Would you disobey a direct order?

>>33199655
Would you permanently fuck off this board and never come back?

>>33199655
Yeah, if it's unlawful.

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>>33199655

From the Gunny?

Fuck no.

What if the real test was to see whether or not you've got the courage to disobey the order?

>>33199655
Supposedly, I have.

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depends on the order and the one giving it

could you be any less vague?

I do all the time at work if they are wrong

Only if it served my personal interests, I could defend it before a tribunal, and I didn't like the guy giving it.
Or if it was a woman lmao

>>33199655
If goes against my oath and code to protect the people of my country then yes.

>>33199672

that's cute

>Lawrence La Croix, a squad leader in Charlie Company in My Lai, stated in 2010: “A lot of people talk about My Lai, and they say, ‘Well, you know, yeah, but you can’t follow an illegal order.’ Trust me. There is no such thing. Not in the military. If I go into a combat situation and I tell them, ‘No, I’m not going. I’m not going to do that. I’m not going to follow that order,’ well, they’d put me up against the wall and shoot me."

what u mean theres' no chicken wang mre's???

get me some now or I will get uppity!

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>>33199939
forgot pic

>>33199655
yeah, if the order was not to drop napalm on civilians

>>33199655

Absolutely. That's why I didn't volunteer for an organization that requires unquestioning belief in command.

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>>33199971
Only correct answer in this thread.

>>33199655
Depends on the severity of the fucktardeness pertaining to said order
Trying to reason with the CO would come first
But I would say under certain circumstances, absolutely. I'm human.

>>33199927
I don't believe him

>>33199927
>half of his company refused to follow the order
>nothing happened to them

GG no re fag

>>33199927
no one in the US military has been executed in the field like since probably Vietnam.

Even this asshat was captured alive, put on trial, and executed by lethal injection after being found guilty by a jury.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Hasan_K._Akbar

>>33199927
Pfeh, I'll take my chances with the court martials I'd rather be THOUGHT of as a coward than BE a murder happy degenerate.

>>33199927
If ordered to fire on civilians, instantly frag the person giving the order.

>>33199655
Yes. Especially if it disobeyed a previous direct order from a higher ranking official; such as an oath to defend the constitution

>>33200502

actually they all followed the order

the helicopter pilot who rescued some civilians was in a different unit entirely. he was in turn reprimanded for "interfering"

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>>33199971
/thread

>>33199655
I'm married. I disobey daily.

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>>33199655
As long as it didn't involve a form of treason or attacking American civilians, more than likely.

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>>33199971

>>33199655
Yes, I have several times.

Sometimes orders are discretionary, the one I did more than twice, was disregard an order to shoot at an approaching vehicle as a gunner.

I got chewed out each time, but I made the right call. If I had made the wrong one, the consequences would have been worse than a smoking.

>>33199927

At least in here one may demand the order to be provided in written form, which allows doing following after being given illegal order:

1. Demand the order in written form -> if provided you have evidence for court martial. Also, this should make the asshat giving the illegal order to think what he/she is doing.

2. If the order is provided in written form take it, read it to make sure that is gives accurate picture of what was actually ordered. Then make clear that you consider the order to be illegal and therefore refuse to obey it. Better be (locked & loaded, safety off) ready at that point, since it is likely that the person giving illegal order is out of their fucking mind.

3. Make it absolutely clear that not only are going to refuse following the order, but make clear if if he keeps demanding for anyone to follow that order that order you will arrest him/her and/or if the illegal action mentioned in it will actually happen, you will provide the document to court martial as evidence.

>>33202039
>actually thinks this shit will work in the field
>actually thinks the 2nd lieutenant won't have sergeant hardass blow your brains out on the spot by the time you get to point #2

topkek

>>33202076
>He thinks a PSG will let a boottenant order his guys to do illegal shit.

>>33202180
>He thinks a PSG won't let a boottenant order his guys to do illegal shit.

>>33199655
I do all the time.
Spec Ops units exist outside the chain of command, and as such we are able to ignore orders if they conflict with our mission.
Protip kiddos: Most KIA and MIA are from Spec Ops fragging people for telling them what to do
The lesson is don't tell us what to do

>>33202199
>Spec Ops units exist outside the chain of command

kys

>>33202184
>confirmed for civilian fag
>confirmed for <18

Kys

>>33202213
Quiet kid

>>33202231
>military careerists won't toe the line to preserve their pensions

topkek

>>33202076

Actually thinks that I would not have at least my 2nd in command with me (and covering my back) when getting orders... That is just routine to make sure that he knows exactly what the orders are in case something happens to me.

The basic idea is to make the person giving illegal order to actually think if giving such order is a good idea. Sure - let's assume his sergeant hardass shoots me on the spot - immediately followed by my 2nd in command capping both the Stg hardass and the shithead who ordered him to do murder me. Not that I would not be in lock & loaded + safety off mode at that moment either.

>>33202239
>toe the line
underage illiterate confirmed

fuck no,

if my order was to kill one of my own i would do it.

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>>33199939
>>33199964

>>33202199
Also what we do is suck mad dick

>>33201143
There are no civilians anon, only enemy reserves.

>>33199655
Not simple enough to be in the military and I hate when people tell me what to do,so I got phd and living on my own terms.