action revolvers and single-shot rifles which have been obsolete since the late 1800's.

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>>33237549
What safeties on a glock don't work?

>>33238601
>Reloading popular auto cartridges (9, 40, 45, .223, etc) for the sole purpose of plinking is a waste of time when cheap steel cased exists.
doesnt steel cases fuck up extractors or something

>>33238607
Your post isn't articulated very well, I'm not sure exactly what the point is you are trying to make.

>>33238663
Ive never had any issues with steel case. If by some chance your extractor did get messed up, you could easily replace it with the money you saved even after only 1 case of steel.

>>33231480
>https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=115

>links hot Gucci .40 rounds that are like $1.50 each
>they have the performance of a regular 10mm round that costs half as much
>this retard thought he was making a good point

>>33231315
I'm conflicted on this. I won't carry anything smaller than 9mm, but I want to buy my mom a cc gun, and I know that a .380 pocket pistol is probably the only gun I know she'll carry everyday.

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>>33231315
Considering you’ll holster/unholster your carry gun thousands of times, but might never draw in self-defense once, Condition 3 is the more prudent choice for carrying everyday.

The half-second increase on your draw time just isn’t worth the constant risk of ND-ing.

>>33238660
Not same guy, but the trigger safety is useless

Presumably at least, the drop safety should work

>>33238747
>people can only be medically incapticitated by bullets two ways

>me, demonstrating how wrong you are

>I-I don't understand what you mean

>>33234299
>2 ways
blood loss and a brain hit, ok
but there are way more than that

hit the heart and cause loss of blood pressure that way, hit the lungs and let them fill with fluid
hit the pelvis or long bones in the leg to halt movement
cause a psychological stop via pain or disfigurement (seeing an injury can cause someone to enter shock)
hit the shoulders or long bones in the arms to disable those limbs

obviously blood loss and CNS hits are the only guaranteed ways to stop someone, but just because other mechanisms aren't 100% doesn't mean they're useless

>>33234819
Underwood and Buffalo Bore both use Hornady projectiles

>>33233571
>I like .40S&W, but how can you say that any handgun caliber is "a proven man stopper"?
Works well enough for Brazil

>>33235171
this is based on what evidence?

>>33238771
Get that and good ammo, people get caught up in tests that don't really show the whole picture.

Also you're going to want to clean her gun or instruct her to clean hers every time you visit take her to the range too.

Pretty much need to do that every time in my experiance.

>>33238764
>can get the power of 10mm in the size and capacity of a 40
>can continue to shoot regular cheap .40 at the same time

oh wow you actually thought you were right

how sad

>>33238771
GLOCK

43


SIG

P290

>>33238896
Nope, you are wrong, people become medically incapable of continuing to fight from pistol rounds in exactly two ways, the ways I previously stated.

This is vetted, proven science and you should shut the fuck up because you don't know what you are talking about.

There are psychological ways to stop people, but we are not dealing with them because they are not guaranteed.

>>33239027
ok, so we discount the psychological stops

then what of heart/lung hits, or shattering bones used for locomotion or fighting?

>>33237305
ATF pls go

>>33237448
>Comparing .40 to .357

kek.

>>33239054
A high thoracic cavity strike to the heart results in medical incapacitation VIA BLOOD LOSS AS ALREADY STATED.

Lung shots are purely physiological stops and have nothing to do with immediate medical incapacitation, there are a shit loads of examples of people continuing to fight with swiss cheesed lung, and the only way someone would medically expire from perforated lungs is via drowning in their own blood VIA BLOOD LOSS

>>33239133
You really dont know what you're talking about do you anon?

>>33239133
ok, then address destroying bones used for locomotion

>>33238796
It's only 9mm

>>33239141
Nice retort, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Shut the fuck up faggot I'm imparting knowledge here.

>>33239141
shhh, I want to hear more of his "theories" on how the body works

>>33239152
No, you're not anon. You're totally ignoring psychological factors like shock caused by impact trama.

>>33239155
see above

>>33239027
You're a troll or a retard (probably both)

A heart shot stops someone in <3 seconds (not instantly though)

A neck shot will have similar results, and a shot to the lungs with a powerful round like .357 will typically incapacitate in <10 seconds

>>33239144
Once again, there is no medical incpacitation via destroying load bearing beams - you can physically make someone incapable of raising a gun and pointing it at you via shattering bones, but you cannot induce medically forced unconsciousness via shattering bones.

People die/go unconscious in a medical sense via striking the brain stem - the immediate off switch and by reducing blood pressure levels to a point where consciousness can no longer be maintained (this is long hand for BLOOD LOSS)

>>33239152
if you know what you're talking about, then explain how men can move with a shattered pelvis or fractured femur, or how they can hold a rifle without their right radius and ulna

>>33239169
Fuck off idiot, no one trains to make physiological stops, it's not part of the discussion and never has been in anyway. This is the big boy table. Go sit in the corner.

>>33239133
Blood Pressure loss =/= blood loss

Also, lung injury leads to suffocation death

>>33231315
9mm is the absolute smallest round you should use for a conceal carry piece.

>>33239171
so someone with a factured pelvis is not incapacitated
got it
I'll rush this new info to the local hospital

>>33239170
Oh look another moron, shut the fuck up. You know jack fucking shit, everything I've said it medical fact and you don't understand anatomy.

>>33239191
Cite sources then, you commie sympathizer.

>>33231315
With the advent of the various supercavitating defense rounds I'd really like to see a resurgence in things like .25 and .32NAA, and work going into developing a mousegun round that isn't semi-rimmed (since .25NAA is a necked-down .32acp and .32NAA is a necked-down .380).

Imagine a .25acp sized round that meets FBI penetration requirments while having a proper wound channel. 8+1 in a pocket rocket or 15+1 in a double stack subcompact thin enough to carry comfortably AIWB.

>>33239183
See: >>33239171
>People die/go unconscious in a medical sense via striking the brain stem - the immediate off switch and by reducing blood pressure levels to a point where consciousness can no longer be maintained (this is long hand for BLOOD LOSS)

You guys are fucking morons, every one of you, I'm done. Enjoy your noguns echo chamber of garbage millennial rhetoric.

>>33239185
Unless you need a pocket gun.

>>33237305
Dogs are a hassle, yes. But I'd rather have a dog than a cat if I had to choose between the too. Dog just does a hell of a lot more.

>>33239204
Are you samefagging?

>>33239206
Why would you have a pocket gun over carrying in a holster?

>>33239219
>Concealed carry
>T-Shirt and Shorts

Oh, I don't know...

>>33239219
Deep concealment, carrying in basketball shorts/board shorts, extreme hot weather carry, etc.

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>>33231355

>those HK mags

Well played, sir.

Piston driven ARs make me sick.

>>33238975
Eh. If 9mm, would get her a Kahr CM9.

>>33239227
I've never worn just a T-shirt and Shorts in any event where I felt it necessary to carry, but you're right. I still wouldn't feel at ease with anything under 9mm though.

>>33238941
You're right.

>>33239194
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?22065-Human-Targets

You can read all 20 some odd pages of that thread, I've gone out of my way to condense the info supplied there are bring it to you guys, seems like a great use of my time given the fucking retarded responses I'm netting here eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWR3LHEjRAE&t=22s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T85RSuPeQoA&t=1s

And if you want someone more articulate/vetted than me to attest to the same FACTS - here are the same FACTS provided in two separate videos.

I'm done with you guys, enjoy basking in ignorance.

>>33239276
What are you bitching about?

>>33239288
The retards who do not understand anything about shooting human beings and have the fucking audacity to post their ludicrous, gun shop tier regurgitated reductive talking points as some kind of meaningful understanding of incapacitating humans.

>>33239356
What? What's not to get? If you shoot somebody in the important parts (chest, head, pelvis, etc...) they usually go down, right?

>>33239276
>Linking a forum discussion
>Linking potato tier youtube vids

kek, have an actual study: http://guninstructor.net/Strasborg_Tests.pdf

Bonus points, your forum article even discusses a case of death by asphixiation from a lung wound.

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>>33238971
the 10mm and 40 have the exact same magazine capacity you imbecile. You're just paying twice as much for the power of a REGULAR 10mm, in a hot .40

>>33239380
You are so fucking stupid it hurts

Like I said, I'm done trying to educate you, go fuck yourself

>>33231632
>When hand loading you can load down to replicate .45 ACP ballistics

Why not just get a semi auto in .45 acp then?

>>33239403
>post source where professionals test lung shots on animals in a scientific, repeatable way
>HURR DURR U SO DUMB, LOOK AT MUH YOUTUBE VIDS

Dude, common, stop.

>>33231315
>I cannot stand striker fired pistol trigger and would rather have a DA/SA

>While I wouldn't use one, those little Taurus judges would hurt like hell to be shot at with. Fired at point blank at a car jacker would really ruin his day if not horribly maim/blind him for life. It's "you'll shoot your eye out" x50

>People get way too bitchy about "bad wrong fun" here. Let the mall ninjas be mall ninjas, let the Milsurp guys shoot 80 year old bolt actions, etc. etc. As long as they don't endanger you it's no skin off your bones.

>Steel and wood feels infinitely better in my hands than polymer. I fully understand why others like polymer instead, just my preference.

>>33239412
>Why not have more guns, instead of just 1 that can fill multiple roles?

You make a good point, a man should always have more guns.

>>33239027
So the inability to provide ATP to the muscles after getting shot in the lungs wouldn't incapacitate someone faster than blood loss from the same wound?
Gee willicker this vetted, proven science sure is amazing.

>>33234592
Yeah. It's pretty much ballistically the same as 9x19 Parabellum.

Glock triggers are shit.

Small plastic toy mushy trigger with square edges and a worthless excuse for safety that only worsens the finger feel.

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I love and own more handguns than any other type of firearm.

>>33239131
Just clarify I mean 357 sig

>>33238618
No novelty guns are great but the 1911 is outdated as a defensive weapon or for use in any modern setting outside of plinking and possibly competition

I prefer to reload rather than buy ammo. I unironically like meme guns due to my childhood. I prefer 40 to 45 and 9mm, and I want to have a 10mm gun soon. I also plan picking up a deagle.

guns are dangerous and must be banned

>>33239178
Fantastic work anon, those posts were moved so fast I could hardly see it!

>>33238971
10mm and .40 S&W have the EXACT same fucking magazine capacity. What's more, though it's generally not recommended, you can absolutely shoot .40 S&W out of a 10mm gun. Furthermore, the Buffalo Bore you listed has stats similar to a regularly loaded off the shelf 10mm, not the comparable hot loads from the likes of Buffalo Bore or Lehigh.

Holy fucking shit, you're retarded. Please kill yourself you absolute imbecile.

>>33241218
nobody who knows anything debates or care about physiological stops.

Totally my bad, I forgot that /k/ is full of uninformed morons.

There are no goal posts being moved, I have been talking about MEDICAL INCAPACITATION the entire time

Protip there's a reason why I always refer to it as MEDICAL INCAPACITATION and not just incapacitation, because that would include physiological incapacitation.

Is that clear enough? Are you thoroughly done being a jack off now?

I'm never participating in a serious discussion about terminal ballistics here again, it is utterly fruitless and you revel in your ignorance.

>>33231315
Hypovolemia and direct trauma caused by a bullets passage aren't the only factors involved in incapacitation. I used to be a firm facklerite but over time i began to develop more and more reservations. If a sharp open handed blow to the carotid sinus, when properly applied, often times leads to near immediate unconsciousness why couldn't a bullet have the same effect if it hit the ascending aorta? we all know that a pressure wave of sufficient magnitude can cause serious tissue hemorrhage as has been proven ad nauseum in relation to explosives. For that matter, higher velocity rifle rounds frequently cause a ring of petechiae/visible blood vessel rupture around the wound track that they create in game.
Upon doing more research I found studies, in large mammals and some involving autopsies of humans, that indicated that many relatively low energy projectiles may indeed cause mild or moderate brain damage. Some studies indicate that some combat caliber handgun rounds may be able to inflict trauma similar to a level 1 concussion. Perhaps this effect combined with a bodies attempts to maintain homeostasis by dropping BP in response to what internal baroreceptors interpret as a dangerous BP spike(caused by passage of pressure wave) along with reduced blood volume from trauma are large contributing factors towards incapacitation in SOME situations. I know i've seen videos of OIS incidences in the past where individuals seem to show near immediate signs of syncope or some similar phenomena with no direct damage to their CNS.

>>33242770
LOL appparently some other faggots are having an argument pretty much about STOPPAN POWAH already...

>>33231315

>Unpopular viewpoints

Clearly, the hardest board to troll is /k/