PX4 Compact Carry deal

>>33160972
>slide mounted controls
>TDA
>weak forward serrations

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viral marketing

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>>33161386
>Beretta
>doing any form of marketing
>ever

Got me there, anon

>>33160972
Picture you used is of older version.

>>33162929
Doubt it. It has NP3 parts, Ameriglo sights and the cerakote grey finish.

>implying the price isn't going to drop in a few months anyway

Also the stock PX4 Compact 9mm can be had for $350 from the same website which is a retardedly good deal.

>muh lucky gunner
>MUH Langdon

Only appeal of this fat gun

>>33160972
You can get a P2000sk for under $600. Why would I want to get something inferior?

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>>33163364
Also the fact that it's objectively a good gun.

>>33163495
>Posting the guy literally paid by Beretta

Woah I just got btfo

>>33163453
These are my thoughts. You can have an HK for cheaper than this gun.

>>33161066
>slide mounted controls
Please illustrate how this is inherently bad.

>TDA
What?

>weak forward serrations
That I'll agree with, but by no means are they unusable.

>>33160972
>625 dollars for a Beretta subcompact shitgun
No

>>33160972
Can you link to the $75 rebate please?

>>33160972
why are you shilling for Whittaker on a Laotian silent film forum?

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>>33163711
I got a notification from an email.
>>33163669
TDA means traditional double action, TDA and DA/SA are interchangeable terms.

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>>33163804
>between March 1st and April 31st
God damn it, I bought my full size in September which was outside the bracket of the last rebate they had (two free magazines).

Thanks for the clarification on TDA. My Px4 was my first handgun and I recently bought a CZ PCR, I love DA/SA.

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>>33163854
>G conversion
>rubber talon grips
>TLR HL
That is a well set up gun anon.

DA/SA is infact the shit. Also, you can order the Ameriglos that come on the Compact Carry by calling Ameriglo. They cost $85 iirc and they're fucking fantastic.

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>>33163897
Thanks my dude. I have been thinking about getting new sights, I'll keep those in mind. My next purchase is going to have to be a holster, I was thinking Bladetech.

I went full meme and put the low-profile decocker wing on the right (I'm a lefty) since I don't use it.

>>33163988
>My next purchase is going to have to be a holster

Bladetech is pretty good. I carry mine in a JM Custom Kydex George holster. It prints too much for my liking and I placed an order for a JM Custom AIWB 2.0 a few hours back so I'm gonna have to wait for another six weeks for a holster.

>I went full meme and put the low-profile decocker wing on the right (I'm a lefty) since I don't use it.

I'm actually considering on doing this or at least relieving the top part of the decocker that I mainly use. As thin as the stealth levers are, I want to try out the stock lever on the left side as I'm right handed.

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And a pic of my Compact Carry with the holster

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>>33163988
sorry, low profile on the left. since, as a lefty, I use the wing on the right side.

>>33164032
>six weeks for a holster
I get that there are wait times for stuff like this, but at that rate just hire another fricken employee.

>try out the stock lever on the left side
It couldn't hurt. The low profile ones are quite difficult to operate for me on my full size.

>>33164118
>but at that rate just hire another fricken employee.

It's because they have a large volume of orders, constantly get new orders in for different holsters with different options and still have to maintain a high level of QC.

One thing I will miss about my Glock 19 is the fact that I can get any holster from them in under a week because they already stock every holster option without having to wait that long.

Forgot to mention, you can drastically reduce the trigger pull weight in both DA and SA by installing the Wilson Combat #12 silicon hammer spring. Ordered two of them the other day.

>>33164245
Yeah, I get it. It's still a bummer, though.

I bookmarked that hammer spring, thanks man.

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>>33160972
>be me with $600.
>go to gander mountain for first pistol.
>because idk better that's why.
>looking around finger fucking hand gats.
>kiddo at counter: lemme show you what us real fags use.
>hands me op's p.o.s.
>fucking kek with this fucking boat in my hand that makes me feel dumber just by holding it.
>"thumb saftey" on top of fucking gun.
>"only $800"
>rofl as I set it on the counter.
>"I'm gonna keep looking around"
>go to gramps on other end of counter.
>end up over paying for an m&p9c by about $150.
>happy to give gramps commission over cowabunga faggot who tried to upsell me an overpriced autism pistol.

Get fucked. Never again.

>>33164438
Excellent story. Thank you for your contribution to this thread, and your country.

>>33164438
God I cringe every single time I read autistic shit like this

>>33164463
>>33164466
Spaghetti defense force in full effect

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>>33164438
>gloats about spending $600 for a fucking M&P9C
>posts more retarded shit
>completely unrelated unfunny picture from either /b/ or /mu/

Nobody thinks you're witty. You just outed yourself to being a dumbfuck, good job.

>>33164526
I'll have you know I fucking love spaghetti.

>>33164527
>implying it was a secret
>"over payed $150" =/= $600
That's ok.

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>>33160972
Not until they address their shit quality control

>>33163988
>Thanks my dude
...Kong?

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>>33163228

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>>33165266
Does not look the same as

>>33165224
Oh boo hoo.

>>33165245
No sir.

>>33165266
>>33165292
The only difference I see is the Talon grip tape.

>>33165266
>>33165292
Lol look at all that waste sight radius with their gay as fuck rounded sides. This gun is such trash fuck off langdon.

>>33165357
>sight radius
That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

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>>33165393
sure thing kiddo

Oh the irony, the first example is more beretta garbage with an equally shitty sight radius

>>33165432
And I still don't understand your point. You do understand there's a hammer behind those sights, right?

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>>33165462
What does that have to do with good design/efficient sight radius? Literally every other modern gun does it right except beretta, they are 20 years behind, every time, and you suck their dick for it.

>>33165517
I really don't understand what you're saying.

And I'll suck the dick of whoever I please, that's none of your business.

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>>33165517
Better example because HK got lazy on the front FSP - still no where near the train wreck of beretta's "modern" designs.

>>33165266
>>33165292
There's different options for the Compact Carry. The one pictured in >>33165266 is the MOD 0 base model. >>33165292 is a MOD 4 with the silver NP3 finish.

https://robarguns.com/pro-shop/product/beretta-px4-compact-carry-pre-order/

original source of pic

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16519-The-PX4-Compact-might-be-my-DA-SA-Glock-19/page146

>>33165529
>And I'll suck the dick of whoever I please, that's none of your business.
Fair enough sorry for being hostile.

Px4 sights waste slide space which could easily have been designed to give a longer sight radius, making shot inherently easier, but no, just like slide mounted controls, smooth as wet fart grip texture, terrible banana triggers, shitty worthless slide serrations and a fucktarded manual of arms they are not on point, they are hipster for nothing but bad reasons and they lack and intuitive combat design choices.

]Beretta is on life support design wise, been that way for years.

>>33165629
I'm curious what the sight radius of something like the FNX vs the Px4 is.

>slide mounted controls
I still haven't had anyone explain to me why this makes the gun inherently bad.

>smooth as wet fart grip texture
I'll agree with you there, that's why I got Talon grips

>terrible banana triggers
Aren't they all banana triggers? I wouldn't call my Px4's trigger terrible.

>worthless slide serrations
sure, they aren't great, but they aren't worthless

>fucktarded manual of arms
What? How so?

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>>33165629
>making shot inherently easier

Which is why I can shoot my PX4 Compact and Glock 19 at 25 yards with no issue. Why is this a concern...?

You also forgot to mention the high bore axis as one of your junk buzzwords to use in an attempt to shittalk a gun you've never shot.

>>33165708
They occupy space on the slide usually reserved for malfunction corrections under duress, you have honestly never heard of someone accidentally decocking their beretta while in a state of duress? You should research more.

>Aren't they all banana triggers? I wouldn't call my Px4's trigger terrible.
Fuck no, most companies are migrating away from slim curved triggers to flatter wider triggers that break at 90 degrees - simple enough reason why they are universally more ergonomic and fit a variety of hands better.

>>33165708
TDA is in my opinion a poor manual of arms for concealed carry compared to everything else, maybe that's my opinion but the vast majority of instructors feel the same.

?>You also forgot to mention the high bore axis as one of your junk buzzwords to use in an attempt to shittalk a gun you've never shot.

Hey good point it's also pointless stupid high bore axis with baby sized sights, way to go back to the 40s beretta.

>you must never have shot one!!!!

Whatever you need to tell yourself pal

>>33165739
>>33165739
>It's good enough why would I need it better?

Retard

>>33163453
>>33163606
Because it's OK to like other things and tell P2000 trigger is ass, the mags are more expensive, some people like the grip better on the px4 and you would still have to spring for sights/trigger for the HK.

I love HK, but preference goes a lot further than superiority on paper

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>>33160972

We're seeing levels of Jewery that shouldn't even be possible.

OP you're either a shill or you're retarded

>>33165224
It's funny that you think it's a quality control issue. What's it like having never handled a gun in person?

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>>33165797
>you have honestly never heard of someone accidentally decocking their beretta while in a state of duress?
And you've never heard of people accidentally engaging the safety on any other handgun? shit happens. Wouldn't having the controls out of the way (but still accessible when needed) be a good thing in this instance?

>migrating away from slim curved triggers to flatter wider triggers that break at 90 degrees
The Px4's trigger is pretty wide. Also >>33165517 and >>33165532 don't have those types of triggers you mentioned, unless those are shit guns too?

>TDA is in my opinion a poor manual of arms for concealed carry
That's just your opinion and bears no weight in anything but what you like.

>the vast majority of instructors feel the same
It isn't an instructors job to tell me what to shoot, it's his job to teach me how to shoot it.

>high bore axis
The rotating barrel negates that.

>you must never have shot one!!!!
>Whatever you need to tell yourself pal
You didn't answer him. How many rounds down range have you put through a Px4?


>>33165935
>preference goes a lot further than superiority
Truer words have never been spoken. Are other guns superior to the Px4? Maybe. But everyone has different tastes and uses. TDA may be superior to one person but inferior to another, just based on their preferences. Does that mean everyone should stop making TDA guns? No, it just means that one person might not get a hammer fired handgun.

There's a reason whenever someone makes a thread of "what handgun should I get as my first?" I always say ignore what everyone else says, go to a range, rent a bunch, then decide from there. All modern, well made handguns will perform as expected, it all just depends on what the end user wants.

>>33166123
Holy shit that post was longer than intended. My bad.

>>33165629
.010" extra sight radius isn't going to help shit and you can't prove that there is any wasted space. You're looking for reasons to bitch, so much so that you would rather them add material to the slide

>>33165797
>you have honestly never heard of someone accidentally decocking their beretta while in a state of duress? You should research more.

No,not really. The only time this happens is when people don't train with that gun in particular and try to apply blanket training techniques to every gun.it started as a training issue and it's only ever been a training issue. It is in fact extremely easy not to actuate the controls even while manipulating the slide very quickly and very forcefully. What is possible and what is likely are two very different things

>>33166123
>And you've never heard of people accidentally engaging the safety on any other handgun?

I have and I actively avoid guns/ mechanically resolve the issue where malfunctions can be induced like that under stress. If you are comfortable that's your choice, I just would be doing a huge disservice if I didn't point that out.

>The Px4's trigger is pretty wide. Also >>33165517 (You) and >>33165532 (You) don't have those types of triggers you mentioned, unless those are shit guns too?

HK triggers are stupid bananas (HK still has some dogmatic design choices too, see? I don't play favorites), the FNX is significantly less con-caved and breaks at 90, I'm not going to post a laundry list of other modern examples, now that I've put the observation in your head you will start to casually observe it.

>TDA stuff
That's fine that you like it, but it's truly dated and less practical and efficient, "works good enough" is not my mantra though.

>The rotating barrel negates that.

It's not a 1:1 exchange dude, also no suppressor for you, huge deal breaker for me.

>You didn't answer him. How many rounds down range have you put through a Px4? I don't know ? 700 ish through the PX4 and a hundred or so through a CX4? Certainly enough to know it's not up to modern standards.

Hey bro, enjoy your gun, but if you want a safe space hug box don't start threads about how awesome your archaic pistol is, because people like me will be here to tell you to fuck off.

>>33165989
You do realize it's not a stock gun right

>>33166264
>I have and I actively avoid guns/ mechanically resolve the issue
I haven't and I've only ever been able to do it intentionally, which wasn't easy. I know my gun.

>also no suppressor for you, huge deal breaker for me.
False

No do explain why you put 700 rounds through a gun you hate oh so much

>>33160972
>>33163320
>>33163988
>>33166123
My first fun was a fullsize Px4 9mm, passed my CHL class with it. Damn fine gun, if it didn't have the dumb fucking slide safety, it could be 10/10.

Sadly had to sell it. Considering purchasing a two-tone with stealth safety wings.

>>33166324
>No do explain why you put 700 rounds through a gun you hate oh so much
I have multiple friends/associates who have owned/own one over the years and I'm an avid shooter who goes through around 2,000 rounds personally a month (more if I can afford to)? Not hard to imagine I've dropped a few hundred rounds out of a friends gun here and there over the years to feel out the differences, right?

>False

Semantics, you know exactly the point I'm making don't be obtuse.

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>>33166324
>>33166471
Also just to nip the "you are full of shit" retort in the bud, here's my Feb ammo expenses, granted it's a little high because the weather has been improving.

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Being a new owner of a PX4, it's actually pretty funny how much butthurt it generates despite it being a pretty good gun. This isn't even exclusive to /k/

>>33167010
It's mostly because out of no where you guys have been talking about this gun like it's the second coming.

No one has yet been able to articulate what separates it from the pack, just snide a condescending hipster attitude, so maybe what you're experiencing is peer rejection and has nothing to do with your (dated) hardware choice.

>>33165357
Ok, you lost me. Also, I'm not Langdon.

>>33167138
See:
>>33165432
>>33165517
>>33165532

You have all this "slide real estate" and the sight radius is set well inside it for no other reason than shit design.

Might not be a big deal to you, but this is a modern pistol and that kind of sight radius is laughably 90's. Many of us nit pick, because all those little nit picks add up to the difference between an original 50's gov't model 1911 and a STI 2011

>>33165539
My mistake. When I saw the first pic in the thread it just look like a standard PX4 to me.
The PX4 series didn't really appeal to me when they first came out, but now that I'm working at a gun store and have been handling one regularly it has grown on me. There are several OTHER guns I'm wanting to get though so it may be some time before I actually buy one.

>>33167055
He said, "pretty good gun" and you respond that they are acting like it is the "second coming". Seriously?

>>33167478

I'm not sure why I need to be this explicit but let me just go on record here.

If you start a thread to shill for gun sales people will rail against you and call it out.

My statement was hyperbolic, I concede that, but you are 100% guaranteed to catch flak if you start a thread saying "XZY is pretty good and on sale now, follow this link and buy!"

And rightfully so.

>>33167197
I don't see how they would significantly increase the sight radius without changing the design of the upper ( you mentioned 'real estate's), but maybe that was what were you saying.

>>33166471
Nothing semantic about putting a can on a rotating barrel. About the only thing that actually makes it an issue is availability of threaded barrels. The "issue" with suppressors working loose was remedied pretty quick

>>33163495

>25 yards

Full of fucking shit.

>>33167633

Maybe I'm misinformed, what's the quick remedy?

Are you lock titing your can? Lol because that's not a remedy.

Not trying to be a dick, what's this quick fix?

>>33167621
>but maybe that was what were you saying.

That's what I'm saying, the slide looks like it was designed USP era - very Iconic yes but long in the tooth

>>33167055
>It's mostly because out of no where you guys have been talking about this gun like it's the second coming.

So people getting excited over a neat gun getting some nice updates is the second coming? It's a rotating barrel polymer DA/SA gun getting some positive press in a sea of striker guns.

>>33167661
Yeah he's stretching it with that round count given that is borderline the mechanical accuracy stretch of most 4" autoloaders, that said he is a pro shooter and also paid by beretta to love their guns.

Kinda like how he has had "no parts failures" too right? Really bro? Not a single small part breakage? Did he just replace springs every 5k rounds to make the statement "technically" true or is this gun 5x more durable than USP?

>>33167570
Or the guy is excited about the gun and knows many of us are as well, because this is a weapons board. You however he made it clear you don't like it, so the flak is mostly you being contentious for the fuck of it as if /k/ is an issue of guns and ammo or recoil where everything is literally a paid add. Go shit up gunblast if that bothers you

>>33167689
I'll accept that, sorry if I'm being harsh.

But seriously don't make a sales pitch OP on /k/ and expect crickets from people with less than thrilling opinions on the platform, in fact OP basically asked to be antagonized, would you expect different from a CANIK pimp thread?

I'm not saying the PX4 is low quality or comparable to a CANIK, I'm saying they both represent arms outside the traditional theatre and if you come in here saying "buy this not that" you should expect to get slapped around, so man up.

>>33167712
Regular scheduled maintenance does in fact prevent failures. That's why you change your oil and brake pads before you lock up the engine or drive into a tree. There's nothing technical about it. Running shit into the ground to see if it breaks is like batoning a knife to prove its good for carving a tent stake

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>>33167055
>just snide a condescending hipster attitude

Yeah, I've seen that coming from a couple people about the Px4, and it certainly wasn't from the people who own Px4s.

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>>33167735
OP here. I'm not even anyone you're replying to.

CTRL+F'ing my (You)'s, the only person I insulted was >>33164438

All I did was post this thread, have a chat with the guy with a fullsize PX4 and explained the difference between the different upgrade models. Why is everyone so angry??

>>33167735
Now you're being a contentious fuck, I've articulated my position clearly and now you're being facile, ignoring the initial qualities and tone from the actual OP - the initial OP is what geared up a proactive counter stance because the OP is basically an infomercial - does it not read like that to you? are you the OP?. You just want to personally attack me now, maybe you feel personally insulted because I'm not a fan of the hardware you are emotionally invested in, I don't know.

Either way it's irrelevant, my points stand, /k/ is now free to make up their own mind. See you in the next thread anon.

And yeah if I'm being perfectly honest, the gun is dated and a bad investment for a modern, forward looking trainer/shooter.

If you are buying it to shoot 590 rounds out of and leave in your truck that's fine. Just a big no-no recommend for new buyers who might be serious about training, drilling and classes.

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>>33167570
Well, thanks for explaining. Honestly, I haven't read the entire thread, I just off work, my medications worn off, and before that I was taking care of my infant daughter all day.

So I'm kind of....

>>33167794
Yeah right I've seen your all's hipster shit here the past few months it's pathetic

>>33167778
Deleted my previous because it was a pure tangent, here's the critical thing: He claims no failures in 50k rounds - the average user will not experience this because it's not reasonable.

He mostly likely had total perishable parts overhauls every (x) so rounds designated by beretta.

Well guess what? When I shoot my beretta or whatever gun I don't get free trips to the factory for parts that haven't failed yet.

This is an extremely dishonest statement, small springs and wear and tear parts will easily begin to go 10k-20k rounds and lowly old civilian me will get no pro-bono 100% free parts turn over like him. Fucking HKs have roughly 5 parts break every 100k rounds.

Fucking Gen 4 glocks crack the slides in 20k rounds if the recoil spring isn't carefully observed.

Are you suggesting his statement is factual and this gun is literally infinitely more durable and reliable than a glock or HK?


So it's just a fucking add, get it?

Also here's the wild tangent post I deleted, it's quite a rant, not sure where I was going.

>>33167778
You are trying to cover your own non-shooting ass and have no real understanding of maintenance cycles, I can assure you I am a lot more familiar with maintenance cycles than you, here's my feb ammo expenditure,.
>>33166621 (You)


And people like you are why qualified experienced individuals don't post here, you rail against real info with childish emotionally invested fervor, it's tiring. So yeah, his claim is crap because it's dishonest (parts were either prematurely swapped at berettas expense or he's omitting failures), and if you were aware of my initial comment's intent that would be readily apparent, but you're emotionally invested in defending this product because you have not had enough experience with hardware over the years to compartmentalize the data and be objective.

I'm done, have fun in your circle jerk.


Sorry for grammar, spelling, structure and every other glaring issue in this post, PEACE OUT

>>33168012
>I'm done, have fun in your circle jerk.

Which is why you edited your post saying this ten minutes after you posted. This is pretty embarrassing and you seem to be really emotionally invested on a forum on /k/ of all things.

Take a chill pill noguns

>>33168043
Dude I stated that I reposted my deleted post that was a tangent rant - that was the conclusion of it, I'm just being honest for posterity's sake, take it how you want famalam.

Better yet refute my points not my personality

I honestly do not like the PX4 at all. Slide controls are bad, It doesn't fit my hand well, and I do not like the overall aesthetic of the gun. The trigger is also mushy feeling.

>>33168043
And, if you don't mind, since we are playing the "call out a specific statement and ignore the rest of someones post" game...


Can you clarify this?

>Are you suggesting his statement is factual and this gun is literally infinitely more durable and reliable than a glock or HK?

Do you believe he ran that gun 50k rounds straight as his statement implies? Or do you concede that's insane and he's omitted information along the way for marketing purposes?

Be honest famlam.

>>33168179
>you believe he ran that gun 50k rounds straight as his statement implies?

I believe he did because I actually read through his posts on the forum he posted most of this shit in. Pictures and everything.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16519-The-PX4-Compact-might-be-my-DA-SA-Glock-19/page121

I think he's pretty upfront with what went on with his specific gun. But you can cry all you want about how you noticed "shilling" about the PX4 on /k/ recently and how Langdon has affiliations with people who work at Beretta so this is all fabricated lies and bullshit.

>>33168135
You don't like the Px4 because of individual reasons, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Godspeed.

>>33168322
>https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16519-The-PX4-Compact-might-be-my-DA-SA-Glock-19/page121

fuck, I didn't even have to leave the page you linked before he admitted a parts breakage not recorded.

>* did break one part but it did not cause a malfunction or stoppage per the guidelines of the 2,000 testing rules.

Wow word games are fun!!!!

I wonder what other breakages we could find in the previous 100 pages lol

>>33168322
>brakes go out
>e-brake still works
Well see guys no parts failed because the car overall still worked

Does the trigger set back on PX4 in single action?

>>33161410
except they do?

>>33165797
>you have honestly never heard of someone accidentally decocking their beretta while in a state of duress
I honestly have never heard of anyone having this problem. I hear people on /k/ talk about it and it pops up on message boards when people talk about slide mounted safeties, but I have never actually heard of a person actually doing it. Have any sources?

>>33166264
>also no suppressor for you, huge deal breaker for me.
delta force confirmed

>>33167661
>Full of fucking shit.
He's a professional shooter.

>>33168012
>He mostly likely had total perishable parts overhauls every (x) so rounds designated by beretta.
Again, he is a professional shooter. There is a maintenance schedule for all guns. There is an expected period of failure. You should know this of all your guns.

Most people just shoot their guns and change their springs when they start to notice a problem. A professional shooter who depends on their gun to work flawlessly every time will change their springs on a strict schedule.

Doesn't matter if they're a soldier, a bodyguard, a competition shooter, a 3 gunner, etc. If your recoil spring has a 5000 round life span, change it before you hit 5000 rounds.

>>33169283
> a 3.5" bbl with 50,000 rounds down it holds the same MOA as a match grade polygonal CZ75 5" competition bbl NIB.

sure thing pal, where';s the proof again? Oh yeah, the Instagram of the guy paid by Beretta, thee guy also previously shown in this thread to omit or lie for Beretta.

Compelling case you have there.

>>33169299
You make me very angry because you are basically supporting my position of why this is a bullshit "study" while simultaneously telling me I'm wrong, you fan boys are incredulous.

>>33169345
Don't have a stroke.

I just don't have a problem with someone saying "No failures in X" for any gun if it's true.

If R. Lee Ermey posted that about his Glock 19 I wouldn't care.

It's obviously a best case scenario. Most people will not treat their guns like that. I know I don't. My PX4 is 100% so far, but only has like 300 rounds through it. My 92FS has had maybe like 4 failures in 10 years, all when it was time for a recoil spring change. My Glock 26 has had maybe 6 failures in 10 years, probably ammo related. Hell, my 1911 hasn't had a single malfunction in the 2 years I've had it.

If you take care of a gun, it will treat you right. Beretta is a good company. Glock is a good company.

If someone said their Hi-Point went 50,000 rounds, we'd all have reason to be doubtful. But Beretta has a long history of guns that function.

>>33169398
Beretta is a good company but their fucking pistols don't make it 50k rounds without something needing replacing

This threads already proven Ernest bullshitted at least one thing and guaranteed there are far more.

Not even the guy you're talking to but the fucking nuthugging in this thread is ticking me off

>>33169469
I honestly find it troubling that any of you actually believe that what he was saying was "This gun has functioned flawlessly for 51,000 rounds with no maintenance or parts changing."

If I say I've had no failures in 5,000 rounds do you assume that means without cleaning?

When I read his post I did not think he meant there was no maintenance was done. I would assume in 50,000 rounds the gun was cleaned and springs were changed. I would expect the gun to have the same frame, trigger, hammer, slide, barrel, etc.

>>33169557
>Replacing parts before they break is the same as cleaning

Get Langdon's cock out of your mouth kid


So by your and Langdon's definition the only thing that would constitute a total failure of the firearm would be a slide broken in half? Or would you replace that too after so many rounds?

Deluded fucker

And there is no way that gun is grouping better than a fucking match grade cz after 50 thousand rounds like the other anon said. He is so full of Berettas semen and you fags are eating it up.

It's really astonishing to me how I've seen in the past year this gun go from something no one gave two fucks about to every hipster on heres fucking holy grail

>>33169604
Thank god anon, thank you for voicing this, I though t I was going crazy, jesus christ.

>Beretta has a long history of guns that function.

The M9 has had a very short service life compared to other service handguns, having a rather poor reception and reputation even at the outset. Berettas used to be shit on regularly on /k/, and its only in recent years that their products have experienced a revival as an underdog as a new generation makes excuses for them being old.

>>33170159
>The M9 has had a very short service life compared to other service handguns
30 years is short? Are you referring to the individual guns or the time from adoption till replacement. If it the latter, then that is all timing and nothing more. /k/ shits on everything at some time or another, CZs being a great example

>>33168012
>Are you suggesting his statement is factual and this gun is literally infinitely more durable and reliable than a glock or HK?

I'm stating that maintaining/replacing parts before they break does in fact mean that non of the parts have broken, and it's not some brand new design where nobody knows which parts wear out and when.

>>33168525
Yes. I don't know of any sa/da handgun that doesn't do that.

>>33170159
None of what you said is true.

>>33170424
Then you admit langdons posts are a sales pitch and not a reliability report, good. that's what we needed to clear up.

>>33170159
One of the things I've always heard about the 92 was that they're designed to fail and can kb after about 5k rds. Something something taste italian steel.

Regardless I haven't heard that about the PX4.

>>33161066
>slide mounted controls
You can buy a decocker-only ver

>tda
How is this a bad thing

>weak forward serrations
Who even uses those anyway? At least it HAS forward serrations unlike 90% of subcompact guns out there

(it's not a subcompact)

>>33172850
It's funny that they can criticize a gun for having slide mounted controls and weak forward serrations. The only reason to hate on slide mounted controls is that you are retarded and can only cock the gun by grabbing the rear of the slide. If so, why do you even need forward serrations? Your dumbass monkey paw isn't reach that far forward.

>>33171675
Surely you jest. The 92 locking block has a service life of 25,000 rounds. The gun is expected to last 30,000 rounds.

The XM9 trial required a service life for the entire gun of only 5,000 rounds. That is the minimum.

>>33170159
There will be a lot of noise about whatever is widely adopted, because more hands get on it. Especially with a pistol, since only a small percentage of people can even shoot a pistol well.

If you distributed the worlds greatest and most perfect handgun of all time, the MAGIC SUPER X9, and gave it to the army, you'd hear complaints about it.

In 15 years once the P320 has been widely adopted I guarantee you will hear it's a piece of shit. (Even though its not)

>>33173614
You morons bend over backwards to justify terrible design choices, it's hilarious.


We are all laughing at you.

Regardless of his ties with Beretta, I'd say Langdon still has more credibility than any of the anonymous faggots on 4chan. There is *zero* reason to believe he's lying in that P-F post.

>>33173660
You think you're respected because your gun collection is nothing but 4 "Good Enuf" Glocks?

>>33165532
what is this pistol?

>>33175401
>FNH USA stamped on side
>FN logo on squishy grip
>could only be 1 of 3 pistols made by FN
no clue

>>33170578
Thanks.

P64 does not.

>>33167010
>despite it being a pretty good gun
I was issued a PX4-D, it's honestly pretty good. 10k+ rounds only 2 stoppages, both mag related.

>>33179663
Police?

>>33161410
but beretta has a shit track record of marketing. their mouthbreathing management couldn't market free sex.

seriously only a pack of gibbering retards could fail so completely at selling firearms. how do you make a double stack 9mm with great accuracy (<2" at 25 yards), great triggers, good reliability, and a proven military track record, and still get completely fucked by every other pistol manufacturer out there?

how do you introduce great pistols like the vertec, elite II, 92G-SD, etc only to completely backtrack and make your main product line the same garbage fixed front sight and fat grip garbage you sell the military?

>>33167661
plenty of glocks can hold 3" at 25 yards if the shooter is good.

My friend bought that gun before gun companies left commiefornia. He said that it was worth every penny vut i told him its an italian version of a high point. Whats /k/ opinion on it?

>>33180682
it's ok
trigger has a lot of potential, the size and form factor are not bad, the accuracy is quite good for a polymer frame gun, mag capacity is on par with competitors, requires more frequent lubrication than many polymer frame competitors due to rotation barrel design.

>>33180682
You're an idiot. PX4 is good to go.

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>>33180672
>plenty of glocks can hold 3" at 25 yards if the shooter is good.

Are handguns this huge mechanical mystery to /k/?

Everyone seems to think they are like 5MOA

Protip, autoloading handguns are generally 8-12" MOA

When I see a 1"-2" 5 shout unsupported group at 25 yards my first thought is "lucky break, kid"

When I see a 4-6" 10 shot group at 25 yards I think, "good shooting, tex"

>>33179663
>PX4-D

How did you like the D variant? I want to try both a C and a D some time.

>>33180530
>Police
Border
>>33181001
D has the shit 10lb police trigger, the C has the constant action 6lb.

The D is very heavy and has long travel, C is probably much better. Trigger on the D cant be tuned easily as it has a magazine disconnect.

The main complaint with my coworkers is entirely related to the weight and travel of the trigger, the other complaint is saltyness about how we weren't issued glocks or M&Ps. No safety or decocker is nice though, just draw and start shooting.

There were some issues with the early runs but they received new spring guide rods and magazines (look for a star).

It's size and weight makes it comfy and easy to wear.

>>33180991
>8-12" MOA
those units don't even make any sense
but anyways if it's a 12 MOA gun that works out to roughly 3" at 25 yards.

anyways in my experience most of the quality steel frame handguns (SIG, Beretta, CZ) out there can do 2" at 25 yards shot off a rest.

>>33165820
Why do you keep bringing up the sight radius as if it's relevant? If your presentation isn't shit you won't see anything but the front sight. If you low down enough to accuracyfag then the rear will show up as a giant blur.

It's literally a non issue and lets everyone know you're a non shooter or have shit form which is why you need to slow down enough to make sure the rear is flat with the front post.

For shitting on people for being shills you're laughably ignorant and are literally just spewing advertising memes for useless shit that justifies the 34/17 over the 19 when in reality it's the recoil impulse not slide radius that gives it competition preferences.

TLDR : You're a noguns faggot.

My first fun was a Beretta Px4 and I finally sold it after well over 5k rounds down range. No one will read this because it isn't folksy, superstitious and retarded, but here are the problems with the Px4:

1. Finish. The Bruniton slide finish is dogshit and with regular use will chip and flake, exposing bare, untreated carbon steel.
2. Magazines. The magazine feedstack has a tendency to bind up around 10-14 rounds, exerting no upward pressure on any rounds above that until the mag is dumped and reloaded. Diligent cleaning of the inner surfaces of the magazine solves this for brass cases, but not for steel cased ammunition.
3. Recoil. This gun has weird as fuck recoil, and while it has very little muzzle rise compared to virtually all its competitors, it has an odd rolling/twisting effect that will detach lights and lasers and cause the gun to feel as though it's wriggling out of your hand. Unless you death grip it, you won't get through a whole mag without adjusting your grip.

It was a good gun, I liked it overall. I'd probably get the Inox F FS model.

>>33182843
Look at this pitiful knee jerk bullshit from a scrub, lol and more of the "it's good enough why do I need better?!?!" attitude lol

Protip, I shoot more a month than you do a year

>>33183006
Wow great reply.

>>33182973
I currently own the .45 Px4

>Finish
Agreed, it feels cheap and I had a bit chip off from dropping it (unloaded) about 2 ft onto the pavement. Wasn't deep enough to get to bare steel though

>Magazine binding
Had this happen to me for the first time last weekend. It was... off putting to say the least

>Recoil impulse
Maybe this is specific to the .45 version, but I actually find it quite plesant and soft shooting, makes it a joy to put a couple hundred rounds downrange. Haven't had any lights or anything on it, so I can't speak for them coming off personally.

Overall it is a fun range toy, and I am glad I bought it, but I question using it for defense.

>>33183057
My reply has more content than your whiny retarded bullshit

Fuck off with your shit garbage gun that no one cares about, enjoy your dated inefficient design and terrible controls faggot

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>>33183057

Me: >>33183006
>>33183151
Here

Did you shoot a FAST yesterday? let's see your score. Are you going to shoot one today?

Thought so faggot.

Deleted my post and re-sent because I had the wrong (You)

>>33182843
I'm not even the same game you were arguing with dumb fuck I was just pointing out your stupid reasoning you shill fag

>>33160972
Why not get an FNS compact for half the price? That shit ain't even ambi and who wants dust/dead skin getting in that exposed hammer?