CONCEALED CARRY ADVICE Please /k/, do me a solid and enlighten

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>>33164371
Steer me right, boys.
At first inspection this weapon appears to be a pretty solid choice, but I'm not an expert.

>>33164371
>thoughts on .380
It's generally considered to be inferior to 9x19mm and it's surprisingly expensive to shoot. But, it'll put holes in stuff. I'll give you a bump because I'm also a hardcore James Bond fan (I'm assuming you are) and would love to hear from anyone who owns one.

Why didnt they make a 9mm version?

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>>33164371
>CONCEALED CARRY ADVICE

You shouldn't base your carry gun on how it looks. As mindblowing as a discovery this is to the majority of /k/, a conceal carry gun is a tool you will have to potentially use in a life or death situation.

It's a low capacity .380 pistol and it's 2017. Now, if you wanted to pretend you're James Bond and understand the fact that there's much better options for a defensive handgun but choose it anyways, go for it.

Would not recommend other than a range toy. Plenty of good defensive handgun options that outclass it in capacity, caliber (9x19) and aftermarket such as holsters and sight options.

>>33164614
they did for a while but it was the dumb-ass 9x18 ultra

>I have a diamond hard-on for the aesthetic of the Walther PPK, so naturally the question is: how viable is it for concealed carry purposes?

It's around the same size as a Smith and Wesson J-frame, which is itself a great carry gun. I can't imagine that the PPK would be a bad choice.

>thoughts on .380?

I don't have any numbers for you, but it has had an excellent track record when it comes to high-profile assassinations. I've also heard that a lot of people just stick with FMJs for self-defense in .380 since even expensive hollow points have inconsistent expansion and don't meet the FBI penetration minimums.

>>33164615
Not the PPK guy. That's a P30SK in your pic, right? How does it compare in size with something like a Glock 26?

>>33164753
>That's a P30SK in your pic, right?

Correct. While I do not own a P30SK or any HK for that matter, the P30SK is a bit wider and heavier than the 26. I don't really think this is an issue really and a lot of people report the P30SK being as shootable as a fullsize.

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The CZ-83, like a PPK only less expensive and more reliable.

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>>33164371

Bersa Thunder 380-series pistols are great guns, and inexpensive. Pretty much the closest thing on the market to a current-production PPK

>>33164615
>It's a low capacity .380 pistol and it's 2017.

Which is perfect for people that can't dress like goobers at work

PPK's are heavy.

I know that doesn't seem like a big deal to you right now, but it's something to consider. Try to handle both the Bersa equivalent of the PPK and you'll see what I mean.

I went with a Kahr P9 as my CCW because it fit my hand very well, was light, and cheap.

>>33164371
I'm going to second >>33165006

Get a Bersa Thunder. Cheaper and just as good.

.380 isn't as powerful as 9x19, but with modern loads and good shot placement, it should serve you fine for CC.

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>>33164615
Your lecture was pleasant to read, but you only seemed to make one good point, about the capacity. Could you recommend a few other choices?

>>33164800
Is it really more reliable? The money isn't an issue.

There seems to be a current theme that .380 is not powerful enough, and maybe too expensive.

>>33164371
Thirding >>33165006
Bersas are generally pretty solid and are a good price for the quality. I believe they were either under Walther contract for a long while or just ripped off Walther, either way it means their guns are all there as far as mechanics go. The Bersa 380 is also lighter than a real PPK which you might find nice for CC.

.380 isn't as powerful or flexible as the bigger cartridges, but it's powerful enough to get the job done, especially with modern ammo.

>>33164800
12+1
>>33165006
8+1

>>33165129
Its expensive for being a less powerful round, makes no sense.

IDK if its more reliable, research it and the Bersa if your determined to get that aesthetic.

>>33164371
Carried one for 5 years as back up, solid choice

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>>33164800
Polish P64. Even cheaper and more reliable.

Gotta replace that hammer spring, though.

>>33165129
I carry a beretta 84 (13+1)
I can buy a box of 50 good quality .380 for $18.00
I also own a beretta 92 (15+1)
I can buy a box of 50 good quality 9mm for $15.00
so the price difference isn't that big of a deal
.380 is 9x17mm, 9mm is 9x19mm. A box of good quality .380 is the same power as a box of regular quality 9mm.
like the price, the power difference isn't a big deal

>>33164800
>>33165006

I'll give both of these a hard look.

>>33165466
You might also want to look at >>33165437

P64s are pretty affordable, and fit what you're looking for.

9x18 Makarov is cheaper than .380 and more powerful. Even cheap Russian ammo can get the job done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScHzHz3dItI

>>33165447
I appreciate that clarification.

IMO get a 9mm or up carry gun. Style doesn't equal ballistics.

To geek out get a ppk/s in .22lr and put a can on it.

>>33164419
heavy for caliber. big for caliber. we have the ruger LCP now. if you are going 380 why are you getting it in a 9mm size

It's a single-stack .380 that's heavier than most double-column subcompact 9mms. The big pro is that it's a flat, thin gun -- which should make for easy concealment.

Trigger's pretty shit. Lots of stacking, heavy, and creep once you get into SA. You can do far better if you want a DA/SA design. Or, you know, you can get a striker-fired gun like everybody else (the horror).

Sights are really shit. You get a tiny little nub for a front sight and a tiny rear sight with a very thin notch -- neither is conducive to speed. More modern designs have sights that are significantly easier to acquire. I'm not saying that you need night sights (you don't), but you should have sights that are fast to pick up and easy to get decent hits with.

Really the only reason to choose it is muh aesthetics in this day and age. It made some sense in the 70s, but now not so much. If you're buying a gun because it lets you LARP as James Bond, you're probably not thinking this whole CCW thing through seriously enough.

>>33164753
Don't buy subcompacts.

>>33166053
Whats wrong w SC Glocks?

>>33166070
Subcompacts are awful to shoot, especially if you have larger than small hands. Only buy one if you can't conceal a regular compact handgun for some reason.

>>33164419
Hitler gun of choice and it'll work against any generic shitskin you come up against.
10/10

MAGA!

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>>33166083
What about these doe?

>>33166127
Retarded because those extensions make it almost as long as a regular compact.

Seeing as how sub compact ccw are pretty cheap, would a 380 work for a car gun?

http://abc13.com/news/body-of-missing-st-lukes-nurse-found/1775739/

Hospital I work at shares the parking garage with St Luke's where the nurse went missing from. Past couple weeks, everyone's been looking into getting a gun for their car.

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>>33166167
Its impossible to fully conceal a G19 w/o some printing. Sorry m8 but pic related.

>>33166206
>Living in Houston
>Not owning a firearm

>>33166206
>leaving guns in your car

>>33166220
No, it's not.

>>33166258
Never said I didn't own one. Just looking for a cheap one to keep in the car while I'm at work.

>>33166269
Can't bring firearms into the hospital while I'm working. And people go into my bag all the time for tools and misc stuff.

>>33166269
whats wrong with locking in the glove box?

>>33166348
People can steal your car and now they have a gun. They could also just break open the glove box.

>>33166206
You should talk with the hospital about setting up gun lockers in the security room for you guys.

>>33164614
9mm straight blowback in a compact pistol is a bad idea

>>33166347
>Can't bring firearms into the hospital while I'm working

You can't even conceal carry?

>>33164614
9x19 pressure is too high for a compact blowback, 9x18 Makarov is the strongest you can get in one

>>33166457
Nope.

>>33165006
I'm thinking about the Bersa Thunder in 22.
I want to cc at work. I plan on carrying on my ankle because I have to wear a suit. Think this will be concealable enough?

32 ACP good? It wouldn't be going through any soft cover realistically, I already have a bigger pistol I keep in the car. I'm thinking about a sig p230 over the ppk personally. Anyone have it?

>>33165006
The Bersa Thunder Plus has a double stacked magazine and holds 15+1 .

>>33165006

From an old nam vet gun nut I talked to once, he had this and was selling it. Had no problems with reliability, but said it was way too snappy. He had some pretty big pistols, so I'd say you wanna try it before you buy or use target FMJ loads in it.

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>>33164371
.380 is fine,but for the love of god stay away from the DB380

>buy the Gen 1, jams every other shot
>go home and polish feed ramps
>Now it jams once every two mags
>"o-okay maybe it just needs to be broken in"
>test again with different types of ammo
>mag ejects after every shot
>go home and inspect it
>the fucking mag release broke
>fucking why
>contact DB, they said they'll swap it for a Gen 2 free of charge
>now we're talking
>wait 6 weeks and finally pick up from FFL
>slide gets hung up and stays to the rear after every shot
>mfw

Absolute shit. They supposedly test fired it to make sure it was working too.

>>33165129
The entire purpose of little .380 pistols like that is to get a bare minimum amount of gun possible in a very, very small/light package. If you really like the PPK then by all means get one for yourself.

Also, .380 is enough for self defense with modern technology. Get one of those lehigh xtreme penetrator .380 rounds and you should be good to go.

>>33164371
Avoid metal guns, avoid beavertails, and exposed hammers. Metal is heavy, beavertails dig into you, and exposed hammers get full of dust and lint.

Get a polymer 9mm. Compact or subcompact.

>>33166617
>32 ACP good?

Nope

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>>33165437
Any good/recommended holsters?

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>>33166539
>>33166617
get one of these..

profit?

>>33167339
Whats better, Glock 42 or Glock 43?

>>33167392
>27 w conversion kit
>26
>43

>>33164371

You have gotten a lot of conflicting info. THIS is better, THAT is lighter, THIS is a better caliber, THAT has more capacity.

I fuckng love my Bersa Thunder 380. Fucking won't sell it. Currently carrying Ruger LC9.

Go to the gun shop and play with both, rent them at a range if you can. I can't get over the lc9 for ultimate pocket carry, fucking outstanding. Same capacity, smaller size, lighter, bigger caliber. I wouldn't blame you for wanting a PPK like handgun still, just check both before you decide.

>>33164614
You would need a 2 lbs slide.

>>33167392

43 over the 42. One round capacity difference, size difference negligible.

Ammunition is drastically better for 9mm. You have the industries foremost bullet contruction technology available, at the best price, and universally available unless panic. Not like 380 isn't available normally, but can be worse than 9, bullet selection is way more limited, can go up in price from time to time.

I would rather do a FMJ or a really well proven bonded 380 than a JHP 380... And a proven Bonded JHP 9 more than either.

Then we have a third contender... LC9, smaller lighter, more capacity, 9mm. My fave.

>>33167761


Is there a really well proven bonded JHP 380?

When I still carried my Bersa thunder, I only used FMJ. I live in Michigan and any given day you might go from shorts and t's to fall jacket. I was always thinking a tough fall jacket or any motorcycle gear would fuck up any hollow point 380.

Lots a bike fags round here that like to get drunk, swerve in front of you and act tough and shit like its your problem they slipped a shift and almost got run over. Then there's 4 of them in leathers and you got a 380 loaded with questionable hollow points.

All the more reason to carry a full size and keep a pocket backup

>>33167392
Glock 42 for sure. I have both and the difference in comfort is night and day.

You might as well carry a 26 if you are going to do the 43.

>>33167851
Hollow points are meme and have always been a meme.

The only thing that matters for handgun caliber bullets is penetration.

>>33167339
This is the correct post.

>>33167942
>Hollow points are meme and have always been a meme.

By any chance, are you that wadcutter fag?

I worked too many shifts doing emergency flouroscopic X-ray in downtownmotherfucking Detroit to fall for that horseshit.

People that died after arriving on the emergency OR table died due to bleeding. Bleeding was always most severe in big disgusting hollow point wounds.

If a bullet came out in one piece, the fucker lived every time. Otherwise it was clamp clamp clamp clamp clamp, squeeze da bag, epi, atropine, shock shock, call it nigga.

Penetration and placement TOGETHER, yes. But a bonded JHP is going to be gruesome and penetrating, so you're either trolling or ignorant

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>BTFO

>>33168164

Is it more hideous or inadequate? Fuck outta here with that girlfriend gun

>>33168136
There is ZERO difference in handgun caliber size and lethality, so you can take your bullshit anecdotes somewhere else.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/foghorn/ask-foghorn-22l-for-self-defense/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

>>33168136
/raises hand

What about if there was a clean full caliber hole with an exit wound? Ever get any of those? And how did the patient fare?

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>>33168302
>Does that mean I’ll be swapping out my Wilson Combat 45ACP 1911...

>>33166083
what if i have lil hobbit hands?

>>33164371

have you ever actually shot a w ppk or ppk/s ?

the DA trigger pull is like 20-25lbs -> FACT

the w ppk's are jam central -> FACT
unless you have perfectly matched recoil springs for ammo, forget it, they are feed fail city

recoil is snappy for 25z lump of steel even the bersa's recoil less same design 20z weight

and all the manufacturing issues the past few decades

bottom line - LOOK BUT DON'T BUY

>>33164371
Avoid any S&W models like the plague. It's hard to mess up a blowback pistol, but the .32 models are much better than the .380s, and that's coming from a .380 lover. They are heavy for their size, but very accurate for what they are, and with .32 and a good load (Lehigh XP) they're a viable ccw due to how slim they are and very reliable in my experience; yes an anecdote

If you really want a .380 though, I'd recommend a Bersa thunder or Bersa + or Beretta 83/84, depends on if you want a double stack magazine or not. Try them if you can before deciding, there are lots of good ccws out there, something else might suit you better. Personally carry a Kahr K9 because it suits me well. The weight makes it very comfortable to shoot for such a small pistol.

>>33168378

Full caliber as in .308+? I don't think I've seen one, they'd probably have a fucking terrible exit wound, probably doa most of the time. 7.62x39 is a big fucking mess, I'd rather catch ANY handgun caliber than that.

Handgun through shots tend to be on arms, legs, and if there is no arterial disruption, then outcomes are good normally.

>>33168302

NONE of those stats are split into groups receiving medical care and those that are shot deep in the hood and left to bleed.

Think about it, gang bangers that tend to carry shitty .22 or .25 shoot a motherucker and the witnesses just turn and walk away. Not like EMS is going to rush into a neighborhood nignog shooting scene, especially in Detroit/Baltimore/Chicago. Street justice skews those charts a lot.

Seecamp ultimate deep concealment right or right?

I have to wear adult clothes (button up shirt tucked in) and it's Florida (so no need for suit jacket). How do I conceal a full sized handgun?

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>>33170261
With a tuckable deep concealment holster.

is an hk45c a decent choice as a ccw?

>>33164371
I carried a Sig P230 (very similar guns) with no problem. It conceals easily, and is easy to shoot. Nothing really wrong with .380 if you use good ammo. All handgun cartridges are meh so the whole cartridge argument is pretty just semantics.

It's more important that you have a good quality holster, and become proficient with your firearm.

>>33170336
/k/ doesnt like 45acp

>>33170711
Is there something wrong with that, USAboo McFudd?

>>33165065
But the weight helps immensely with the snappiness of a direct blowback .380. Density isn't a bad thing.

>>33166539
22s don't feed reliably enough for CC

No love for the PPS here?!

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>>33170924
>polymer

>>33167392
Got the 42 first and that thing loved to jam up on any kind of hollow points. Even stove piped a few times.
43 works like a dream after getting rid of factory grease