Milsurp is love, milsurp is life.

just waiting on bullets and i can officially start reloading 7.7 jap.

>>33229192
>>33229184
Gun weeb genocide when

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>>33229201

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>>33229192
I just sent my check off for the group buy of 11mm Gras and 7.65 mm Longue dies.

>I don't even have a gun in each caliber

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>>33229222
Someone else with a T99 with all of the widgits?

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Ha ha time to post the same tired pictures!

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>>33229163
>I honestly think there may be none in WI.
You're wrong. While I haven't seen much milsurp at the pawn shops with FFLs in my area they do have cheap guns. 90% of my 'surp is from WI; only a couple have come from actual shops; most are FTF or live auction buys.

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>>33229231
>Didn't pay $200+ for special order ones years ago.

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>New pics when edition

>>33229266
Is that the SA marked m91 you're trying to sell?

>>33229300
When I get new stuff I post new pics.

So I'll have something up by next weekend at the latest. Profit sharing is Friday and I have a local gun show this weekend and a big one next weekend.

What are the best gun shows in the northern indiana-illinois or southern wisconsin Michigan area

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>>33229270
Pawn shops here in Tx are a shit. Not many shops with milsurps either. One day, I would love to have a shop like that.
>>33229293
Which is why I am doing the group buy now so I don't have to pay a shit load so I can make a magazine's worth of rounds.

>>33229270
It's probably the same few guys. I know several who are collectors, but they already have everything that I have and more, so I can't sell to them. It's also my location. I see plenty of decent stuff from up in the Northwoods, but that's at least a 2 hour drive. Not worth for stuff I'm selling/buying.
I know if I put stuff up on gunbroker it would probably sell, I just am really paranoid that something will break in shipping. Armslist has proven to be a very small market. I used to buy/sell more guns over facebook.

>>33229336
Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids are decent in Michigan. Manistee is great but probably too far out of your way.

>>33229367
Ever been to crown pointe? I've heard good things.

>>33229310
Yeah. I still like to pull it out and play with it. I want to fund something like a Finn m27.

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>>33229262
literally stolen, 400$ 2 years ago. intact mum, all matching, with bayonet. it had and original sling but I took that off and put on a repro since I actually use this thing.
>>33229192
50gr's of IMR 4350 behind a 150gr soft point with a seating depth of 3.00" is comfy to shoot, matches the irons close enough out to 400. according to my chronograph it does 2318fps with a standard deviation of 40fps. original military loading's were 181gr's at 2400 fps

>>33229323
Everytime there's a gun show near me I end up working. Its really hampering my ability to expand my collection.

>>33229377
Never even heard of it.

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>>33229443
I take it's a Kokura Arsenal made one?

>it had and original sling but I took that off and put on a repro since I actually use this thing.
Wtf? Why would you take the original one off? They just fall apart if you do that. My original sling is pretty crusty.

That repro looks pretty ugly too.

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>>33229266
>>33229380
I swear I saw one of armslist just like that near me a while back.

>>33229336
Best gunshow in SE WI is the Milwaukee one. However, it's only twice a year which fucking sucks.

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>overpaid for it because I really liked the grips
>grips chipped right after I took this picture
It's still fun to shoot, though.

>>33229359
maybe give gunfortress a shot.

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>>33229504
I bought it a year ago from a guy I know. He had it listed there. I went to post pics on a milsurp thread right after I bought it and some guy posted the pic from the armslist post and was asking if it was worth the price.

>>33229505
what is that? I like it.

>>33229452
I've been craving a M91 so badly I might just have and get a Finn'd one.

>>33229336
All SE WI gun shows are terrible. You might find a diamond in the rough, but damn is there a lot of overpriced trash.

>>33229569
Went to Sturtevant a couple of weeks ago. Was okay I guess

>>33229558
A long rifle or a dragoon?

>>33229547
Postwar p38. 1961 I think.

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>>33229532
LOL, that was me asking about the price. I have a 1928 Izzy Ex-Dragoon and I really wanted a Dragoon to go with it.

>>33229569
This. Went to Waukesha last week and it's always so fucking crowed and overpriced. The only show I've had luck at is Milwaukee.

>>33229367
Where are the milsurp stores in Grand Rapids? I always have to drive to kzoo to buy my old guns

>>33229605
Long rifle preferably.
>>33229702
No clue, I rarely go out that way. Which sucks because the western side of the State is supposed to be milsurp heaven.

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>>33229688
I got an OK deal on this yugo SKS at the previous waukesha show, but I bought it from some guy who was just walking around with it. All the private sellers have no clue what the market is. And NONE of them want to negotiate.

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>>33229743
Yeah mine is a dragoon.

>Dat wood grain doe

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>>33229184
Guy on Armslist said he will sell hist SVT-40 for $780 dollars, he said he ships first and while I track the package I pay by USPS money order. Should I do it? Or should I use this money for ammo.

>>33229785
Smells fishy m8.

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>>33229336
>>33229569
>>33229688
Haven't gone to any in a few years, but I enjoyed the one in Fond du lac the most.
Found my FR-8 Mauser for $300 there five years ago and my Springfield 03a3 for $400.

>>33229796
Sounds like more than a """few""" years ago

>>33229796
Yeah I know a guy who guy a stamped receiver sks for a good price st the last fond du lack show. I gotta branch out from just waukesha/Jefferson but those shows are so bad it makes me not want to even try. I am going to try to make it to Iola this year, though I heard last year was weak.

>>33229791
Yeah, the thing is with money orders, and shipping they got to use their home address to claim it, he said he will give shipping details first.

In the past I have ordered stuff off armslist with money orders and I never had a hitch with it, but this would be my first gun order online.

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>>33229828
It was the growing number of lard-asses standing in the middle of the aisles and manning tables paired with rising prices that kept me away the past two years.
I don't even want to imagine how it was during the election season.

>>33229785
money ordering firearms seems standard to me? unless I'm missing something I don't see anything out of the ordinary

>>33229879
Armslist is the most shady of all gun websites, and people get ripped off on GunBroker often enough as it is.

>>33229879
It's the price. That's crazy low for a SVT40 in the US. Although if it's missing the mag that might make up for it, I think they are $200 a piece.

>>33229879
Yup, but ordering from private party across state-lines lists more concerns, hence they're not a dealer.

Like I said i've done over the state shipping, but that was just for small stuff like magazines, and ammo.

>>33229904
I looked at the pictures he sent, and everything seems to be intact, he said he bought it from an estate sale and doesn't want it/ doesn't know much about them.

>>33229443
>50gr's of IMR 4350 behind a 150gr soft point
i went to cabelas to pick up a powder and picked one somewhat randomly just for the 7.7jap, h4895. ill be using hornady 150gr sp.

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>>33229785
>>33229837
I've bought guns shipped on armslist before. It's something that shouldn't be done lightly and you really need to figure out if the guy is legit or not and then still pray that you didn't get scammed. One time I noticed it was an FFL and I looked up his shop. That helped a lot.

>>33229926
>>33229926
>>>33229904
>doesn't want it/ doesn't know much about them.

Hmmm

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>>33229201

Arisaka, best, barrel folded steel 7 barillion times. Boollet so sharp can shoot through tank.

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>>33230332
>"02/45"
Too much want.

>>33230108
Whats your process to see if a private seller is "legit" on armslist? I'd feel like if I were to go through with this i'd at least want to know what to do and what to look for when doing this sort of transaction.

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>>33230332
Yes, Arisakas are the best.

The boltheads in OP's pic are offset by 90 degrees.

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>>33230477
>The boltheads in OP's pic are offset by 90 degrees.
What did he mean by this?

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>>33230419
1.) see if the pics are actually done by the person. It helps to ask for new pics of markings, etc.
2.) search the user's e-mail on google and see if anything shows us.
>>33230477
Wat? Type 99s do not have separate bolt heads. You're just seeing the guide rib.

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Mismatched M24/47 and Wartime production German P38

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>go to Nambuworld's website again
>Members Webspace has been retired
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. It was active just a couple days ago.

She had a good selection of material too ;_;

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>>33229262
yup. all matching too.

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>>33230718
Ignore the AR

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>>33230762
My oldest rifle

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Lets say I want to get into the milsurp arms collecting and such.

What would make for a good first purchase in this market?

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When you finally get a gun that is older than your house but only by one year.

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>>33230818
Swedish Mauser prices seem to be holding steady at $300-500 right now.

>>33230854
Got my 1899 for 200

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>tfw everyone gets a nice pretty range but you

>>33230900
southern Indiana?

fucking wet year round here too

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>>33230818
>Swede Mauser
>Nugget
>Vz24 Czech Mauser
>Gew 88s (with S shank)

All of those are still pretty cheap despite being high quality arms. All relatively cheap to shoot and can take modern commercial ammo (PPU).

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>>33230900
That doesn't look half-bad Anon.

>>33230818
Classic firearms has some Persian Mausers contracted by BRNO right now. Grab one

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>>33230913
close, LBL's gun range in western KY. It was a beautiful day but the place is trashed to hell and back. It's like shooting in a landfill.

There was an entire TV and a bunch of other shit all over.

On the bright side I had a good day shooting my commie pistols. Man that 9x18 blowback can be snappy though.

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stabby stabby

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>>33230900
>>33230944
>>33231025
I honestly wouldn't shoot as much as I do or own as many firearms if I had to drive to a range to shoot. do they let you dick around at all?

>>33231086
my range has no RO's or anything, it's basically public land with some benches. I had the whole range to myself for an hour and could do whatever I wanted.

given the random shit I found on the ground, it doesn't seem the rules are enforced anyways. I did a lot of rapid fire with my pistols for example because I was considering carrying on and wanted to see if they would jam. Nobody said shit to me because no one was there.

>>33230900
get a stick with a metal spike on the end to pick up trash

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>>33231086
My range is a private club, so there's no RSO on duty except during events. Generally no-one cares what you're doing as long as you're following the 4 rules and not shooting trash on the range.

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>>33230332
A gun that can cut other guns

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>>33229184
I just picked up this M1897 for 199, I don't think its military and from what the clerk told me it got bubba'd, still nice though and I can't wait to shoot it

>>33231518
>I don't think its military
It's not.

Is a 100 dollars for 340 rounds of surplus 7.62x54r with and ammo can a good deal?

>>33231738
100/340 = .29
.29 cents a round is really good these days. I'd take it if i were you.

>>33231738
No

>>33231766
Well if that's a no for you, I'd like to know where you get ammo so cheap these days.

>>33229270
>>33229359

hello Wisconsin!

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Anyone have a good source for Swedish Mauser stocks and sights? Just picked up this one for $205, and the polymer has to go.

>>33232063
No point when it's fucked that much.

Leaf fag here, I understand SVT 40s are crazy money in the states. Anybody have any Idea what a Rasheed in decent shape is worth?

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>>33232063
>scope is on backwards
Presumably so Bubba could kill himself with precision.

Restoring that one would be more work and $$$ than it would ever be worth, even for an m/94 carbine.

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Just how much exactly is a Fianna Fail SMLE worth?
How collectible are they?

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I didn't wana make a full thread about it.

What's the best place to sell a gun? Forums? I live in the Chattanooga TN area and I regrettably have to sell my 1942 Springfield M1. I want to make sure it goes to a good home and I won't let it be displayed at some pawn shop

>>33232564
Gunboards is good. And it's free.

>>33229184
What should I do with a Spanish 1912 Mauser and an Ishapore 2A1 which have had the bluing removed by the previous owner. Is it worth getting them hot blued, or should I polish them up and deal with the abomination.

>>33232625
I'd like to sell locally face to face

>>33232657
Stipulate that in your ad then. I'd still recommend gunboards.

>>33232708
thanks tripfag

>>33232708
Armslist then.

>>33232628

Any sort of bluing is better then stripped bare metal. The damage is done, hot or cold best preserve them in fire able condition. Speaking of do you know where I can get an absolute beater of a 2a1, I want to do a long term project but I need one thats in good working order but has bad finish, barrel and whatever.

>>33232754
No idea, sorry. Bought them from within the family.

>>33232564
how much? I wish I could buy it but I'm on the other side of the state and haven't gotten my tax return yet

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>>33231694
had a feeling, is it any different from the military variant?

Also, this is one of the reason it was cheap

>>33229231
HA! looks like I'm not the only one. still pissed I didn't win the 1935A or Gras I wanted in the last RIA

>>33233194
There are a TON of 35a's on gunbroker right now.

Need help on figuring out if $400 for a mosin nagant m44 is worth it. Not really informed on guns and thought this is a good place to start.

>>33233404
$400 would be top dollar for an m44. it had better be super clean for it to be worth it

>>33233246
where are you seeing them? I'm seeing 2 or 3 tops, only one of which is reasonably priced (for now)

>>33233404
dont pay $400 for a nugget

For you guys that have an 03 FFL what do you use for your log book? Just a spiral blund notebook?
From what i understand you just need to record: make, model, serial no., and date recieved/transdered

Am i missing something?

>>33233428
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/626154060
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/627809057
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/627476671
There were 5 or 6 more a few days ago.

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Picked up this m48 today

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>>33234561
Happy Mauser day!

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>>33233404
Need more info on maker/year/condition. I'll give you a baseline. I value my nice arsenal refurbished 1943 m44 at $350. But a realistic selling price is probably $300.

>>33233929
Also you are an idiot please go back to /arg/>>33233428

>>33234561
I remember when those were dirt cheap a couple years back and I had no interest in them. Now I still have almost no interest in them but kind of want once because I know its probably a solid investment

anyone want to see my new sks

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>>33235952
Sure, show it off.

Unless you bubba'ed it.

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1989 yugo sks just picked it up and cleaned it

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I don't got no fancy pictures, but it's a 1943 Izzy nugget. I enjoy it.

>>33232063
Damn do you are losing money as we speak with that. Just try and flip it again

>>33234789
I'll come back with more info tomorrow, but from what I seen the barrel looks clean. I think thats one of their main reason for the price.

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Did i miss the "post yer japshit" part of the thread?

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>>33236461
Nope.

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>>33236269
Mosins most fun.
Mine's same year same factory.

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>>33236497
Ok cause thats alll i have so here my nazishit

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murica

and that all i have from these angles. I should do one with my Martini Henry w/ the spike bayonet attached

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>>33236461
Japshit is bestshit.

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>>33229231
>7.65 French Longue

Known in the US as .30 Pedersen. With ammo and dies now you just need M1903 MkI and a Pedersen devise.

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>>33236575
Very much underrated. I always have a blast shooting my Type 38. My Type 99 is a last ditch so not that fun to shoot. Now I just need a Type 30.

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>>33236578
>you just need $50,000

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Just got a Yugo Mauser, I can't read Cyrillic but I assume the receiver marking say it was made in 1944, but I'm a newfag so I'm it sure

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>>33236592
What's not fun about shooting your "last ditch?"

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>>33236629
>NPEAV3ERE 44

>>33236629
It says factory 44.

>>33236633
It's just that the action isn't nearly as nice as the Type 38 and it's not nearly as accurate. It works just fine and is a fantastic last ditch, but I usually shoot for accuracy not just to blast away down range.

>>33236607
>$50k
$48,500 of which will be spent on the Pedersen device, and $1500 for a nice correct MkI.

Should I kill myself now that all milsurp is expensive and rare as fuck and I'll never get to own even half of what I want without totally ruining my finances in an irresponsible degenerate manner?

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>>33236691
Got someone who can import for you?
Collector of 19th century arms died and his stuff is going to auction next month.

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>>33236721
I felt the same way 3 years ago and now............

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>>33236721
My french mauser (middle) cost me less than $250 and I bought it about 2 months ago.

I have an all matching 71/84 Mauser i just picked up for $325 a couple weeks back.

shit is out there anon, and as the greatest generation dies off between 2010-2020 there is a treasure trove of bring backs and hoarded goodies that is trickling back onto the market for the first time in 60 years.

just keep a few hundred bucks on hand and do some shopping...estate sales, LGS, pawn shops, consignment shops (Gander MTN, Cabelas etc) check often, and network network network. Its not always what you know, but who you know.

if you still cant get anything, then fucking move to a red state.

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>>33236798
nice. i need to start taking pictures of fixed bayonets.

I have both the socket and the sword martini bayonets.

>>33236836
>if you still cant get anything, then fucking move to a red state.

fuck

>>33236792
theres a big time collector in STL and his dementia got really bad and his wife took all his shit to rock island and gave all his reloading supplies to Graf's.

the guy had so much stuff that graf's is selling bullet molds NIB for $10 trying to clear the inventory.

>>33229184
folding carcano bayo?
price?

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>>33236876
They go for $150-250.

Mine came with my rifle.

>>33236881
I almost wanna keep it and get the rifle for it because its so cool and carcano carbines are so handy.

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>>33236876
oh, almost forgot. they do make repros of the folders now and I think those are around $80.

they also converted a lot of the original folders to fixed bayonets.
>pic is a fixed/folder on an beretta '38

>>33236890
the one in my pic is not 'handy', its chambered in 7.35 italian. I shot it at the 2014 MWNF and havent fired it since. Only got 80 rounds for the fucker.

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>>33236592
>Type 30
Rifle or carbine?

>>33236836
>its not always what you know, but who you know.
This. My dad and I were super into war movies n shit when I was a kid but i grew up in a very no guns type of house and lifestlye. Once i graduated college I started buying up shit left and right as seen here >>33236798
A year ago my dad passively mentioned his good friend of his since college has a safe full of some cool stuff and asked if id like to go see it.

8 EIGHT fucking safes filled with everything imaginable from a safe filled with literally nothing but K31s and swedish gustavs. to 10 M1 garands stack ontop of each other in gunsock. and entire safe devoted to pistols with manufacturing dates no more recent than 1960. Not to mention a few NFA full fun shit to boot


I better be in that fucking will

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>>33229262
Yee

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>>33236928
>spirited away
>kikis delivery service
Shit taste m8.
Porco Rosso is only true /k/ Miyazaki

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>>33236911
niiiice

yea I have loads of stories similar to that. you get the best stuff that way. they'll usually give you the 'family' discount too if you're good friends.

Thats how I got about a third of my guns, including my pre-war Belgian Mauser.

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>>33237226
that was good except for the mosin load. you're supposed to pull up on the top round and push down with the rear of it.

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>>33237226
nice video

do you shoot that 6.5 vetterli? I have one that I am afraid might pipebomb.

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>>33237467
I just got some 6.5x52 dies, I slugged the barrel and I'll have to order the bullet mold. i'll shoot a very weak smokeless load out of it. I have my 10.4x38r vetrerli to fill the void til then

>>33237678
>
did you convert the 10.4 to centerfire?

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>>33237723
yea

>>33237728
can you give me a quick rundown on how hard that is to do? is it something you can do yourself or do you need to take it to a gunsmith with a machine shop?

theres a 10.4 veterreli at my LGS and ive been thinking about picking it up but it is in original rimfire config. they want $450 for it which seems a bit high, but its in nice shape and if i can actually convert it to a shooter i would consider making an offer

>>33236902
I want a rifle. I've seen them, but it's always been a thing of finding one and having the money haven't lined up yet.

>>33232507
Extremely collectable to autists who go on about how fucking Irish they are. A bit of time of google will reveal numerous forum posts about them and the 'Irish Contract' No4 rifles that never even left the warehouse, generally these will be people inquiring how they can find them.

To everyone else they're about as collectable, and worth as much, as any other Lee Enfield with abnormal history/markings and a particular condition.

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>>33238832
FF SMLEs were actually issued though.

>>33236721
I don't drink, I don't go to exotic countries or travel when I have time off, I don't have a girlfriend, I don't have a nice car, I don't buy expensive clothes, I don't have a TV or games console but I do have a lot of money for milsurp and reloading.

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>>33238854
I never implied they weren't, /k/omrade.

>>33238489
I was lucky, I managed to find a rifle and a carbine within 6 months of one another. I think there is a rifle on Liberty tree right now.

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>>33239098
>I think there is a rifle on Liberty tree right now.
It's sold. They do have an extremely early Type 38 carbine though.

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>>33239360
If I didn't already have a 38 carbine I'd pick it up.

All I need now is a 44 and I have all the Japanese carbines.

>>33239401
>All I need now is a 44 and I have all the Japanese carbines.
Murata.

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>>33239419
Black powder, not interested.

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>why yes I do collect shooty katanas

>>33239445
>Black powder
Type-22 Murata carbine.

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>>33239445
There comes a point in which you collected so many guns you have to branch out. That's when you get accessories, kits and uniforms. I got currency, money and stamps too. lol

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>want to shoot mosin
>ranges bench seats suck, can't get a good stance because the seat is so low
>rifle beats the shit out of my shoulder due to the angle.
>only other way to use the bench is how I saw two rednecks using it where they quite literally posed like pic related over the table.
>no place to lay down a mat and shoot prone

Is it bad habit to shoot these rifles standing up? It honestly would be the most comfortable way for me to shoot it there at this rate. Range is pretty clearly meant for hunters sighting in deer rifles for about 5 shots max and it really shows. Firing anything more than that at that sorry ass table was a pain in the ass.

>>33239767
Well after I fill the vast need for smokeless powder guns, I'll probably move on to my other hobbies. Namely books and beers. Or welders. I do love collecting welders.
>>33239785
Why wouldn't you shoot it standing?

>>33239767
At what point do you start reenacting?

I have had and sold many mil surp rifles. I shouldn't have done that with a few but hey no one got hurt my wallet. I get them off of classic and from a local FFL. I'm a huge Mosin man and I have special love for the Mauser pattern as well.

>>33239785
Just shoot standing. Or if you must sit, sit upright and hold the rifle off the table. There's no rule you that you HAVE to use the rest.

>>33239918
figured it would be hard to do accurate shots past a 100meters. I'm not used to shooting standing with a rifle so I'm not as familiar with the technique.

>>33240165
The problem isn't the rest is too low, it's that there is no rest and the table is too high. Imagine the table at about shoulder height, that's how it is with the built in bench.

>>33240840
Learn to shoot with a sling.

>>33240840
Not hard, just takes practice. Look up a "hasty sling" and that'll help.

What should I buy next? I only have an M96 and can reload.

Also how much should I reasonably expect to pay for a SMLE or K31?

>>33241776
$400-600 for the Enfield, $500-800 for the K31. Both are fun, the K31 is more accurate, and looks better IMO. If you want a recommendation, of course I say a Mas 36 or a Lebel.

>>33241809
>frog guns

what is the appeal in them? Since when has the French military ever done anything noteworthy in the past hundred years. The only time I hear of them doing anything at all besides screwing up horribly is when they're working for someone else.

Now if you found me a Napoleonic musket or something hell yeah I'd be on that like white on rice. I just don't see the appeal in their more modern guns aside from the FAMAS.

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>>33241879
Other than the fact that they're really good guns and fun to shoot? If you have a inherent bias against the French then nothing is going to change your mind.

Also the Mas 36 is the best infantry bolt action rifle ever made.

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>>33242048

NYET

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>>33242069
Oh but it is.

>>33242048
I was mainly asking historically speaking. That's why I pick my guns mainly.

I've never held one so they could be nice mechanically for all I know but my god they're ugly as sin. Poor things look like a Picasso reject of what he would think a gun would look like.

>>33242062
the Manchurian candidates two piece "Soviet sniper weapon"

>>33239605
spotted the butthurt AR owner

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My Mauser 71/84 with all matching numbers, shoots like a dream

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>>33241879
>Since when has the French military ever done anything noteworthy in the past hundred years.
Besides winning two world wars?

>>33242062
Gibe!

>>33236461
>live less then 2 miles from this spot
>hear people having funs every day becuase everyone and their grandma shoots here(true story)
>Working too much getting business off the ground

>plus side I am getting better at knowing guns by sound.

>>33242357
>winning 2 world wars

I'll give you WWI, but what did France do in WWII besides give the Germans a major overconfidence complex? The resistance did some work (civilians) and they did some fighting for both sides, but I don't really recall the French military doing much of anything, at least nowhere near the contributions of Britain, America, Russia, hell even the Poles or Australians.

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>>33242533
Free French troops served in all theaters of the war and by the end of the war they had the 4th largest army and because of that the US Army redirected more troops to the Pacific.

It was also French troops who held Rommel up for 3 weeks at Bir Hakeim that allowed Monty to regroup and defeat him at El Alamein.

>>33242763
that's what I mean though, they were fighting for the Americans with American gear. They weren't exactly using native gear or anything. Hence why I'm not seeing the historical appeal of French weapons. Hell most French weapons have more history being used by German forces in WWII than with their original owners.

Hence why I said "what did they do when they weren't working for someone else."

Not trying to troll here, I've just never gotten why people considered France so integral to WWII from a contribution standpoint. I would place the Poles, Australians, hell even New Zealanders over the French, and definitely Canada, as far as contributions to the war effort go. They definitely didn't do enough to warrant getting a chunk of Germany to manage after the war. I always felt that was more a pity prize of "hey sorry we didn't come back to bail you out until 1944" as opposed to a sign that they really did all that much.

Honestly France's biggest contribution was the resistance network, but that's not exactly a military effort.

>captcha :stop center

I'll never stop captcha

>>33241809
Thanks, I intend to get both eventually. I know a place locally that had a few K31s and Schmidt–Rubin 1911s so I'll probably get one of those first.

I thought Enfields would be more expensive so I think I can hold on one.

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>>33242858
>they were fighting for the Americans with American gear. They weren't exactly using native gear or anything.
So were the Poles, Czechs, Dutch, Danes, Belgians, etc. The French were under their own command unlike most of the others.

And it's not exactly true that they didn't use their own gear. The older units did for awhile before ammo ran out and their uniforms went to shreds.

Also, the French destroying their own fleet in Toulon was one of the biggest contributions given to the Allies by any of those nations listed above. Keeping the Kriegsmarine weak helped keep the Mediterranean under British control and keep the Italian navy in port.

>>33242881
Enfields CAN go upwards of $2500 but that's not the typical.

>>33242931
OK I'll look that stuff up then. I read quite a lot of WWII history but most of my knowledge is on the eastern front involving the USSR vs Germany and it's allies.

I've never even heard of many of these French contributions till now so I'll do some reading on them and see what I've missed. Thanks for sharing all that, it seems like nobody ever really talks about the French in WWII. I remember being surprised playing CoD Big Red one as a teen when the guys shooting at me were yelling in French, first I'd ever heard of the Vichy forces.

>>33241809
>$500-800 for the K31

I dont like this meme

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>>33243422
Find one cheaper then boss.

>>33243422
K11s usually run a bit cheaper, $350-450 or so if you don't mind a full-sized rifle.

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>>33234789
It has 1943 stamped on it and not sure where to find out the maker. So what do you think its valued at?

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>Walk into local gun shop
>Tell myself "Not gonna buy anything, just gonna look around"
>See this
>20 minutes later walking out with it

So I guess I own a Turkish mauser now. Unfortunately not a number-matching one, and the wood on the top of the receiver is split, but everything mechanically seems pretty nice.

The only somewhat annoying thing I've noticed is that while the safety is in the 'upright' position if you pull the bolt back, the back end of it that you unscrew for disassembly is completely loose and will rotate down on its own. Is this normal, or is there supposed to be a tab/ button that holds that section in place when in the upright position?

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He's my M95 carbine, trying to sell it, so I can get a MAS 49.

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>Czech K98s are now $700.

OK Classic.

What's the average price for a K98k nowadays. It doesn't have to be matching and immaculate, I just want a shooter. If it makes any difference, I live in California.

>>33243466
you really arnt wrong it just pisses me off. I had been planning on buying one for years and fell asleep at the wheel on this one.

>>33244009
I remember when they were on sale for $89 out the door.

>>33244006
figure low end of 700 if you dont want russian marks

>>33244021
What year was this grandpa?

$400 sound about right for a No. 4 Mk I? Looked to be in good overall condition, only thing was that the rear handguard wobbled back and forth like a quarter of an inch. Didn't pop off though.

>>33244091
yep

>>33244091
Sounds about right. I'd see if you could haggle a bit off on account of the handguard, though.

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>>33244068
2005.

>>33231518
I'd suck so much dick for an 1897 but every one i've found so far is over 1000 bucks. I just want to make a trench gun ffs.

>>33244754
you could always pick up the norinco version

>>33244778
They're like $700 these days.

But they are a lot of fun.

>>33244806
where can i find a nornico? everywhere i look is out of stock.

>>33244806
what about IAC? found a site that is selling IAC trench guns for 350.

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>>33243738
Welcome to the Turkish Rifle Club, Anon!

>is there supposed to be a tab/ button that holds that section in place when in the upright position?
You have an M93/33; the M1893 Mauser action does not have the spring detent of the later M98 action meant to capture the bolt shroud and prevent it from rotating when the bolt is in the open position.

>>33243663
maker would be right next to the serial number usually. It's either a star for Tula or an arrow/triangle for ishzlvezk.

>>33244867
That is Norinco. And are you sure it's the trench gun variant and not just a 1897?

>>33244902
Ah, good to know! Is there any way to stiffen it up at all? The shroud on mine just seems excessively loose, even for not having the detent.

Also, where/ what should I search for a sling? I'm not particularly concerned with 100% period correct, but something that matches it would be nice.

>>33243738
I impulse bought a Yugo Mauser today too. I'd take pics but Illinois has a 24 waiting period.

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>>33245066
>something that matches it would be nice.
Johnny Turk would and did use anything for a sling. Older Ottoman-contract Mauser slings, Enfield slings, men's belts, lengths of rope, etc. Their army was quite poor after the Republic was founded. The usual sling pattern of the period was a leather strap about 42" long with thong ties at each end to secure it once looped through the sling swivels, and holes evenly-spaced along one end to adjust length. Any generic South-American Mauser sling would work.

>>33245261
Lucky bastard, I almost bought a Yugo M48 instead of the Turkish rifle, but the Yugo sold the day before I could get to it. It was a pretty decent price too. Oh well, the turk was a little cheaper, and scratches the same itch for me at the moment.

>>33245268
Much appreciated Turkish Mauser-anon. I'll have to keep an eye out for some of those then. I'm assuming it's the same deal with Bayonets?

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>>33245066
Forgot the more important question.
>Is there any way to stiffen it up at all?
You might need a stronger (or just a new) mainspring; that should put enough tension on the cocking piece/bolt body interaction to induce sufficient friction to keep it in line.

>>33245309
>I'm assuming it's the same deal with Bayonets?
Those at least have a more standardized pattern, which collectors refer to as M1935 pattern. They have a wide ~10" fuller-ed blade and a long guard with muzzle ring for mounting on the M90-pattern bayonet lug that Turkey used on all of their contract-made and re-built Mausers. Sometimes older Ottoman-contract bayonets were cut down to the same length and style.
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=926
>my Turkish M35 bayonet on my Spanish M1893 because my Turk M38 is still in pieces

>NYfag
>gun stores never have any surplus, even mosins are hard to find

What the fuck do I do? Is PA better for surps? I'm terrible at auctions so gunbroker is a nonstarter

Is there any practical difference between a Yugo 24/47, 48, Czech Vz24, and German K98?
How do mausers feel to shoot compared to something like a nugget? My only other milsurp is a Type 53 carbine and it seems like a kicker.

>>33245015
oh didn't know that. Not sure since the pics wouldn't load. aside from that site only place i could find an iac 97 was classic old west arms for 850.

>>33245396
Sweet. I'll probably order a new mainspring this week then. I found them on Springfield Sporters, reputable site, or is there a better option for this stuff?

I'll be thinking on the bayonet though. Not sure how much use I'll get out of it, even for show. I don't think we'll get attacked by the angry watermelon monsters anytime soon.

>>33236530
>Martini-Henry
Is it .577?

>>33245477
To my knowledge they don't import the trench gun model anymore.

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>>33245504
>I found them on Springfield Sporters, reputable site, or is there a better option for this stuff?
Reputable yes, but perhaps better to get a brand-new one from Wolff to better cope with the hard/recessed primers of older surplus ammunition. I use a 22# spring for my M98s.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3415201991/wolff-extra-power-firing-pin-spring-mauser-93-94-95-96

>>33233929
This why would you pay that much for an old rifle when you can get modern versions.

>>33245475
I know the Yugo M48 has an ever so slightly shorter receiver and bolt than the K98, but other than that they're largely the same. The M48 was made on captured German machinery or some-such from what I understand, so that's basically what you're getting.

Not really sure on the others. They're all very similar rifles (basically shortened Gewehr 98s), with little differences here and there. Dunno how they compare to Nuggets.

>>33245622
You've been amazing help, anon. I shall love and cherish my Turkish rifle and hope to be of help to someone else down the road.

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Me holding an STG44 :^)

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>>33245475
>Is there any practical difference between a Yugo 24/47, 48, Czech Vz24, and German K98?
The indermediate-length FN M98 action of the Yugo M24/47 and M48 means that certain parts won't interchange with standard-length M98 actions like the Vz.24 and Kar.98k (like bolt bodies, extractors, firing pins, stocks, barrels). Functionally they are the same.

>>33245475
>How do mausers feel to shoot compared to something like a nugget?
Subjective. 8x57mmIS CAN be more powerful than 7.62x54mmR depending on the loadings (S-Patrone is certainly more powerful than LPS-Ball). To me they all feel about the same.

What are some good websites I can directly order surps from besides classic jewarms? Everywhere I've seen lists stuff that they don't even have in stock

>>33245695
That gun room looks magical.

>>33245475
>How do mausers feel to shoot compared to something like a nugget
Very boring and tiresome.

But for recoil, it's a broad question. I'll assume you mean a k98k or m24/47 or m48. They're roughly equal though 8mm can have a bit more oomph depending on the load you use. Proper form and stance goes a long way to mitigating felt recoil though.

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>>33245776
It ought to be, it's a Government collection :^)

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>>33245475
Honestly my M48 has less felt recoil than my M91/30. It's a different feeling. The mosin tends to kick the muzzle up where as the mauser is more like a firm flat shove backwards.

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>>33245701
There really isn't any. Go to gunshows, brokegunner and gun shops and search around.

>>33245701
Simpson LTD

>>33245832
I'm going to imagine that you're a qt and I'm going to fantasize about you having your way with me. Don't post your face. I don't want to risk being disappointed

>>33245885
I'm the same guy complaining that I live in NY, so gunshows are fucking terrible here and stores don't ever carry surplus, it's all durr guns and cuck ARs.

I'm scared of gunbroker because I'm bad at auctions, I always get outbid.

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>>33245933
I don't know whether to be happy or concerned.

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I have some gats.

>>33246019
Othais pls gib.

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>>33246019
Make a porno of your collection Othais

>>33246019
What's the shotgun with the wooden handguard?

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>>33246019
Hey othias. There was a thread about your show like a year or something ago where I kinda trashed May's performance because it felt like she wasn't enthused and was just doing it because you wanted to.

I watched the next 30 episodes, and I have to say, pretty much everything I bitched about was negated, so brofist senpai.

>>33246019
Shit, if it's really you, great show!

>>33246340
>>33246293
>>33246062
>>33246052
explain

>>33246352
C&Rsenal

>>33246352
When a man loves obsolete military firearms very much...

>>33246221
>shotgun?

Remington 10a. The gun is original WWI Trench but we had to swap a new handguard and bayonet lug on because 99.99% were stripped off post war.
>>33246293
>Mae was a but, is not now

Yeah, 99% of that was her just warming up to the show. She definitely loves gats. Motorcycles a bit more, but gats are still high.

>>33246340

thank

alright guys. Othias here.
AMA

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>>33246352
lurk moar, newfriend

>>>/candrsenal.com/
>>>/youtube.com/channel/UClq1dvO44aNovUUy0SiSDOQ/

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>>33246420
Which has better anti-aircraft sights, the Type 99 short rifle or the Type 99 long rifle?

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>>33246420
nice try

>>33246415
legit me

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>>33246420
Can you post a total pic of your whole collection or at least give us a run-down? Trying to keep track of the shit you have on your rack as it changes in all the videos is hard, and dosn't include your pistol display.

Your collection seems to be a lot more period-focused and pistol-centric than mine (shame I dont have any new collection pics, everything is old as fuck and I have some new forgottenweapons tier of rare new stuff)

What is the purpose of sights on guns like the K31 and SKS and probably many others that you can lift up and basically make them vertical? What's the point of this?

>>33246489
>What's the point of this?
So you can see the sight graduations from underneath and adjust your range without sticking your head up to look down.

>>33246489
Unless I'm mistaken in what you're asking, it's to zero at longer ranges. The battle sights are usually calibrated for shorter distances (100-200 yd-ish)

>>33246514
The K-31 and the SKS neither have sights marked on the bottom of the sight. I think he's confusing ladder sights with tangent sights.

What are some good places to find milsurp online besides gunbroker? Armslist never seems to have anything good in my area

>>33245573
Yes

>>33246415
Where did you get all your guns? I just started collecting and finding some stuff is a pain.

I love that everyone is replying to fake Othais AMA

>>33245420
That would take forever, also a lot of the room is on loan or has been bought but will later be sold because I gots no monies.


My private collection was WWII before the show. Then I sorta dipped into it to fund WWI stuff.. so I'm kinda collecting WWI now

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>>33229262

>>33245938
Then bid more, or you don't want it as much as the other guys do.

Bid what you're willing to pay. If you keep losing reevaluate just how much you want something. And hunt constantly. Gunbroker uses up 23% of my data every month, and I use 30gb every month.

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>>33246598
Your (probably repro) sling is on backwards.

>>33246019
When are you doing the episode of the 1895 Russian? I'm guessing the Greek and Romanian Mannlichers are next.

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>>33246589
At least give us a list senpai. You talk like a poorfag but then you have a hundred guns in your mustard room.

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>>33246627

oh its absolutely a repro sling.

i get two benefits out of having it on backwards: trigger autists and it slings over the shoulder muzzle down quite comfortably. the clip always dug right into my shoulder.

>>33246589
>will later be sold because I gots no monies
Dibs.

>>33246674
>and it slings over the shoulder muzzle down quite comfortably.
So stop slinging it wrong.

>>33246674

its how i like to carry it, therefore it stays.

are Milsurp shotguns very common in the USA? I'd love to own a WWII vintage one like the marines would've had in the Pacific.

>>33246742
yea thats like a minimum 13k right there for an authentic trench gun

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>>33244754
>make a trench gun

still the fag who posted his 1897 here

Did some research and found out my 1897 is a civilian takedown version, would it be at all possible to find a trenchgun barrel and magazine tube and put it on the reciever?

This is probably the closest I'll ever get to getting a trenchgun, I also have a feeling that the trenchgun barrel/magazine tube will cost more than what I paid for the shotgun

>>33246761
whelp nevermind then

>>33246761
It's really only the Winchesters that go that high, which is ironic since they made the most trench guns.

>>33246588

At first I caught unidentified stuff here and there but lately it's all "insider trading" in that I talk to people. Once the show took off the gunshow guys in state didn't react because they already knew me before... because I talked to EVERYONE all the time to find stuff.
>>33246628

The 1895 needs some love. It will get a Mark episode first.

>>33246589

After expenses I lost money on the show first year, made $5,000 personal money last year.

I am definitely a poorfag. Good thing I locked in a house, own my own car, savings etc. We'll see if I get to keep this job once the series is up. That's when I can finely liquidate down and just do rando videos.

The collection I have is from trading up over and over. I had a talent for dropping $200 on $2,000 guns and then trading etc.

I'm playing Siege right now so no time for listing.

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>>33246794
>It will get a Mark episode first.
Good, I love those.

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>>33246794
After reading this post, I'm now kind of interested in a "history of Othias's acquisitions" miniseries where you talk about whatever guns you own and how you met a guy who knows a guy, and how you started with a piece of toast that kind of looks like jesus and ended up with the second US trials .45ACP luger.

How are you able to own a house/car/savings on $5k/yr and what kind of job allows you to work so few hours, if you don't mind me asking? I kinda come from a different lifestyle so its alien and really interesting to me.

I'll have this thread open for a while if you get bored if your vidya and want to list.

Should I cave and buy an SKS. I want a semiauto milsurp that's chambered for cheap plinking ammo and I love Comblock shit

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>>33247051
I keep deferring on that. I tend to think so, but then I think I'll just buy another straight pull swiss rifle instead.

>>33247043

Umm, some highlights were a
Mk V trials for 400, sold $1500
Bought a winchester 97 for $250 at gun show, took home cleaned up, traded for 33/40, sold $800, all same day.
Jinsen assembler rifle for $150, sold like $1500 I think
G24T at pawn for 700, ditched 1200 I think

Stuff like that, then use that money to buy more known things.

I don't want to give away too much of my home life but 3 income, small house, I buy 90's cars for cheap and do the maintenance.

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>>33247051
>>33247082
SKS's are really underrated rifles, especially the well-made ones (Russian, East-German, etc).

They're still kinda cheap now for chicoms and yugos, but it wont stay that way forever. Then again, swiss rifles is the same way.

Plus, the SKS is the original fucking /k/ meme gun. Before mosinfagging, back in 07-14ish, everyone and his mother on here was buying a fucking SKS so they can go inna woods.

I dunno, tilting bolt is really cool to me, and SKS's are basically the best quality tier of Soviet weaponry, alongside prewar SVTs and Makarovs. I feel like during those eras was the only time Russia wasnt hurting for weapons or money or ça fait and so actually made them with pride instead of "EH, RIFLE IS FINE TOVARICH" tier.

Meanwhile, swiss rifles are, well, swiss.

>>33245014
It looks like its made by izhevsk judging from the placement. The stamp is really faded and could barely see the outline of half a triangle

>>33242914
I want one in the wrap and I also want to get one that's still in used WW2 battlescarred condition. Fuck.

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Should I have sex with my mosin?

>>33247374
Go to 7.62x54r.net

it'll help you figure out what it is. They have a super handy guide that lets you punch in stats to see what your rifle is

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>>33247154
Damn, thats some fancy shit. Yeah, I used to pick up a lot of unknown stuff from shows on the cheap, but the milsurp market dried up, everyone at shows is just FFLs peddling ARs nowadays. I go on gb nowadays mostly, and people know what they're getting if you do, for the most part.

I can definitely get on board the 90s cars lifestyle. I know I'm kinda prying, but whats the budget range for homes in your area? I'm in the ~750k range here, I'm on a single income, so its really different and interesting to me.

>>33247692

rofl it's the south. Like 150 - 250k
Cost of living is low

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>>33247725
Man, that wouldn't get you a 500SF apt here. Such is life.

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Every day is repost day in milsurp threads.

>look in bank account, random $500 refund from college because they overcharged something
>Been trying to convince myself I don't need anymore Milsurp
>random free $500 says otherwise

dammit why do you do this to me. There's not even anything good nearby.

>>33241879
Are you retarded?

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>>33248091
I don't think that is really free but have at it! You probably won't regret it :)