Are $500 1911's garbage?

No, just accept it for what it is and enjoy it. A plane Jane GI RIA is going to be pretty damn close to what old 1911s were back then. They make great beaters.

>>33215049
don't do it. drop at least $1500

>>33215049
I have a Springfield that cost around there. It works, it not the best 500$ gun IMO but if you're hell bent on a 1911 go for it.

>>33215049
I have a $400 Metro Arms 1911 and so far 700+ rounds through it with zero problems.

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>>33215099
I guess I'm buying a RIA with duracoat finish.

I'll get a top-of-the-line 1911 someday, but this one will be for using and abusing.

Toss a coin. If heads, the gun will run. Buy it. If tails, it never will. Come back tomorrow and ask to see a different example.

Welcome to cheap 1911s.

I have an Auto Ordnance 1911, among the cheapest. It functions ok, not perfect. Jams sometimes, but most if not all of the issues it has would be solved if it had a big, modern, relieved ejection port cut in the slide like the RIA does.

Thinking about getting an ATI 5" 1911 for my birthday. Are they any good? Hickok45 didn't seem to have any real problems with it.

>>33216006
RIA 1911s are inexpensive but perfectly functional.

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>>33216073
I'd recommend a RIA 1911 instead. Hickok reviewed it as well and seemed pretty satisfied.

>>33215049
No. Stop buying shit-ass flip 1911s and get the Auto Ordnance GI.

>Why do we keep having this conversation<

My Springfield was $500 and I've never had a problem with it, apart from the occasional jam, fixed by reracking the slide. Would I carry it for self defense? No, 95% reliability is XCOM waiting to happen. I'll stick to my CZ85 for that.

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Strongly recommend the ATI FX45. Bought this before coming back to school, wanting a gi1911. And I couldn't be more impressed.

>>33215049

I bought a $450 RIA 9mm tactical (not the stock GI set up, but beavertail, extended controls, etc) on a whim, and it has actually been a pretty great gun.

The one thing I can criticize though is the finish seems like it was scraped off when they were inserting the frontsight into the front dovetail, and mow it rusts there. I keep it oiled, and one of these days I'll just refinish the whole thing, but overall, it's been a fine pistol.

>>33216073

ATI isn't great. Anything outside of the 5" models will fuck with you.

Source: One of my buddies worked there in the repair shop. He was eligible for some cool employee discounts, and never even wanted one.

>>33216764
Oh well, I wasn't planning to get anything besides the 5" one. It's my first 1911 and I'd like to get something standard and not get anything like a commander or something atypical.

>>33215049
Really depends. I've had a lot of good experiences with sub $400 Turk guns and the Zig M1911 I bought was a fantastic deal and has never made me question it. The fit is pretty god damn good, and the finish isn't awful. That being said I also picked up a RIA 1911 in 9mm for comparison. The RIA definitely feels cheaper, somethings rough with the stock finish and it's one of the billboard variants, so fuck them for that. A buddy ordered a Turk 1911 and had a bad experience (slide was loose as hell), he sent it back and ordered another some months later and had a much better go with it. With guns like these you need to check your pistol before you leave the shop, but it would seem that the majority of the time they are a steal for the price.

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>>33215991
Just don't load a round directly into the chamber and should be fine.

I bought a RIA Citadel Tactical 1911 for $430 as my first handgun. Top loaded a .45 acp straight into the chamber during the first box of ammo, broke the extractor during my first ever range session D:

Paid a gunsmith $70 to install a Wilson combat extractor and it went back to working fine.

At least no idiot scratch on it.

>>33216746
In the mean time, take a Birchwood Casey Bluing Touch Up Pen and cover the spot up. Then you won't have to worry about it as much.

>>33215049
Save a few hundred and get a Colt Series 70.

>>33216137
>buy a worst korea 1911 instead
>fund the moonies and whatever other cult is in SK

>>33216501
Not knocking the gun, but I don't like it when foreign based companies or companies that don't even manufacture in the US put 'American' or USA in their name.
Digging the vintage look.

its got not rails, nothing to attach a flashlight or laser

not really worth it

there are better on the market

Just picked up an ATI 1911, their standard GI 5 inch barrel. Never had a 1911 before and just wanted an example of one. Thing seems really solid, I'm impressed. Let's see how it shoots. I really like it for what it is. That being said it is fucking heavy and only 8 shots. I'll take my .357 over it any day of the week. As long as it doesn't jam I'll love it though.

For a 1911 to add to the collection, very happy.

>>33217210
I agree. But a series 80 would be OK too.

Not that there is anything wrong with a less expensive 1911 that works, but looking back on the years I realize I should have just bought the Colt from the get-go instead of messing around with lesser options. All mine are Colt now and future 1911s will probably be as well.

>>33217210

You wouldnt even need a few hundred. You can get a stainless Colt 1991 for $650 online.

>>33217263
American Tactical is just the importer if I'm not mistaken.

>>33215049
It's not that they're all garbage, but more a matter of the consistency being questionable. I've bought two RIA 1911's. The first one jammed with every ammo and magazine I tried. The second one was flawless. Instead of spending $350 twice, though, I could have just gotten a Colt for $700 and had it been 100% from day one.

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>>33217543
>stainless

I thought vertical cocking serrations were rare/expensive.

>>33218611
Just passing by with a question on my mind.
What's wrong with stainless 1911's? If not for cosmetics, does stainless steel suck in guns?

>>33219628
Most people don't like the look, also hella dirty bro.

>>33219510
vertical serrations are bog standard
they were hard to get for a while since every company wanted to stand out and be different with angled serrations. if you were to buy anything thats not a base model it would have the "better" improved angled serrations on it.

>>33215049
I have a Citadel 1911. Been a great gun so far. sitting at ~1300 rounds and no issues. The last 650ish have been without a cleaning.

>>33215886
>not dropping 3k

Found the poorfag

>>33219686

a carbon steel steel gun will get just as dirty as a stainless one. Blued steel just hides it better and stainless highlights where you need to clean more. I like stainless for the fact that it basically never corrodes as long as you take mediocre care of it. Alight coating of renaissance wax and you're good for 6 months.

>>33220284
Yeah I didn't mean to imply the finish impacted cleanliness rather what it showed. Similar to high gloss for electronics

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First post best post..... can't say it any better.

>>33215049
no $500 is the average price for a milspec forged frame 1911

spending anything over $600 on a non collectible non vintage date 1911 is retarded

>>33215049
I have a high standard crusader .45 and it has been one of the best guns I ever bought. I paid abouy 500 for it.

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>>33222629
Heres a pic of my baby Daphne.

>>33216199
>95% reliability is XCOM
Fuck I hate that, really kills the game for me. Its like it says 95%. Then its really 50%.

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Don't buy cheap, I'd give both mine up for a DW Valor Blue 9mm

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>>33215049
your safe to buy cheap, just do your research.
remember with inflation 1911's only cost around 200$.

when you actually look into it, high dollar bootiqe guns or just simple high dollar guns like kimbers generally have lots of problems and have to be sent back and worked on.
>pic related
my 390$ tisas zig m1911, GI copy. hasnt malfunctioned once and is of decent quality.

at some point i will probably buy someones old colt but im more than fine with this. I actually plan on expanding to more revolvers and higher capacity now that i have this.

>>33222879

No, high dollar 1911's don't generally have lots of problems. Kimbers sucking and being overpriced doesn't equal an industry wide norm.

>>33223070
you know what? I will back off this. Ive only watched videos and videos agree with me. Im not saying ever high priced 1911 is iffy but there are a few that have problems.

from what i understand
dont
>buy a 1911 in anything other than .45 or .44 or .38
>buy a double stack 1911
>buy a 3" 1911.

Tisas vs RIA 1911?

>>33215049
I bought a RIA in .38 super for $400 last year.
It really tends to piss off the fudds at my range since it's made in the Philippines, and it's a 1911 not in .45

>>33222759
Are those handles Micarta?

>>33223224
I havent had the chance to compare but i can tell you that i would rather have a norinco than my tisas.

Norinco's are fucking nice

>>33223139
You're literally retarded and know nothing about 1911, enjoy your tisas

>>33223342
No, G10, although I'd like a set of micarta ones

>>33219628
>What's wrong with stainless 1911'
Nothing, I carry a stainless Delta Elite when I can inside pants Alien Gear and it doesn't show holster wear like "black guns" and the best thing is my finish always looks great. Yes it's flashy in low light as some say but Im rough on my shit and get tired of scratched up guns

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Got one, love mine. Puts lead down range. Mine shoots a little low, but I think it's my issue. 450 for a beater 1911 that shoots straight? I'd call that a good choice.

>>33223378
what ever you tell yourself. None of those things are killers but they are things to avoid because they often have issues.

I wanted a quality 1911 for a long time nothing crazy expensive just a nice new Colt but im not willing to drop $1,000. My friend ended up buying a cheap 1911 in 9mm for $350 on sale. I thought it would be a giant piece of shit and expected to laugh at it's quality but it was actually pretty good. On it's first outing he put a few hundred rounds though it and never had a problem. Even my Gen 3 Glock 17 had a FTE on break in so i was surprised by this budget 1911.

I would say do it OP just get something cheap they are good enough to have fun with.

>>33224148

>nice new Colt but im not willing to drop $1,000

You can get a Colt for anywhere between $650-$950 depending on what model you want. Colt isnt as pricey as people like to lead on. I just bought a brand new 6920 online 2 weeks ago for $695 out the door. Only $50 more than my bare bones PSA build costed me.

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Nope.

>>33215049
I've had literally 0 problems with my $300 used RIA.

>>33223224
Personally I would go Tisas. RIA has some rough finish and you can still find the Tisas cheaper.

>>33223139
You are just spouting off nonsense. 9mm 1911's are some of the most fun and easy to shoot guns

kinda want a Hi Power my dudes

is the Mk iii worth the extra money compared to the Mk ii?

>>33215049
RIA M1911s are pretty decent.

But you will find a certain divide between brands.

Brands like Wilson combat, spergfield, colt and Sig, while the guns they make are fantastic, require so much custom fitting it's disgusting.

They keep running the tolerances tighter and tighter and tighter yet that it causes so many issues with the platform itself, causing undue stress within the gun, which already has issues with idiots getting hatching on the front of their slide, or with springs that last 2 to 4k rounds.

On the other hand, you'll find brands like RIA which funny enough, run as close as you can to the original design specs where things are loose enough that you'll run into fewer issues.

TLDR go high end if you want a guchi 1911. Stay to the 500 mark if you want a work horse.

>>33227633

You are so full of shit.

>>33217139
>Top loaded a .45 acp straight into the chamber
why would you do that in the first place?

>>33215049
Do it. Just be aware that for that price, quality control is farmed out to the customer. You may have to do some minor work or even send it in for warranty to get it running, but any 1911 can be made 1911% reliable by anyone with a little patience and understanding of the platform.

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>>33227633
What the fuck are you talking about?

OP, don't believe a word of this retards BS, I doubt he's even seen a real 1911.

>>33217169

Good idea. I think I have one somewhere in the junk drawer.

>>33225216

Why don't you just buy a frame and build a second gun at this point?

>>33216137
I owned one, and sold it to a friend. He experiences malfunctions constantly. I read about it, and it seems they are finicky bitches. If yours works, count your blessings.

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Should I buy a a Jericho 941 or a RIA 1911?

>>33228029
8rnds instead of 7?

I had the weirdest experience with a Springfield GI Model 1911. I used to work in a gun store and we sold a brand new Springfield to a customer.

A few days later, same customer came back, saying he went to shoot the gun, worked fine, and he went home to disassemble and clean his 1911. He then couldn't put it back together.

So we took a look at it, thinking that the customer simply made an error during assembly. But no, the slide literally do not fit into the frame.

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>>33229241
If you want a Jericho, I personally find the new rail on the modern versions look like ass, but strangely enough look better on the tristar clones, they are also cheaper and lighter (they make use of a lighter metal frame, though you can get a polymer Jericho if you're a tard). So that being said a 1911 and Jericho are two very different guns, what do you want out of your gun?

>>33229389
I wouldn't be uncertain about getting a Jericho if I could find a railess one.

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>>33229428
How much you looking to spend, I might have something you like

Anyone have any expericences with Girsan Yavuz manufactured handguns. My restricted license should be showing up anytime now. They seem like a sturdy cheaper gun, all steel parts unlike the norico plastic. $550 at the gun shop in my city

>>33228037
>any 1911 can be made 1911% reliable by anyone with a little patience and understanding of the platform.
this. made mine from a bare frame. there were a few issues but filing and massaging got it running and more fiddling got it running with out chewing its brass. Biggest issue wasn't the parts or fitment. It was trying to research an issue. Most comments i read asking about small issues were replied by "should of bought [brand here]" or "1911s are not ar15s". 1911 knowledge forums are full of "bought, not built" owners that take it to a gun smith for cleaning. They frown upon anyone trying to learn and make themselves out to look like all knowing wizards of the Order of Moses.

I had to read up on how the 1911 works, compare it to what mine was doing, and get the little pieces rubbing together like jmb intended.

>>33229500
Girsan is a Turk manufacturer, they should be fine quality, they specialize mostly in 92fs clones though.

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>>33229498
500-600 bucks? I'm a poorfag college student that just wants to be a space cowboy.

>>33229521
MMMmmmm you want a frame safety or a Spike correct model, also where you located

>>33229543
I'd prefer a Spike-correct model but it's not a big deal. I live near Pittsburgh PA.

>>33229564
Post a burner, might have some tips or a gun for you to buy.

>>33229579
[email protected]

>>33223942
What do you mean "it shoots a little slow?"

>>33229289
So chamber a round, remove the magazine, and top it off.

>>33229241
My inner weeb says get the Jericho if you can find it around the same price point.

>>33229593
Sent you an email.

>>33229503
sounds a lot like the 'custom' Harley community

>>33229564
If you want max space cowboy, you need a kbi import 941r with the slide safety. That said, 941r's aren't that common in 9mm and kbi imports are even rarer and more expensive.
If you're not autistic enough to care about the import marks, then you can stumble upon the occasional magnum research or mach1 import.
New models work just fine and most people tend to prefer frame mounted safeties, if you're looking more for comfort than authenticity

>>33229602
He said it shoots low, not slow.

>>33229602
learn to read
low means point of aim does not meet point of impact

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>>33229629
Not that guy, but how does top loading fuck up the extractor?

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>>33217235
Fuck those fags for destroying all those M1s.

Fucking starcunts.

>>33229850
Extractors in pistols are generally designed with the practice in mind, it's essentially equivalent to misusing a tool, might work, but you aren't gonna make it last forever. Best practice for +1 is mag with one round chamber, then full mag.

>>33229850
when loaded from a mag the rim starts under the extractor and is pushed up. when loaded from the top the extractor has to snap over the rim before the rim is in the right place. it was not designed to do this. its like hammering nails with the handle of a hammer instead of the head.

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I know that AO had QC issues a while back, but how are they now? I live in Commiefornia and would really like a GI Style 1911 and don't have a lot of choices. This AO 1911 looks like it's the closest to the GI issued ones. Don't really want a RIA. Can anyone recommend me one?

>>33227633
>>idiots getting hatching on the front of the slide

what the fuck does this mean? Google gives me nothing.

>>33223139
As someone who has actually handled and shot, and personally watched others handle and shoot all manner of 1911s, I can say this.

Do;
>buy in any caliber
>buy double stack
>buy 3in
But you better be spending at least $1,200 from either a semi-custom performance line of a major manufacturer or a custom shop with a good reputation. In addition, the break-in period is NOT a meme and is NOT optional. Follow those two and you can get whatever fucking crazy gun you want.
t. 4,500 rounds through multiple 9mm 1911s in IDPA while watching others do the same and observing what to do and what not to do when buying one

Also anybody who says Kimber is good is full of shit and you should discount anything else they say too.

>>33229865
>>33229923
Thanks for the info y'all. Wasn't something I did, I usually just one magged it. Good info for letting other know too.

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This should be called 1911 general.

>>33221928

>Black Talon master race

My nigga.

>>33229984
forwards serrations probably

>>33230241
>Black Talon

Was there anything actually special about those? Isn't it just another objectively obsolete bullet tech like Silvertip or Hydrashok?

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>>33215049
Personally would recommend the Norinco "MODEL OF THE 1911A1."

>>33230548
Thoughts, guys? Either this or RIA.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/626912932

>>33215049
people forget 550 dollar usa made kahr/auto ordnance 1911a1s exist in original ww2 finish options brand new. nah better go buy some filipino or ching chong thing used.

>>33229953
the youtube vids i've watched have all said the quality is much better than they used to be.

>>33230732
Norinco. Not even a question.

>you need to spend $2000 on a weapon or else it will jam!!!
spot the pogues /k/

1911s were used for 70+ years because of their reliability

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>>33229984
think they mean the frame rubbing against the slide

>>33230732
Find one local at a show or on local classified. The Norinco 1911 is a tank but isn't without faults. The sweatshop gunsmiths have been known to not fit the barrel properly. Look up "1911 barrel peening," if you find one with this issue talk down the seller on the price, buy a cheap Colt barrel. Problem resolved.

>>33215049
I bought a Cimmaron m1911A1 High Polish blue, and it's fucking flawless, I paid 550 for it. everything about it really is great, except it picks up fingerprints really easily but what do you expect from mirror finish blueing

>>33230775
Don't give money to moonies.

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Ok, this is for all the beans

RIA, Norinco, or Auto Ordinance?

>>33231032
get the auto ordnance. it's a 1911 for christ sake it should be american.

>>33230896
Yeah and then all the tooling got worn out and they were never made that way again. If you want a some bone stock no improvement in a hundred years seven shot poorfag fuddyfive blaster, go ahead. You'll be able to count the malfunctions per thousand rounds on one hand given you only ever use roundnose ball.

But it won't ever not be poorfag trash. Might as well buy a WASR while you're there.

>>33231039
>Kahr
>American

>>33231013

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>>33231056

>>33231193
Nice argument. Potmetal beaters can never be more than just that, and anything that isn't a 5" .45 will be completely unreliable in that range. This is common knowledge.

>>33231032
Norinco.

>>33215049
Buy a Metro Arms, anon. They're nice guns for the money, better than RIAs. I have an American Classic II and it's sick. Nice trigger, no rattle,very accurate, nice bluing, polished feed ramp, Novak style sights. Has been very reliable so far.

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>>33231243

>>33231272
Enjoy your NV-rank gun, plinkster.

>>33225172

Where'd you get the 6920?

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>>33215049
> buying a 1911 NOT made in the U.S.A.

>>33217543
Those aren't series 70 you inbred

>>33231463
I don't even live in Nevada

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>>33231725
Relax, I'm getting an AO.

>>33215049
I have an Auto Ordinance 1911. Finish isn't great and it's not a nail driver by any means, but it goes bang every time you pull the trigger and it's just fun to shoot. If you're looking for a match grade pistol than buy a Les Baer, Kimber, Dan Wesson, etc, but if you want something to take out in the woods and have fun with than a $500 1911 fits the bill perfectly.

>>33232302
what year did you buy it?

>>33217139
Why would you pay to replace the extractor?

>>33232555
extractors on 1911s typically need tuning.
not the best thing to do yourself if you have no experience and want a reliable pistol.
1911s aren't glocks. you can't always just drop parts in and have it work 100%

>>33215049
RIA's are utter shit, pay the extra 100 dollars and get a springer. Those are as close as we're getting to a spec 1911A1

Whatever shit 1911 you get replace everything with Wilson combat.

Start with the mags on day one and as stuff breaks/wears just keep replacing.

>>33233782
>Sauce

I bought a surplus 1911 from S. America and put Wilson everything in it. Now it's like a Swiss watch.

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Literally, if you are not a 1911 guy but enjoy 1911s, then get a RIA or something. Don't expect a $500 to be like a kimber or ed brown or something like that. Pic related. im more of a milsurp / ar guy, but i still enjoy the 1911 once and while, so the RIA serves its purpose well.

>>33234355
Is it accurate?

>>33234402
to be completely honest, i've never tested for accuarcy. At my local outdoor range we only get 15 yard targets, but it stll puts a hand size group, not sure if that helps answer your question though. im not big in pistol shooting so its accuary doesnt bother me, but hey if it means anything, it runs all steel case and brass case ammo that ive fed it

I've seen it a couple times in this thread, why by the fuck do people keep lumping Kimber in with high end makes like WC, Ed Brown, etc?

>>33215049
I bought one for $350 about 5 years ago. It works great. I wouldn't carry it because the old GI sights suck but it's a great gun to shoot.

>>33234494
Because Kimber is overpriced and people just assume they are worth that price.

>>33234402
If your concerned with accuracy on a budget pistol I feel bad for you son...
Replace sights, bushing, trigger, and use match ammo. Have fun.

>>33234402
People tend to tinker with 1911's. If your ok with dumping performance parts into a Kia thats great, but dont expect a return on investment. Bone stock the pistol SHOULD work with good ammo and assembly (might take a trip to the gunsmith to get there). It's more a budget question that gradually increases per manufacture: Tisas/ATI, Rock Island/Metro Arms, Springfield, Colt/Kimber, above this you get into semi-custom & straight custom 1911's. World is your oyster long as you have money to spend. HOWEVER might be surprised what type of deals you can find on used 1911's if willing to be patient.

>>33215049
save up another hundred and buy a Beretta 92fs

>>33225216
fwiw I liked my PT1911 quite a bit.

>>33230325
predecessor to the ranger-t, the work-hardened copper "talons" kept the petals from folding back. Media and """experts""" claimed the talons were designed to cause more damage, instead of careless people hooking sharp metal bits in flesh when removing them. Also the black polymer coating was magically "armor piercing teflon". So they were rebranded to SXT, and the polymer was made clear. Then Ranger-T improved on alloy and geometry.

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>>33215049
I just scored a "used" Rock Island Armory full size GI for $430. If the previous owner shot it, it wasnt very much. It's nice and tight, no slop between the slide and the frame. I'm taking it to the range here in a couple of days.

>>33215049
Had mine for about six years now. ~3000 rounds through it and it's been great. Spend the extra 50-75 bucks and get the one with the extended beavetail, nicer sights, and other crap.

>>33219973

>Not dropping 5k

Found the poorfag who thinks he's not a poorfag

>>33231032
Rock Island

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Interested in the AO 1911a1 but heard the trigger pull is kinda heavy. Is there a way to lighten the trigger pull?

>>33231068
Still made in America

>>33231032
norinco if you can find one, ria if you cant and settle, ao out of some stupid idea of patriotism

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>>33216477
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>>33237230
hey look it's the faggot that bought one a few weeks ago and can't stop posting the same picture under the same filename

>>33217550
^

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>>33237151
>what is a trigger job?

>>33236912
>"used" Rock Island Armory full size GI for $430
you got raped.

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/armscor-rock-island-armory.html

>>33229953
Don't give your money to the moonies.

>>33236939
You graduate yet, Todd?

>>33237652
I've only posted it about 3 times your autistic sperg

>>33238690
When are you going to start swapping shit out?

>>33218611
Enjoy your rust from not removing every fingerprint with an oil cloth.