Vepr AK 47-11

>>33198871
Yes you should get it. It's a sturdier reinforced version of the AK. It will outlast you and your grandkids.

The cons are it's a little heavier. It won't take regular AK furniture but there are people making furniture for the VEPR (I'd leave it as is).

>>33198871
What are the pros/cons between that and a SAM7R?

>>33199634
one is vepr, one is not

>>33198871
It's an RPK, so only buy it if you don't mind that.

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>>33198871
>45degree gas block

>>33199897
Nothing wrong with that except
>dimpled

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>>33199897
>wanting a 90° gb on a 7.62x39 rifle
It's like you don't love A E S T H E T I C lines or something.

OP Veprs are great rifles.

>>33199897
>>33199944
gas block is fine

>>33199957
No, it's not.

>>33199997
why?

>>33198871
I would just get the new SLR-107. It'll last as long as a VEPR and it uses standard AKM furniture, plus the extra weight of the receiver on the VEPR isn't worth the theoretical extra longevity it is suppposed to provide.

>>33200034
Yea, but it has an even worse 90 degree gas block

>extremely front heavy
>no cleaning rod/bayonet lug
>has to use RPK handguards


get a SLR if you can find one.

>>33200060
Can you actually explain why having one style of gas block is advantageous over the other, or are you just being a meme-spouting retard?

>>33200139
he's autistic

>>33200139
It's not a functional issue, it's just a looks issue.

>>33198871
>2017
>not owning at least 3 dracos and a Type 56

>>33198871
Good rifle but it's pretty heavy

>>33200020
Not him, I'm the original shitposter. After a few thousand rounds, the gas port on the 45 degree will start to form a cavity where the barrel meets the gas block. This is one of the reasons they replaced it with the 90 degree.

>>33200034
>>33200088
>SLR 107

Enjoy having your finish bubble and flake off on a thousand dollar rifle

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>>33200564
This

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>>33200511
>Not sure if b8ing or just parroting incorrect information
The 90°gb is a change made to the -74 because 5.45x39 is higher velocity with a smaller bullet. The projectiles would shear when they passed the 45° port. It's also easier to drill a 90° hole in a barrel than a 45° hole.
It has literally zero effect in 7.62x39 rifles.

>>33198871
>Vepr AK 47-11
I own one

>muh cleaning rod
Who gives a fuck about a cleaning rod?

>Muh bayo lug
Who give a fuck about a bayonet?

>Muh 8 lbs is too heavy
If 8 lbs is too heavy you need to stop watching porn/anime and lift something other than your dick

Its slightly heavier than any other aresenal AK but it has a heavier barrel and rpk rear sights. Only downside is its thicker receiver makes some aftermarket shit require filing to fit.

>>33200604
Veprs are excellent rifles, for sure.
BUT:
>Who gives a fuck about a cleaning rod?
I do, for one. With the rod and buttstock capsule cleaning kit an AK has everything you need to do all non-armorer-level work on the gun self-contained.
>Who give a fuck about a bayonet?
Less crucial than above, definitely, but still nice to have
>If 8 lbs is too heavy you need to stop watching porn/anime and lift something other than your dick
8lbs empty. 10lbs loaded. That's not nothing either there tough guy. It weighs as much as a milled AK.
I personally think it's probably one of the best AKs on the market currently but that doesn't mean it doesn't have drawbacks.

Getting emotionally invested in your purchases is for retards playboy.

>>33200604
Loaded it's close to 10lbs. For a range toy that's fine but if you ever want to take a class with it or do anything else it's gonna be a bitch.

>>33200778
my god you are a pussy.

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>>33200591
Thanks anon

>>33201316
The weight is fine when all you do is walk with it from your car to the range table. Doing things like training classes causes fatigue a lot quicker with a front-heavy 10lb rifle.

Calm down, anon

>>33200697
OP Here I just want a really good, all around ak. This would be my first ak. I have a verp 12 and I love that gun, but if there is a better ak out there I want to know.

>>33201410
If you have a Vepr-12 already then that's your first AK.
As for AKs in general, "Best" isn't an easy question to answer because you also need to define what you're looking for.
Stamped? Milled? 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 7.62x54r, 5.56x45, 7.62x51? How much do historical accuracy, aesthetic, and aftermarket matter to you?
For 7.62x39, which is what I assume you're looking for:
The Vepr AK-47-11 is an excellent gun, but as has been noted it has its drawbacks.
Arsenal guns are widely considered to be high-quality, and they're about the only way to get a properly-made factory side-folding stock, for instance. They also all have a 90°gasblock, which as you've seen ITT can be a contentious issue. QC can also be an issue which many (myself included) is unacceptable for a >$1k gun
Arsenal is also making fixed-stock AKs for a lower pricepoint but again, that gas block means it visually will never actually look like a correct AKM
Also stamped Arsenal guns are unobtainium currently
Converted Saigas are also great but overpriced due to import bans, plus the above stuff also applies.
Milled Arsenal guns are by all accounts also really good but milled AKs are a meme generally (same exact weight drawback as the heavier Vepr but not markedly more durable than a properly-built stamped gun) and frankly they're really fucking expensive for what they are.
If you're gonna drop that kind of dosh on a milled gun might as well go all out and get a Polytech.
A lot of people shill for Rifle Dynamics but for the price they charge the gasblock they use is unnaceptable.
PSA's AKs are supposedly really good. Currently this is the only made-in-USA AK not considered shit.
WASRs and NPAPs are about the cheapest g2g AKs on the market. Anything cheaper is shit.
It's also generally worth looking into kit guns built by reputable builders.

There is no single "best" 7.62x39 AK, basically, but there are good and bad ones.

>>33200564
>thousand dollar rifle
>expensive
Do people really think this?

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>>33201732
I don't give a fuck if it costs $200 or $2000, it's unacceptable.
And Arsenal agrees with me. You know, since they fixed those guns for free.

>>33201636
Yeah I am looking for a 7.62x39. I don't really care about about historical accuracy. Weight does matter to me because I would take a class with this gun. I want to spend around 1,200. I really just want a ak that isn't going to be a pos.

>>33201732
We aren't saying that's too expensive for a rifle, we're saying that canted sights and finish that literally falls off after light use is ridiculous for the cost

I own one curently in the 762-54r i love it. i am looking for a pso scope or lookalike and a rail system if anyone has input

>>33201814
Then what's the problem?
>>33201953
>canted sights
Haven't heard about that, what's going on with it?

>>33202004
Arsenals are known for having canted sights. The funny part is that as long as it's possible to still zero the rifle Arsenal will claim it's in spec

>>33202048
I have literally never heard of this before.

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>>33202004
Arsenals ship crooked all the damn time.
They're actually worse than WASRs because people check WASRs expecting them to be canted. People assume when they drop >$1k it'll be fucking built straight, that it won't have a shit-tier trigger in it, and that fucking Hoppe's won't literally strip the finish.

>>33202059
Check out google images. Hundreds of examples

>>33202062
>>33202104
Looking into it. I was planning on buying an SLR-104fr because I want a sidefolding 74 and it seemed like the best option.

>>33202173
Just make sure to inspect it in store before buying or accepting the transfer

>>33202173
It is the best option.
Just don't assume "muh Arsenal quality" and neglect to inspect the fucking gun.

>>33201844
If you want a top tier ak I would recommend a converted saiga 7.62. As long as the conversion was done by a reputable builder (desu even garage builds are fairly hard to fuck up) you will have literally one of the best aks you can currently get in the US. You should easily be able to find one for about 1k (probably less ) which will leave you plenty for ammo and mags. Saigas have good finish and sights. If you get a fully converted one they accept cleaning rods and bayonets and all that jazz. Only thing is if you get one with a front end conversion (reciever and forward) you need to make sure its done by someone reputable, the sights won't be canted much if at all out of izhmash factory but if bubba fucked up with the new sight and gas block you'll need to take it to a smith to get them straight.

>>33202447
thanks anon I'll look into it.

Can someone tell me about DDI aks? I was under the impression they were great from a few videos i saw, are they shit? how do they compare to an Arsenal or Vepr?

>>33202690

junk, overpriced, and scumbag owner, DDI doesn't really exist anymore.

PSA owns the DDI name

>>33202714
shit thanks anon, i had no idea

>>33202690
DDI's kit-built guns are good and that's how they got the good reputation. Their made-from scratch guns are shit and that's why they fell from grace so hard and fast. That they also have shit-tier customer service and a complete dickhead for a CEO. There are multiple screencaps of him getting into internet fights on Facebook and the AK Files with customers who had problems with their guns. He also went on a pretty hilarious damage control campaign/meltdown when DDI guns shit the bed multiple times during the AKOU tests.

>>33202727
that makes sense, thanks for the heads up

So what about a gun that takes ak mags but isnt a ak?

>>33203385
but that's retarded

>>33203385
AKA "a nigger-rigged SKS?"
They're good on paper but unreliable in practice.

>>33200139
meme spouting retard
90 degree is only necessary for 5.45 or 5.56

>>33202048
that's because if you can zero the rifle, it IS in spec

AKs are not ARs and a little sloppiness is to be expected
and cant that doesn't affect zeroing is just cosmetic

>>33204601
Not that I disagree, but it seems like you're defending it. I wouldn't mind if it was on a $500 psa kit, but for a company with a reputation like arsenal to be releasing rifles with a $1k price tag that have any kind of issues, cosmetic or otherwise, many people find that simply unacceptable. Doesnt matter if it still fonctions, my car still functions with a scratch or broken window, but if I get it from the dealership in that condition I would be pissed.

>>33204210
>>33204590
I was thinking more m+m or the akb15 or a galil

>>33205975
those are retarded tho

>>33206089
Why?

>>33204823
Can't you recoat the rifle with kg gun coat

>>33208471
you shouldn't have to though

>>33200604
Why don't you like bayonets?

>>33201316

>Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain

For range work the VEPR is fine. But in a SHTF situation I'd want the lighter of the rifles.

As good as a VEPR is, I'd recommend one of the new WASRs. Buy ammo and/or training with the left over money.

>>33202048
>as long as it's possible to still zero the rifle Arsenal will claim it's in spec

That's the case with any factory combloc built AK rifle. If it can be zero'd, it's "in-spec".

>>33202062

I had a 1997 Romy CURII rifle that had a canted rear sight block (looked like your picture). Out of all the AK's I owned at the time, it was the most accurate. Funny that the canted sight (other than being a cosmetic nuisance) didn't impact the functionality of the rifle.

>>33203385

Like a PTR-32? Great guns... if you can find one.

>>33211352
My AK has a slightly canted rear sight, and shoots like a champ, accurate as fuck. I also paid $500 for it.
I understand that if it can be zeroed it's in-spec. However that pic is pretty bad, and there are worse Arsenals out there. I remember seeing a pic of one field-stripped where you could see light between the RSB and receiver.
It's just not acceptable at that pricepoint.

>>33211541
I seriously cannot fathom how someone can argue that it is, and yet people do for whatever reason.