What happened to weapons with side-mounted magazines?

People realized they were a pretty shitty idea and stopped making them

>>33230974
What makes them shitty?

>>33230987
They arent as good as belt fed mgs

>>33230987
Balance and impossibility of ambidexterity are two I can think of without even looking anything up.

>>33230974
>>33230996
This man basically has it down.

>>33230987
They add to much unsymmetrical weight which makes the rifle balance to the side while adding no real benefit over a standard bottom mounted magazine.

>>33230987
why put a mag on the side or over the action when you can easily put it underneath

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but look at this beauty

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>>33231024

But why did they try them in the first place?

>>33231051
Talking right out of my ass here but probably because machining at the time wasn't good enough to guarantee reliable feeding in most designs.

>>33231051
You could get away with a lot shittier/weaker magazine springs since gravity wasn't working too hard against them.

>>33231071
>>33231091
That was a side benefit, the real reason was that they let you get lower behind cover and when prone. Also in the case of rifles (only example I can think of is the FG42), side mounted magazines could be placed behind the front of the trigger, making them more compact (almost-bullpups).

>>33231051
It makes some decent sense on subguns as 30 rounds of pistol cartridges actually make for a pretty long magazine, I don't think it's a bad idea for this kind of weapon.

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>>33231160
>the real reason was that they let you get lower behind cover and when prone.
why hasn't anyone thought of this already, I can see this being one of the main reasons, and isn't that why the sgt44 magazine was complained about on these situations? and the swiss also prefer the 20round magazine too?

btw, have a tacticool fg42

>>33231867
What do you mean? They did think of it, and some made guns with sideways mags, and realized it wasn't worth the trade-offs. If you need to you pop in a smaller mag, and machine guns have belts.

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>>33231867

Is it true that the FG-42 was god-tier on semi-auto and shit-tier on full auto or is it just a meme?

>>33232552
You don't go full auto for lethality, just suppression.
Supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression. Meanwhile the Japanese took the Bren design and used it as a full auto sniper rifle.

>>33232599

I was actually thinking about this for a fictional weapon for a sci-fi setting. Basically a B.A.R like gun that works as a sniper rifle on single shot and a medium machine gun on full-auto. I was curious what kind of system would work best for the operation and if you could also design a gun that has both a scope and iron sights.

>>33231051
>tfw the shiny will never be yours

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>>33232599
>Supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression.

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>>33232639
>if you could also design a gun that has both a scope and iron sights.
There are scopes with backup sights and 45 degree sights that act as 2 methods of sighting on a single weapon. The F2000's big-ass fat-ass sight-ass scope-ass has a set of irons ontop of it, for example.
I can't find a good image of it.

>>33232706
muh cone of fire.

>>33230996
Oh really? Is that why the US and Russia are moving away from belt feds for squad use?

>>33232552
The cool thing with the FG42 was that when set to semi-auto, it fired from a closed bolt, good accuracy and all that jazz, but when set to full-auto, the gun would actually fire from an open bolt position, like a subgun or machinegun, and this would allow for a lot better (and safer) employment of the weapon for suppressive fire, if needed.

It did however cycle at a pretty high rate in full-auto, so it'd take a bit of training to be able to use it well. Also the bipod was kind of shit.

>>33232766
The F2000's scope was huge because it was at some point planned to have advanced targeting technology like the XM25, which would link to an underbarrel 40mm launcher, with special smart grenades, making it an OICW.

The OICW as a concept kind of died off a bit though so they never really pursued that much.

>>33232898
The Americans aren't moving away from belt-feds, the Marines have more M249s now than they did when they announced they were going to "replace it".

>inb4 muh IAR

The Russians aren't moving away from beltfeds either, they're currently issuing the Pecheneg, a modernized PKM, because it turns out a GPMG is a very good thing to have in an infantry squad.

Likewise, they were looking at a belt-fed 5.45x39mm machinegun recently (don't remember if that program continued), as they saw that there was a value to a concept like that.
Whether or not the Russians would outright replace the RPK74 with a beltfed is another story, I could see them serving side by side.

>>33231051

So you could get a lower profile in the prone position.

>>33232599
>Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression.
This is the stupidest shit I've ever read in my life.

>>33230945
It was harder to store them. The magazine gave the gun a larger on the horizontal axis and since you've already got the grip and trigger on the vertical axis you couldn't just store them side by side efficiently.

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>>33232599
>Supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression.

>>33232599
t. Lindybeige

>>33231938
sorry for my bad English, what i meant was in this thread, up until that one post, no one said that this would be one of the possible reasons.

>>33232599
Tell us about the Spandau next

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>>33232599

>Supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression. Meanwhile the Japanese took the Bren design and used it as a full auto sniper rifle.

>>33231050
That is a very pretty machinegun.

How does buying a machinegun work? Do you purchase the gun then the seller holds onto it until the paperwork is approved. Do you actually pay for it before the paperwork is approved or is the whole transaction on hold?

Wish c&r laws overruled the 86 gca

>>33233931
Why has he such a bad reputation ? Just curious

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>>33232599
>there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression

>>33235713
Because he talks shit like he's an expert but 90% of the time he's clueless.

FG owner here. It tends to unbalance your rifle and having a giant fucking magazine in your fov is annoying. It's low enough to not block your combat fov, but its visible enough to be annoying, also shit tends to get caught on it more and it's just weird man.

Takes too much space. Why put the mag on the side when the grip is already adding 5 inches vertically?

>>33236138
Because most mags are longer than the grip.

Also, in the case of the FG42, it allowed them to shorten the overall length by a lot because you could but the magwell right above the grip. This is important for its intended use as a paratrooper weapon.

>>33233788
The Bren had an effective range of around 600 yards (550 m) when fired from a prone position with a bipod. Initial versions of the weapon were sometimes considered too accurate because the cone or pattern of fire was extremely concentrated. Soldiers often expressed a preference for worn-out barrels in order to spread the cone of fire and increase suppressive effects. Later versions of the Bren addressed this issue by providing a wider cone of fire.[6]

>>33236506
>>33235726

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>>33235664

Anime loving niggers

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>>33236511
repeating retarded shit doesn't make it true

>>33232552
>shit-tier on full auto or is it just a meme?
the fg42 weight about as much as the kar98 and fire the same 7.92mm mauser

>>33230945
Steyr still make one, the HS 50 M1.

.50 BMG with 5 round magazine, fed from the side.

>>33236533
The stock is on a spring so it actually has way less felt recoil.

>>33232552

dunno, i only own the semi-auto US made reproduction

the side mag thing isn't a big deal in terms of balance, once i get in a sitting position and my arms are supported it feels fine.

also the side mag lets me get really low when shooting prone. i don't use the bipod because it is fragile (on both the repros and originals)

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>>33230974
What?

>>33230945
Wouldn't it make shooting while laying down better as the magazine would not hit the ground? Other then that I'd stick with a vertical feed as you don't have weight pulling the gun to the side and its easier to load and more friendly to left handed people.

>>33236523
>literally has a citation and source for it
you should kill yourself

>>33237441
>mad no one is buying his retarded bullshit

>>33231010
>impossibility of ambidexterity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw3eKWvDGqQ

>>33237246
Anyone who's actually used that will tell you it's also a shitty idea.

>>33232599
Lindy are you fucking wired again?

>>33237246
FUCK THAT SHIT


The action cycles faster than the magazine feeds, enjoy having to cock every 2 rounds

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>>33232599
>Supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression. Meanwhile the Japanese took the Bren design and used it as a full auto sniper rifle.

>>33237246
The AR magwell on the M249 is absolutely shit though, the action is too fast for the magazine to keep up, meaning you'll frequently find yourself on an empty chamber, and it's known for raping the feedlips on both aluminum and plastic magazines.

The thing adds weight and is of questionable value.

>>33237565
>>33237840
Nice memes.

>>33232599
This is so wrong. I can't think of a single scenario where you would want to have worse accuracy on a gun

>>33238017
It's useful in an automatic support weapon that is intended for suppressive fire over an area of effect.

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>>33232599
Include me in the screencap

>>33238049
Why? What do you think you get that you wouldn't by just moving the gun around given you're holding it?

The FG-42 with a scope attached was basically the spitting image of a modern battle rifle, only it existed in the early 1940s. Why couldn't the uncucked Germans have won that war so that our rifles today could be blessed with even more advanced Kraut magic?

>>33237857
It's true though, they removed it for a reason on upgraded models.

>>33238103
>Why couldn't the uncucked Germans have won that war so that our rifles today could be blessed with even more advanced Kraut magic?
Because the Germans were really incredibly bad at logistics, and furthermore economy.

Winning a war in the long run would have been an insurmountable challenge to them because they couldn't hold shit together, and assuming they sued for peace and the war ended with them having a chunk of Europe, shit would just fucking crumble because they had an absolutely awful grasp on economy, them conquering other nations was essentially the only thing which kept their economy afloat.

The idea that Germany was an efficient and well oiled machine is a meme by Joseph Goebbels that persists to this day, in reality they were furiously inefficient in many, MANY ways.

>>33237565
>>33237840

>M249 cyclic rate: 800 rpm
>M16 cyclic rate: 900 rpm

>It shoots too fast for the magazine!

>>33237441
>"citation" is a single word, with no further links or explanation
No, you should desu

>>33238263
So when everyone who uses it complains that the gun fails to pick up rounds from the magazine they're bullshitting?

>>33238286
From me experince a magazine doesnt lock up as securley in the 249, maybe the vibrations and weaker lock up cause the rounds to not feed properly?

>>33238286

I didn't say that, did I? What I said was that it has nothing to do with the speed of the action. If you'd like to know, I did dozens of "tests" with every type of magazine I could find when I was deployed, and only had feeding issues with GI green follower magazines. Those are notorious for binding up during any kind of fire in weapons that are designed to feed from them primarily, let alone as a secondary feed option.

>>33238318
I've heard they smash the lips of Pmags

>>33238370

You heard right. It's also hard to seat or remove any polymer magazines.

>>33232599
fuck u spandaus

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>>33238240
>Because the Germans were really incredibly bad at ... economy.
If that were the case, there never would have been a war.

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>>33232599
This is well crafted, thought out bait
Seriously.

>>33240501
>international bankers
hmmmmmm
really roasts my chestnuts

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>>33232599

>>33230945
Less maneuverable in tight spaces I suppose. Thought I do find them aesthetically pleasing!

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>>33232599
>that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression.

>>33235713
he's a fuckwit who talks about shit outside his experience and retards parrot him

>>33232599

(You)

>>33240501
That system being to borrow heavily to build up your economy and then pay them off with war booty.

>>33238070
>Include me in the screencap

Why does someone always ruin it by doing this? Stop being so desperate.

>>33241045
So you jews like to claim.

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>>33232599
>Supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression.
You know, this is just dumb enough for a boot to actually do it.

>>33241254
Different guy, but that is exactly what the Nazis did.

No claim about it.

>>33241419
Sure it is, Morty.

>>33232599
>Supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression
get the fuck out Lindy

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>>33232599
>Supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression.

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>>33232599

>supposedly, the Bren was such a good and accuracy LMG that there are reports of the users purposely damaging the barrel to hinder accuracy and improve suppression. Meanwhile the Japanese took the Bren design and used it as a full auto sniper rifle.

>>33236533

I heard if you fired full auto the gun destroyed itself.

>>33230945
back in the day spring steel was 0/10 garbage, ESPECIALLY nazi spring steel. This means you need more room for springs, so side loading allows prone firing and shortens the action

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>>33232599