Is 5.56 anemic

>>33202562
Spec ops here
Yeah. It is literally designed to wound.
It can kill if you cause them to lose enough blood or hit them in the head a few times.
6.8 is superior in every way except for cost
(which doesn't matter to my as my shit is tax payer funded)
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>>33202571
Low quality kek

>>33202562
No.
1.SHOT PLACEMENT.
2.Barrel length.
3.SHOT PLACEMENT.
5.45 is proof that 5.56 works, and 5.8.

>>33202581
Eat a dick
Also i am the real hunter

>>33202562
>6.8 spc seems to be the perfect cartridge for its replacement
If you're committed to committed to keeping the same weapon platform. If you were willing to do more than swap uppers, I'd imagine consideration would be given to something that can accommodate longer, more streamlined bullets.

>>33202562
Navy Seal team 6 here
Yeah it is literally incapable of penetrating the body.
It can kill because it tickles so much you lose sleep.
Air soft pellets are superior in every way. They're the perfect balance of power and speed and cheaper.
SIMBLY EBIC

>>33202597
I withdraw my previous kek. Kys

>>33202605
Go smoke a chode
>>33202599
Thanks soldier. Im black ops myself.
5.56 sucks

>>33202571
STOP USING MY NAME.

>>33202571
>>33202597
>>33202612
>>33202617
Getting sick of you kids

Itt
Garbage opinions
Anyone that seriously uses 556 is a beta cuck TO THE MAX
762 Rhodesian yolo rounds for life dude!

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Another hunter thread
Count me in on this delicious new meme

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>>33202562
well what kind of enemy and battlefield?

if your enemy has armor it is significant reason to keep the 5.56x45 because of the velocity enabling you to penetrate their armor better.

note that sand people don't wear armor.

>>33202598
Like what?

>>33202651
Urban environment

>>33202562
It's fine, a centre mass hit will definitely drop someone. Not the best but not the worst, by any means.

>>33202661
it is my unexperienced opinion that the flexibility of the 5.56x45 bullets makes it viable for most things. With quite a few years of design going into the cartridge it would be a shame to throw it away.

from ~55 grain XM193 stuff for high velocity to ~77 grain Mk262 mod 1 stuff it allows for a good bit of flexibility

>>33202562
5.56 is designed to wound. 8mm Kurz is the only intermediate cartridge you should bother with.

>>33202745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdHEE6RTIPc

but
>muh M855A1 penetrates level 3 @25m from a 14.5" barrel

>>33202656
Well, if you look at other experimental rounds the military has played around with like 6mm SAW and .264 USA, you can see what I mean. The limiting factor with the alternative calibers in the AR15 platform is the magazine well.

>>33202562
6.5 Grendel is the superior cartridge.

>>33202813
Why is it better than 6.8

>>33202592
Where is your 4.?

>shot a guy in the finger with a 20mm
>he didn't die
>is the 20mm anemic?

>>33203157
37mm HVAP is the bare minimum acceptable for personal defensive carry in 2017. Back in the old days an arrow was good enough, then a blackpowder pistol or a .32acp was required, then we had to move up to 9mm and 45 until they too stopped working, so on and so forth. It's natural selection in action: as we keep fighting with projectiles, the people most susceptible to projectiles will die off faster, so as a species we gradually become more and more resistant to them, and we have to keep using bigger and more powerful bullets to keep pace. In a hundred years we'll be forced to switch to laser weaponry not because it's more advanced but because we'll have hit the point where humans can take hits from 18" naval cannons and walk them off.

>>33203145
Sorry drunk.

>>33202562
Plenty of people have died to 5.56, 7.62, 50. BMG 9mm, .45, and fucking tiny pieces of shrapnel. Anything will kill you if it hits right. The only place I would say the 5.56 is deficient is at very long range.

>>33202562

>Is 5.56 anemic when it comes to dropping bodies?

No.

>Is it only as popular as it is due to availability and price?

No.

>.8 spc seems to be the perfect cartridge for its replacement

Almost yes but no.

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CAME HERE TO POST THIS

PIC RELATED NOTE IMMEDIATE EXPANSION UNLIKE MOST FOLKS WHO THINK OF TRASH LATE UNRELIABLE YAW/FRAGMENTING MIL AMMO LIKE M193 OR M855 WHEN THEY THINK OF 5.56.
*LEAVE THE THREAD

Green Beret here.

5.56 is shit. We've been returning to lever action 45-75 for stopping power.

>>33202562
Nope. I've seen a man shot from 10 feet away with a 5.56 NATO. His face looked like hello afterwards. I think I almost puked.

>>33204270
Hello* Jello

Seriously it concaved his face. It's not your daddy's .22.

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>>33204030

Mmmmm...speer 64gr softpoints...my preferred defensive load

>>33202626

Die tripfag

In a painfull way if possible

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>>33203401
>not a shitpost

Get serious anon, where's your head at.

5.56 is a great combat round. It is not a marksman round. If for some reason communist zombies are attacking your homestead and you need to shoot past 500m, use 7.62.

>>33204392

At least try to sound less retarded next time you speak about something you have not a fucking clue about.

>>33204282

I remember this pics from the Mexican military's raid on El Chapo. I also saw gun shot fatalities when I temped at the morgue. Bullet wounds are gross as hell.

>>33204309

Weird, does the jacket run all the way up the spitzer point on those? I started using game kings in my reloads, but I haven't used them on game yet.

>>33202599
Marine Core Ranger Seal here. You're full of shit. The 55.6 can absoultely kill with a temporary cavity. Just like the ones in your rotten mouth.

>>33202617
I know! Isn't it frustrating?

>>33202661
If you turn a Glawk sideway with da nine, it kills niggers deader.

>>33204442

>Weird, does the jacket run all the way up the spitzer point on those?

Yes. Federal's XM556SBCT3 is the same way. Both are bonded, I think due to the bonding process the entire bullet is jacketed/bonded and then the tips are cut off to expose the lead tip.

>>33204463

I'll check those out if I can find bullets somewhere. Hopefully they aren't 2x the price of normal bullets like every other bonded/monolithic.

By the way, Speer has a 75gr JSP now as well, but it looks almost like a metplat, so it's not something I'd use for general purpose bullets.

>>33204439
>t. butt injured AR-15 kiddo

>>33202645
>new
Hello newfriend

>>33204030
Steel bullets were a mistake.

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>>33204030
Check point of entry on the far left. Bullet passing through softer materials produces an easy, clean puncture.

Steel plate produces an immediate cloud of shrapnel. This fragmentation would be stopped by soft armor backing (which you should be wearing with steel).

Not scared of your snowflake round, anon.

>>33202571
Dude, quit it seriously.

>>33204444
You fucking liar rangers and seals aren't Even part of the marine corpse

>>33204392

Um...I fucking hope you mean 7.62x51. 5.56 compared to 7.62x39 is far superior with shot placement inside 500 meters. I've qualified with both and not having to adjust for distance inside of 300 meters makes it that much easier to use.

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>>33204712

>>33202597
>>33202571
>>33202630
bro if you don't shut the fuck up im going to knock you out and fuck your bitch. Got it?

>>33204726
That can't be real...

-7" of drop at 200m ???

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>>33204726
>>33204712
>Russian short rounds

No, you simpletons. 7.62x51 NATO, effective to 800m and beyond. Context clues, guys.

>>33202651
I can smell her fishy snatch wafting toward me.

>>33204760
>>33204753

Russian trash rounds. Not the glorious 7.62x51 NATO home boy.

>>33202562
>implying availability and price aren't good.

WE KNOW 7,62 carries more energy.
WE KNOW this means improved stability, penetration, etc.
But eight out of ten it's overkill.
5,56 is enough to drop most rapscallions in most situations.
I prefer 200 rounds of 5,56 to 100 7,62.
The trade-off isn't worth it.
Really, are we in this stupid search for a round good for everything again? I thought the twentieth was over.
If you need to place a round in a head a mile away, you need another gun.

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No.

>>33204444
wasted quads.
556 is only lethal through blood loss or if you hit them in the eye
Ask me about my service to prove it

>>33204952
How many bathrooms did you scrub while serving in the military?

>>33204994
Never needed to.
I existed outside the chain of command.
Army enlisted scrubbed my toilets every day
Its awesome being a marine

>>33202818
All purpose round that has superior firepower to the 5.56 and better range than the 7.62.

However the rounds are fat and take up more space than 5.56. Like the 5.56, it needs heavy bullets to achieve good velocity with short barrels.

>>33205269
>velocity

I mean performance. Velocity doesn't mean everything.

>>33204824

Not to mention that an infantryman using a light 5.56x45mm weapon can carry extra munitions like; an extra belt of 7.62x51mm for a GPMG, extra 40mm grenades for a grenadier, or a LAW.

Arguably giving every rifleman a battle rifle would reduce the overall firepower of a platoon by reducing the other stuff they can carry.

>>33205142
please tell us about your 5.56x45 terminal performance anecdotes

>>33205142
If only anyone cared.

>>33202617

You first.

>>33205401

Stop pretending to me.

Lil known fact about me. The 3-1 is actually how many black cocks I've taken with out passing out. 3 to 1 seems good score so far.

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>>33205269
Grendel isnt all that.

123gr hornady ELD match Grendel
24" bbl
mv - 2580fps
G1/7 BC - .506/.255

175gr hornady ELD match .308
24" bbl
mv - 2700fps
G1/7 BC - .523/.263

Grendel is a step up from .223, but its completely inferior to .308 ballistically. Stop comparing high end grendel loads to m80 ball.

If you want make your grendel better, make it 6mm.

>>33204952

Lemme see dem knife hands, boi

>>33202562
I feel like once a round becomes adopted for the military, it becomes sort of a positive feedback loop. There are many more rounds that fill a niche better, and possibly rounds that overall do marginally better. It doesn't quite offset the cost of creating a new supply chain and also switching rifles/parts.Current military rounds are seen as "good enough", especially when the main goal is to gain local fire superiority through more rounds downrange and pin them down long enough for arty, air, or other local fire support to fuck them. 5.56 means you can carry a lot of ammo that is also "good enough" at killing.

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>>33205450

>>33205450
While that guy got his facts wrong about Grendel being "better" than .308, it does retain a lot of energy. It has an excellent terminal velocity (muzzle velocity is a good measure for napkin math, but doesn't account for ballistic coefficient). .308 is better the same way .50 BMG is better than .308: it's a larger round with more ass behind it. however Grendel is smaller, cheaper, had less recoil, and weighs less. Meaning you can carry more of them than .308. The trajectories are similar, and at 800 yards they have the same terminal velocity. Grendel is also less affected by crosswinds because of it being more aerodynamic.

>>33205508
But your wrong.
.308 starts off faster and has a higher ballistic coefficient in match rounds.

Grendel ammo and .308 ammo are about the same price for match ammo, about a $1 a round.

>>33202562
>1000 ft lbs of energy
>anemic
toparmchaircommandokek

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