Prove to me the L85A2 is A Bad gun.

>>33197092
It looks dumb.

>>33197092
I never had a problem with it, I don't get where the bad press comes from.

>>33197099
So does A TEC-9.

>>33197092
It's not, it's just a tad bit heavy.

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>>33197092
I miss mine.

I've fired a few different rifles and It's the only rifle i miss shooting.

It isn't, but the A1 was.

>>33197092
>Left handed? Go fuck yourself!

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muh dick

>>33197092
Discourages 10% of your country population from joining the military, while those that join anyways will be worse at using it than the rest.

>>33197920

>implying being a gun enthusiast makes that much of a difference in combat effectiveness

>>33197939
I think you missed the point Anon.

>>33197092
L85A1 a shit but A2 is gud.

>>33197167

>donkey dick

>>33197092
i know i'd love to own one.

>>33197131
The TEC-9 is a bad gun.

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On to the A3 now boys.

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>>33197994
You're missing the best part anon

>>33197092
The only people I have heard complain about it have had no actual experience with it.

>>33197100
The bad press comes from the A1 you dolt

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Fixed it for you, OP.

>>33197092

Everything it does, the AUG does better (including look decent).

>>33198043
Yes but the A2 isn't the A1, but yet the A2 still gets stick on /k/.

It's almost as if /k/ can't tell the difference.

>domestic version NEVER

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>>33198054
Fixed it for you

>>33198067
Overcumbersome P.O.S

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>>33198091
Fixed it for you

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>>33198091
How about this?
>>33198127

>>33198143
kek

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>operator approved

>>33198182
Yeah but it's not /k/ approved, therefore it is no good

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>>33198182
operator and queen approved

>>33198204
Because /k/ can't buy one, if it was purchasable /k/ would be all over this sexy bit of metal.

>>33197939
It really does though.

At least in the US army, if you aren't infantry typical marksman skill is garbage. Gun enthusiasts in the army means they shoot in their free time and usually care about individual skills and squad based tactics rather than doing only their applied mos.
I never noticed the difference until I went from a combat mos to supporting a bunch of pogs.

>tl;dr it makes a difference

>>33198222
Exactly

>>33198054
Now the barrel's shorter.

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>>33197092

>>33198073
It doesn't come in kitchen utensil size.

>>33198012
/thread

>>33198592
>A2
That's an A1 you mong

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>>33198054
>>33198091
Fixed it for both of you twats.

>>33197092
Heavy and has shit ergonomics. It's straight up worse than an AR-15 in every way.

>>33197167
>t. britbong

aka never fired a rifle except for his military cervix

>>33199659
>20' barrel for 34'OAL
>doesn't jam.
Yes, worse in every way.

>>33199828
Yeah no shit I'm a britbong, I've hunted since i was young I own shotguns and often go fox hunting with .22.

Thanks for the (you) though.

>>33198284

Nice anecdotal evidence there fag. I've got an opinion too, it's that you're a fag, fag.

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>>33199951
>>33197167
I'll just add now before i get anymore le ebin no gunz memes that i was an armourer in the Army.

pic related

>>33199882
>AR jamming meme
Go back to /akg/

>>33197100
The A1 was so shit that it ruined the reputation of the L85 forever.

>>33199951

what are you allowed to own in england besides shotguns and .22?

>>33197092
a2 is not nearly as bad as a1 but firing left handed doesn't work

So these can't be purchased in the USA? They look kinda cool

>>33201003

I believe you can own bolt actions and "straight pull" versions of semiauto rifles in centerfire cartridges.

>>33198026
doesn't Daniel Defense have a contract to make the forend/rail for that?

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>>33201898
No.

>>33201003
Revolvers in whatever caliber you like with fuckhuge barrels and a "counterweight" on the end to make it meet the minimum OAL requirement to be considered a "rifle."

>>33202385

doesn't that make it a little uncomfortable to shoot?

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>>33197939
>implying being a gun enthusiast makes that much of a difference in combat effectiveness
>be bong
>be into guns since childhood
>favourite book at about age 11 was 'Cartridges of the World'
>started shooting at 13
>had my own funs at 16
>be in infantry for a while
>actually had interest in learning to shoot properly, practicing it, learning everything I can about rifle shooting
>most people don't give a single fuck
>they can't shoot for shit
>I can shoot pretty good
>be on Bn shooting team
>team mostly made up of the sniper platoon
>they love guns and shooting
>some of them are exceptionally good, they're also some of the most skilled soldiers in the Bn
Taking a genuine interest in your field of work absolutely translates into results.

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>>33200926
>AR fanboys

>>33200210
Look at 'you', you lanky Casper-looking motherfucker, you. If I had to imagine what whiny British infantry would look like, they'd have your body and Nigel Thornberry's face.

>>33202412
uncomfortable.. for you

>>33198054
Oh man that pic is ancient.

>>33199251
My little armalite!~~

>>33199882
>>33200926
It is said the AR doesn't jam, and that the L85 isn't actually shit.
I wonder how would they do against each other on a reliability test these days.

>>33200033
Don't be a fucking faggot

>>33197092
it jams when it comes in contact to a spec of dust.

>>33200210
How did you find it? I was thinking of going RAF armourer myself, get to work on weapons plus a little bomb disposal apparently.

>>33202895
Armourer not infantry, this body blessed by god himself was inter corps cross country champion. Yes that's right motherfucker 6'2" brickhouse could run marathons before your mother could get up to wipe your arse in the morning. My calves were rocks harder then your cock has ever been. I had to turn down girls because i was too busy fingerbanging a rifle barrel.

No but seriously my body was desired.

>>33203455
Armouries are stocked full of stuff, whenever a stash gets cleared it goes straight to the armoury first.

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>>33197092
it's not

>>33197092
its an embarrassment to the brits and its always funny watching them crawl out of the woodwork to try to defend it

We had the very original (pre - A1) for our Banner tour. The SLRs it replaced were knackered after decades of abuse so it was a welcome change. Until they promptly broke, which caused a lot of dramas.

As far as I know, there were two distinct of the rifle before the A2 was adopted. The original was sent out very late 1986, we had ours for 1987. This was then modified to put a guard over the mag release by units (our armourer did it within about 2 months to every weapon) and then these were made permanent. I believe between that time and Granby something like 80 modifications were made to the weapon to make it "A1", which was then used until the end of the 1990s when A2 was adopted.

Being in the COP we were given M16 in addition to the issued SA80 for 87/88, which had problems all of its own (it was nowhere near as good for hitting locals over the head with). The COP had a rabble of weapons, SLR, SA80, M16, FN-FNC, G3 etc etc.

A2 was miles better but it couldn't shake the reputation of the pre-A1 weapon, which had genuinely dangerous issues. A1 was a load of fixes which were complained about by the RM on Granby because they had shit drills and were desperate to try and be as distinct from the rest of HM Forces as possible.

>>33204261
It literally isn't

>>33204272
USMC on a Belize visit in the mid 90s were convinced that it was made of melted down toys and would break if you looked at it funny. They were livid about it on the point of arrival, which was bizarre. Every conversation would shift to the weapon. I'm not surprised in the slightest that 2 decades later the same fuckwits are on the internet writing paragraphs about their deep, deep hatred of another countries bang stick.

They proved their inherent shitness by moving around the course like old people fuck, coming rank bottom (behind a Panamanian reserve unit) on the exercise and leaving in a huff. A section even got lost, and whoever leads a USMC section (probably a Major General or something) fired a flare into the mouth of a cave in a blind panic.

Even if it was a shit weapon at least the blokes using it weren't.

>>33204318
Holy fuck calm down

>>33204318
USMC even have the slowest ever time on the French Foreign Legion's assault course in Guyana. The legion record is 45min, the USMC times was 7 hours lmfao.

>>33198143
Thats actually pretty fuckin neato. Make it in .308 and it's like a modern Bren

>>33204327
>asshurt americuck can't accept facts

lel

>>33204318
>mid 90s

So not the A2 then you mouthbreather

>>33197092

Different nations have tested it among like a dozen assault rifles, never making it even into the shortlist.

Also, elite units went with C8s.

>>33204894
>Also, elite units went with C8s.
The Royal Marines, Paras, etc all use the SA80 though.

>>33204894

>Elite units went with the C8

For specialised applications or where there is a high chance of them operating alongside/within other NATO (specifically US) units.

>Tested it against other weapons systems

Not sure if the A2 was ever offered for export, so I don't think full international trials ever took place. Production lines had closed down by the time A2 was in service.

>>33204584
Their obsession has continued, to the point where there are thousands of threads across the internet.

>>33204894
When will this meme end?

>According to the IHS Janes article, the L119 was adopted by 43 Commando due to its "reduced ricochet, limited collateral damage" features. This may be a reference to the L119 carbine's ability to reliably cycle special low-velocity, frangible 5.56x45 mm ammunition.
>This requirement is likely due to 43 Commando's specialist role, which includes fielding recapture tactics teams and specialist ship boarding teams, both of which operate in a CQB environment.

http://www.eliteukforces.info/uk-military-news/04032016-43-commando-l119.php

>>33204894
>Also, elite units went with C8s.
kek one unit uses it because it operates on ships

Are Americans really this desperate?

>>33205231
And nuclear sites.

If it were just ships, 43 Cdo would continue only using L22's.

>>33205397
They still use the SA80 to say every member of fleet protection uses the C8 would be incorrect.

>>33205417
That wasn't implied in any way.

>>33197092
>jams

>>33204261
It is even funnier watching people that have never even finger banged it slagging it off.

>>33205815
Clean it correctly then.

>>33198284
>>33202482
The 10% was talking about lefties.

>>33202339
they do

>>33197131
Stfu

>>33197193
why is it so small?

>>33197092
disgusting

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>>33207453
Tankie and pilot carbine