Was anything he said credible?

>>33210738
20-30% of his stories were probably real, the rest was propaganda.

I believe he punched that Ventura Cuck out cold though.

>>33210738

Im pretty sure his bitch scream when he died was credible.

>>33210760
>Cuck

Wasn't he an original frogman? Also didn't he win the defamation lawsuit

>>33210738
>fought Ventura
no

>shot unarmed US citizens from the top of the Super Dome during Katrina
no

>Was a badass
no, otherwise he wouldn't have died at the hands of some POG like a pussy

>>33210760
>believes in the one thing that was proven to be false in court

kek

>>33210784
He claimed to be a badass? He said he wasn't shit compared to Carlos Hathcock because his gun was computerized and said he was basically a 'monkey on a gun'. I don't understand the hate for this guy. He always seemed modest despite having the highest kill count in US history, and did plenty of work for veterans after his service ended. Seems like you guys are all jealous and bitter faggots desu

>>33210782
>suing a dead man because he hurt your feelings in a book mentioning it again after getting famous

>>33210804
>seems modest
>exaggerated his medal count
>lied about killing dudes trying to mug him
>wanted his nickname to be "The Legend"

>>33210818
>lawsuit filed before he was pwned by a pog
>Kyle's literary agent confirmed the lie had a significant effect on book sales
>the lawsuit had nothing to with the book itself, but on a lie Kyle made in a foxnews interview (which he then repeated to other journalists)

get your facts right, you stupid nigger

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>>33210818
He won the case by proving Kyle lied about the encounter in his book gayboi

>>33210861

>Ventura defense force

Go jerk off to his old wrestling tapes.

>>33210891
That's not an argument

>>33210891

i am truly sorry that court-proven facts are triggering you

>>33210738

>enlisted men

>>33210784
He also claimed to have killed two attempted car jackers at some rural gas station in TX. When the police showed up he allegedly handed them the phone with some Navy big shot telling them to leave him alone or some other nonsense. Chris Kyle was a pathological liar.

>>33211004
Do you blame him though? He probably saw some fucked shit while he was out and about

>>33211024
A lot of soldiers do. So what?

>>33211024
>kyle dindu nuffin

yes i blame him

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>>33211024
Then why not write about that instead of making shit up? Guy was a shitbird

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>>33210891

>yfw the facts contradict Kyle's narrative

>>33211004
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/

Here's the story on that one

>>33210804
>because his gun was computerized
No, it wasn't. Did he really say that? Verbatim? What a fucking moron.

>>33210760

>I believe he punched that Ventura Cuck out cold though.

Then you're as dumb as those rocks you bite, little billy.

>>33210891

You've been utterly devaststed. You are so buttannihilated you could drive a T-14 through the gape. How does it feel knowing you are now and forever blasted and can never recover?

>He thought taking a mentally ill man with PTSD to the shooting range was a good idea

What a goof!

>>33211655
ok.

>claimed 5.56 NATO was "largely ineffective" in one story
>calls 77 grain 5.56 NATO "the most efficient cartridge" in another
>claimed .300 winmeme could penetrate an engine block as well as .50 BMG
>became a shill for whoever would give him free shit as soon as he got into the public eye
>chronic attention whoring with tall tales that make Russian campfire stories seem legit
Yeah, nah.

navy seal. . . . OK you're a bad ass, now what? Nobody wants you contracting with them because you won't shut up and your abrasive. . . . Guess I'll try writing a book and cashing in on the tacticool patriotism boner everyone has right now.

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>>33210760
>punched that Ventura Cuck out cold though.

>>33210738
no, nor his book and the movie

>2012- 13
>shemaghs
>hipster beards
>operator beards
>tacticool hipster beards
>tacticool EAS'd POGS
>patches
>Dan Bilzerian
>ongoing chains of Tier 1 opr8r movies hitting the box office
>another ""operator""" says some bullshit from doing a thing on the press AP/CNN/FN/CNBC

this is what i rememer

SHEEPDAWG

>>33212153
The difference between oper8rs turned authors like Chris Kyle and Marcus Luttrell is that Luttrell's experience was incredibly traumatic, even more so than the average SEAL's. His entire team was wiped out and he spent a little over a week being taken care of by local Pashtuns until he was rescued. All of the heroics that he describes in his book are those of his fallen comrades. He wrote his book to provide himself with closure and tell the world of SEAL team 10's sacrifice. Chris Kyle wrote his book to push this "Legend" narrative about himself

>>33210804

>I'm not a badass
>(proceeds to embellish his experiences and tell straight up lies to portray himself as a badass)

>>33210804
Pretty much this, small people feel better about themselves when they dink on their superiors.

>>33210738
I'm pretty sure he was in the navy. after that, I've got no guarantees.

>>33212588
>point out the man is a proven liar and fraudster, as demonstrated by his own deposition
>you are just jealous

dat projection tho

>>33212588
Have you ever heard of hero worship?

>>33210738
>Chris Kyle here dweeb to set the record straight on the things Chris Kyle said. When Chris Kyle said Chris Kyle was dropped on the roof of the Superbowl to shoot Katraina, Chris Kyle did that. When Chris Kyle killed all those people who walked near that rock he hid copper wire under because anybody getting near that copper wire under that rock was a terrorist and totally free to get shot, Chris Kyle did that.

>>33212736
Was that copper wire story ever confirmed? I've heard it before but have never seen a source

>>33212800

No that particular one is inferred. The Pentagon admitted in 2007 that baiting was an approved tactic. Other SEAL's have admitted to using it.

Also Kyle flatly stated that he shot any adult male he saw, armed or otherwise.

>>33210760
>believing the one thing proven false in a court of law

wew lad

>>33210818
>suing a dead man

He was alive at the time, dumbass

>>33210804
>did plenty of work for veterans

No he didn't. He donated a miniscule fraction of what he stated he would from book profits. And taking a few vets out shooting doesn't exactly qualify as "plenty" in my book

>>33212930
>Also Kyle flatly stated that he shot any adult male he saw, armed or otherwise.

>Chris Kyle made sure with the most extreme due diligence that everybody Chris Kyle shot was a terrorist. From the two car jackers to the smaller fun sized Terrorist the Terrorists in the middle east carried around in their arms.

>>33212930
>Kyle flatly stated that he shot any adult male he saw, armed or otherwise.

This actually sounds probable

>>33212959
Have you ever heard of a pronoun dude

>>33212972

It is in his book, page 79.

>Our ROEs when the war kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they’re male, shoot ‘em. Kill every male you see.

>>33211004
where has he claimed this?

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>>33210804
>seemed modest

>>33210738
Muslims are in fact evil savages. He was right on that count.

He was a liar, an attention seeker, and a shitty person.

I don't like him but I wish he hadn't died. The movie was also pure propaganda bullshit

>IM JUST AN APPLE PIE BLOODED ANERICAN
>"ITS THE LEGEND"
>"YOU SAVED MY LIFE"

Pissed me off that they made him look like fucking superman. At least the guy that wrote No Easy Day had the decency to not use his real name and donate the money from the book.

>>33212983
>Have you ever heard about taking that dick out your mouth when you address Chris Kyle. as a former Chris Kyle, Chris Kyle can assure you Chris Kyle doesn't not condone your faggotry.

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>>33213073

>>33210738
No, stop making this thread.

>>33213162
This is the first time I've ever seen this thread in my three years of lurking this board

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>>33212981
Fixed it.

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He was a degenerate piece of shit. Imagine if your WW2 veteran grandpa started selling clothes with pictures of skulls and bragging about the kids he killed. Your grandpa would never do that. Chris Kyle was a disgusting human being.

>>33210818
It was the publisher who would have to pay out anyway, retard.

>>33210782
No Richard Marcinko was. Jesse Ventura is a retarded lolbertarian that spends his last days of senality in mexico on his ranch banging tranny prostitutes. He needs to fucking die.

>>33213774

At least he is still alive

>>33212736
>>33212800
what are bait programs

>>33213774
Ventura served his country honorably. Chris Kyle murdered women and children for globalism. And he was stupid enough to brag about it.

>>33213802
Right.

>>33213813
>That's like your opinion man.jpg

Jesse Venture wanted "Aleppo-man" for president who's VP pick is super anti-gun. Jesse Venture is a fucking idiot who needs to go live in his fucking mexican ranch and retire quietly.

>>33213813

pretty much this

according to his own book he is either a war criminal or a liar, i like those choices.

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>>33213842
JESSE VENTURA WAS UDT YOU FUCKBRAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeO1DUtnKsE

>>33212360
A large part of Luttrell's account of Red Wings has been questioned too.

>>33213943
Hey fuckwad I never said he was a seal I said he was a piece of shit.

>>33212991
This is a decent rundown of a lot of Kyle's bullshit:
http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle

>>33211004
Don't forget also claiming he was (very illegally) deployed to the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina to shoot looters.

>>33211675
And talking shit about him the entire ride out with the other guy that was shot.

>>33212983
>>33213141
>Doesn't get the sarcastic third person

>>33214006
Nobody is disputing that, he was still in the right on the lawsuit, though.

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>>33210738
>Be in military
>get honorable discharge
>ohshitgotptsd.jpg
>decide to relax with a nice trip at the range
>guy offers to take me with his friend
>we have a great time shooting
>feel hand on butt
>look at him and his friend
>dicks out
>eyes staring at my anus

What do, /k/?

Pic related.

>>33214199
True, I don't have to like his political views because he won a lawsuit though.

>>33213054
>Pissed me off that they made him look like fucking superman.

Did we watch the same movie?

Because movie Chris Kyle goes from egotistical asshole to egotistical asshole with intense paranoia who constantly lies to others and himself because he can't stand to face his own weakness.

You're supposed to sympathize with him because of his emotional damage, not because he's a good person. Because he isn't.

Carlos Hatchok is the real deal

>>33214850
There are plenty of veterans who go through emotional damage and aren't narcissistic compulsive liars

>Work at restaurant next to movie theater when this movie came out
>Three weekends in a row of gung-ho white trash wearing camo jackets and fake military baseball caps talking about "muh real american hero"

Should have gassed all the showings. Would have done the country some good.

>>33212995

These Chris Kyle fan boys really like to hammer this humble meme

http://spider-manfan.tumblr.com/post/108684644368/american-sniper-review

>>33212153
>being this hung up on facial hair

can't grow one can you?

>>33216524
Not him but it looks trashy and unprofessional.

Feel kinda sorry, at one point he seemed like a genuine guy who kinda got tragged into telling tales. On another hand he more or less knew what he was doing, and built a company around it, trying to cash in on lies.

I don't mind the movie tho, its not a documentary so obviously I dont take it seriously, basically a Hollywood flick. But most Military stories tend to be overhyped by making them into Hollywood blockbusters, e.g. Lone Survivor, where most people would appreciate the real story and pace, Hollywood opt for action and explosions.

>>33216524
Not that Anon either, but I can't and I usually hide it behind the fact that it will make gas masks less effective, and you also have to loosen your helmet as it grows.

>>33212930
>Hearts
>and
>minds.

>>33212983
>Chris Kyle supporter education

>>33215876
Okay.

>>33210738
He was vehemntly anti-gun. So fuck him.

>>33213213
Post needs to be edited to include...
Simo Häyhä
>Has Sabaton song
Chris Kyle
>Does not have Sabaton song

>>33214427
The problem with that is Eddie Routh never saw any combat and was never once diagnosed with PTSD. He was just a psychopath.

Kind of like Chris Kyle.

I don't know whether God exists, or how vengeful he is, but this is some stright-up Old Testament poetry, and the kind of stuff that gets me thinking about going to church again.

Honestly, look at it: fucking scumbag who goes around murdering people for no reason other than to lie about it and become a rich celebrity gets offed by some other garbage human scumbag who probably did it for no other reason than the cred. That shit is legit biblical.

>>33217291
Karma's a bitch

>>33217291
His fucking Wiki page is straight bullshit, too. The "sources" for the claim about the bounty on his head are two articles about the book... whose sources for the claim are the book itself. In both articles, they also reprint the claim that he was shot twice and blown up six times, yet he has not a single Purple Heart.

He also evidently claimed to have two Silver Stars (only one, actually) and five Bronze Stars for valor, but has only four, and just one of those was a valor decoration.

All this dude did was fucking shoot civilians, then lie about it.

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>>33212984

Is this true? Why would they do that though?

Wouldn't they be trying to eliminate the taliban, not fucking inspiring people to join them?

>>33210804
Get outta here chris kyles ghost.

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>>33210738
No, and fuck his shit ass movie.
>captcha: Unit 1775

>>33210738
>Was anything he said credible?
Only the part about French WMD's

>>33217353
In one interview I saw, I think with Conan, he said that all snipers had bounties. So if that was the case he was misunderstood or distorted that fact to make it seem like he specifically had a bounty on his head.

>>33217495
because most infantry and even special warfare dudes are redneck pieces of trash who deserve hanging, and yet we hand them guns and tell them to go have fun

shocking

>>33214427
>>33210738
guy seemed like a real fucked up individual
i hear he beat up a bull so badly he fucked up his own hand

>>33219089

topkek, this alone proves Chris Kyle is a serial fantasist

>David Kay's entire ISG cannot find WMD's but Chris Kyle found a trove of them just like that

>>33210738
"Here they come".

>>33212981
It's almost like one of them was in a more target rich enviornment than the other.

>>33219119
I've noticed an increasing number of CTR on /k/ recently. I don't get it, do you guys have a pension program or something?

>>33222575
>CTR
Was never a thing on /k/, just a way for you to dismiss any debate you didn't like.

>>33217253

case closed.

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>>33222575
Yeah. Its because they know all /pol/acks and people on 4chan have other hobbies, so they try to contaminate the boards that they think pol/ types frequent most. Haven't you seen threads even here asking people what other boards they visit? or those political spectrum tests with the four color grid? Its all information gathering. If you don't believe me, go to /an/. No CTR shills in the tropical fish threads.

>>33210760
Yes, in a recent interview I heard on Sofrep, basically there were multiple witnesses to the fight with Kyle. However, most of the SEALs there were active duty and not keen to get involved with a civil lawsuit, as it would probably violate their security clearances and so forth.

That fight actually happened.

>>33222575
4chan is in the news again because the alt-right meme and the left trying to control dissenting voices. It's hard to do on 4chan unless you pay people to repeat the same lie or half-truth over and over. Reddit and tumblr are easy to control because of names and a voting system. Reddit's CEO would hide comments of people who posted in the Trump section or some shit and manipulate votes on his posts in order to be seen as right.

>>33210738

A CHIEF IS NEVER WRONG, SHIPMATE!

>>33222807
>citing sofrep, ever

Kyle could have easily called on them to testify on his behalf and none did.

>>33210738
probably "huh, you better point that away, man, you might hurt someon..."

>>33222807
>probably violate their security clearances

topkek

Apparently their names and and sworn presence in a bar is now classified information.

As usual, lying shitbags SEAL's lie to protect another lying shitbag SEAL.

>>33213372
>Your grandpa would never do that. Chris Kyle was a disgusting human being.

Wigga please! WWII G.I.s would steal from supply convoys headed to the front in Italy and France then sell shit on the black market, and there many deserters (from all the Allied forces) involved. Deserters even formed criminal gangs some of which lasted longer than the war. The US only executed one deserter, but charged about 38,000 and there were many who didn't get charged if they returned to the fight. Some returned to the fight from jail by taking amnesty.

https://www.amazon.com/Deserters-Hidden-History-World-War/dp/0143125486

Pacific G.I.s sent home Jap skulls in WWII so often it made the news. My old car restoration mentor was a Korean war vet and mentioned he souvenired skulls while TDY at Okinawa. Of course the battle was long over but apparently there were plenty to choose from. The "greatest generation" were people like anyone else, and back then people were a lot tougher and crustier than they are now.

>>33222889
fuck Chief

>>33217291
you don't need to go to church to prove your devotion if you do think about Christianity. just put in time to help your community and don't donate to big corporations

>>33217204
proof

>>33213976
I lost the link and don't remember the details but this is 4chan so who cares.

Basically he did lie, or at least omitted details. Sure they all died, and there was the fall down the mountain but basically them getting fucked was their own fault. They packed radios with too short of a range to save weight, moved the insertion point too close because they didn't want to hike in, and then their fall back was their original insertion that the locals already knew about which is why they shot them down with an RPG.

>>33211024

There's a difference between making up shit in conversation, and making up shit, writing it down, and claiming your memoirs are completely true.

>>33223772
>their fall back was their original insertion

literally why though

>>33222495

Yeah, I would guess the guy in an urban setting who shot kids had more targets

>>33211024
>Do you blame him though?
Yes. Unless mentally incompetent he is responsible for his actions.

>>33223772

The most egregious lie is when Luttrell said they were attacked by 200+ Taliban when it was actually a dozen at most. When the villager who saved his life called him out on this, Luttrell had his lawyer call the man a liar.

>>33222807
>it would probably violate their security clearances and so forth.

Bullshit

>>33214138
I've heard this shit talking thing a few times but I've not seen an article or whatever verifying it
got a source? I'm curious

>>33217495
>not fucking inspiring people to join them

You are giving far too much credit to Kyle, or the US military.

Multiple books have described how the US military senior brass either forgot or deliberately ignored the hard COIN lessons learned in Vietnam at the outset of the Iraq invasion.

Do you expect enlisted dumbfucks to know better than the generals?

>>33224721

So what was their goal, then?

Did they expect all those little Mohommads to gratefully welcome the sham of a government we set up when their dads were all gunned down by US troops on the way back home from the grocery store?

What was the mentality behind ROE like that?

>>33225445
>So what was their goal, then?

Who knows? Even the Pentagon had no coherent strategy in Iraq six months after the initial invasion was finished, never mind when it kicked off.

>What was the mentality behind ROE like that?

Psychopathy or idiocy. In Kyle's case, both.

>>33224037
>>33223772
>>33213976
>>33212360

Marcus Luttrell made up most of what happend during Red Wings. There were never any goat herders who literally stumbled onto them, and obviously the "debate" never took place as there were no herders since the team was spotted from a distance and was engaged right away after that. If he wanted closure, why did he make the other three guys look like pyscho assholes who were considering killing the kids and old guy, yet he was the only one opposed to this the entire time? The public doesn't know what Axelson was actually like, but in the movie he's depicted as this bloodthirsty potential war criminal.

Then of course there's the fact that there were fighting something like 10-15 Taliban, but in the movie they literally state there are 200 fighters and kill 30+ during the battle. The near-execution by the Taliban and the final battle in the village never happened either.

Why make up an entire narrative for dramatic purposes and attention when the actual story is already incredibly interesting? I don't think anyone questions the intensity of the firefight as it actually happened, but the sheer amount of bullshit in the film was obscene.
>but it's just a mov-
Yeah and since people don't bother looking into the actual events, the movie is for all intents and purposes the real account, facts be damned.

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>>33217868

>>33210798
>proven to be false in court
That's not how courts work. At all. They work the opposite way, actually.

>>33226641
This guy's right, just the other week they proved I murdered someone and then let me go

>>33225445
Kill anyone that could possibly fight back whatsoever.

Full spectrum dominance

>>33227034

>Full spectrum dominance

Might work if you were aiming for full-on occupation for as long as the forseeable future.

Won't work so well when you're attempting to set up a democratic government of your own design a few years down the road.

>Chris 'kike' Kyle
Fuck that guy I wish he was dead.

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>take mentally unstable and/or ptsd ridden veterans they just met to go shooting
>at a private range in the middle of fucking nowhere
>with nobody else around for miles

What did they expect?

>>33226641
>That's not how courts work

Defamation is legally impossible if the claim is factually true.

So yeah, that is how courts work.

>>33228017
Then I have some good news for you.

>>33228056
The burden of proof belongs to the one who initially made the claim. Show me one once of evidence that ANYTHING Chris Kyle said was true

>>33227034
>kill everyone that might be able to fight back

Are you actually retarded? Total war doesn't even work this way, note how Sherman didn't kill every civilian male he encountered on his march to the sea. "Full spectrum dominance" is a fancy way to say genocide.

>>33227917
You realize the US made a point of trying to minimize civilian casualties right?

>>33228891
Meant for >>33227034

>>33210738
No.


That's why he lost his libel lawsuit after he ded.

>>33228056
we get it you jerk off to pics of Chris Kyle

>>33228891
You realize there were over 500,000 civilians killed in Iraq right?

Moron.

>>33228952
yeah, the US did a godawful shit job of it
but an ideal invasion would have involved 0 civilian deaths

Moron.

>>33212981
Simo could shoot anyone coming from a general "that way" direction to the East though.

>Hey Simo
>Yeah?
>See all those dudes that sound like they are talking backwards in their sleep?
>Yes.
>Shoot them and anyone that looks/sounds like them.
>K.

>>33228960

Accidentally bombing a hospital every few weeks and killing a couple dozen civilians each time is one thing

But how the fuck do you "accidentally" kill over half a fucking million civilians? I don't think you realize how many people that really is

>>33229016

Isn't that basically what chris kyle said he did in his book though

>>33229018
in fairness that is 500,000 civilians in total.

Not 500,000 civilians killed purely by Americans.

>>33229018
500k civilians killed, but how many by US forces?
how many by the Iraqi gov't and insurgents?

>>33210738

Chris Kyle was a sociopath long before he entered the service. This is what made him such an effective sniper. He really had no qualms about shooting people, or lying. His moods, abuse nature towards friends/family, his constant stream of lies, etc. etc. all point to the classic signs of a sociopath. If he never joined the military, he would have instead spent his life destroying those around him (socially and personally) through manipulation, social experimentation, and isolation. Most sociopaths never cross the line into murder or rape, simply because they don't want to risk a prison sentence, but they're usually VERY good at charming/seducing your wives, girlfriends, sisters, etc. and systematically destroying your personal life.

I have no doubt that if he had continued to live, he would have eventually gotten bored with cheating/seducing/manipulating and started raping/murdering.

I'm glad he's fucking dead. Sociopaths are not people that can be "fixed". The only "good" ones are either dead, or in prison.

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>>33228891

might as well replace iraq service ribbons with pic

>>33229100
I think you're confusing sociopathy and psychopathy

>>33229098

The US government was the aggressor. Responsibility for casualties caused by resistance against that aggression and and factional infighting caused by incompetence of the American occupation lies with the aggressor.

>>33229029
I don't know. Why would I read his book. I'm just saying. Kyle had a few thousand kebab to shoot, most of which were hidden at all times and if he ever shot anyone there was an air of "No court marshal pls" because he killed "too many people".


Simo popped shots off all day and gave zero fucks. He also had you know...hundreds of thousands of CYKA BLYAT to kill. Not just a few hiding in towns and stuff.

>>33229098
>how many by the Iraqi gov't and insurgents?

Probably not many. People tend to be more careful when it comes to the lives of their own countryfolk. If russia suddenly decided to invade the US do you think most civilian casualties would be caused by US forces?

>>33229116

sociopath/psychopath are both used to describe those with antisocial personality disorder. Neither are really "official" terms and there is no "official" consensus of the difference between the two, just a bunch of pop-psychology bullshit.

people with ASPD are however, most commonly refereed to as sociopaths, because it's easier to say/type than antisocial personality disorder.

Ted Bundy is a perfect example of the a sociopath.

>>33229226
huh, I looked it up before you replied
and sure enough

I was previously under the belie that there was a bona fide distinction

>>33229248

no big m8, it's a pretty common misconception carried on by movies and such. the only reason I knew was because I was required to take psych as part of my paramedic degree.

>>33229185
different situation. Iraq was and still is in civil war mode.

>>33213372
Fuck your grandpa.

>>33228952
are you saying the US killed half a million people in Iraq. because you are wrong. While it is true that that cilivans were killed by the US the total number of casualities isn't anywhere near that number. If you are including people killed by other iraqis and blaming the US for "allowing" that to happen you are retarded.

>>33229335

More like civil-war-kept-in-check-by-tyrannical-dictator mode.

Until we blew that lid.

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>>33210891

>Loses argument decisively
>F...Fucking faggot

10/10, great comeback.

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I don't know if his accounts were true or not, but I'd just like to know who in their right mind would take a vet suffering from war induced PTSD to a firing range?

Why the fuck did he think that would be a good idea?

>>33229727
Because, first and foremost, he was a retard.

Is Chris Kyle the most hated faggot on /k/? I can't think of anyone more hated in here than him.

Well, perhaps Shillary.

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>>33229770
Senator Feinstein

>>33229148
Oh fuck off, first the military is useless because "They killed 500k civilians" then when you learn most of those were probably killed by iraqis themselves its "But the US started it"

Retards like you are why /k/ is fucking insufferable.

>>33229671
Are you still this btfo defending your wrestler boyfriend?

>>33210818
>letting someone get away with disrespecting or defaming you because of silly things like being dead

Spooks.

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>>33229727
"Monkey on a gun" isn't going to be too bright...
Honestly, his own death could have easily been avoided.

>>33216551
>it looks trashy and unprofessional

Bought the post WWII bullshit, I see.

The only reason the "professional" military appearance of being clean shaven and shorthaired is a thing is because of needing to keep lice infestations low during the massive surge of the military population due to the world wars. It just sort of hung around afterwards, because of everyone buying the propaganda that military man=professional, morally upstanding character

>>33210738
He was a pathological liar.

>>33229871
>the military is useless

dat strawman tho...

>"But the US started it"

It is a perfectly legitimate argument. To draw a parallel, nobody really complains when the Nazis get blamed for French partisan/collaborationist infighting during their occupation.

>Retards like you are why /k/ is fucking insufferable.

I am sorry your US government/military dindu nuffin worldview got challenged.

So i decided to go look on the whole kyle v ventura case.
Turns out his wife managed to appeal the decision over some insurance clause that ventura's lawyer made.
wtf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/13/court-throws-out-1-8-million-judgment-against-american-sniper-chris-kyles-estate/?utm_term=.ccee0532fd84

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>>33230187
>US invades country over stupid shit
>everyone in said country starts killing each other
>limp wristed hippies would rather the US pull out altogether and the country descend into a full scale civil war than have the US fight against the paramilitaries long enough for a national government to form
>anti-Americans are perfectly happy to let innocent people suffer as long as it also makes the US look bad

>>33225944
To be fair a Taliban fighter who's wildly swinging his AK around on full auto won't be effective against trained soldiers. Higher marksmanship by American forces was one of the reasons the Iraqis got btfo so hard in firefights back in 2003.

>>33230401

pro-tip: greentext does not legitimize your dishonest misrepresentation of iraq war criticism

whether the US military stays or not is irrelevant to American culpability in the ongoing shitshow in the middle east. claiming critics want people to die because the US military ostensibly wants to stave off a civil war (in itself a debatable point) does not change the fact that the US the military engaged in actions that demonstrably exacerbated violence and sectarian tensions.

>>33230644
>red wing SEAL team got literally btfo by a single PKM

muh marksmanship

>>33230699
>in itself a debatable point

So the Jaish-al-Mehdi weren't dumping dozens of bodies a day?

AQI wasn't blowing up marketplaces on a weekly basis?

I think the Iraq War was stupid, but I think it's downright sociopathic to actively campaign against the one force in the country capable of protecting the civilian population.

The political left would honestly rather have let Iraq turn into Lebanon and cause untold human suffering, just for political brownie points.

This disgusts me.

>>33230759

Standard diversion argument. The subject here is the US military, not the insurrection. The claim is that the US military made numerous bone-headed decisions that strengthened the hand of the resistance. This is not really a point of argument, even the Pentagon admits they fucked up big time.

This neocon ploy of accusing critics of wanting more death to cover up the failures of the US military and dampen the prescient predictions of anti-war voices both inside and outside the military is getting stale, anyone with a brain can see right through it.

>>33230856
>liberals didn't want the US to pull out of Iraq
>pulling out of Iraq wouldn't have caused death and destruction

Also, the realistic numbers are like 100,000-200,000 dead, not half a million.

Also, I really must emphasize

>the resistance

Nigga, this isn't 1968, they were focused on killing each other, not the coalition.

>>33228952
>can only arrive at this number by estimating every single death in iraq over a 4-year period
>actual figure of violent deaths from reputable source (AP) is just 110,000
>even that includes all violent crime committed by non-state actors in the same time period by pretending to attribute all murder's motives to the fact that the iraqi state could not function; actual deaths to bullets and bombs from US soldiers is probably a fraction of that

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>>33230759
>OK yeah we destabilized the whole region
>but if we'd just kept doing the things that destabilized the whole region it would stabilize the region
Reinvade Iraq and start nation-building again when?

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>>33230953
>we'd just kept doing the things that destabilized the whole region

>creating a government is the same thing as destroying a government

>>33229296
and shouldn't there be a distinction between soulless charismatics, which is what people usually mean by sociopathy, and hostile, uncaring, paranoid killers who completely lack empathy?

is there some third word you know we don't?

>>33230187
>partisan
so not actually an innocent civilian, then.

>>33230938
>liberals

The cohort of pro-war "liberals" in CONgress disagrees with your simplification.

>Also, the realistic numbers are like 100,000-200,000 dead, not half a million.

Worthless point. The exact size of the butcher's bill is irrelevant.

>they were focused on killing each other, not the coalition.

Total horseshit. Resentment against foreign occupation and what Iraqis deemed as collaborationists was the overwhelming motivation for resistance in Iraq. Coalition soldiers were simply harder to kill, not less desriable targets.

>>33230994

Yes, they were. Civilian resistance against unjust foreign occupation is morally legitimate, in France or Iraq.

>inb4 unlawful combatant

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>>33230962
>Creating a brutal regime organized on explicitly sectarian and ethnic lines that proceeds to brutally repress another ethnic group that's a minority locally but a majority regionally and continuing to prop them up despite mountains of evidence of corruption, brutality, and incompetence doesn't contribute to destabilization
SHIA DINDU NUFFIN
IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT ISIS IS LED BY FORMER BAATH PARTY AND AQI HEAVIES
THE UNITED STATES WASN'T BACKING SHIA DEATH SQUADS AT ALL
JUST 10 MORE YEARS OF OCCUPATION UNTIL IRAQ IS A THRIVING SECULAR DEMOCRACY YOU GUYS I PROMISE

>>33231018
>>33231049
>resistance

You mean foreign war tourists trying to slaughter enough of the other ethnic group to trigger a civil war?

If you can give me an example of a nationalist Iraqi leader who wanted to push out the Americans, and didn't place sectarian loyalties above national ones, I'd appreciate it.

>people still think the sectarian militias that slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians were the "good guys"
>people still support the slaughter of innocent Iraqi civilians because it's edgy and anti-American

baka desu sempai

>>33231082
If you could give me a better option the US had, tell me. I'm honestly not seeing what could have been done better, given the shit sandwich the US was looking for after the initial invasion.

>stay in Iraq
>Shiite militas start killing US troops again and not withdrawing probably loses you the 2012 election

At least al-Maliki is gone now.

>>33231096
>implying the vast majority of resistance in Iraq wasn't Iraqi

It took the US military weeks to gather together a small pile of foreign passports in Fallujah to justify the "foreign jihadist" bullshit narrative.

The #1 hindsight critique provided by US military brass on the entire shitshow is the disbandment of the Iraq military which led, according to them, directly to the Sunni resistance.

>If you can give me an example of a nationalist Iraqi leader
>implying the resistance was centralized with one leader
>implying having a personal agenda or plan for your own country post-occupation delegitimizes resistance against foreign occupation

>good guys

Keep those strawmen coming, they are delicious to me.

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>>33231122
>don't invade Iraq with no win-condition or exit strategy
>don't disband the Iraqi military
>don't detain Iraqi military and AQI in a giant detention camp along with thousands of impressionable young Sunni men angry about foreign invaders
>don't artificially prop up a Shia regime and ignore their atrocities
If you start counting in 2009, sure, we had no choice and nothing could be done.
But show me where re-invading or contiuing to make insane foreign policy mistakes while also destabilizing other regimes in the area makes anything better.

This argument that we can solve the fallout of Imperialism in the Middle East with more Imperialism in the Middle East is, in a word, retarded.

>>33231314
You're right.

But.

>is argument that we can solve the fallout of Imperialism in the Middle East with more Imperialism in the Middle East is, in a word, retarded.

I think you're missing a key distinction.

The US spent 1991-2003 trying to topple the Iraqi government, and 2004-present trying to create an Iraqi government.

That second part was totally necessary.

Before you knock the stripper up, it's a good idea to stay away from her. Afterwards, if you run away from that responsibility, you're a nigger.

>>33231522
>refusing to admit guilt
>deflecting culability onto others

defining nigger characteristics

>>33228952
>>33229394
Technically the majority of civilian deaths were by foreign insurgents who came from neighboring countries.

>>33231584
Nigga, I didn't invade no Iraq.

I'm saying

>calling Iraqi insurgents "resistance" amounts to shilling for a third world death squad for the sake of virtue signalling
>once you're there, you have a responsibility to get to at least status quo ante bellum

>>33229185
>People tend to be more careful when it comes to the lives of their own countryfolk.
The majority of fighters weren't Iraqi and went hard as fuck against the civ population because they were willing to work with us.

>>33231641
>the irony of accusing others of "virtue signalling" when one accuses others of wanting people to die to continue a failed nation-building experiment

Resistance against foreign occupation is legitimate, sectarian mass murder is not. They are two entirely different things, conflating the two is just propaganda to legitimize US government criminality.

>>33231629

Factually incorrect, the foreign jihadi narrative is a Pentagon concoction.

>Chris Kyle remembers the day we found the WMDs in Iraq. Chris Kyle and his team of lesser Chris Kyles infiltrated a underground WMD storage facility. eliminating the personal inside with extreme accuracy Chris Kyle had to eye shot the head scientist before he could set off one of the WMDs and killing everybody and making Chris Kyle radioactive or something. With the WMDs secured the brass came in the look on there face meant they were scared shitless. see the words on the WMDs were in French and German and it was decided to cover the entire operation up so it wouldn't embarrass France or Germany.. Chris Kyle was not pleased.

>>33231697
>continue a failed nation-building experiment

The government we put in Baghdad is still there. I'm sure that if the US had just bailed in 2004, things would be better off than they are now.

>conflating the two is just propaganda to legitimize US government criminality.

Well, there was nobody in Iraq doing the former and not the latter.

When you talk about "resistance" you're talking about people who load small children up with explosives and send them into a mosque.

I think it's repulsive to let innocent people suffer for the sake of Chompskyite platitudes and Starbucks liberalism.

>>33230759
>but I think it's downright sociopathic to actively campaign against the one force in the country capable of protecting the civilian population.
That's called Saddam Hussein

>>33231761
Hence why I say the original invasion was stupid, but the reconstruction of the country was desperately needed.

>>33211084
Alternative facts friendo!

Served his country
killed a lot of people.
Probably had some mental issues.

Still a fucking hero!

/thread

>>33231758
>The government we put in Baghdad is still there

Now that's lowering the bar. The grand strategic plan laid out by the Bush administration for the Middle East is in tatters so now a Shiite corruptocracy is an indicator of success.

>Well, there was nobody in Iraq doing the former and not the latter.

Pure conjecture. Anti-occupation sentiment was the overwhelming motivator for resistance activities. Moreover, US culpability in fostering sectarian violence literally forced everyone in Iraq to take sides.

>I think it's repulsive
>Chompskyite

Save your faux outrage and labels, they don't work any more.

>>33231880
>Pure conjecture

Okay, point me to a resistance organization in Iraq that wasn't a sectarian death squad.

>>33229965
>Especially when people are still profiting off the defamation

>>33231773
At what point do you draw the line on interference in the self-determination of a people who don't want your fucking """help""", though?
Particularly when that """help""" has literally never had a positive impact on their lives or the situation outside the extremely short-term, if at all?

To speak to your analogy about getting the stripper pregnant: yeah, in an ideal world you do what's right, man up, and give that baby a good life. But sometimes you're a drug addict with borderline personality disorder (that is to say, for whatever reason a wildly unfit parent) and the best thing you could ever do for that baby is just fuck off forever. It's an extremely flawed analogy but the idea that US military and political intervention has had or will have a positive impact on the ground in Iraq is not borne out by decades of history

>>33231899

Islamic Army in Iraq and Political Council for the Iraqi Resistance, for starters.

The irony here is the US sided with the Shiites, whose militias were actual sectarian death squads.

>>33231955
Presumably when there's an elected government that tells you to go away.

Which is why the US left in 2011.

Saying that "well, we can't help them anyway" is a cop-out. The surge did its job of suppressing the militias long enough for the US to fuck off and for a semi-functional government to show up in Baghdad.

>>33231955

Except military occupation by the U.S is literally the reason why Germany, South Korea and Japan are not commie shithole but are 1st world democratic countries.

>>33230856
>insurrection
Insurgency, they were foreign fighters, anon.

>>33232002
>twisting history this badly to justify US government fuckups

sad

>>33231082
>IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT ISIS IS LED BY FORMER BAATH PARTY AND AQI HEAVIES
The leaders are the prisoners the Iraqi government just stupidly let walk. The core of their soldiers were the Sunni Sons Of Iraq who were fighting for the government's side until they decided to stop paying them.

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>>33210738

Surprised how this thread turned out. I thought /k/ was filled with edgelords who think killing Iraqis is ok because "lol they're third-world shitskins".

>>33231971
>The Political Council for the Iraqi Resistance is made up of the three members of the previously announced Jihad and Reform Front along with two other known groups:

>Islamic Army in Iraq (IAI)
>Sharia Commission of Ansar al-Sunnah
>Islamic Front for the Iraqi Resistance (JAMI)
>Hamas of Iraq

>Jaish Ansar al-Sunna claimed responsibility for several suicide bombings in Iraq, including the devastating attacks on the offices of two main Kurdish political parties, KDP and PUK, in Irbil on February 1, 2004, that killed at least 109 people. The strikes were one of the bloodiest attacks launched by insurgents since the start of the war.

>Ansar al-Sunna was one of three groups responsible for the kidnapping of foreigners in Iraq in 2004 and the subsequent broadcasting of their beheading via the Internet

>The IAI is believed responsible for the execution of the following foreigners:

>Enzo Baldoni, Italian journalist killed on or about August 26, 2004.
>Raja Azad (49), engineer, and Sajad Naeem (29), his driver, Pakistani nationals working in Iraq for a Kuwaiti-based firm killed on or about July 28, 2004.
>Dalibor Lazarevski, Dragan Marković, and Zoran Naskovski, nationals of Republic of Macedonia, working for United Arab Emirates-based Soufan Engineering on contracts and subcontracts for the U.S. military and its private contractors. The three were seized in August 2004 and the Macedonian government confirmed their execution by October 21, 2004; receipt of videos depicting two beheadings were announced, but not broadcast, on al-Jazeera TV on October 17, 2004.
>Ronald Schulz, American contract electrician, killed around December 8, 2005

So what I'm getting is that you're shilling for a bunch of suicide bombers and head choppers because it fits with your narrative about western imperialism.

>>33232006
>still parroting that bullshit line

Iraqis made up the vast majority of resistance against the US occupation.

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>>33232023

>japan, s.korea and west germany is a fuckup
>"twisting history"

I bet you also believe everything bad about the Soviet Union is capitalist propaganda.

>>33231175
You are seriously very stupid. Except fairly early in the war almost the entirety of anti-coalition, anti-Iraqi forces were foreign fighters.

>>33231697
>Factually incorrect, the foreign jihadi narrative is a Pentagon concoction.
Yeah, nope. Every major group was foreign fighters. You've just never seen the classified side of it.

>>33232028
it's a school night.

>>33232073

It's just nice to hear people condemning war crimes instead of saying "lmao it's a war so I can act like a turbo piece of shit".

>>33232048
>Iraqis made up the vast majority of resistance against the US occupation.
You can be wrong as much as you like, dickhead. Iraqis were just as much a target as coalition forces of the foreign fighters.

>>33232002
that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

>>33231971
Uh are you sure about that? Pretty sure the Sunni awakening in 2007 was US-backed, as was the Iraqi army incursion into Mahdi army territory - all efforts to counterbalance against perceived (and probably real) Iranian influence in Iraq in the mid-late 2000s.

>>33232029
>organization formed in 2007
>cite bombings in 2004
>there are four groups under this organization

Their mission statement explicitly states they are against foreign occupation and against sectarianism. I see this as Iraqis putting aside their differences to fight against the occupier: literally the opposite of what you are claiming.

>shilling for head choppers

Again with the strawmen.

My two cents, killing foreign contractors is counterproductive. And in the context of this thread, i.e. making fun of your claim that all resistance against occupation is comprised of sectariarn death squads, these actions does not bolster your argument in any way whatsoever.

>>33232029
>Immediate post-invasion groups
I know you think you're right, but they were basically non-existent within a year.

>>33232106
>implying Iraqis will never kill other Iraqis

shiiiiiiet

>>33232168
That's some pretty good damage control.

>the Political Council for Iraqi Resistance isn't a death squad
>I point out that at least two of the four groups comprising the council took journalists hostage and then beheaded them
>well, the organization wasn't founded when that happened so it doesn't count

What I'm getting is that you're an all-around massive piece of shit.

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>>33232168
>7 months in 2005
>Percent that were foreign only rose

>>33232211
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anbar_Awakening
Around 2006 they banded together against the foreign insurgency.

>>33232143

If you were referring to Sons of Iraq during the surge era, that was the US attempt to bribe Sunnis into not joining the Sunni resistance. The death of the Madhi army ended Shiite infighting, and the conslidated Shiite death squads promptly went to work killing Sunnis in the 2010's.

>>33232226

You said *sectarian* death squad (operative word highlighted). Killing foreign contractors isn't an act of sectarian violence.

>massive piece of shit

no u

>>33232230
>Percent

Where? What is the total? How do you calculate a percentage without a total number? Learn to math.

Do you know how many Iraqis passed through the US military detention system?

>>33232322
>*sectarian*

Well, it's an exclusively Sunni group

>death squad

Kidnaps and murders journalists.

>no u

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but you're fucking wrong nigger

>>33232344
>Well, it's an exclusively Sunni group
>Ishmael Jubouri, stated that the IAI was predominantly composed of Iraqis (Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, and Arabs) trying to force foreign troops out of Iraq.

Learn to read.

>>33231899
>sectarian death squad
>sectarian

Learn to read your own posts.

>Sticks and stones may break my bones, but you're fucking wrong nigger

Funny, you're the only one using insults.

>>33232334
No, and neither do you, because it's still classified.

But I can guarantee you that we weren't concerned about the Iraqi's doing shit in 08/09.

>>33232395
>Ishmael Jubouri, stated

So your source is their press release?

Right here from the page

>is an Iraqi insurgent political coalition of six major Sunni militant groups operating inside Iraq

>Funny, you're the only one using insults.

I'm going to keep insulting you if you keep posting nonsense that a thirty second google search can prove wrong.

>>33232404
>But I can guarantee you

topkek. Why should I believe you? You made a percentage claim without a total number, the onus is on you to provide said total.

On the other hand, criticism of the disbanding of the Iraqi army is a constant theme in interviews with Pentagon brass and ISIS is run by Iraqi Sunni veterans of the resistance. You can derive whatever conclusion you want from those observations.

>>33232449
>and ISIS is run by Iraqi Sunni veterans of the resistance
No, again, it is a combination of the prisoners, which were mainly foreign zealots, that the Iraqi government just let go after US withdrawal, and the fighters were members of the Sons of Iraq, a loyal Sunni Militia group that turned on the government because they decided to just stop paying them.

>>33232449
So you're saying the heroic resistance fighters went on to become ISIS.

Why is shooting them bad again?

>>33232435
>So your source is their press release?

Yes, it is. Their political statement states they are against sectarianism, therefore they are an anti-sectarian group, unless you can demonstrate they engaged in sectarian violence after their formation.

>I'm going to keep insulting you if you keep posting nonsense that a thirty second google search can prove wrong.

More like you are using insults to make up for something... I'll leave it at that

>>33210804
It's called humble bragging.

Also:
>highest kill count in American history
Source? Oh yeah, himself. (Also, anybody who might be about to mention "confirmed kills" is falling for a Hollywood meme).

>>33232483
>mainly foreign zealots

Proof required

>So you're saying the heroic resistance fighters went on to become ISIS.

No, some of the Iraqi resistance went to ISIS. And as always, conflating two seperate, distinct actions is a basic logical fallacy.

>>33232577
>Can't properly quote multiple posts
>Still refusing to admit the facts

>619 Foreign fighters captured in just april-october 2005
>Hurr no dey wuz uhrak reziztinz

>>33232534
>unless you can demonstrate they engaged in sectarian violence after their formation

Okay.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28053496

The Islamic Army of Iraq, a member of the council, helped ISIS take over in 2014.

I suspect that this activity was sectarian in nature.

http://www.aymennjawad.org/15528/jamaat-ansar-al-sunna

Ansar al-Sunni is still up to the usual tricks.

Every time I've actually tracked down one of your claims, it's been a lie.

>>33232656
>The Islamic Army of Iraq, a member of the council, helped ISIS take over in 2014
>IAI formally demobilised and set up an activist wing - the Sunni Popular Movement

Literally zero proof that IAI "helped ISIS take over", since they are a political movement.

>Ansar al-Sunni is still up to the usual tricks.

Like what? According to the article you posted, they are talking about transnational islamism, not sectarianism. Try posting links that actually back your claims.

>Every time I've actually tracked down one of your claims, it's been a lie.

Whatever you need to say to bolster your flagging self confidence.

>>33210738
just being a SEAL gives you credbility

>>33232631
>Hurr no dey wuz uhrak reziztinz

As usual, strawmen and mispresentation on your part.

I have always maintained that the resistance was *mostly* Iraqi, not *entirely*.

This article in 2006 states that 14000 people are held in US military prisons, mostly in Iraq: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/14000-held-in-overseas-us-prisons/

600 of 14000 is less than 5%.

Your "facts" are garbage, deal with it.

>>33230018
It looks trashy despite historical context. If you work at a law office and have a 6 inch long pube fest on your face, clients will go somewhere else because they don't want to get legal advice from someone who looks like an autistic Rasputin. You can choose not to conform to society's norms and sell moto t-shirts for the rest of your life but most of us have higher aspirations

>>33230328
So this makes up for the fact that he still lied about beating him up?

>>33231851
How does Chris Kyle's cum taste? Is it salty?

>>33219119
>t. Bojack Horseman

>>33210738
Lying sack of shit. I am glad he's burning in Hell right now.

>>33214138
Lmfao
>gr evil man shittalking poor white beta

the same will come to u now lad, can't wait

>>33229364
Fuck you faggot

>>33224319
There was evidence that Kyle texted with his boyfriend Littlefield and his wife about the guy, saying he was crazy. It bit him in the ass.

>>33224319

I read this somewhere too, they had the exact quote but I can't remember it.

Kyle said something like, "I don't trust this guy, watch my six" or similar

>>33234208
Go back to your homework and My Little Pony, kid.

>>33234595
>Kyle said something like, "I don't trust this guy, watch my six" or similar
>Still takes him out to a range and gives him a loaded weapon

>>33232071
>You've just never seen the classified side of it.

Yeah and there's a classified report somewhere detailing all the WMD's the CIA found in Iraq. Fuck off with your secrecy argument.

The Pentagon made it a point to allow reporters to take photos of foreign passports recovered to try to push Bush/Rumsfeld's flypaper theory. And even after Fallujah their passport haul was pathetically small.

>>33234939

I think Kyle was trying too hard to be a "good guy" to call the whole thing off

>>33234939

The crazy guy was the son of one of the teachers at the school that Kyle's kids went to

The teacher was the one who approached Kyle and asked him to help her son (who was a fucking nutty schizo). I guess this is why he didn't back out.

>>33235366
>Second battle of Fallujah was at worst 3000 insurgents, with more conservative estimates closer to 1/3-1/2 that
>Implying everybody made sure to have passports on hand for the fight

>>33235544
He could've done something other than go shooting.

>>33235577
This was the weird part, apparently from the articles I've read Kyle is the one who suggested shooting.

The crazy dude's mom just asked Kyle to spend an afternoon with him or something

Probably not the best idea on his part

>>33235566

Plus all the ones they found in the city. The US government wanted to push a narrative and it did not pan out, similar to the body-count narrative in Vietnam.

Similarly, with all the claims of foreign jihadis, why were US military prisons overwhelmingly filled with Iraqis? Were the foreigners so much smarter at hiding in a foreign land? Or perhaps US military intelligence was woefully incompetent and were unable to locate the supposedly foreign ringleaders.

>>33235845
More likely the Iraqis didn't want our stupid asses to be there.

>>33235700
He told the kid to give it a shot.

>>33236045
>More likely the Iraqis didn't want our stupid asses to be there.

And therefore joined the resistance.

>>33236236
Like anybody would when occupied.The Iraqi war was a disaster of wasted lives and wasted money. George W Bush should have been hanged from the same gallows Saddam was hung from.

>>33236525

Amen

>>33225445
>What was the mentality behind ROE like that?
localized genocide
kyle was a good little brownshirt

>>33210738
Nothing he says was credible because he was a statist.

>>33233178
Like America!
Only more salty and less edgy.

>>33212360
>be SEAL
>poorly plan surveillance op that is not in our capabilities
>butch said op
>3 teammates get killed by roughly 20 farmers with AKs
>hide in mud hut
>get rescued 4 days later
>get book and movie deal because lol SEALs
>bring back the pashto who hid me for personal and financial gain
>basically abandon him
>muh hero

>>33219093
>Pathological liar goes on entertainment show that mostly tell lies to get views and ratings

Yeah, that's a no from me

>>33229116
A sociopath is emotionally stable will carefully plan every detail of a lie and will most likely never cross the kill line. A psychopath is highly unstable and can burst at any moment

>>33210738
Not as far as I'm concerned. If what he said is true, he was a horrible human being, and if it wasn't, then they were horrible things to lie about.

>>33222807
>The only place that fight ever happened is in the minds of Kyle and the losers that support him.

>>33223822
Fuck if I know. Luttrell is the only one who really knows what went down and for what reasons. The narrative has been so muddied by him lying I doubt the full truth will ever be widely known.
>>33230644
Funny, that's not how the Taliban/Haqqani/Afghans actually fight. They're actually somewhat competent marksmen for the most part.

>>33213213
chris needs a didnt survive getting shot

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>>33239071
>pop psychology
They're literally two names for the same exact disorder.

>>33212984
Something I didn't realize until I had reread the book was that when Kyle talks about "being lucky" to be in the places to make shots and tells a story about replacing another sniper on the rifle and immediately getting a kill is that the other sniper wasn't just shooting every man he saw for the flimsiest reason and Kyle was. That's why he got a kill so fast, and why he would come off of OPs with half a dozen kills.

In that story particularly he had just shot an unarmed man that the other sniper had refused to shoot a few seconds before when he was on the gun.

>>33239146
Pretty much this.
Either he actually did that shit and is a monster
Or he thought these stories were good things to lie about and were things an awesome badass would do, making him a piece if shit who wished he was a monster.

>>33229727
It wasn't PTSD. Ruth has schizophrenia. He was the quintessential Fobbit. Just because someone has a traumatic stress disorder means they are dangerous to themselves or others.

However, I agree it's fucking dumb that he took a guy who he didn't trust and had bad feelings about to a gun range, alone, and handed him a weapon, then turned his back on.

Just thought of this, what are the chances he made up the nickname Devil of Ramadi himself and just told everyone that's what the Iraqis called him?

>>33241275
>What are the chances the self-aggrandizing psychopath who made up stories about committing war crimes to seem cool and would wear Punisher skulls in the field made up his own nickname?
1000%

>>33211581
>Calls a SEAL he has never met a moron.
>Most likely has never read the amazing book American Sniper because you're stupid as fuck.

>>33223136
you forgot to count the rapes in europe perpetrated by alies aswell

>>33241368
That compilation of sentence fragments and tacticool wet dreams can barely be considered a book, let alone 'amazing'

>>33241405

Even more amusingly, the book was ghost-written.

Presuamably, Chris Kyle is incapable of writing at a 5th grade level.

>>33232002
Are you mentally handicapped?

>>33241395
Fucking this! Remember when the Japanese had to make government sanctioned brothels for US Troops in an attempt to lower the rapes on pure Japanese women. White Piggu go home you smell like fat pig you are Oink oink.

>>33242344
Remember the rape of Nanking or how the japs forced Korean women to be their concubines? How about the jap officers making a competition out of how many Philippino civilians they could kill with their retarded katanas? Maybe they shouldn't have tried to conquer Asia, the Pacific Islands and Australia all while committing genocide. You reap what you sow.

>>33232059

The "twisting" in question is your deliberate ignorance of casus belli and initial aggression, which is a key concept to distinguish just versus unjust wars. Your statement is fundamentally dishonest.

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>>33242344
Yeah it's not like Japan ever did anything to deserve it

>>33242516
Wait do you actually think there was no cause to go to war with the Third Reich or the empire of Japan? Or that North Korea WASN'T the aggressor?

>>33242516
You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.

>>33242520

>hurr durr your neighbor went to war and did bad thing
>you deserve to be raped because he committed a crime

ok

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>>33242555
We're talking about the difference between those wars and OIF/OEF you stupid nigger Jesus Christ

>>33242673
Collective guilt, did the Japanese really expect to get off scott-free after the horrific shit they pulled?

>>33242733
Yes and you're both retarded

>>33242749

Congratulations on justifying every act of terrorism ever committed

>>33242555

North Korea certainly was the party that initiated the actual shooting, but portray them as the sole bad guys in that situation is rather unfair.

>>33242832
Is there anything more repugnant than a compulsive equivocator?

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>>33242857

Korea was a unified nation for at least a thousand years, gets occupied by Japan by 40 years, then unilaterally partitioned by America after another 5.

Yeah, I can understand why Koreans would be pretty assblasted over it.

>>33232344
What's wrong with killing journalists?

>>33242917
The people doing it were Muslim, therefore it is inherently wrong.

>>33242749
Justifiable and ethical aren't interchangeable, and most acts of terror are at least somewhat justified albeit unethical. For instance, acts of terror committed against the Third Reich in Nazi Germany or the Japanese Empire during any one of their brutal occupations would be 100000% justifiable. When you systematically rape and murder your neighbors for a quarter of a century, people are going to return the favor once you're brought down and it is completely justified

>>33242800
Meant as a reply>>33242923

>>33237711
I used to be statist because I didn't question my government.
Then I became a libertarian because I didn't trust my government.
Then I became a statist again because I realize the government is right and people don't deserve "freedom" (and they don't even want complete freedom, just select freedom)

>>33239071
A) you've got that backwards
B) that's archaic and no longer accepted by experts in the field

>>33242923

I really hope you're being satirical.

>>33242975
>not wanting to have a balance of power between business and government so that neither one can get the upper hand

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>>33241356
>war crimes
>as if war itself shouldn't be considered a crime
Cracks me up every time

>>33242989
>implying the business and government are separated at all.

Smaller business and state governments are probably not in cahoots, though. At least, not explicitly. Many parts of the government/politicians might as well be considered corrupt as they'll do anything for votes. And democracy is pretty bad/illogical.

>>33243074
That's what unions and mass political organizations are for.

You need to keep adding stuff into the gumbo until nothing can control all of it.

>>33242988
So there is no such thing as moral ambiguity in your mind? If that's the case then you should agree those yellow monkeys got what was coming to them, eye for an eye. The worst part is they still don't think they did anything wrong and weeaboos like you eat that narrative up

>>33242975
>>33243074
>>33243088
>>>/pol/

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>>33243153
>the vicious rape, torture, and mutilation of another country is okay, but if you try to put the country out of its misery effectively and with extreme prejudice then you're committing a crime.

Shits just straight dumb yo

>>33243199
The rules of war are written to discourage men like Chris Kyle from indiscriminate killing that ultimately benefits no one. Unfortunately some people slip through the cracks

>>33243251
Then we should abolish the rules of war. Or at least stop pretending like America should follow them. We're more powerful than the rest of the world, so our word goes.

If America says that America should be the only country with nukes, then the rest of the world better give up their nukes or face getting nuked.

>>33243130

You don't persecute a people based on the actions of its government, you go after the people in the government who made those orders.